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Saturday, December 23, 2017

If you were to ask your Republican congressmen or women what exactly was in the tax bill, they would tell you "tax cuts." But what they won't talk about are the other little items they slipped into the legislation. A provision of the tax bill mandates that the federal government hold lease sales in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). This would open the area up to oil drilling and other energy development, something that has not been allowed for over 30 years. Needless to say, while environmentalists are outraged over this, energy industry advocates are thrilled, reports Fortune.com.

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Kristen Miller, who heads the Alaska Wilderness League says "For 30 years, Congress has voted nearly 50 times on whether or not to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge is home to the Porcupine caribou herd, musk oxen, wolves, imperiled polar bears, and nearly 200 species of migratory birds that migrate to six continents and all 50 states"

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Well...at least we'll always have images like that to look at and remember what it was like before "tax reform" and the 2016 election.

Well...until they throttle that sort of traffic because they want to erase their 2016 Destruction Bonanza.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-21 10:00 PM | Reply

Drill Baby Drill...

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2017-12-21 10:05 PM | Reply

Drill Baby Drill...

#2 | Posted by sawdust

Why? Aren't the prices still quite low due to supply gluts? Aren't fracking activities and technological advancements opening up previously closes fields and previously unobtainable reserves?

Oh, that's right. So Susy Q and Jim Bob can wheeze their fat asses into their land yachts and cruise the 2 blocks to the 7/11 to buy their potato chips and diet soda. Because we're gluttons and will stand for nothing standing in our way of consume consume consume.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-21 10:08 PM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2017-12-21 10:00 PM | FLAG: Damn, you just drove away the tree huggers :(

#4 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-12-21 10:59 PM | Reply

If you've ever been to the arctic wildlife refuge, please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.

#5 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-21 11:12 PM | Reply

"#1 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2017-12-21 10:00 PM | FLAG: Damn, you just drove away the tree huggers :("

Portland is the Alaska for tree-huggers...not nearly as tough, and there's plenty of coffee shops and craft breweries...

...ahh ----. I just described Fairbanks.

#6 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-21 11:15 PM | Reply

#5

Should we look at the percentage of Americans who have visited Denali next?

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 11:16 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY MUDERFCKENIDIOT AT 2017-12-21 11:12 PM | FLAG:

What's your point?

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-21 11:19 PM | Reply

If you've ever been to the arctic wildlife refuge, please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.

#5 | Posted by madbomber

Why do you so readily offer yourself up for a digital ass beating?

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-21 11:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you've ever been to the arctic wildlife refuge, please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.

#5 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Not to ANWR, but I did a long tour with the military in Alaska near Fairbanks ... so as far as I'm concerned that's more than good enough to count.

And what bothers me more than letting greedy Big Oil tear up ANWR is the GOP led reconciliation process -- which used to be considered an aberration in how Congress legislated, but now seems to be the (unfortunately dangerous) norm.

Want to eventually rip the country apart by only governing by a minority represented population? Constantly use reconciliation.

Republicans used reconciliation to twice ram the Bush Tax Cuts thru for their rich donors ... now they did it again with Trump's Tax Cuts, with the added caveats of repealing the ACA's individual mandate AND letting greedy Big Oil rape once protected wildife lands.

This is how the country has devolved into how it's governed ...

The party in power will simply cater to solely their base of support instead of being leaders for what's best for the country as a whole -- because Republicans are shameless hypocrites who have long set the precedent of party over country.

Disgraceful and dangerous -- thanks Republicans!

GOP = Greedy Oligarchs Party

#10 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-21 11:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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If you've ever been to the arctic wildlife refuge, please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.

#5 | Posted by madbomber

Let's do the --------- that make up the most powerful portions of the electoral college next.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-22 04:34 PM | Reply

If you've ever been to the arctic wildlife refuge, please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.

#5 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I have never been to your house either. So we should drill there. Or better yet we should just take your house from you and run a pipeline through it and give you 50% of what it is worth.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-22 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh just face facts. The left hates oil, especially 'big oil'. Obama bashed them scores of times and the right was mocked here. The Dr left said we COULD NOT drill our way to oil independence.

Thats a fact that can not be refuted. Anything you say about energy, therefore, is coming from a source proven incorrect. Like who cares about minions with talking points who try to lie about what you are on record saying?!!!

#13 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2017-12-22 08:37 PM | Reply

Obama....

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#14 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2017-12-22 08:39 PM | Reply

This is just one more thing the Repubs are doing to help the poor. They are disproportionately impacted by high energy costs. What do you want them to do go out and buy a Tesla?

#15 | Posted by sawdust at 2017-12-22 08:52 PM | Reply

Lost in the teeth gnashing is that the oil exploration is limited to two leases of 400,000 acres total for exploration, and the surface structure development is limited to 2000 total acres. I have been to the ANWR, it is beautiful and HUGE.

Sounds like a lot, but the ANWR is 19.6 Million acres, so the amount of the ANWR open to exploration is 2% of the total space and the amount of surface structure allowed is .01%.

The leases alone will generate $2B in revenue, 1/2 of which goes to the State and by law 40% of that goes to the Inuit, who support the development. There will also be royalties paid for each barrel extracted, so that number could be in the hundreds of billions of dollars to the Inuit over the life of the leases.

Inuit ANWR Information Brief

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-22 09:12 PM | Reply

Sorry Drudge Nanny, pesky facts kill circle flapping.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-23 12:14 AM | Reply

Rightocenter,

The Inuit ANWR brief you provided was created by a non-profit that has been pushing ANWR development since 1992 called Arctic Power. Or so they say. I would love to see actual information supporting your suggestion that the Inuit support this development.

I have yet to hear anyone chime in with experiences in the oil field. So I will.

It does not matter how you chew it, any oil pad requires more land than it's foot print. If you have a 2000 acres of land and put a exploratory pad in the middle... how are you getting there? The number of trips by tractor trailers to get equipment, tools, water, etc is a LOT. VERY heavy machinery traveling over permafrost... terribly destructive.

But aside from all that, as someone who's actively worked in the oil field as recently as 2015, I can tell you that turning a blind eye to environmental hazards is common place. Spills are under reported or not reported. Blow outs happen, iron breaks and containment pools can leak.

I've worked on rigs in Oklahoma, Arkansas and the plains and mountains of Colorado. I've seen it all, I've even seen the HSE guy responsible for coming out and measuring the water for contamination to make sure it doesn't surpass certain thresholds literally, move down stream from the required spot because levels were too high, to get a better, acceptable sample.

That's my two cents. Now get a better source for your Inuit claim than that non-profit lobbying propaganda pamphlet.

#18 | Posted by handy_man at 2017-12-23 08:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Hey handyman. Nice to have your input. We would love to have been able to introduce you to the "smartest oil rig worker in the world".

Now that would have been an interesting thread.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-23 09:52 AM | Reply

As long as grass grow, wind blow, and the sky is blue.

#20 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-12-23 11:05 PM | Reply

I spent most of a month in ANWR several years ago. Most of what those in favor of drilling say is complete BS. Only a small part is opened to drilling but that's the part that matters most to wildlife. This will destroy the Porcupine caribou herd. Drilling is so expensive there it will require massive taxpayer subsidies in a time of cheap oil. And the only hole ever drilled in ANWR was a dry hole. More R BS. Unless you've been there and watched a big white wolf walk by in front of your camp you don't have any right to scream "drill baby drill."

#21 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2017-12-24 11:59 AM | Reply

So . . . . is this Tillerson's consolation prize?

#22 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-24 04:07 PM | Reply

#19 Handy Man has been here for five years apparently. So he's probably aware of Goatman. Who worked on a rig as an IT guy. Wouldn't call him an oil rig guy, let alone the smartest.

But he sure could twist logic to pass the time.

#23 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-12-24 04:33 PM | Reply

21 drilling in anwr is very expensive and that in itself will extremely limit production.
I think the next 'big thing' will be Venezuela when they go bankrupt..... from years of socialist mis management!!

Rumors are mudora is trying to give up and get with all the $$$ he can. I hope he enjoys Cuba!!

#24 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2017-12-24 05:46 PM | Reply

"The leases alone will generate $2B in revenue, 1/2 of which goes to the State and by law 40% of that goes to the Inuit, who support the development."

This was advertised as a middle class tax cut. What does Exxon (or whoever) drilling for oil in ANWR have to do with a tax cut for the middle class?

How much will drilling for oil in Alaska add to the paychecks of the middle class in the rest of America?

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-24 06:23 PM | Reply

But he sure could twist logic to pass the time.

#23 | POSTED BY BRUCEAZ

True. My favorite Goatman logic pretzel was that we were hypocrites to discuss how to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and specifically oil because we were still dependent on using oil and fossil fuels.

Good times.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-24 06:43 PM | Reply

"Unless you've been there and watched a big white wolf walk by in front of your camp you don't have any right to scream "drill baby drill."

So you'd also agree that unless you've watched that same white wolf walk by, you have no right to scream "no drilling!"

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-24 06:48 PM | Reply

"How much will drilling for oil in Alaska add to the paychecks of the middle class in the rest of America?"

Is it important?

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-24 06:52 PM | Reply

How much will drilling for oil in Alaska add to the paychecks of the middle class in the rest of America?

#25 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2017-12-24 06:23 PM | FLAG: The more crude on the market, the lower the price of gasoline and diesel which is a positive for middle America and even more-so the lower class.

#29 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-12-24 08:02 PM | Reply

29 don't even try to reason economics of supply and demand with the Dr left. They are on record here taunting the rights call for drilling. Now they act like fracking was their sides idea.

#30 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2017-12-24 08:58 PM | Reply

When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money...

Look, I was part of the problem when I worked for Halliburton. My contribution to the problem was the main reason I left the oilfield. As a father of two children I struggled with the moral implications, not at first because I was trying to make run for big money. But every hitch exposed more of the reality that HSE is something taught but not practiced when it came down to money on the line. Personal safety was already a liability that was compounded by the environmental disregard I saw firsthand.

The oilfield as an industry would LOVE less regulation. They would love less OSHA involvement. They do the song and dance because it's required but when push comes to shove they'll ask you to do things that violate all kinds of laws, regulations, etc to get the job done. And they know you'll do it because of you don't the next guy will and you won't get that raise or promotion or training to move up. It's a good ole boy network with a don't ask don't tell mindset and approach to health, safety and the environment. It's all about the mighty dollar. Period.

I wouldn't trust them to be good stewards of a junk yard let alone pristine untouched wilderness the likes of which most will never see. Anyone who says otherwise prioritizes money over everything.

The juice isn't worth the squeeze for oil any longer. We should be investing in the future, renewable energy, R&D...

End rant.

#31 | Posted by handy_man at 2017-12-25 02:05 AM | Reply

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