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Tuesday, December 19, 2017

Among Mueller's emails is this from Flynn: "Mike has been putting everything in place for us... this is going to make a lot of very wealthy people." How it is the building of nuclear plants in the Middle East "going make a lot of very wealthy people?" In Flynn's case, the money involved in the building 45 nuclear reactors in the Middle East would engage governments, corporations, and individuals, corrupt or not, in difficult-to-trace manners that would of course make some individuals very wealthy. But the project's will be done under the guise of "national security" to obscure any corruption. While Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his conversations with the Russian ambassador, he has not pleaded guilty to taking bribes or laundering money. Perhaps it is the conjoined motivations of money and imperial power together that best explain the feckless general's brazen enthusiasm on inauguration day.

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Flynn's conversations took place after sanctions had been activated by President Obama in response to Russia's interference in our presidential election. Flynn and Copson could not forge their communal deal with Russia and the Middle East without the support of Ukraine. Because sanctions against Russia were provoked not only by Russia's meddling in our elections, but also earlier by Russia's annexation of Crimea and its treatment of Ukraine, Copson and Flynn perhaps anticipated a certain resistance from Russia's neighbor to the West.

In Flynn's case, the military sees nuclear energy as a way to re-access parts of the globe that have been allergic to imperial interests but desire this technology. The project to be implemented with Russia involved the building of 45 nuclear reactors in the Middle East, an exciting fantasy of nuclear consortiums the world over. Trump's campaign banter that he would work with Russia in Syria and might even consider lifting sanctions gave a green light to Flynn and Copson, who had been mounting a large-scale nuclear construction project throughout 2015 and 2016.

Even the potentially legitimate maneuvers that come from the Trump White House may exemplify large-scale financial corruption. The Russia probe may not amount to something like treason, but it will certainly expose collaborations across government and business for the purposes of making perverse amounts of money. Same with the Tax Plan. These plans must be fought by decent people around the world.

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Russian coup.

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-19 08:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What is Trump's Presidency Really Up To?

Making money for Trump.

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-19 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Ringling Brothers closed up shop, I'm assuming the trumpish madness continues until the competition from Cirque Du Soleil ceases as well.

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-19 10:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What is Trump's Presidency Really Up To?
Making money for Putin.

Trump is owned by Putin. When, in your lifetime did so many Americans say something like that about our President? Never. It is treason.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-20 07:10 AM | Reply

The same thing Trump has always been up to.

Robbing from the poor to give Trump.

But, now he has The Republican Congress as his accomplice to assist in the greatest heist in history.

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-20 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Greatest heist in history? It's difficult to take rhetoric like that seriously.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 06:30 PM | Reply

Greatest heist in history? It's difficult to take rhetoric like that seriously.
#6 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Until you realize it's true. Then the REAL cognitive dissonance begins...well, at least for some.

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-20 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Greatest heist in history? It's difficult to take rhetoric like that seriously.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ

No worries. It is difficult to take you seriously, too.

I can't remember when $1.5 trillion dollars was stolen from the American people in one fell swoop before. Can you?

No shot was fired. No one was taken hostage.

All they had to do was lie lie lie.

Today $1.5 Trillion dollars quietly will be transferred from the pockets of the American people to pockets of corporations and the wealthy.

And it will be paid for by cutting social services or by our children.

The perfect crime.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-20 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#8

People keeping more of their income is the furthest thing from "theft".

It's as if government owns, or should own, 100% of everything and then decide what people are allowed to have. That's not how this country works. Private ownership is paramount and the people willingly sacrifice a portion of it to fund the government under the expectation that services will be provided.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 07:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

People keeping more of their income is the furthest thing from "theft".

It's as if government owns, or should own, 100% of everything and then decide what people are allowed to have. That's not how this country works. Private ownership is paramount and the people willingly sacrifice a portion of it to fund the government under the expectation that services will be provided.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 07:29 PM | Reply

www.vox.com

The Republican tax bill will exacerbate income inequality in America
"The bill is investing heavily in the wealthy and their children."

But the tax overhaul his Republican Party passed through the Senate early Saturday morning would make America's income inequality worse. Maybe a lot worse, economists say.

"The bill is investing heavily in the wealthy and their children -- by boosting the value of their stock portfolios, creating new loopholes for them to avoid tax on their labor income, and cutting taxes on massive inheritances," Lily Batchelder, a New York University professor who worked as an economist under President Barack Obama, said. "At the same time, it leaves low- and middle-income workers with even fewer resources to invest in their children, and increases the number of Americans without health insurance."

The centerpiece of the Republican tax plan is a massive corporate tax cut, from 35 percent to 20 percent, which is expected to disproportionately benefit the wealthy. Shares of stock in the businesses that pay corporate income are mostly owned by the wealthy, and the top executives whose compensation packages are linked to stock market performance are also much richer than the average American. So the bill's cut in the corporate tax rate is going to help them the most.

MY WORDS FOLLOW

OOPSIE DAISY So much --------- from you as per the usual.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-20 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Oh GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Poppycock. I'm going now. I have laundry to do.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-20 07:41 PM | Reply

Laura,

I was speaking toward Donner's verbiage.

A tax cut is not "theft". You can argue that it's fiscally irresponsible and that may well be true with this tax plan. But to call it a 'heist' is absurd.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 09:21 PM | Reply

A tax cut is not "theft".

There are those who argue taxes themselves are theft. It's just rhetoric.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-12-20 09:24 PM | Reply

A tax cut is not "theft". You can argue that it's fiscally irresponsible and that may well be true with this tax plan. But to call it a 'heist' is absurd.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 09:21 PM | Reply

Not when future generations have to pay for it then yes indeed it's theft.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-20 09:25 PM | Reply

"Greatest heist in history? It's difficult to take rhetoric like that seriously."

Unless you can do math. In that case, it's very obvious.

I mean, it's not like we're discussing how to divvy up an unexpected surplus. We're borrowing an extra $2.1 Trillion to give $1.6 Trillion to the wealthiest 1%.

What more do you need?

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-20 09:28 PM | Reply

Not to mention Average Americans that have to pay more so the wealthy can get their cuts.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-20 09:28 PM | Reply

"People keeping more of their income is the furthest thing from "theft". "

Agreed.

But average people getting $1.25/day for a $7000 loan?

Theft.

Wouldn't you agree?

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-20 09:34 PM | Reply

"to call it a 'heist' is absurd"

Not when it's all on borrowed money...

...that you and I will be expected to pay back.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-20 09:35 PM | Reply

Not to mention Average Americans that have to pay more so the wealthy can get their cuts.

#16 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Where are you getting that?

Is it that these tax rates have a sunset? The Bush-era tax rates had a sunset too and everything below 400k was preserved when the rates expired.

But average people getting $1.25/day for a $7000 loan?
Theft.
Wouldn't you agree?

#17 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The 'theft' is that government spending is out of control and is trending in a horrible way. Both parties suck fiscally and the GOP is worse. Neither party is willing to make the hard choices but at least Democrats sort of, kind of, try to at least partially fund future liabilities via their never-ending fetish of increasing taxes.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 09:39 PM | Reply

Laura,

what you are experiencing locally is WAY worse than this tax plan.

your 2% property tax rate, 9-10% sales tax, etc...your community is sticking it to "average americans" more than Trump is.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-20 09:44 PM | Reply

The 'theft' is that government spending is out of control and is trending in a horrible way. Both parties suck fiscally and the GOP is worse. Neither party is willing to make the hard choices but at least Democrats sort of, kind of, try to at least partially fund future liabilities via their never-ending fetish of increasing taxes.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 09:39 PM | Reply

The only theft from Government spending is on the military industrial complex. Things like Social Security Medicare Medicaid Welfare and Food Stamps because they help the Average Americans instead of the corporate class.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-20 09:45 PM | Reply

what you are experiencing locally is WAY worse than this tax plan.

your 2% property tax rate, 9-10% sales tax, etc...your community is sticking it to "average americans" more than Trump is.

Posted by eberly at 2017-12-20 09:44 PM | Reply

So You weren't lying when you said you lived closer to me than I thought. That's crazy.

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-20 09:50 PM | Reply

"The 'theft' is..."

Blah, blah, blah. Yeah I agree.

Now...back to my question: Do you want to borrow $7000, by getting $1.25 a day? Good deal or bad deal? And not politics...math.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-20 09:54 PM | Reply

Do you want to borrow $2.1 Trillion to give $1.6 Trillion to the 1%?

Good deal or bad deal?

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-20 09:55 PM | Reply

"your 2% property tax rate, 9-10% sales tax, etc...your community is sticking it to "average americans" more than Trump is."

Well, there is the part where Trump won't let her deduct those taxes any more.
So he's sticking it to her more than Obama did, right?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-20 10:05 PM | Reply

"Both parties suck fiscally and the GOP is worse."

Yet you somehow support every GOP fiscal policy from Medicare vouchers to School vouchers.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-20 10:06 PM | Reply

"your community is sticking it to "average americans" more than Trump is.""

Not your community, your state. Governor Brownbackistan increased the sales tax on food to the highest in the nation:
www.kansas.com

Meaning Kansas has one of the highest state-and-local rates in the nation:
taxfoundation.org

The community might be responsible for 2% property, and an additional 1.62% sales tax.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-20 10:31 PM | Reply

25/27

I can't disagree with either of you. Snoofy, you might be right on the "sticking it to her more" part because it depends on how much local and state taxes she pays in the first place.

I'm losing about $9K in deductions from that.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-21 08:55 AM | Reply

"I'm losing about $9K in deductions from that."

Because the authors know if that's the case, you're more likely to live in a blue state. You're losing that money because the Republicans were trying to specifically target Democratic strongholds.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 10:11 AM | Reply

"You're losing that money because the Republicans were trying to specifically target Democratic strongholds."

what's the idea behind that? The authors want democrats to pay more in taxes? why? so it will get them to be a republican?

or because that vote and support is lost anyway...may as well stick it to people who don't vote for me and leave my folks alone?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-21 10:19 AM | Reply

"what's the idea behind that?

To hurt public unions, universities, and states which have the audacity to tax themselves. I can show you a half-dozen places in the new code where "blue states" or "blue causes" were targeted. For example, Union dues will no longer be deductible, but fees for fighting Unions will. In this "tax-cut" bill, they've actually added a NEW tax on University endowments.

"The authors want democrats to pay more in taxes? why?"

Revenge. At least that's what they admit:
www.vanityfair.com

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 10:35 AM | Reply

"may as well stick it to people who don't vote for me"

As someone who has studied tax codes for the last 30 years, it could. not. be. more. obvious.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 10:36 AM | Reply

"what's the idea behind that? The authors want democrats to pay more in taxes? why?"

Are really that clueless? Everything Trump does is about undoing Obama's legacy and undermining liberal causes and putting more money into Trump accounts.

Everything.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-21 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The authors want democrats to pay more in taxes? why?"

So they have less money to spend on elections. Duh.

For a guy who works with money all day you sure don't seem to know what it's used for. :)

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-21 07:49 PM | Reply

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