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Tuesday, December 19, 2017

n its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation. The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, was launched in 2008 after the Drug Enforcement Administration amassed evidence that Hezbollah had transformed itself from a Middle East-focused military and political organization into an international crime syndicate that some investigators believed was collecting $1 billion a year from drug and weapons trafficking, money laundering and other criminal activities.

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Be forewarned: The Politico article I linked is VERY long.

I know that some on this site are going to be angry that I posted this, but I don't care.

This piece was published over the weekend and it's new news, it's not re-hashing something that has been known.

It's a relevant story and I think it's one that should be known and heard.

With that, flame away (I'm betting Laura will be the first to dump on this thread).

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 02:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Watch the movie "American Made" and then realize why this article is a bunch of hypocritical Obamahating nonsense. Obama made a nuclear deal with Iran, which despite Trump's resistance, still stands to this day. Pretend outrage about drug or weapon sales or smuggling, wherever in the world, when our CIA has been doing the exact same things for decades seems a bit ridiculous. Obama's only intention was to get the deal done to prevent IRan from creating nuclear weapons not to solve every problem in the ME. We virtually invented this type of smuggling yet we pretend outrage when anyone else does the exact same things.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 02:31 PM | Reply

It's difficult to buh-lieve that the leader of the free world has to make difficult decisions about priorities such as major nuclear disarmament agreements vs pissing off a DEA agent who's pet project was curtailed.

If that's what happened at all.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 02:40 PM | Reply

Garbage thread by the usual suspect.

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-19 02:45 PM | Reply

#4

Did I call that or what?

#3

It's difficult to buh-lieve that the leader of the free world has to make difficult decisions about priorities such as major nuclear disarmament agreements vs pissing off a DEA agent who's pet project was curtailed.
If that's what happened at all.
#3 | POSTED BY CORKY

The problem is that the profits for all of that drug-running went into the construction and use of EFP's which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of US soldiers in Iraq. These particular IED's are powerful enough to rip an M1 Abrams tank in half.

I understand that the Obama administration was looking at the big picture. I understand that they ultimately felt that the concessions given to Iran were worth it in order to get the deal done. I happen to disagree and this is just one more reason why I oppose the deal. They publicly expressed that they thought the deal would normalize relations with Iran and the West - it's done anything but. They publicly expressed that they thought they could strengthen the "moderate wing" of Hezzbollah. They didn't and that they thought Hezzbollah had a moderate wing reeks of naivete. That they thought Iran was going to operate in good faith was horribly naive and arrogant.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 02:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Laura doesn't tolerate anything even remotely critical of Obama.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 02:55 PM | Reply

- the profits for all of that drug-running went into the construction and use of EFP's

Conjecture by the disgruntled employee, not fact.

- I understand that they ultimately felt that the concessions given to Iran were worth it in order to get the deal done.

That's so mealy-mouthed. There is no way Obama wittingly said," hey, let's give up some soldiers to bombs to get this done!" Get real.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's so mealy-mouthed. There is no way Obama wittingly said," hey, let's give up some soldiers to bombs to get this done!" Get real.
#7 | POSTED BY CORKY

I am not suggesting that they had careless disregard for US soldiers. I honestly believe they thought they could woo Iran and Hezzbollah, which is incredibly naive, if true.

They wanted the deal passed and were willing to give a LOT in order to get it done. I think it was bad policy.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-I am not suggesting

Certainly sounded that way.

- they could woo Iran and Hezzbollah, which is incredibly naive, if true.

The deal was done and is still in effect. The cost described by the disgruntled employee is unproven conjecture at this point.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 03:05 PM | Reply

#9

It's not 1 disgruntled employee. It's a lot more than that. Do you honestly think Politico would publish such a lengthy piece based off 1 employee?

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:06 PM | Reply

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#10

Ah, your calculated rwinger trust in the hated MSM is admirable, rofl!

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 03:09 PM | Reply

From the article:

Nonetheless, other sources independent of Project Cassandra confirmed many of the allegations in interviews with POLITICO, and in some cases, in public comments.

One Obama-era Treasury official, Katherine Bauer, in little-noticed written testimony presented last February to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, acknowledged that "under the Obama administration ... these [Hezbollah-related] investigations were tamped down for fear of rocking the boat with Iran and jeopardizing the nuclear deal."


This is in addition to the Project Cassandra employees who are making the same claims.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:10 PM | Reply

Ah, your calculated rwinger trust in the hated MSM is admirable, rofl!

#11 | POSTED BY CORKY

Is is your calculated mistrust in the loved MSM. Look in the mirror.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:11 PM | Reply

- tamped down

Has nada to do with, "drug-running went into the construction and use of EFP's which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of US soldiers in Iraq."

It's actually much closer to, "pissing off a DEA agent who's pet project was curtailed.", which is what I said.

But hey, ODS suffers want this story to be true in it's worst implications, and maybe it will be proven so with a legal investigation. Until then, it's just a story.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 03:13 PM | Reply

As a result, the U.S. government lost insight into not only drug trafficking and other criminal activity worldwide, but also into Hezbollah's illicit conspiracies with top officials in the Iranian, Syrian, Venezuelan and Russian governments -- all the way up to presidents Nicolas Maduro, Assad and Putin, according to former task force members and other current and former U.S. officials.

Like I said, much more than just 1 disgruntled employee.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:14 PM | Reply

But hey, ODS suffers want this story to be true in it's worst implications, and maybe it will be proven so with a legal investigation. Until then, it's just a story.
#14 | POSTED BY CORKY

I'm going by what I read in the article. Here's a snippet:

Meanwhile, in Iraq, the U.S. military was probing the role of Iran in outfitting Shiite militias with high-tech improvised explosive devices known as Explosively Formed Penetrators, or EFPs, that had already killed hundreds of U.S. soldiers.

All of these paths eventually converged on Hezbollah.

This wasn't entirely a surprise, agents say. For decades, Hezbollah -- in close cooperation with Iranian intelligence and Revolutionary Guard -- had worked with supporters in Lebanese communities around the world to create a web of businesses that were long suspected of being fronts for black-market trading. Along the same routes that carried frozen chicken and consumer electronics, these businesses moved weapons, laundered money and even procured parts for Iran's illicit nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:17 PM | Reply

So, more than one disgruntled employee.

= lost insight

That's key to this accusation: that IF the intel had not been "tamped down" somewhat, MAYBE these DEA agents would have done this, that, or the other fine thing (and enhanced their careers). It's really just a bunch of speculation about what might have been.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 03:19 PM | Reply

-I'm going by what I read in the article.

The article is 2/3's speculation and 1/3rd sour grapes.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 03:21 PM | Reply

This would seem more than just speculative:

"Nobody had seen weapons like these," Asher told POLITICO. "They could blow the side off a building."

Asher's curiosity had been piqued by evidence linking the IED network to phone numbers intercepted in the Colombia investigation. Before long, he traced the unusual alliance to a number allegedly used by Safieddine in Iran.

"I had no clue who he was," Asher recalled. "But this guy was sending money into Iraq, to kill American soldiers."

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:22 PM | Reply

"They wanted the deal passed and were willing to give a LOT in order to get it done. I think it was bad policy."

They didn't "give" anything. The allowed Iranians to have access to their own money which has been sitting in American banks for years due to sanctions. But it was their money all along. Opposition to the "Deal" Obama made has been a cheap shot by Republicans all along, notice even Trump has allowed it to stay in place?

#20 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's really just a bunch of speculation about what might have been.
#17 | POSTED BY CORKY

It's much more than just that.

That won't be easy, according to former Project Cassandra members, even with President Donald Trump's recent vow to crack down on Iran and Hezbollah. They said they tried to keep the project on life support, in hopes that it would be revived by the next administration, but the loss of key personnel, budget cuts and dropped investigations are only a few of many challenges made worse by the passage of nearly a year since Trump took office.

"You can't let these things disintegrate," said Kelly. "Sources evaporate. Who knows if we can find all of the people willing to testify?"

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Senior DEA official who as head of Special Operations Division lobbied for support for Project Cassandra and its investigations., who oversaw Project Cassandra as the head of the DEA's Special Operations Division for nine years ending in July 2014, put it this way: "Certainly there are targets that people feel that could have been indicted and weren't. There is certainly an argument to be made that if tomorrow all the agencies were ordered to come together and sit in a room and put all the evidence on the table against all these bad guys, that there could be a hell of a lot of indictments."

But Maltz said the damage wrought by years of political interference will be hard to repair.

"There's no doubt in my mind now that the focus was this Iran deal and our initiative was kind of like a fly in the soup," Maltz said. "We were the train that went off the tracks."

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:26 PM | Reply

#19

The article is posted and you can keep repeating it if you like... maybe that will make it more true, right?

Nothing in that quote, btw, says that the Obama admin knowingly traded American lives for a nuclear deal, or that they were naive about what is really not news at all: that Iran and Hezbollah are bad actors on the world stage.

Until there is a real investigation, it's just a story that you like and hope is true for political reasons.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 03:28 PM | Reply

#21

So, lots of disgruntled DEA guys who's pet project (and careers) MIGHT have suffered from lightening up on some investigations while a nuclear disarmament deal was accomplished.

I guess you and they would rather see Iran with nukes, right?

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 03:31 PM | Reply

If any of this is true, it's far worse than Iran Contra or anything Nixon was accused of regarding Vietnam.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-12-19 03:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Oh? How bad was Iran Contra?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 03:48 PM | Reply

I guess you and they would rather see Iran with nukes, right?
#23 | POSTED BY CORKY

Ah, the false choice. Oppose Obama and you must want Iran to get nukes. It doesn't work that way.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:49 PM | Reply

Why is the DEA meddling in foreign affairs in the first place? Why is the a DEA in the second place? Why is there a stupid war on drugs in the last place?

#27 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nothing in that quote, btw, says that the Obama admin knowingly traded American lives for a nuclear deal, or that they were naive about what is really not news at all: that Iran and Hezbollah are bad actors on the world stage.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt - I am going to assume that they were fully aware that Hezzbollah was (and is) a bad actor on the world stage. In order to get the deal passed they eased up on Hezzbollah, big time, by all-but pulling the plug on Cassandra in order to get their nuclear deal passed. I don't think they were being callous, I just think they felt that whatever the results of an empowered Hezzbollah were worth it in order to get their deal done.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 03:53 PM | Reply

Laura doesn't tolerate anything even remotely critical of Obama.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

I criticize Obama plenty. When you do it it's the drizzling shizzles.He can't wipe his ass without you saying he did it wrong.

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-19 03:56 PM | Reply

Can you imagine that the DEA lunatics got captured in Iran, the huge problem for any administration it would cause?

#30 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 04:02 PM | Reply

"Laura doesn't tolerate anything even remotely critical of Obama."

I criticize him for not pardoning Don Siegelman. Not too much else though. In hindsight today, he sure looks Gooooood!

#31 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can you imagine that the DEA lunatics got captured in Iran, the huge problem for any administration it would cause?

Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 04:02 PM | Reply

Yeah why is our DEA in foreign lands in the first place???

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-19 04:07 PM | Reply

I criticize Obama plenty. When you do it it's the drizzling shizzles.He can't wipe his ass without you saying he did it wrong.

#29 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Of course. I am wholly unreasonable about everything, according to you. But, that's because you have a narrative and when I post something that counters the narrative you ignore it, or change the context.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 04:08 PM | Reply

Yeah why is our DEA in foreign lands in the first place???

#32 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

You can find the answer to that question in the article linked to this thread.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 04:09 PM | Reply

You can find the answer to that question in the article linked to this thread.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 04:09 PM | Reply

They shouldn't be in foreign lands Jeff. They are supposed to be Domestic use. No wonder w3er're effed up.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-19 04:15 PM | Reply

Jeff, if you know why just answer the question. I read enough of the article to understand that whatever justification the DEA had for being over there or for criticizing Obama for the nuclear deal was bull crap. I stopped reading when I realized that.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Seriously too, see the movie "American Made," I watched it the other night. The things our government did under Reagan are simply mind blowing and the things were all similar to the things the DEA was wanting to do in the ME.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#36

Because it's not a simple, 1 sentence answer. Regardless, I actually agree with you on this. if the DEA is supposed to be a domestic entity they really have no business operating overseas - exceeding their mandate and all that.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 04:20 PM | Reply

"American Made"? I'll look into it.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 04:21 PM | Reply

I'm not saying the DEA is only for domestic law enforcement but it should be if it isn't, I don't actually know what their charter says they are intended to do.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 04:27 PM | Reply

"Yeah why is our DEA in foreign lands in the first place???"

Because we're using our terrorists to fight their terrorists.

Good on Obama for de-escalating that penny ante --------.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 04:34 PM | Reply

Good on Obama for de-escalating that penny ante --------.

#41 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Only our side de-escalated. This policy strengthened Hezzbollah which in turn ramped up their terrorist and drug-trafficking activities. There was no de-escalation, only capitulation.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 05:11 PM | Reply

"Only our side de-escalated."

Is it a bad thing to you that we don't fight terrorism with terrorism?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hezzbollah's trafficking cocaine?

And Obama could have stopped them?

By negotiating with Iran?

There's cocaine flowing through America everyday and our entire DEA can't do anything to prevent it from happening.

But. It's not unusual for Jeff to hold Obama to standards he'd never hold Trump to.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-19 06:35 PM | Reply

#44. That post has so much straw and is so much of a non sequiter that I don't even know where to begin.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 06:51 PM | Reply

Wow, the pretzels that the DR Left is twisting itself to backstop St. Barry are dramatic, even for this misinformed crowd:

pissing off a DEA agent who's pet project was curtailed.

Conjecture by the disgruntled employee, not fact.

The cost described by the disgruntled employee is unproven conjecture at this point.

"But as Project Cassandra reached higher into the hierarchy of the conspiracy, Obama administration officials threw an increasingly insurmountable series of roadblocks in its way, according to interviews with dozens of participants who in many cases spoke for the first time about events shrouded in secrecy, and a review of government documents and court records. When Project Cassandra leaders sought approval for some significant investigations, prosecutions, arrests and financial sanctions, senior officials at the Justice and Treasury departments delayed, hindered or rejected their requests.

The Justice Department declined requests by Project Cassandra and other authorities to file criminal charges against major players such as Hezbollah's high-profile envoy to Iran, a Lebanese bank that allegedly laundered billions in alleged drug profits, and a central player in a U.S.-based cell of the Iranian paramilitary Quds force. And the State Department rejected requests to lure high-value targets to countries where they could be arrested."

One disgruntled employee, indeed.

This is not about drugs, this is about billions of dollars that have gone to Hezbollah and the Quds Force that the DEA and Justice were trying to stop, but that got in the way of Geopolitics.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-19 06:52 PM | Reply

if the DEA is supposed to be a domestic entity they really have no business operating overseas - exceeding their mandate and all that.

The DEA, through Foreign Cooperative Investigations, legally operates in 58 different countries.

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-19 06:54 PM | Reply

Since Putin is the source of all evil now (reset button be damned), then I am sure that the DR Left would be up in arms if this happened in 2017:

"Lebanese arms dealer Ali Fayad a suspected top Hezbollah operative whom CIA agents believed reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin as a key supplier of weapons to Syria and Iraq, was arrested in Prague in the spring of 2014 as part of the investigation. But for the nearly two years Fayad was in custody, top Obama administration officials declined to apply pressure on the Czech government to extradite him to the United States, even as Putin was lobbying aggressively against it."

Wow, was Obama Putin's bitch as well?

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-19 07:03 PM | Reply

So a guy who reports directly to Putin is basically given a free pass by the Obama administration:

"Fayad, who had been indicted in U.S. courts on charges of planning the murders of U.S. government employees, attempting to provide material support to a terrorist organization and attempting to acquire, transfer and use anti-aircraft missiles, was ultimately sent to Beirut and freed. He is now believed by U.S. officials to be back in business, and helping to arm militants in Syria and elsewhere with Russian heavy weapons."

Planning murders of US government employees?

Attempting to acquire, transfer and use anti-aircraft missiles?

We let this guy go?

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-19 07:07 PM | Reply

The DOJ had sealed indictments against one of the biggest narco-terrorists in the world, nicknamed the Ghost, and the Obama administration declined to move against him:

"Project Cassandra members say top administration officials also blocked the arrest of and undermined their efforts to go after other top Hezbollah operatives including one nicknamed the ‘Ghost" (one of the most mysterious alleged associates of Abdallah Safieddine, secretly indicted by the U.S., linked to multi-ton U.S.-bound cocaine loads and weapons shipments to Middle East) allowing them to remain active despite being under sealed U.S. indictment for years. People familiar with his case say the Ghost has been one of the world's biggest cocaine traffickers, including to the U.S., as well as a major supplier of conventional and chemical weapons for use by Syrian President Bashar Assad against his people."

This guy is a known supplier of chemical weapons and we make a conscious decision not to arrest him?

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-19 07:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wow, was Obama Putin's bitch as well?

#48 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

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#51 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-19 07:51 PM | Reply

And Trump is Putin's bitch.

#52 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-19 07:51 PM | Reply

rofl.... r0c is jeffyj with an online law degree.

Both would rather Iran have nukes than to give up a few DEA collars.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 07:55 PM | Reply

So, in order to get the nuke deal we Had to allow Hezzbollah to ramp up terror activities and drug trafficking?

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 09:12 PM | Reply

The DEA and the CIA have been at cross purposes in Central America for decades.Those cartel guys are pretty protective of their US markets and the smuggling routes, some which the CIA helped them establish when the CIA's Barry Seal started running cartel coke for Reagan's war in Nicaragua.
I could buy the cartel's selling Hezbollah coke to flog overseas,but for the cartels to bring all the heat upon themselves that comes with helping a terrorist group to infiltrate the Mexico/USA border seems less probable to me.
Jeff may want to consider is that while Iran has influence with Hezbollah through funding and material support,they have no direct control over them.Hezbollah is in Lebanon and though they share the religious link with the Iranians that doesn't mean the Iranian's are complicit with every action they take or that Hezbollah even consults them on there activities.
What could the USA have demanded Iran to do to stop Hezbollah from selling Cartel Coke overseas anyways?
As for the alleged connections to Iranian officials we are all 3.57 people away from anyone.
research.fb.com and if they were complicit as Donnie would say if it were Russia instead of Iran "we did it too"

#55 | Posted by Scotty at 2017-12-20 12:00 AM | Reply

Russia does more terror ops than Hezbollah and the dotard won't even implement sanctions against Russia that the Congress ordered him to.
The only thing he got in return was mob money, worst deal for the US in ever. At least Obama crippled Iran's nuclear development capacity.

#56 | Posted by bored at 2017-12-20 05:06 AM | Reply

At least Obama financed Iran's nuclear development capacity.

#57 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-12-20 07:43 AM | Reply

"If any of this is true, it's far worse than Iran Contra or anything Nixon was accused of..."

Luckily for Republicans, they've always got some crappy behavior for comparison.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-20 10:12 AM | Reply

The Iranian nuclear deal was about Iran's nuclear program, preventing Iran from doing the same things we do on other topics was, rightly, not part of the negotiations. What idiots like Visitor and Jeff want us to believe is that we should have made the nuclear deal contingent upon them ceasing to do the same things we do in S. America all the time. What a bunch of hooie! It's just plain, old fashioned Obamahate, not even high quality Obamahate. Garbage.

#59 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-20 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"At least Obama financed Iran's nuclear development capacity."

Such stupidity it's almost obscene.
I say it all the time while driving in traffic....."too stupid to be alive."

#60 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-20 11:14 AM | Reply

At least Obama financed Iran's nuclear development capacity.

#57 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

If RCade ever sets up an intelligence requirement to post here, no one will be sad to see you go.

#61 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-20 12:03 PM | Reply

Lets see.... Stopping Iran's nuclear program or annoying a drug ring that would be instantly replaced if we ever managed to seriously harm it...

I know what I'd choose to concentrate on!

#62 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-20 12:05 PM | Reply

Well doesn't this just make trump letting Russia off the hook for 2016 election interference seem like small potatoes?

#63 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-20 01:05 PM | Reply

If RCade ever sets up an intelligence requirement to post here, no one will be sad to see you go.
#61 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

With the regurgitation of pundits' talking points I'm certain a CAPTCHA would get rid of half the trolls here.

#64 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-20 01:06 PM | Reply

#55 | POSTED BY SCOTTY

No one was suggesting that Iran should have had to totally rein-in Hezbollah. The issue is why was easing up on and empowering Hezbollah's terror and criminal activities a precursor to the nuke deal?

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 01:11 PM | Reply

"No one was suggesting that Iran should have had to totally rein-in Hezbollah. The issue is why was easing up on and empowering Hezbollah's terror and criminal activities a precursor to the nuke deal?"

Yeah, why couldn't we have just declared war on Iran and then expected them to negotiate about nuclear weapons. I think Obama felt that he needed to do whatever he needed to do to get that deal. I remember not even believing he would be able to succeed, I'm still surprised that he did. I don't remember your posts expressing gratitude for such an achievement. Let's be honest, no matter what Obama did it wouldn't be good enough for you. You know that, I know that, we all know that.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-20 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think Obama felt that he needed to do whatever he needed to do to get that deal.

I believe that too and it's for that reason that he empowered Hezbollah. If you want to make the argument that it's still a net positive, have at it. I happen to disagree for a number of reasons including issues I have with the deal itself.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 01:32 PM | Reply

You idiots who think this is about the drugs are either comprehension challenged or didn't bother to read the article.

Drugs were the financing source, the DEA, along with the rank and file at the DOD, DOJ and CIA were trying to shut off the source of billions of dollars to pay for weapons in Syria, conventional, heavy and chemical, funding for the Quds Force and advancing Putin's agenda around the world. They were stopped from doing their jobs, however, by senior, appointed officials who were worried about upsetting the negotiations with Iran. As a result, tens of thousands of people died, probably unnecessarily.

If you don't understand this then you are more retarded than I have ever suspected you were.

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 01:33 PM | Reply

#68 |

Lawyers who live on presumptions and assumptions in a political article rather than facts from an actual investigation.

Here's what the Head of that project said:

"Certainly there are targets that people feel that could have been indicted and weren't. There is certainly an argument to be made that if tomorrow all the agencies were ordered to come together and sit in a room and put all the evidence on the table against all these bad guys, that there could be a hell of a lot of indictments."

Well, that's possible, but is it worth a nukalar Iran?

The "tens of thousands of people died" is gross speculation and Drama Lawyer Queen territory.

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-20 01:41 PM | Reply

Did you even comprehend your own quote?

"if tomorrow all the agencies were ordered to come together and sit in a room and put all the evidence on the table against all these bad guys, that there could be a hell of a lot of indictments."

Since 2008 the Feds have known that Hezbollah was laundering Billions of Dollars in drug money, and though an intermediary who directly reported to Putin were financing conventional, heavy and chemical weapons purchases for Syria and Iran.

Remind me again when the war in Syria started? How about ISIS?

#70 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 01:58 PM | Reply

"tens of thousands of people died"

Wow! That still stinks. Which orifice did you pull that out of again?

#70

The DEA might have lost a few collars, but Iran doesn't have nukes. That's a fair exchange. The rest of your nonsense about the possible effect of maybe having missed some indictments, as the Project Head said, is pure politically prejudiced speculation.

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-20 02:26 PM | Reply

Wow! That still stinks. Which orifice did you pull that out of again?

Too easy Dorky, it came straight out of the article.

"Ironically, many senior career intelligence officials now freely acknowledge that the task force was right all along about Hezbollah's operational involvement in drug trafficking. "It dates back many years," said one senior Directorate of National Intelligence official.

Meanwhile, Hezbollah -- in league with Iran, Russia and the Assad regime -- has all but overwhelmed the opposition groups in Syria, including those backed by the United States. Hezbollah continues to help train Shiite militants in other hotspots and to undermine U.S. efforts in Iraq, according to U.S. officials. It also continues its expansion in Latin America and, DEA officials said, its role in trafficking cocaine and other drugs into the United States."

According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (considered to be the authoritative source on Syrian casualties) between 346,612–481,612 people have died as of December 10, 2017, of which 120,350 opposition fighters were killed and 100,025 civilians were killed. SOHR estimates that weapons and fighters supplied by Hezbollah count for at least 50% of those casualties, and counts 15,873 Hezbollah fighters dead...you can hopefully do the math.

Syrian Observatory for Human Rights: Hezbollah

#72 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 02:49 PM | Reply

Please don't kill the thread with those pesky facts, Righto.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 02:56 PM | Reply

I know, right? I don't want the Drudge Nanny to sick Frank Cotton on me for eviscerating the lame deflections away from this article.

Back on point, NPR no longer felt it could ignore this story: Politico Reporter Says Obama Administration 'Derailed' Hezbollah Investigation.

It will be interesting to see if CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks can stay away from this story much longer.

#74 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 03:03 PM | Reply

Newsweek just published on it (it's dated the 18th but just popped today): HEZBOLLAH SMUGGLED TONS OF COCAINE INTO THE U.S. DURING OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, REPORT REVEALS

A number of network affiliates (mostly in Red States) are picking it up as well as Business Insider, Bloomberg, the Jerusalem Times, the NY Post and Daily News and the British tabloids, but still no NYT, LAT, CNN, MSNBC or the networks. Strange that they wouldn't pick this up...

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 03:10 PM | Reply

How Obama Let Hezzbollah off the Hook for Iran Nuclear Deal
Wow!

This is almost certain to doom President Obama's reelection chances.

#76 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-20 03:15 PM | Reply

#76

Deflection noted, and it was better than most on this thread.

It will certainly harm his legacy if Congress decides (which it will, on a purely partisan basis) to investigate this.

#77 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 03:19 PM | Reply

Deflection noted, and it was better than most on this thread.

Agreed. It was kind of funny, in a good way.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"It will certainly harm his legacy if Congress decides (which it will, on a purely partisan basis) to investigate this." - #77 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 03:19 PM

It will certainly do no long-lasting harm his legacy... contemporary partisan witch hunt or not.

Did Iran-Contra do any long-lasting harm to Ronald Reagan's legacy?

I refer you to this list for your answer.

#79 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-20 03:32 PM | Reply

It will be interesting to see if CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks can stay away from this story much longer.

#74 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I don't see how they can. Rest assured they'll put the most positive spin on it they can.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 03:40 PM | Reply

#79

Agreed on all counts, but Reagan has had almost 30 years to cement his legacy since he termed out, Obama is less than one year out.

If the Iran deal turns out to be effective (as opposed to Clinton/Bush's deals with NK) then there will be minimal harm regardless of what the witch hunt turns up. If it goes sideways, even arguably with a ill-advised shove from Trump and his band of fools, then this could be very damaging.

#81 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 03:42 PM | Reply

Rest assured they'll put the most positive spin on it they can.

I am sure if they do touch it they will do what Newsweak did and focus solely on the drug smuggling and stay miles away from the money laundering, arms deals and the fact that one of the central figures reported directly to Putin.

Because, well, none of those topics are relevant or important if our brethren on the DR Left in this thread are to be believed.

#82 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 03:46 PM | Reply

"...but Reagan has had almost 30 years to cement his legacy since he termed out..." - #81 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 03:42 PM

And Obama won't have "almost 30 years" as well?

"If it goes sideways, even arguably with a ill-advised shove from Trump and his band of fools, then this could be very damaging."

Selling arms to Iran and then (illegally) using the profits to support the Contras - and lying about it - was also very damaging... then.

Today, almost 30 years later?

#83 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-20 03:51 PM | Reply

Selling arms to Iran and then (illegally) using the profits to support the Contras - and lying about it - was also very damaging... then.
Today, almost 30 years later?

#83 | POSTED BY HANS

I see what you are saying. This thing could potentially harm Obama's legacy in the short-term, but it's not likely to do so in the long term. I don't have a crystal ball but I'm going to predict that you are probably right. I think this was bad policy that caused damage but I'm having a hard time finding anything scandalous about this. He felt the nuke deal was important enough to empower Hezbollah if it was needed to get the deal done. That's foreign policy. It's bad policy IMO, but it was well within his authority to do.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 03:58 PM | Reply

"That's foreign policy. It's bad policy IMO, but it was well within his authority to do."

Wonder what Israel thinks about it.

#85 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-20 04:04 PM | Reply

Stop trying to quibble with me Hans, I agreed with you on all points, and we don't know what effect this will have 30 years from now, which was my point.

#84

I agree, it will be sanitized with the passage of time, as Iran/Contra was, and was also terrible policy but well within Obama's ultimate authority.

#86 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 04:05 PM | Reply

Reagan spent most of his Presidency getting ------------ by Hezbollah and the deplorables still worship that addlepated pissant.

#87 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2017-12-20 04:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"This thing could potentially harm Obama's legacy in the short-term, but it's not likely to do so in the long term." - #84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 03:58 PM

Agreed, JeffJ... along with the rest of your post.

And the reality is that Obama's legacy, especially as it relates historically, is that he was (and will always be) the first African-American president in this country.

He's also the only president in the past half-century of American history who didn't have a special prosecutor investigate either himself or anyone in his administration (even Jimmy Carter had one!).

And even when the economic recovery overseen by Obama is nothing but a distant memory (railroad failures in 1893?), the events of 09/11/2001 were somewhat vindicated by the killing of bin Laden by Obama's order, and 9/11 will most likely be historically remembered as Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima/Nagasaki are historically remembered.

#88 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-20 04:11 PM | Reply

- it came straight out of the article.

lmao... every death in Syria by Hezbollah is because the DEA didn't make a few collars. That's absurd.

The article is chock full of the same kind of absurd presumptions... and people are already starting to point to the bias involved:

"There's no evidence in this story to back up their allegations," former State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said on Fox News. "They quote a couple of low level ideological sources who clearly don't like the Iran deal, but everything I know just doesn't back up this narrative.

Critics have also noted a possible bias of two sources used in Politico's report, Asher and Bauer. Asher now works for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and Bauer works for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies -- think tanks that are notably hawkish on Iran."

www.businessinsider.com

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-20 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ah yes! Marie Harf. She and her counterpart Jen Psaki were nicknamed 'the sorority sisters' for their eye-rolling spin and their public statements that suggested a 19-year old girl's understanding of the world.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 04:32 PM | Reply

"There's no evidence in this story to back up their allegations," former State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said on Fox News.

Except for all of the linked emails, indictments, studies and charts in the article itself. Spokesperson Marie and you obviously both have similar reading comprehension skills.

Critics have also noted a possible bias of two sources used in Politico's report

That's what "critics" do, attack two out of dozens of sources to advance their narrative. I'm certain that those "critics" have plenty of bias themselves.

#91 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 04:35 PM | Reply

#90

"Oh. My. God. Like, nooo waaaay that Prez. Obama would ever do anything bogus like what those guys said happened, as if an "indictment" is a real thing anyway...Seriously."

-Marie Harf

#92 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 04:38 PM | Reply

I'd LOVE to hear what this task force was going to do about Hezzbollah. Do tell us, JeffJ! Write angry letters? Issue search warrants to search their Middle East homes? Maybe say mean things about their mothers?

#93 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-20 04:42 PM | Reply

Wonder what Israel thinks about it.

There is a thing called Google, Danni, try it some time. All from the Jerusalem Post:

CONGRESSMAN URGES US TO INVESTIGATE OBAMA-HEZBOLLAH ACCUSATIONS

IF OBAMA PROTECTED HEZBOLLAH OVER IRAN DEAL, HE SHOULD GIVE BACK NOBEL

THE ISRAELIS WHO CHASED HEZBOLLAH'S CASH BEFORE OBAMA'S ON-AND-OFF FIGHT

#94 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 04:44 PM | Reply

#93

Why don't you read the article, or are the words too big for you Syco?

No one will judge you if you have to sound them out.

#95 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 04:45 PM | Reply

Tell you what Syco, let me help you out: The DEA had investigated and secured indictments of a large number of Hezbollah operatives, including one who reported directly to Putin and Putin's main arms dealer, and were about to arrest them pursuant to 21 U.S.C. §960(a), which as noted in the article:

"The statute allowed DEA agents to operate virtually anywhere, without permission required from other U.S. agencies. All they needed to do was connect drug suspects to terrorism, and they could arrest them, haul them back to the United States and flip them in an effort to penetrate "the highest levels of the world's most significant and notorious criminal organizations," as then-Special Operations chief Derek Maltz (Senior DEA official who as head of Special Operations Division lobbied for support for Project Cassandra and its investigation) told Congress in November 2011."

But senior officials at State and the DOJ refused to let them arrest these people, fearing it would upset the Iran deal.

#96 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 04:53 PM | Reply

Tommy Vietor former National Security Council spokesperson,

@TVietor08
There are many reasonable critiques of Obama's foreign policy. The idea that he was soft on Hezbollah is not one of them. The story is so manufactured out of thin air that it's hard to push back except to say that it's a figment of the imagination of two very flawed sources.
7:18 PM - Dec 19, 2017

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-20 05:05 PM | Reply

Ex-CIA Adviser Denies Report That Obama Thwarted anti-Hezbollah Operation to Save Iran Deal

Brian O'Toole, who was a senior officer in the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control, calls the Politico report 'a grand conspiracy led by Hezbollah'

Brian O'Toole
@brianoftoole

So now these malcontents have their story out in the press after failing to convince everyone else. And what I just read contains what I believe to be heavily classified information that may well end up helping Hezbollah in its CI effforts. I'm disgusted. 8/8

6:01 PM - Dec 18, 2017

According to the Atlantic Council think tank, O'Toole was a CIA adviser and worked in the intelligence department of the Department of the Treasury from 2009 until this year, and then became senior members of the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control and a specialist on sanctions.

O'Toole wrote that he would be careful with what he reveals, because "unlike the many sources cited by name here, I actually intend to honor the non-disclosure agreement I signed with the CIA and treasury."

"What this story and these people allege is a grand conspiracy led by Hezbollah. They'd have you believe it involved multiple world leaders and centers around Hezbollah actively trafficking in narcotics. They've based these assessments on classic analytical overreach, however," added O'Toole.

"It disgusts me that they would go public with this conclusion because no one else in the career civil service would agree with them. These weren't politicals at every turn, but seasoned analysts who knew much more than they did," wrote O'Toole.

He added that in his opinion, the Politico report was possible due to the fact that the sources knew that they would receive "no rebuke" from the Trump administration, which he called "deparate to hammer Iran and unwilling to discuss classified info in public."

He further said the report "may well end up helping Hezbollah."

read more: www.haaretz.com

r0c... helping Hezbollah, lol.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-20 05:11 PM | Reply

from the above link

Other independent journalists have begun investigating into who the quoted sources are in the Politico report. One of them may be Katherine Bauer, who worked in the U.S. Ministry of the Treasury during the Obama Administration.

The report quotes statements made by Bauer to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, in which she said that "these investigations were tamped down for fear of rocking the boat with Iran and jeopardizing the nuclear deal."

The report, however, did not say that Bauer currently works at a research institute founded by AIPAC, which opposes the nuclear deal. David Asher, one of the founders of the operation against Hezbollah, called the Cassandra Project, was also quoted, as saying that the closer they got to a deal with Iran, the more operations were cancelled.

Today Asher works at the Foundations for the Defense of Democracy, a think tank that testified before Congress 17 times against the nuclear deal.

read more: www.haaretz.com

There appears to be real concern about the obvious bias of the sources in the original article.

But as long as it supports the bias of rwingers here, they won't mind.

#99 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-20 05:14 PM | Reply

#99

Two OMG Spokespeople and a former CIA operative from the same group that was trying to block the DEA from doing these things have negative spin on it? Shocking:

"Much of the early turbulence stemmed from an escalating turf battle between federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies over which ones had primacy in the global war on terrorism, especially over a so-called hybrid target like Hezbollah, which was both a criminal enterprise and a national security threat.

The "cops" from the FBI and DEA wanted to build criminal cases, throw Hezbollah operatives in prison and get them to turn on each other. That stoked resentment among the "------" at the CIA and National Security Agency, who for 25 years had gathered intelligence, sometimes through the painstaking process of having agents infiltrate Hezbollah or tracking its assets, and then occasionally launching assassinations and cyberattacks to block imminent threats.

Distrust among U.S. agencies exploded after two incidents brought the cops------- divide into clear relief.

In the waning days of the Bush administration, a DEA agent's cover was blown just as he was about to become a Colombian cartel's main cocaine supplier to the Middle East -- and to Hezbollah operatives.

A year later, under Obama, the State Department blocked an FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force from luring a key eyewitness from Beirut to Philadelphia so he could be arrested and turned against Safieddine and other Hezbollah operatives in a scheme to procure 1,200 Colt M4 military-grade assault rifles.

In both cases, law enforcement agents suspected that Middle East-based spies in the CIA had torpedoed their investigations to protect their politically sensitive and complicated relationship with Hezbollah."

He isn't wrong about harm that could stem from potential disclosure of secret information, but most of the linked evidence was all in unsealed indictments.

#100 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-20 05:30 PM | Reply

"If you want to make the argument that it's still a net positive, have at it."

Maybe you could get the ball rolling by making the argument that it's a net negative.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-20 09:54 PM | Reply

If you want to read about a DEA investigation of an organization implicated in the deaths of thousands of Americans, that was thwarted by politics, read this:
www.msn.com‘we-feel-like-our-system-was-hijacked'-dea-agents-say-a-huge-opioid-case-ended-in-a-whimper/ar-
BBGROlH?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

#102 | Posted by bored at 2017-12-20 10:33 PM | Reply

www.msn.com‘we-feel-like-our-system-was-hijacked'-dea-agents-say-a-huge-opioid-case-ended-in-a-whimper/ar-
BBGROlH?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

#103 | Posted by bored at 2017-12-20 10:36 PM | Reply

more bs. some deal was better than none, was our idea... diplomacy, communication... direction.
repukes want nothing but relgious war... and slavery.

#104 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-21 01:47 AM | Reply

more bs. some deal was better than none, was our idea... diplomacy, communication... direction.
repukes want nothing but relgious war... and slavery.

Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-21 01:47 AM | Reply

Well it's JeffJ What do you expect???? Unicorns???

#105 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-21 01:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Americans have figured out that it is big Pharma who drives the opiod crisis and these DEA, FBI and CIA projects don't really change that. A bunch of unnecessary police actions which could have prevented a deal to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power. Sorry, but one thing is real foreign policy, the other is a bunch of unnecessary and redundant police agencies trying to drive foreign policy to justify their existence.

#106 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 06:48 AM | Reply

The Iran nuclear deal is temporary at best. The moment ship and aircraft based lasers can swat down the Iranian anti-ship missile saturation strategy, they go nuclear. They don't have another option.

#107 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-21 07:51 AM | Reply

"The Iran nuclear deal is temporary at best."

Pragmatic leaders do the best they can in situations which are incredibly complicated and difficult. Delaying a nuclear Iran makes much more sense than worrying about a drug dealing Hezbollah, our own CIA dealt drugs when they wanted the profits to arm the Contras. Don't even expect us to take seriously this foolish nonsense about Hezbollah dealing drugs. It's f*****g laughable. Compared to the nuclear deal, this amounts to nothing more than a ridiculous distraction attempted simply to try and sully Obama's legacy. Unfortunately for the Obamahaters, Obama like all great leaders, isn't concerned about his legacy. The only people who worry about legacies are the failed leaders like G.W Bush, Nixon, Reagan and Trump. Real leaders know what they did, know what they tried to do and understand that intelligent people will recognize that while morons will continue to play politics even long after they are dead. Example: the continued idolization or Reagan. Reagan tripled the national debt and his tax cuts put in motion the forces that have continued to build that debt until today we get more debt building delivered by his successors in the GOP. The Party of Debt. They don't mind borrowing as long as the proceeds end up in their own pockets. Eisenhower would be a Democrat today.

#108 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 08:37 AM | Reply

During the Iraq War, it was common Intel that the EFPs being used against our armor was of Iranian origin, assembled elsewhere and then slipped into Iraq via Syria.

For those of you unfamiliar with EFPs:

NYT 2013:

But they became known as Iranian weapons because American intelligence agencies reported that Iran passed E.F.P. technology to the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, which in turn passed E.F.P. kits to proxy groups fighting in Iraq

atwar.blogs.nytimes.com

#109 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-12-21 08:38 AM | Reply

That's 2013, bitches. 2 years before the Iranian Nuke Deal.

#110 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-12-21 08:41 AM | Reply

Obama like all great leaders, isn't concerned about his legacy.

#108 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-12-21 08:37 AM | REPLY

That is ------- hysterical. Best. Post. Ever.

#111 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-21 08:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I'm giving #111 a NW. Wish I could give it 3.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 10:53 AM | Reply

Obama like all great leaders, isn't concerned about his legacy.

#108 | POSTED BY DANNI

At least Danni has the guts and the spine to say aloud what her convictions are ...

It's not like a President McCain or a President Romney would've benignly fertilized the world with a new wave of enlightened democratic values resulting in flowering the Middle East with pillars of western values.

#113 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-21 11:52 AM | Reply

That is ------- hysterical. Best. Post. Ever.

#111 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

At least Danni has the guts and the spine to say aloud what her convictions are ...

It's not like a President McCain or a President Romney would've benignly fertilized the world with a new wave of enlightened democratic values resulting in flowering the Middle East with pillars of western values.

#114 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-21 11:53 AM | Reply

Not sure your post made any more sense the second time with all italics, Pinch, but bonus points for trying.

#115 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-21 12:22 PM | Reply

#100 |

More supposition, less facts.

Such facts as that the sources of the whiny thread article are extremely biased against the Iran Nuclear Deal now, as they were when they were working for the DEA.

Only now they are being well paid to lobby against it, even if it means helping Hezbollah.

Like I said, there appears to be real concern about the obvious bias of the sources in the original article.

But as long as it supports the bias of rwingers here, they won't mind.

#116 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-21 12:30 PM | Reply

#116 Was the NYT biased against the Nuke Deal, Corky?

#117 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-12-21 01:17 PM | Reply

#117

That article is about IEDs, not this conspiracy theory put forth by paid lobbyists for Israel and paid lobbyists against the Iran Deal.

#118 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-21 01:26 PM | Reply

#118 if you don't see the connection, it's because you don't want to.

#119 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-12-21 01:35 PM | Reply

So you guys think we should be planting more car bombs in the Middle East then? We have to become terrorists to fight terrorists, is that how it works.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-21 01:55 PM | Reply

#119

If you don't see the disconnect when career ------ point at laugh at this conspiracy theory by paid anti-Iran Deal lobbyists, it's because you don't care that it is a totally biased story.

#121 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-21 01:59 PM | Reply

#121

Are you saying they are lying? Are you suggesting that the Obama administration did NOT, in any way, ease up on Hezbollah's criminal and terrorist activities?

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-21 02:03 PM | Reply

Reagan spent most of his Presidency getting ------------ by Hezbollah and the deplorables still worship that addlepated pissant.

This site should have given more love to this comment. "Addlepated pissant" is an epic choice of words.

#123 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-21 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- Are you saying they are lying?

I'm stating the facts. Each of the main three contributors to this conspiracy theory are paid lobbyists against the Iran Nuke Deal, some of them paid by Israel.

Now, that may not strike you as an important bias, but most people would think so. And even IF there was a "tamping down" as the current Israeli lobbyist said, the results of that are blown up in the article as near preposterous proportions as worst case scenarios... as several career CIA and other intel analysts, not political appointees, have made clear.

You might want to read the article again.

www.haaretz.com

#124 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-21 02:14 PM | Reply

This thread, and comments, read like saber rattling by some wannabe warhawk neocons.

Jeff, I can't figure out if you're simply looking for anything to throw at Obama or if you're thirsting for a war.

But either way, gross.

#125 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-21 11:12 PM | Reply

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