Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, December 14, 2017

The fight for the future of the internet just came to a head. The Republican-led Federal Communications Commission voted Thursday to repeal Obama-era net neutrality protections. The repeal passed along a party-line vote. Ajit Pai, the FCC chairman appointed by President Trump, has framed the repeal as getting the government to "stop micromanaging the internet." The move is supported by the telecom industry, which claims existing regulations threaten to hamper broadband investments and innovation. Technology companies and consumer advocacy groups have loudly protested the repeal effort for months, both online and offline, arguing it could spell the end of the internet as we know it. Here's what it all means and what's really at stake.

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I hope Soros buys all the telecoms and simply shuts down traffic to Conservative news sites. It would now be completely legal.

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-14 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The internet just got a lot more expensive and exclusionary for the common person. Prediction: This will not stand. The internet is too important to our society.

#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-14 02:09 PM | Reply

I suspect there will be net neutral internet satellite ISPs entering the market. I hope the stock prices of the ISPs that killed net neutrality go to zero.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2017-12-14 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Man, my head is sore! -Chicken Little, DNC Poultry Department

#4 | Posted by wisgod at 2017-12-14 03:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 3

Wussy is confusing his head with his posterior again.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-14 03:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Any conservative who pretends to know that this action will not limit our freedom or cost us more money is full of crap.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-14 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Man, my head is sore! -Chicken Little, DNC Poultry Department

#4 | POSTED BY WISGOD

I don't think you even know what net neutrality is.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-14 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I take some comfort in knowing that this horrible decision will be stuck in the courts for some time, where its opponents will have a very strong argument against implementation.

The test for whether a proposed rule or regulation by a Federal Agency is permissible is whether the Agency instituted that new regulation in an "arbitrary or capricious" way. That's why the notice and public comment period is so important in administrative law. A reviewing court needs to make sure that any new Agency rules are not simply created on the whim of those Agencies' boards, but rather are the result of careful research. This arbitrary and capricious standard applies to decisions by Agencies to enact new regulations as well as decisions to rescind existing regulations (Motor Vehicles Manufacturers Association v. State Farm, 463 U.S. 29 (1983)).

The court that reviews decisions by major agencies like the FCC is almost always the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. Presently, of the 11 current (non-senior) justices on the DC Circuit, 7 were appointed either by Obama or Clinton. It is not a conservative court.

Since the notice and public comment period in Agency procedure is so important for the reasons above, it's very likely that the liberal DC Circuit (Chief Justice Merrick Garland, remember him?) would find that the rampant use of bots and fraudulent commenting in that period provide substantial evidence that the actions of the FCC in rescinding Net Neutrality rules were arbitrary and capricious. This isn't over."

#8 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2017-12-14 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

Where's Simple Ray to tell us how the parties are the same?

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-14 04:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

so, the Sec of EPA conducts his calls in a sound-proof booth, what else is news.

#10 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-14 04:29 PM | Reply

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#8 nothing arbitrary about it. no law against greed. just look at this chart....

#11 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-14 04:32 PM | Reply

People, please calm down. This is nothing more than a necessary step on our march to make oligarchy great again.

#12 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-12-14 04:33 PM | Reply

'Intentional' event redirects cloud traffic from Apple, Google & others through Russia

Internet traffic coming into and out of Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and other companies was briefly redirected through a Russian provider on Wednesday, in what appears to have been a deliberate move.

appleinsider.com

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-14 04:48 PM | Reply

So the net will be like cable TV?

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-14 05:05 PM | Reply

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#15 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-14 05:07 PM | Reply

Look. We all need to chip in and give the ISPs more money. Just suck it up. Big daddy Trump has to reward his donors with our money.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-14 05:17 PM | Reply

I'll bet Sycopants knows what neutrality is. A choice of restrooms.

#17 | Posted by wisgod at 2017-12-14 06:07 PM | Reply

I'll bet Sycopants knows what neutrality is. A choice of restrooms.

Posted by wisgod at 2017-12-14 06:07 PM | Reply

What does where you tinkle have to do with net neutrality????

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-14 06:15 PM | Reply

I'll bet Sycopants knows what neutrality is. A choice of restrooms.

#17 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Yeah, and as with all Russiapublican ideas, you have separate men's and women's restrooms, you need to pay for both, the women's rest room is smaller and not as nice, you also have to pay for toilet paper, water and soap (but Russiapublicans don't need to wash their hands because it's not in the Bible). Cost of your restroom visit: $3.75.

#19 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-12-14 06:20 PM | Reply

Thanks for the laugh! You sound like an expert!

#20 | Posted by wisgod at 2017-12-14 06:25 PM | Reply

I stand with the American people!

- Dotard J. Trump

#22 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-14 06:51 PM | Reply

Another victory for the rich in the class war.

Too poor to be able to afford fast access? So sorry for you! Get to the back of the line you lazy bums. If only you had lived your life better you could have had fast internet.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-14 07:33 PM | Reply

So, is this going to be like getting the fast pass at Disney world?

I can avoid the long line of regular people and get in a shorter line.....for an additional fee?

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-14 07:39 PM | Reply

This is where this is going, from the LA Times:

The fight now will shift to Capitol Hill.

Democrats in the House and Senate said they would push Congress to halt the FCC's repeal, a move unlikely to succeed with Republican majorities in the House and Senate.

But there is bipartisan support for net neutrality, and some lawmakers want to pass net neutrality legislation that would enshrine some of the principles in law.

That would give the FCC the specific authority to enforce them without using utility-like oversight that some fear could lead to rate regulations and other burdensome regulations. Legislation also would end what both sides of the debate call a merry-go-round of different FCC approaches to the issue depending on which party controls the agency's majority.

"I call on Democrats and Republicans who want to preserve a free and open internet to work together on permanent consumer protections," said Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John Thune (R-S.D.) after the FCC vote.

Once you are done circle flapping, email your Congressperson/Senator and tell them to get off their ass and make net neutrality permanent, which is how it should have been done in the first place.

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-14 07:57 PM | Reply

Who in their right mind goes to an overpriced Disneyland/World??? Especially with loud mouthed children and adults. Not to mention obnoxiously loud rides????

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-14 08:00 PM | Reply

Go in with a plan, wear sunglasses*, and don't be a bitch.

These ideals can be applied to more scenarios than a trip to Disney.

*comfy shoes too.

#27 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-12-14 08:25 PM | Reply

"Who in their right mind goes to an overpriced Disneyland/World???"

Guilty as charged.

I think I'm about done with it. Kids are getting to where they don't want to go anymore.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-14 08:44 PM | Reply

Why is Russia trying to game our system? Why hasn't our President admitted we are being cyber attacked by Russia? When will he admit it and do something about it? Sick! Weak!

FCC Got 444,938 Net-Neutrality Comments From Russian Email Addresses

www.bloomberg.com

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-14 08:47 PM | Reply

"Once you are done circle flapping, email your Congressperson/Senator and tell them to get off their ass and make net neutrality permanent, which is how it should have been done in the first place."

I agree but even smarter would have been to never have allowed right wing crazies to occupy Congress or state legislatures in the first place.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-14 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

Obama's attack on the internet is another top down power grab. Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine. Will target conservative media.
10:58 AM - 12 Nov 2014

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-14 11:55 PM | Reply

Eric Schneiderman‏ @AGSchneiderman

Eric Schneiderman Retweeted Slate
If you haven't checked to see if your identity was used without your consent to make a fake #netneutrality comment, head to our search now:
ag.ny.gov

Slate‏ @Slate

Was your identity stolen to help repeal net neutrality? This tool can help you find out: slate.me

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-14 11:58 PM | Reply

New York attorney general to sue following net neutrality repeal

Other states will likely follow in the coming days

www.techspot.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-15 12:09 AM | Reply

Who in their right mind goes to an overpriced Disneyland/World??? Especially with loud mouthed children and adults. Not to mention obnoxiously loud rides????

#26 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

No one goes there any more. It's too crowded.

#34 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-12-15 03:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

GAL

I see the repeal of net neutrality as the forerunner to state controlled media . . . and dictatorship. Foreign countries with authoritarian governments always resort to choking off any media outlet that threatens their control of the population.

And now here we are.

#35 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-15 05:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You can't repeal something that never existed in the first place. The loopholes are well documented.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-15 08:07 AM | Reply

Woah, cool. "I" didn't comment but I found a dissenting comment from my cousin. Awesome, and kinda creepy.

#37 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-12-15 10:26 AM | Reply

Saw a tweet this morning where someone's 71 year old grandmother made three comments promoting deregulation during the public comment period...she passed away in March of 2016. Spunky old gal that one.

#38 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-12-15 11:11 AM | Reply

I'll bet Sycopants knows what neutrality is. A choice of restrooms.

#17 | POSTED BY WISGOD

That was pretty lame. Rather disappointed in you.

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-15 12:08 PM | Reply

"I can avoid the long line of regular people and get in a shorter line.....for an additional fee?
#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Only an id pays for a Fastpass. They're free.

#40 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-12-15 12:12 PM | Reply

#38 Yeah, I saw that too:

Mackenzie Astin‏ @MackenzieAstin

Hey, @AjitPaiFCC, today my mom would have turned 71. But she didn't. Because she died in March of 2016. Can you please take the time to explain to me how she made three separate comments in support of ending #NetNeutrality more than a year after she died?
4:06 PM - 14 Dec 2017

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-15 12:18 PM | Reply

To check for fake comments and report them, go here:

Recently, concerns have emerged that the FCC's online public comment function related to proposed changes to net neutrality may be contaminated by fake comments.

Type your name below and review the results to make sure comments were not submitted falsely on your behalf.

badcomments.attorneygeneral.gov

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-15 12:20 PM | Reply

Just another example of how near-sighted humans are. All that's happening is that the Internet is being turned into cable TV. When cable became a thing, it was the wild west. It wasn't until the government stepped in and made their rules that allowed cable to be restricted and ushered in the era of the mega-brand companies we all know today...and hate. So while this will undoubtedly stifle competition and create regional areas where people are only allowed to use one or two companies and be limited to enjoying only what they decide to subscribe to, it won't stop the nature of the medium. Everyone will still be able to access the information they need. Additionally, there are many more avenues of access than cable so there are more ways to get around anything the net neutrality rules protected us from that are no longer in place. But like everything else, there are a bunch of morons who have no idea what they are talking about crying about something they don't understand.

#43 | Posted by humtake at 2017-12-15 01:23 PM | Reply

I guess it is all in how one views and uses the net. I was online for many years before 2015 and my services, activities have remained the same in both cases. For most users this is nonevent as opposed to TEOTWAWKI.

#44 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-12-15 03:05 PM | Reply

But like everything else, there are a bunch of morons who have no idea what they are talking about crying about something they don't understand.

#43 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2017-12-15 01:23 PM | REPLY

He says after a wall of text that proves he does not understand why net neutrality is important.

every packet of information has a source IP and a destination IP. from a network engineering point of view it is extremely easy to block or throttle communication based on either source or destination An ISP has three avenues of revenue generation. Just like a cable company can limit which channels you get and whether you get them in HD or not, So too the ISP can do the same. You want to go to ESPN.com? You need to buy the sports package add-on. That is the first avenue they can control. The next is on the website end. You have comcast? Sorry smallsite.com can only afford to be carried by frontier. Only frontier customers can see that site. The third avenue and possibly the one that will cause the biggest rise in rates in bridging. You want to view a website hosted on an ISP in florida from Seattle? The ISPs in between can all ask for a cut. your 60Mb service contract ends where they hand off to another ISP. The other ISP no longer has to accept and forward all traffic.

What this means is a lot more fine print in your ISP service agreements and higher costs for both the end user client and the business client

#45 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-12-15 03:25 PM | Reply

#45 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2017-12-15 03:25 PM | REPLY

All of that could lawfully exist under what was repealed.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-15 03:31 PM | Reply

It is about time that gov control of us went away.

#47 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-12-15 04:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sniper defend that. Why is everything man for himself better than regulations to protect the people of our nation from unfettered greed?

#48 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-12-15 08:33 PM | Reply

"It is about time that gov control of us went away."

Us?
Are you an Internet Service Provider?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-15 08:48 PM | Reply

"I guess it is all in how one views and uses the net. I was online for many years before 2015 and my services, activities have remained the same in both cases. For most users this is nonevent as opposed t"

This is, apparently, the approved Fox News talking point. I've read similar all over the internet. You could have said, hey broadcast TV is still readily available 3 decades ago, but could that person have predicted the power cable TV would have today? Absolutely not. I know, I witnessed the change. The same thing will happen to the internet, a few very large corporations will own it, they'll charge you what they want to use it and they will control what you can do on it and if you are like a progressive talk show on the radio in 1990, they can and will take away your right to "broadcast" or be on the internet. This is a right wing coup that most folks are not savvy enough to recognize but it will stifle oppositional discussion and that is what Trump and the Republican Party want.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-15 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But like everything else, there are a bunch of morons who have no idea what they are talking about crying about something they don't understand.
#43 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2017-12-15 01:23 PM | REPLY"

Self retorting retort. I'm still laughing at that one!

I wanted to post more but I don't like to kick an idiot when he is down.

#51 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-15 09:26 PM | Reply

2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.

2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones.

2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)

2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their --------. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)

2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.

Links at reddit www.reddit.com

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-15 10:08 PM | Reply

Has anyone else's internet connection sucked balls tonight?

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-16 12:39 AM | Reply

Has anyone else's internet connection sucked balls tonight?

Posted by jpw at 2017-12-16 12:39 AM | Reply

Cable's too small to suck balls. Sorry

#54 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-16 12:48 AM | Reply

Has anyone else's internet connection sucked balls tonight?

#53 | POSTED BY JPW

Have you paid the toll? You have to pay extra for the suck balls channel now. That's what a friend told me.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-16 03:23 AM | Reply

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