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Friday, December 22, 2017

The United Nations voted overwhelmingly to condemn President Donald Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel despite threats from the US to pull funding from the world body. Some 128 countries voted for the resolution, while only 9 voted "no," and 35 nations abstained, including Canada and Australia. The vote came after US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley issued a direct threat to the UN saying that the US will think twice about funding the world body if it voted to condemn Trump's decision. "The United States will remember this day in which it was singled out for attack in this assembly," Haley said. "We will remember it when we are called upon to once again make the world's largest contribution" to the UN and when other member nations ask Washington "to pay even more and to use our influence for their benefit."

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Haley's remarks followed a threat from Trump himself, who mentioned the UN vote at a Wednesday Cabinet meeting. "We're watching those votes," the President said. "Let them vote against us, we'll save a lot. We don't care."

Few countries seemed cowed, with nation after nation blasted the US at an emergency session of the General Assembly, condemning the Jerusalem decision as illegal, destabilizing, and a violation of international law leaving Washington largely isolated.

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www.haaretz.com In Blow to Trump and Netanyahu, UN Rejects U.S. Recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's Capital
An overwhelming majority of 128 member states voted in favor of the resolution, with only 9 voting against and 35 abstaining
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.830498

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-21 01:22 PM | Reply


Is Pres Trump really so clueless that he would try to bully the UN into doing his bidding?

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-21 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#2

Did you really not know the answer?

#3 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-12-21 02:45 PM | Reply

Nikki Haley lit up the UN.

You can watch it here:

www.youtube.com

It was great.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 02:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#4 It's great to say one thing and do another? No thank you GOP.

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-21 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 It's great to say one thing and do another? No thank you GOP.

#5 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Which is exactly whats been going on, on the Jerusalem issue since the mid 90's

#6 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-12-21 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cut off the money!

#7 | Posted by patron at 2017-12-21 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Canada abstains from UN vote to condemn the -------------------'s Jerusalem decision.

news.vice.com

#8 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2017-12-21 04:24 PM | Reply

Nikki Haley lit up the UN.

You can watch it here:

www.youtube.com

It was great.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

She needs to shut up. The UN Body made the Nation State of Israel. They should be the only body who has a say where things are put in Israel. America needs to stop being arrogant folks.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Cut off the money!

#7 | Posted by patron

Do it!

We don't need no stinkin allies.

MAGA!

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-21 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Since Israel and the US are both sovereign nations they decide where to place our embassy, not the UN.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 06:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

Since Israel and the US are both sovereign nations they decide where to place our embassy, not the UN.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 06:12 PM | Reply

Obviously you have no clue about Israel and Palestinian rights to the city. Obviously you think American Arrogance trumps their right to be a neutral city. It doesn't belong to Israel alone.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It was great."

It was disgusting.

So, now we threaten countries who disagree with our policies?

#13 | Posted by Angrydad at 2017-12-21 06:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Threaten? I didn't see a threat there. She was stating the obvious. The US funds a vast majority of the UN. She was calling out BS and did so quite effectively.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 3

So, now we threaten countries who disagree with our policies?

Posted by Angrydad at 2017-12-21 06:25 PM | Reply

It's Jeff. He's a conservative what do you expect??? A glitter bath???

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 06:28 PM | Reply

Threaten? I didn't see a threat there. She was stating the obvious. The US funds a vast majority of the UN. She was calling out BS and did so quite effectively.
#14 | Posted by JeffJ

She sounds like a spoiled brat who is going to take her ball home if the other kids don't stop making fun of her.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-21 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Threaten? I didn't see a threat there. She was stating the obvious. The US funds a vast majority of the UN. She was calling out BS and did so quite effectively.

#14 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-12-21 06:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

The entire world did. Either they're wrong or you are

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-21 06:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I respectfully disagree, guys. The last thing I want to see is our ambassador groveling to an institution that we mostly fund, especially over where we choose to place an embassy. I thought she was a breath of fresh air. Also, her threat was that the US may consider being less generous in the future. So the free money might not flow quite so freely? That is a pathetic thing to gripe about.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 06:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

I respectfully disagree, guys. The last thing I want to see is our ambassador groveling to an institution that we mostly fund, especially over where we choose to place an embassy. I thought she was a breath of fresh air. Also, her threat was that the US may consider being less generous in the future. So the free money might not flow quite so freely? That is a pathetic thing to gripe about.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag

You're forgetting one key thing. At the UN General assembly we are supposed to be all equal. One country one vote so if Amb Haley has a problem with that she can resign. America needs to get off of its high horse for a change. We're way too arrogant for our own good.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 06:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The woman made a threat. Sheesh.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-21 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's with this Trumpite don't believe your own lying eyes BS?

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-21 07:00 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by JeffJ

She said, point blank, that the countries that voted against the US "disrespected" us. She's full of ----.

#22 | Posted by Angrydad at 2017-12-21 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We're Trump is way too arrogant for our own good.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-21 07:22 PM | Reply

That is a pathetic thing to gripe about.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ

What is pathetic is we would threaten to withdraw our funds from the UN and retaliate against any country that does not do what Trump wants.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-21 07:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Sometimes I think people like JeffJ must not understand what it means that FDR created the UN with the purpose of advancing US foreign policy goals.

Because he seems to think other countries should be the ones to pay for that.

For a "Never Trump" guy he sure supports everything Trump is doing... I guess that's the joke!

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-21 07:46 PM | Reply

NEver Trump pertained to the election. Now that he's president I judge based on results. If he managed to cajole congress to pass single payer would you be opposed because Trump? Probably not. By the same token should I knee jerk oppose everything he does, no matter what?

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 07:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So in 2020 you'll be on the Trump Train.
"Never Trump" was just a phase you were going through, like a teenager.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-21 08:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The US funds a vast majority of the UN. She was calling out BS and did so quite effectively.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ

I'll watch the video later (at work), but I'm predicting it's just Republican 'take my ball and go home' whining because they did something immensely stupid.

Am I right?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-21 10:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The last thing I want to see is our ambassador groveling to an institution that we mostly fund, especially over where we choose to place an embassy.

This is just stupid 'Murica! nonsense.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-21 10:05 PM | Reply

#26

Oppose everything, yes. The man is corrupt.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-21 10:08 PM | Reply

#29. JPW

So, are you cool with the UN dictating the location of our embassies? If so, what other sovereign decisions are you willing to cede?

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 10:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

So, are you cool with the UN dictating the location of our embassies? If so, what other sovereign decisions are you willing to cede?

#31 | Posted by JeffJ

Were you fanning your face breathlessly as you posted this?

It's nonbinding. It was the rest of the world wrapping the US on the forehead and saying "hello, McFly!".

And our dumbass "leaders" react exactly the worst way possible; as petulant children who don't think they should ever be questioned for critiqued.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-21 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#31

Come on, JEFF. What happened at the UN was a dick move.

More than that, let's find out if Trump's a Russian before the Right carps about sovereignty.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-21 10:21 PM | Reply

So, are you cool with the UN dictating the location of our embassies? If so, what other sovereign decisions are you willing to cede?

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you understood the Israeli issue you wouldn't ask stupid questions.

#34 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 10:27 PM | Reply

Were you fanning your face breathlessly as you posted this?
It's nonbinding. It was the rest of the world wrapping the US on the forehead and saying "hello, McFly!".
And our dumbass "leaders" react exactly the worst way possible; as petulant children who don't think they should ever be questioned for critiqued.

#32 | POSTED BY JPW

Yet, your beef seems to be that Nikki Haley had the temerity to challenge petulant children who you seem to suggest should never be questioned. Basically - it's awesome for other UN ambassadors to rip the US - as long as POTUS is an (R) of course - but any kind of pushback against this is absolutely horrible. If that is an inaccurate summation of your position, some clarification would be greatly appreciated.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 10:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

your beef seems to be that Nikki Haley had the temerity to challenge petulant children who you seem to suggest should never be questioned.

The only petulant children are Trump, Haley, and anyone else who thinks it's a good idea for us to move our embassy to Jerusalem and acknowledge it as the capital of Israel.

But hey. You're a diehard republican. So anything your boy Donnie Drumpsterfire does is A-Okay in your book.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-21 11:06 PM | Reply

How is Jeff so incredibly ignorant of what Jerusalem represents to the religious world?

I'm hardly religious and I understand why it's a stupid idea.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-21 11:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The only petulant children are Trump, Haley, and anyone else who thinks it's a good idea for us to move our embassy to Jerusalem and acknowledge it as the capital of Israel....

#36 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Are you suggesting that our choice of embassy locations should be subservient to UN approval?

If so, what else should we submit to?

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:11 PM | Reply

Are you suggesting that our choice of embassy locations should be subservient to UN approval?

If so, what else should we submit to?

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:11 PM | Reply

When it deals with Israel which btw the UN Organ wholly created under less than honest ways yes the UN has the right to decide such matters.

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 11:14 PM | Reply

How is Jeff so incredibly ignorant of what Jerusalem represents to the religious world?
I'm hardly religious and I understand why it's a stupid idea.

#37 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I know full well what it represents.

For the last 8 years appeasement and apologetics was the strategy. It failed to produce results. So now, a different tack is being tried. I understand a policy disagreement. What I don't understand is the concept that the US should surrender its sovereignty and become completely subservient to any institution, much less an institution that is as morally bankrupt as the UN.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

When it deals with Israel which btw the UN Organ wholly created under less than honest ways yes the UN has the right to decide such matters.

#39 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

The UN made Israel a sovereign nation. Once that happened it ceased to be a governing body over that country.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:17 PM | Reply

For the last 8 years appeasement and apologetics was the strategy. It failed to produce results. So now, a different tack is being tried. I understand a policy disagreement. What I don't understand is the concept that the US should surrender its sovereignty and become completely subservient to any institution, much less an institution that is as morally bankrupt as the UN.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:15 PM | Reply

You aren't even an honest broker regarding the last 8 years. We owe a ton of apologizes for our illegal behavior on the world stage. Obama knew this and had the balls to confront the issue head on. I know conservatives lack that basic understanding or they understand it yet just don't care.

#42 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 11:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The UN made Israel a sovereign nation. Once that happened it ceased to be a governing body over that country.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

All of those UN Resolutions against Israel say you're wrong.

#43 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 11:20 PM | Reply

Yet, your beef seems to be that Nikki Haley had the temerity to challenge petulant children

Dude, if all you got is to try and flip the argument, just let it go. It's lost.

Basically - it's awesome for other UN ambassadors to rip the US - as long as POTUS is an (R) of course

It shouldn't surprise you that they did it.

but any kind of pushback against this is absolutely horrible.

C'mon, they're not pushing back.

They stuck their dick in the pie, the rest of the world is like "dude, that's messed up" and now they're just pouting and throwing a tantrum.

BTW it's not exactly a healthy mindset to expect the rest of the world's countries to go along with our every whim simply because we pay a lot to fund the UN. That basically says we just think of it as our clubhouse and not anything close to an actual UN.

But hey, Trump has been pushing isolationist stances for the US. I guess one way to achieve that is to simply alienate ourselves from everyone else.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-21 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For the last 8 years appeasement and apologetics was the strategy.

Yeah, sure. Just the past eight years LOL

Jesus Christ man.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-21 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You aren't even an honest broker regarding the last 8 years. We owe a ton of apologizes for our illegal behavior on the world stage. Obama knew this and had the balls to confront the issue head on. I know conservatives lack that basic understanding or they understand it yet just don't care.

#42 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

So, the US was the ONLY dishonest broker during that period? Putin didn't become nefarious until 2016 (Hello, the '80's are calling and they want their foreign policy back)?

Your holier-than-thou schtick is getting old. Your tribalism is getting old. I miss the days when you and I could debate in good faith. I miss your humility. Merry Christmas to you and yours. Happy holidays too. As of now it looks like I may not be back on this site for a week or so. Until then...best wishes..

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

So, the US was the ONLY dishonest broker during that period? Putin didn't become nefarious until 2016 (Hello, the '80's are calling and they want their foreign policy back)?

Your holier-than-thou schtick is getting old. Your tribalism is getting old. I miss the days when you and I could debate in good faith. I miss your humility. Merry Christmas to you and yours. Happy holidays too. As of now it looks like I may not be back on this site for a week or so. Until then...best wishes..

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:27 PM | Reply

Last time I checked it's best to take care of your own backyard first before dealing with someone else's backyard. The grass is getting mighty tall in ours. Don't you think it's time to cut it???

#47 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 11:30 PM | Reply

Merry Christmas to you and yours and DO Stay Gold my good friend. THAT never changes regardless.

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 11:32 PM | Reply

JPW - how subservient to the UN should this country be?

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Merry Christmas to you and yours and DO Stay Gold my good friend. THAT never changes regardless.

#48 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Thank you for that. Seriously. I'll bring the first season of The Dukes of Hazzard if I am going to be in Kansas.

Take care.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 11:36 PM | Reply

"Basically - it's awesome for other UN ambassadors to rip the US - as long as POTUS is an (R) of course - but any kind of pushback against this is absolutely horrible. "

No, that's not how it works.
What Nikki Haley is doing is caleld sinking to their level.
It's kind of like the CIA planting car bombs to go after terroirsts. It makes us no better than the terrorists. It's not clear to me how you can't see this.

It actually sounds like you're butt-hurt that so many mean petty leaders have said bad things about the US, and now you want payback.

Try being the bigger man. Just... try.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-22 12:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JPW - how subservient to the UN should this country be?

#49 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Is one "subservient" by not being the loud, obnoxious drunk who does s--- simply because they think they can?

It's. Non. Binding.

All this caterwauling only shows that somewhere you're cognizant of the fact that we've ceded the role of world leader in one short year under Trump. But instead of acknowledging it, you're playing obnoxious drunk guy acting like everyone else is the problem.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-22 12:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The UN made Israel a sovereign nation."

So you'll let the UN make sovereign nations but you won't let them decide where the capital is?

Can you explain why you'd let them do something much larger than decide where a nation's capital is, which is decide that a nation ought to exist, or not exist, but you won't let them decide what its capital should be?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-22 12:25 AM | Reply

It's. Non. Binding.

#52 | POSTED BY JPW

Yes, it is. So why all of the negative reaction to Halley's speech? Should she have pretended it was binding?

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-22 12:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yes, it is. So why all of the negative reaction to Halley's speech? Should she have pretended it was binding?

#54 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Forget it. You're not even trying anymore.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-22 12:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Poorly articulated. I agree - it's not binding. Please re-read what I said with this understanding.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-22 12:56 AM | Reply

"Yes. it. is" was intended to agree with you when you said it wasn't binding. HORRIBLE articulation on my part. Apologies.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-22 12:57 AM | Reply

I got it before you corrected it.

If you really can't see how her speech is pathetic and contradictory then I can't help you.

BTW I didn't realize Haley is such a yokel. My God she sounds semi-literate.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-22 01:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you really can't see how her speech is pathetic and contradictory then I can't help you.

I get why you disagree with it. I just disagree with you.

BTW I didn't realize Haley is such a yokel. My God she sounds semi-literate.

#58 | POSTED BY JPW

I thought she articulated her position with clarity. I disagree with you on this.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-22 01:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So in your view the role of the US in the world is to be a belligerent, self-aggrandizing obnoxious jackass? That's MAGA in your view?

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-22 01:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are you suggesting that our choice of embassy locations should be subservient to UN approval?
If so, what else should we submit to?
#38 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-12-21 11:11 PM | FLAG:

I'm suggesting you need to take a step back from your partisanship to acknowledge there's a reason we shouldn't build a embassy in Jerusalem.

There's a reason we shouldn't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Your "what else should we submit to" attitude, is just ------- macho man bravado. You poor victim!!

The UN is a collection of representatives from around the world. And the overwhelming consensus is Trump is a belligerent old man acting like a petulant child.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-22 02:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

How is Jeff so incredibly ignorant of what Jerusalem represents to the religious world?
I'm hardly religious and I understand why it's a stupid idea.
#37 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I know full well what it represents.

For the last 8 years appeasement and apologetics was the strategy. It failed to produce results. So now, a different tack is being tried. I understand a policy disagreement. What I don't understand is the concept that the US should surrender its sovereignty and become completely subservient to any institution, much less an institution that is as morally bankrupt as the UN.
#40 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-12-21 11:15 PM | FLAG:

You literally proved you haven't a clue why Jerusalem shouldn't be recognized as Israel's capital nor should we build an embassy there.

What does anything in your Obama hating, Trump adulating, UN bashing, US victimizing, rant have to do with Jerusalem?

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-22 02:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

CLOWN

Also, the specter of Hillary Clinton that still haunts Jeff 24/7.

#63 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-22 03:16 AM | Reply

9 voted "no," and 35 nations abstained, including Canada, Mexico, and Australia.

Well, the US knows who we can count on for UN support.

Shoutout to Bhutan.

#64 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-12-22 09:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Most members of the UN constantly blast Israel but are silent regarding far worse abuses in other countries. Ever since she's been our ambassador, Nikki Haley has called it like it is. Nobody in the UN or pretty much anywhere is used to that. I thought her speech was fantastic. Israel is a key ally in the ME. I'm glad they are being treated as such by this administration. And yes, if the Trump administration does something I agree with, I'm going to say so. For as disgusting as I find Trump to be personally, when it comes to policy his administration has gotten some things right IMO. This is one of them.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-22 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So basically, you're in favor of The Gropenfuhrer setting the world on fire so that he and his cronies can profit.

#66 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-22 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Make America Isolated Again!


#67 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-22 10:52 AM | Reply

"The world will respect us again, believe me!"

The UN vote was just the world "respecting" us again! Can't you just feel the respect?

Respect! ✊✊🏿✊🏾✊🏼✊

#68 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-22 11:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Ever since she's been our ambassador, Nikki Haley has called it like it is. "

That probably explains why a spokesperson for the State Dept. had to comment publicly that what Haley said at the U.N. did not describe America's actual policies going forward. He comments were utter bullying of poor countries dependent on American aid for food, medicines, etc. Haley: "Either vote our way or starve." I am ashamed of her words speaking for our country at the U.N.

#69 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-22 11:22 AM | Reply

When Steve Bannon said he acts like an 11 year old that tells you everything you need to know about Trump.

#70 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-22 11:23 AM | Reply

This is one of them.

#65 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Why?

Besides appeasing the right in Israel and making the Doomsday Evangelicals in the US cream their paints, what does this accomplish? Any of it. The moving of the embassy, Haley's speech. Tell me specifically what foreign policy outcome you see coming from it and what good it does in the bigger picture.

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-22 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

JPW - how subservient to the UN should this country be?

#49 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I don't get you "conservatives". You don't want the US to be the "world police", but we also won't obey/tolerate any other country (or group/organization of countries) being the world police. Apparently you prefer a lawless world. How is that conservative, again?

#72 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-12-22 11:52 AM | Reply


@#38 ... Are you suggesting that our choice of embassy locations should be subservient to UN approval?

If so, what else should we submit to? ...

The decision of where we place our embassy is ours, with consultations from the country for which the embassy is established. But ultimately, the location is our decision.

We could place the Israeli embassy in the middle of the Hudson River for all I care. I suspect that may not be the best place for it, but if that's where we want it, that's where we can put it.

Just as I may proffer my concerns about placing the embassy on the Hudson River, the UN has expressed their concerns about placing the embassy in Jerusalem. That is their right to do.

What is wrong is the United States acting like a bully, and telling the countries of the United Nations what opinion they should have.

It has nothing to do with the United States being subservient to the UN, that's a strawman argument.

I really hope the United States' foreign policy does not take on the fragile ego of Pres Trump, unable to handle the slightest criticism from others.

#73 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-22 11:56 AM | Reply

We don't give the vast majority to the UN BTW - We contribute 22% of the annual budget. And as I understand it that is based on the size of our economy. Of course when I look at the UN site - we still haven't paid our share for 2017 when 145 other nations have - most in January and February.

#74 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-22 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#72 ... Apparently you prefer a lawless world. ...

Sometimes I take a step back and wonder if the base of Pres Trump is really just anarchists, those who have never been able to play well with others.

#75 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-22 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"He said they had ignored warnings about inflaming tensions, and described the decision as "illegal" and "provocative"."

This is why I just tune out about this whole issue. EVERYTHING inflames tensions about that area. A butterfly can fart and one faction will accuse another faction of using chemical weapons against them and 20 years of war will result from it. Until the Middle East runs out of oil, we will have to deal with this bs no matter what anyone does or says. Might as well ignore it as well when you are making political decisions because no matter what you do, or even what you don't do, there will be violence in that area.

#76 | Posted by humtake at 2017-12-22 12:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Might as well ignore it as well when you are making political decisions because no matter what you do, or even what you don't do, there will be violence in that area.

#76 | Posted by humtake

Yeah! Why should we care? Violence over there doesn't affect us at all! Right New Yorkers?

It only costs us a $100 billion a year to not worry. A mere pittance. Hell, that wouldn't even make a respectable tax cut for AT&T.

#77 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-22 12:44 PM | Reply

#76 | Posted by humtake

I disagree. Don't get me wrong - where ever there is tribalism you will have issues from time to time. But if you actually treat people like fellow human beings and with kindness and understanding you get much further than when you blow up their homes and murder their innocent husbands, wives, mothers, fathers and children over every slight. The UN started the whole debacle by creating Israel in the first place and for too long the Israelis have treated Palestinians like they less. The conservative factions of Israel will not be happy until there is not Palestinian area left. Frankly - the Israelis are not terribly far from the Nazis at this point and Gaza reminds me of the Warsaw Ghetto. Israel has taken over Jerusalem through illegal occupation and land grabs. The West banks is all Palestine by international law. Putting an embassy there is foolish.

Personally I think the only way to solve this is put all of Jerusalem under UN control - it belongs to neither side. It is immensely important to three of the world's most important religions and should not be under the control of any one of them.

#78 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-22 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Most members of the UN constantly blast Israel but are silent regarding far worse abuses in other countries. Ever since she's been our ambassador, Nikki Haley has called it like it is. Nobody in the UN or pretty much anywhere is used to that. I thought her speech was fantastic. Israel is a key ally in the ME. I'm glad they are being treated as such by this administration. And yes, if the Trump administration does something I agree with, I'm going to say so. For as disgusting as I find Trump to be personally, when it comes to policy his administration has gotten some things right IMO. This is one of them.
#65 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-12-22 10:36 AM | REPLY

You're still avoiding my question, Jeff. You're still unwilling to discuss why Jerusalem is a bad choice for a location for our embassy to be built. Why it's a bad choice for Israel's capital. You've avoided discussing it three times now when three times I've directly asked you to acknowledge it's a bad choice.

Based on your above post. I'll conclude you support moving our embassy to Jerusalem.

You're seem utterly ignorant about what Jerusalem means to the religious world and what consequences our bullish actions will have.

By the way. Israel is doing just fine. They're living off our tax dollars and are protected by our military.

#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-22 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hahahahha! Take that Rump. You vs. the world? Moron.

#80 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-12-22 07:07 PM | Reply

You can live in your own reality only for so long.

#81 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-12-22 07:25 PM | Reply

My God she sounds semi-literate.

#58 | POSTED BY JPW

Pretty sure she is only reading what she was told to read. It sounded more like Trump's words than it did hers.

Sounding "semi-literate" is a dead away.

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-22 07:30 PM | Reply

JeffJ what's the benefit of moving the embassy to Jerusalem?

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-22 08:03 PM | Reply

The U.N. has NEVER had the interests of the United States, in anything.

Time to defund that corrupt organization and have it move to Geneva.

#84 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-23 10:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

JeffJ what's the benefit of moving the embassy to Jerusalem?

#83 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It plays into the superstitions, hatred and war of the various religions.

If you happen to be a hater, this is a good thing.

#85 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-23 10:40 AM | Reply

Jeff,

What is the foreign policy upside of relocating our Embassy to Jerusalem? What objective is achieved? I mean other than potentially ginning up some pro Israel votes for in Florida to counter the Puerto Rican revenge vote coming in 2018?

#86 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-12-23 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The U.N. has NEVER had the interests of the United States, in anything.

Time to defund that corrupt organization and have it move to Geneva.

#84 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-23 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag

BOOHOO The UN is mean to me Daddy. Make it go away.

#87 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-23 11:20 AM | Reply

Time to defund that corrupt organization and have it move to Geneva.

#84 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I love it how everything is suddenly "corrupt" in "Conservative" world because they're finding the entire world is against them.

Hint, if reality itself is against you, you're WRONG.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-23 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#86 | POSTED BY LEADBELLY

I asked that very question yesterday (maybe night before) and haven't gotten a answer, so good luck with that.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-23 12:39 PM | Reply

Jeff,

What do you think, bud? Gonna take a crack at that one?

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-24 02:35 AM | Reply

[JeffJ] furiously googling, but is only finding Christian apocalypse cult webpages

#91 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-12-24 10:35 AM | Reply

There's a reason we shouldn't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

If that reason is you are scared the Muslims are going to kill someone, you are a liberal.

#92 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-24 07:17 PM | Reply

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#93 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-12-24 07:59 PM | Reply

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