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Monday, December 18, 2017

A spokesman for special counsel Robert Mueller has denied accusations by Trump transition lawyers that Mueller's team got unauthorized access to thousands of transition emails. "When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner's consent or appropriate criminal process," the spokesman, Peter Carr, said early Sunday.

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Lawyers representing the transition wrote to members of Congress accusing Mueller's team of obtaining unauthorized access to tens of thousands of transition emails in the course of its Russia investigation, including what they claim to be documents protected by attorney-client privilege.

The transition maintains the emails, which were on a government domain, were its property and should not have been handed over without its approval. The emails in question involve 13 transition officials, including four senior ones, according to the letter.

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Bob Mueller would know better than to taint the investigation with illegally obtained emails.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-18 07:28 AM | Reply

The charge by Russia Coddlers, that the Mueller investigation has improperly obtained emails is unsupported by legal complaint from said Russia coddlers.

Had it any validity, legal challenges by Russia coddlers would have been made. Until this happens, the charge is Fake News.

#2 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-18 10:30 AM | Reply

Trump is on a Hell bound train, staffed with inferior lawyers.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-18 10:41 AM | Reply

OWS

If it had any validity Trump's lawyers would be making the charge not him. Trump, himself, is just throwing feces at the wall to see what sticks with his dwindling base.

Incidentally, "Trump" and "fake" are synonymous. Firing both the Attorney General and Mueller won't stop the investigation. Nor will a pardon indemnify Flynn from testifying.

Trump is a fool if he thinks he's going to beat this case. But then, the word "fool" describes him quite acurately. He's fool enough to try.

#4 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-18 10:54 AM | Reply

Well said, Twin.

#5 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-18 11:07 AM | Reply

Trump is completely out of his depth. He has never had a problem before that he couldn't lie, threaten, or bribe his way out of. That worked in NYC. This is a whole lot bigger than anything in NYC.

#6 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-12-18 11:14 PM | Reply

So the Trump defenders are going to put their defense on the illegality of evidence not on the truthfullness of that evidence and apparently, they are likely to lose. That evidence will be admissable, Trump has some incompetent lawyers, but they compliment his hair.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-18 11:33 PM | Reply

If the emails were unlawfully obtained Trump's lawyers would have had a motion in front of a judge before the ink was dry.

Therefore, Trump has no case and his lawyers know it. So does Mueller.

#8 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-18 11:37 PM | Reply

DANNI

Trump is just a monkey in a cage flinging his poop at passersby.

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-18 11:49 PM | Reply

I bet now they understand why Hillary had a private email server. LOCK HIM UP!

#10 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-12-18 11:51 PM | Reply

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These emails are apparently coveted information. I'm surprised that the transition team was so sloppy. Of course, I understand that they were buoyed by overconfidence and dreams of unfathomable power. But still ~ they had to know that political fortunes can turn on a dime and the idol they worshipped wasn't exactly made of 24k gold. More like pottery clay, in fact.

Whatever these emails contain, I can't wait to find out. I'm betting there are some real zingers about Trump in there. Maybe some not so flattering.

#11 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-19 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...appropriate criminal process...

Freudian slip? Shouldn't he have said "appropriate legal process"?

#12 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-12-19 06:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

TFD

Yes, it probably should have said it that way. Nevertheless, the point was made and that's more important than splitting hairs.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-19 06:50 AM | Reply

I just read the article.

I was laughing that he was whining they were not informed. Police don't inform suspects of their every move. Come on now, don't be a moron. The bank doesn't call you and say the police just requested your records. And thanks to the Patriot act and it's subsequent renewals investigators have a lot more freedom.

The UTTER cluelessness of the Trump team is truly contemptible. Anything on a .gov domain is government property and that is the way it should be. Transition team were engaging in the work for the people so their use of a .gov domain is legitimate and what they should have been using to conduct official government business (which they were conducting). Think Hillary for those of you tRump supporters incapable of understanding what I just said. If GSA was running it that's a good thing for the people. GSA and other were probably gagged by the Patriot Act.

#14 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-19 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I suspect that the Trump team is concerned about accusations of collusion, when instead they are charged with treason it is going to take them by surprise.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 09:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The GSA has also since issued a statement saying that Trump's lawyers are full of... it. That the release was standard procedure.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 10:04 AM | Reply

I suspect that the Trump team is concerned about accusations of collusion, when instead they are charged with treason it is going to take them by surprise.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 09:56 AM |

May God hasten the day.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-19 11:40 AM | Reply

This is hilarious. The culture permeates from the top town.

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-19 12:48 PM | Reply

They weren't acquired illegally.
They were however acquired inappropriately.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 01:18 PM | Reply

There is nothing inappropriate about legally acquiring the communications of suspected conspirators. That's what investigators are supposed to do. It would be incompetent not to.

#20 | Posted by bored at 2017-12-19 01:35 PM | Reply

#20 They didn't follow the regular process. They were unnecessarily heavy-handed. Same holds true of the pre-dawn raid of Manafort's home. He was cooperating with the investigation. A pre-dawn bust-down the door raid with guns drawn was completely unnecessary.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-19 02:28 PM | Reply

The Trump team was asked for their emails, withholding them is against the law and Trumps team only turned over a fraction of the emails, so getting them all was necessary to complete the investigation.
They also found evidence at Manafort's house that he had not shared, therefore the raid was legal and smart. Why are you soft on traitors?

#22 | Posted by bored at 2017-12-19 04:44 PM | Reply

#21 | Posted by JeffJ

Have a link for that?

As for Manafort - he is a traitor. It may not have been "necessary" in your mind but he was apparently NOT fully cooperating and that's why they did it...

#23 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-19 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JEFF

"bust-down the door raid "

Nobody busted down Manafort's door. The FBI picked the lock. Manafort didn't even know they were in the house until they woke him up in his bedroom. It all went so quietly the neighbors didn't even know it had happened.

#24 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-19 06:57 PM | Reply

#20 They didn't follow the regular process. They were unnecessarily heavy-handed. Same holds true of the pre-dawn raid of Manafort's home. He was cooperating with the investigation. A pre-dawn bust-down the door raid with guns drawn was completely unnecessary.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ

You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

And judging by how wrong you've been on every step of russiagate so far, you're probably wrong again.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 07:18 PM | Reply

#20 They didn't follow the regular process. They were unnecessarily heavy-handed. Same holds true of the pre-dawn raid of Manafort's home. He was cooperating with the investigation. A pre-dawn bust-down the door raid with guns drawn was completely unnecessary.
#21 | Posted by JeffJ

Oh for ----- sake! they should have thrown flash bang grenades in his house like they do with dime dealers in the hood.

Farking rightie snowflakes

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-19 07:41 PM | Reply

#20 They didn't follow the regular process. They were unnecessarily heavy-handed. Same holds true of the pre-dawn raid of Manafort's home. He was cooperating with the investigation. A pre-dawn bust-down the door raid with guns drawn was completely unnecessary.
#21 | Posted by JeffJ

Oh for ----- sake! they should have thrown flash bang grenades in his house like they do with dime dealers in the hood.

Farking rightie snowflakes

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-19 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

TruthHurts just made my whole damned day in duplicate.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-19 07:45 PM | Reply

They didn't follow the regular process. They were unnecessarily heavy-handed.
#21 | Posted by JeffJ

Maybe, maybe not. www.lawfareblog.com

#29 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-19 07:46 PM | Reply

Just call me Johnny Two Times, Two Times

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-19 07:46 PM | Reply

A pre-dawn bust-down the door raid with guns drawn was completely unnecessary.

#21 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-12-19 02:28 PM | FLAG:

the feds had serious concerns he would destroy evidence had he known they were coming.

#31 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-12-20 01:55 PM | Reply

A pre-dawn bust-down the door raid with guns drawn was completely unnecessary.

The FBI treated Manafort like a criminal suspect who might destroy evidence. Oh the horror!

Are you really going to tell us that Manafort is too honest for this step to be prudent? His own daughter texted her sister that he "killed people in Ukraine" and the family's money is "blood money."

#32 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-20 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"A pre-dawn bust-down the door raid with guns drawn was completely unnecessary."

They should have called ahead and asked if it would be convenient if they stopped by. If it were you or me I'm sure they would mind their manners when deciding to search our homes for evidence. I remember a Jeff who actually thought, where did he go?

#33 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-20 02:03 PM | Reply

A pre-dawn bust-down the door raid with guns drawn was completely unnecessary.

#21 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

That is so rude to do to multi millionaires who got their money through illegal money laundering and possibly treasonous associations with Russia.

But, those kind of tactics (like dropping a flash bang into a child's crib and shooting the family dog)are perfectly ok if it is to catch someone smoking weed.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-20 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They didn't follow the regular process. They were unnecessarily heavy-handed.
#21 | Posted by JeffJ

Maybe, maybe not. www.lawfareblog.com

#29 | POSTED BY ET_AL


OK. But you've got to admit, the contrast between how this investigation has been conducted and the Hillary investigation was conducted has been stark, to say the least.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 03:47 PM | Reply

The Hillary investigation was used to discredit her presidential campaign 11 days before the election, even though nothing new was found on the laptop to justify any further inquiry. It could have been searched privately without any public comment.

The Russia investigation has been chugging along without the prosecutor seeking publicity. It has been incredibly well-run. Mueller isn't making public comments about what his probe is discovering, unlike Comey.

So, yes, there's a contrast, but not the one you're claiming. Comey screwed over Hillary and helped Trump win. No competent FBI director would ever do what he did so close to an election.

#36 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-20 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#36

I am sitting in my car posting from my phone. I'm about to go shopping. Hopefully I can make it back later to eviscerate that slow hanging curve you just teed up.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-20 07:32 PM | Reply

You should be able to admit that what Comey did 11 days before an election was wrong. If you can't, you are engaging in rank partisanship unworthy of further discussion.

#38 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-21 08:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You should be able to admit that what Comey did 11 days before an election was wrong. If you can't, you are engaging in rank partisanship unworthy of further discussion."

In other words Jeff is acting as he typically does. Is he a paid poster???? Inquiring minds would love an answer to that question, if he is, whoever is paying him is wasting their money. I hope he spends it on some nice gifts for his kids but never reveals how nefarious the source of those funds is.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 09:00 AM | Reply

Jeff isn't a paid poster.

Neither is Danni nor Corky. I know they wish they were paid posters and may even imagine they are paid posters....but they're not.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-21 09:13 AM | Reply

If anyone is getting paid here I want a cut.

#41 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-21 09:43 AM | Reply

I'm getting paid ... in the satisfaction of telling the truth.

Truth-Telling = Integrity = Big Bucks

#42 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-21 09:52 AM | Reply

" I know they wish they were paid posters and may even imagine they are paid posters....but they're not."

No, sorry, never wanted to sell my soul as many conservative posters and pundits have so obviously done. Radio talk show host Randy Rhodes used to talk on her show about the approaches from conservatives who offered her big bucks if she would switch sides, and she is not the only such host to tell similar stories. Whether people know it or not many of the conservative talkers were formerly liberal talkers but then they sold out. In LA a former Miami host, Al Rantel, who always was very liberal until he moved to LA where he became a right wing wack job. Money induces lots of people to change their tune but not me. Realize too, that there is no incentive for liberals to pay talkers or posters because we aren't selling anything that will benefit the wealthy. NOt true for the conservatives. They work like toadies every day for the rich, kissing asses like there is no tomorrow.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 09:59 AM | Reply

RCADE, I don't know who is paid here but from what I've read I think we can be assured that some of the posters are being paid. Could even be paid in rubles for all we know.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 10:01 AM | Reply

There are far more wannabe sophists with delusions of grandeur here than there are paid shills.

#45 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2017-12-21 10:05 AM | Reply

The posters who are getting paid, if any, are the ones who take themselves very seriously on this place.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-21 10:12 AM | Reply

Yeah! Where are my Soros Bucks?

#47 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-21 10:21 AM | Reply

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