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Tuesday, December 19, 2017

With Doug Jones' upset victory in last week's Alabama US Senate race, Democrats are solidifying a new model for rebuilding their tattered competitiveness in the South. Jones benefited from the unique vulnerabilities of his opponent, Republican Roy Moore, who was a deeply polarizing figure even before he was besieged by allegations that he had pursued relationships with teenage girls, some of them underage, while in his 30s. But the coalition that Jones mobilized closely resembled the voter alignments that have powered other recent Democratic victories in governors' races in Virginia, North Carolina and Louisiana.

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"It was definitely the most complicated, toughest thing I've ever been through, on the edge of your seat," said Joe Trippi, a longtime Democratic strategist who directed Jones' campaign. "[But] Trump has created this middle ground where enough moderate and conservative Republicans and Democrats really want leadership about coming together and getting something done. ... I think that is the winning message of 2018."

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I am skeptical. Especially if the Democratic Party is also simultaneously trying to give more emphasis to the progressive pro-Sanders wing of the left. Hope my skepticism is misplaced.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-19 03:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here is more about that new strategery...

www.usnews.com

also a Back Page thread

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 03:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


From your cited article...

@#2 ...If Senate Republicans pass a tax overhaul Tuesday, they will have done more for the cause of democratic populism than Bernie Sanders ever did. ...

As I was watching BloombergTV's coverage of the tax bill making its way through Congress, I was thinking along similar lines.

I mused that the Republicans, if they pass this tax bill, will have kept their wealthy donors quite happy, giving those donors a rather nice return on investment for their donations.

But what of the populists who elected those Republicans? With the tax bill currently about half as popular as fmr Pres Obama's Affordable Care Act, I have to ask:

Would it have been better or worse if the Republicans had not passed the tax bill, or passed one that actually benefited the voters who elected them instead of the donors who bought them?

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-19 04:23 PM | Reply

The Democrats have pretty much jacked up their chances in the south. If there was half a good candidate in Alabama, the Dems would have lost. But Dems will get ahead of themselves and they will end up calling everyone not liberal stupid, ignorant and "not educated".

Most of middle America will not forget "deplorables" and "Clinging to their guns and religion".

We aren't stupid, we know how you Dems feel about us..

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 05:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"We aren't stupid."

We aren't convinced.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 05:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Most of middle America will not forget "deplorables" and "Clinging to their guns and religion".

We aren't stupid, we know how you Dems feel about us..

Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 05:34 PM | Reply

Go to the Doctor and get you a couple Testosterone shots. Your whining says you're lacking.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-19 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your whining says you're lacking. #6 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2017-12-19 05:41 PM | FLAG: Laura The Internet Doctor 🤣

#7 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-12-19 05:45 PM | Reply

Here is more about that new strategery...
#2 | POSTED BY CORKY

trump's inbred speech makes me actually miss the comedic Bushisms.

#8 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-19 05:50 PM | Reply

Most of middle America will not forget "deplorables" and "Clinging to their guns and religion".

We aren't stupid, we know how you Dems feel about us..

#4 | Posted by boaz

No you're stupid. YOu voted for a billionaire who makes his products in china to save you from all the billionaires who make their products in china.

You voted for a guy who said goldman sachs was evil and then filled his white house with goldman sachs bankers.

You got conned just like stupid people always do.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

they (we) better get it together fast. honesty, integrity, courage?
We the People are on a ride...these parties are not leading, like they should.

the GOP is totally corrupt. they have the money and thus the power. getting the money out of politics is rapidly overtaking drug prohibition (also internationally sponsored by US) as the standing growing poisonous root of America's, and therefore the world's, #1 problem: life-threatening; fatal; health; justice; liberty; economic.

--until we stop attacking ourselves, we're all headed down, not up. some simply faster than others. comparatively: all essentially dead already. stupid and dead.

#10 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-19 05:58 PM | Reply

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Boaz, do you honestly believe Trump is a better role model for America's youth than Obama was?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 06:04 PM | Reply

Boaz, do you honestly believe Trump is a better role model for America's youth than Obama was?

#11 | Posted by snoofy

He doesn't want a president who's a good role model.

He wants a president who is an ------- toward all the people he wishes he could be an ------- toward.

He has ignorance and cruelty in his heart so he wants ignorance and cruelty in the oval office making laws for the country.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 06:12 PM | Reply

Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19:
"Most of middle America will not forget 'deplorables' and 'Clinging to their guns and religion'."

And yet, somehow, they routinely forget everything between 2000 - 2009.

"We aren't stupid"

Now you're just flat-out lying.

#13 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-19 06:21 PM | Reply

Boaz, do you honestly believe Trump is a better role model for America's youth than Obama was?

#11 | Posted by snoofy

Role model?

I want someone who is going to put conservative judges on the bench. I want someone who is going to cut taxes.

Trump is doing just fine.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I want someone who is going to put conservative judges on the bench. I want someone who is going to cut taxes.

Trump is doing just fine.

#14 | Posted by boaz

Aww all boaz cares about is abortion and rich people's tax rates. Like a good little lobotomized trump chump.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 08:06 PM | Reply

If you're tired of being called stupid you should quit showing off your stupidity. You ride around doing pop-a-wheelies of ignorance.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Aww all boaz cares about is abortion and rich people's tax rates."

Looks that way at first, but I doubt he could really find support for birth control even after it's shown to reduce abortion rates.

So he's really about imposing his morality of punishing the sinners for their wicked acts that made them poor and pregnant.

Don't forget the War on Drugs, there's not nearly enough black people in prison for doing drugs.

Those 11 million illegals? They should all be on a chain gang right now, building the wall.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 08:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fear not, racism, sexism and militarism is alive and well.

#18 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-20 07:59 AM | Reply

Rcade, tell your buddies at the DNC that they should be prepared for the long haul, not the easy fight.

Will the Demos retake the South? Yes, but it's gonna take a long time, long enough for the coming demographic shift to reach full fruition. Every election is not gonna have a loser like Roy Moore in it. The demographic patterns clearly show that the old baby-boomers, who overwhelmingly vote GOP, are dying off and slowly being replaced by a newly emerging demographic pattern, the millenials, who are more democratic, more liberal.

I would advise the DNC to;

1) Don't underestimate the flexibility of the southern voter. Don't forget that Obama took a very high percentage (but not a majority) of the traditional red voter in the red states. Why is that? It was because of #2 - #4 below. BTW, Doug Jones did the same thing.

2) Do not let the evangelical wingnuts claim ownership of God. This is very very important in the south. Every time some loudmouth evangelical creep like Roy Moore claims god's will is only what Roy Moore says it is, call them out on it, but don't criticize the 'religion' behind the idea that 'god's will' is a thing.

3) Keep it classy. Manners, even when used passive-aggressively, are very important to most southerners. Like Bear Bryant used to say, 'Boys, I want you to knock someone on their ass, then at the end of the play, help them back up, so you can knock them on their ass again in the next play'.

4) When showing people that they voted for a loser (Trump), frame it to say, 'you were lied to, you were duped, it's not your fault, you voted in good faith but here are the lies you were led to believe.....' If you say they voted for Trump because they are ignorant hicks, they will turn on you.

The basic idea is that, in the near term at least, the Demos are going to have to shift some of the fence sitting red voters over to vote Demo.

#19 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-20 10:09 AM | Reply

"4) When showing people that they voted for a loser (Trump), frame it to say, 'you were lied to, you were duped, it's not your fault, you voted in good faith but here are the lies you were led to believe.....' If you say they voted for Trump because they are ignorant hicks, they will turn on you."

What are the chances this will get through to the base of the Democrats in time for the next election? As this and other threads on this forum show, they just can't help themsleves and many of them don't even want to compete electorally.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-12-20 11:29 AM | Reply

What are the chances this will get through to the base of the Democrats in time for the next election? As this and other threads on this forum show, they just can't help themsleves and many of them don't even want to compete electorally.

#20 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

This ain't about the base of the democrats. They do not need to be convinced. I am specifically talking about the media campaigns, and about convincing the moderates to vote democratic.

You will never convince the white evangelical wingnuts to vote democratic, but like i said, their numbers are dwindling. Trump is doing wonders to help the DNC. They have to capitalize on that.

#21 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-20 01:22 PM | Reply

"This ain't about the base of the democrats. They do not need to be convinced. I am specifically talking about the media campaigns, and about convincing the moderates to vote democratic"

Yes we're on the same page about this. But it's the current base of the Democrats who are influencing the media campaigns to attack moderates and disaffected voters. Until that stops, or at least until enough other voices stand up to make it clear those people don't represent their party, they won't get those voters back.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-12-20 04:28 PM | Reply

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