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Friday, December 22, 2017

"Calling this thing a win because Republicans finally got something done is like saying the captain of the Titanic won when he successfully found that reclusive iceberg," said Jesse Ferguson, the former director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee's independent expenditure arm. 1. Most folks who pay lower taxes will not save enough to care. Democratic pollster Geoff Garin of Hart Research replied that 80 percent of taxpayers will see an increase of less than 2 percent in their after-tax income, and it is not until you get to the 95th percentile that the after-tax income benefits are much greater. "There is no history of voters being grateful for tax cuts that small," he said.

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Barack Obama found that out the hard way in 2009 when he slashed the payroll tax as part of the stimulus package. This saved the average worker nearly $700 annually during the Great Recession, but the president saw no political benefit from it.

A CBS News-New York Times poll from 2010 that found just 12 percent of voters realized Obama had cut their taxes. "Twice as many thought, incorrectly, that Obama had raised them," Dave Weigel notes in a fresh story. ...

Trump is an ineffective messenger.

Not only does he have historically low, Bush-after-Katrina approval numbers, and stands to save millions a year from his own bill, but he's notoriously undisciplined and struggles to stay on script.

Following the advice of their pollsters, for example, congressional Republicans have bent over backward to say that this bill is really a middle-class tax cut.

But then at the White House yesterday, Trump boasted about the corporate rate going from 35 percent to 21 percent. He said: "That's probably the biggest factor in this plan."

This is an accurate statement, but it's a losing message.

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4. Congressional leaders aren't good pitchmen either. "If we can't sell this to the American people, we ought to go into another line of work," Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in the wee hours of yesterday morning.

"The idea that Republicans are going to be able to change the public's mind on the tax bill is ridiculous," replied Shripal Shah, the vice president of the Democratic super PAC American Bridge.

"The cake is already baked ... Mitch McConnell is one of the most unpopular politicians in America. On what planet does anyone think trotting him out there to try and sell this thing is a good idea? ... While Republicans may be able to make some minimal gains in the margins, you have to be crazy to think that you can change the mind of 30 percent of the electorate."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-21 01:23 PM | Reply

"Voters don't just think the bill benefits the wealthy. They think it benefits the wealthy at their expense."

That's only because it benefits the wealthy at their expense.

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

That's only because it benefits the wealthy at their expense.

#2 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Based on a discussion between Gavster and 726 on another thread, your statement appears to be false.

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#3

Based on the facts, most people will feel no benefit at all until 6 mos after the 2018 mid-terms, and even then they won't credit the GOP with such a small cut, especially when the top 5 percent and the corporations got significant cuts.

Ask Obama how much credit he got for the avg $700 cuts he managed. Rwingers STILL think that never happened, lmao.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-21 02:18 PM | Reply

Ask Obama how much credit he got for the avg $700 cuts he managed. Rwingers STILL think that never happened, lmao.

#4 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2017-12-21 02:18 PM

You mean when he made the Bush tax cuts permanent for everyone but the top bracket because they were about to expire after the 10 year period, like the cuts in the current bill?

Those cuts happened, but the Arm Flapping Left conveniently ignores where those cuts originated and how loudly they screamed about them and how they were a give away to the wealthy (and the fact that they would expire in 10 years) back in 2003.

Sound familiar?

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-21 02:22 PM | Reply

#5

Distinctions without differences... lawyers are usually really good at those, if nothing else.

The point is still the same; the GOP won't change the minds of the 30 percent they would have to change to get any advantage.

But hey, you got to talk about your boy GW, so there's that.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-21 02:27 PM | Reply

The way the law treats high tax areas with high property values, Trump is going to lose a lot of votes in New York and California.

#7 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-12-21 06:41 PM | Reply

"Based on a discussion between Gavster and 726 on another thread, your statement appears to be false."

Math says otherwise.

The vast majority of this tax cut goes to the wealthiest 5%. After 2025, the richest 1% get over 82%.

And "tax cut" is a misnomer: it's 100% deficit financed, so we're literally borrowing an extra $2.1 Trillion to give $1.6 Trillion to the wealthiest 1%.

And if you believe the wealthiest 1% will be paying back 82% of the $2.1 Trillion extra we're borrowing, I've got a bridge to sell you.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

And if you believe the wealthiest 1% will be paying back 82% of the $2.1 Trillion extra we're borrowing... you might be a libertarian.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-21 11:10 PM | Reply


@#8 ... And "tax cut" is a misnomer: it's 100% deficit financed, so we're literally borrowing an extra $2.1 Trillion to give $1.6 Trillion to the wealthiest 1%. ...

You really have to stop using facts to substantiate your viewpoint. ;)

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-22 01:41 PM | Reply

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The way the law treats high tax areas with high property values, Trump is going to lose a lot of votes in New York and California.
#7 | Posted by visitor_

I live in blue state NJ in a republican congressional district. the republican representative will likely lose in 2018. So there is that. but yeah, keep thinking you're winning, its funny

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-22 02:06 PM | Reply

The way the law treats high tax areas with high property values, Trump is going to lose a lot of votes in New York and California.

#7 | Posted by visitor_

Translation - repubs have done a great job of insulating themselves from consequences from the people they're screwing.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-22 02:16 PM | Reply

Here is an article from MarketWatch where at the end of the article is a 'basic' tax calculator where you can fill in your own numbers and get a general idea how you fare under the new tax system - we care out ahead and hope you do too. www.marketwatch.com

#13 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-12-22 05:22 PM | Reply

Here is an article from MarketWatch where at the end of the article is a 'basic' tax calculator where you can fill in your own numbers and get a general idea how you fare under the new tax system - we care out ahead and hope you do too. www.marketwatch.com

#13 | Posted by MSgt

Sure what a great way to get only part of the picture.

When the tax cuts explode the deficit, does your little calculator include how much your social security and medicare benefits will be slashed by?

When they cause health care costs to rise, does it include those costs?

What price does it put on the lives of people who lose their health care entirely?

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-22 05:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#14 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-12-22 05:27 PM | FLAG: Wow guy, if it angers you that much HIGHLY recommend that YOU DO NOT use that basic calculator as I'd hate for you to blow a fuse ;)

#15 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-12-23 01:01 AM | Reply

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