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Saturday, December 09, 2017

Tax experts are in widespread agreement that the GOP tax cuts are bad policy -- a giveaway to the rich paid for by the middle class and poor, with little upside for the economy. But Congress writes legislation that experts hate all the time. What's really striking is that the people Congress is supposed to represent also hate the GOP tax cuts, with only around 30 percent of Americans expressing approval. ... So give Republicans credit: Alienating a substantial majority of citizens while adding at least $1 trillion to the deficit isn't easy. A trillion dollars in borrowed money should buy a lot of good will, especially when you can rely on a conservative media echo-chamber to back you up and your voting base is inclined to support you no matter what. So what's going on? The answer can be broken down into two parts: motives and means. Republicans are advancing these initiatives because they really, really want to and because they think they can.

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Republicans are undaunted: Poll numbers that would once have stopped them in their tracks haven't even slowed them down.

Surely, leaders in the past sometimes wanted to pursue unpopular aims, but didn't for reasons of political survival. So why are Republicans seemingly unfazed by the unpopularity of their initiatives? ...

What we do know is that Republicans expect that they can stick it to voters and still hold onto power. Whether or not they're correct, they're sending an alarming message about the fragile state of American democracy: For the people currently wielding power in Washington, the preferences of the American people count for very little.

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They see what Trump gets away with and figure, "what the hell, so can we!". With 30-something percent of the public, they can get by. And in the far rwing districts that's enough. The problem for them will be in the more moderate districts, which is why some Republicans analyts already figure they will lose the House next year because Trump.

thehill.com

Besides which, they really just don't care about public opinion because their base doesn't care.

www.marketwatch.com

Trump has effectively demeaned the media as fake so that the base doesn't care because why should they? They don't buh-lieve the news anyway.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-10 01:12 AM | Reply

So why are Republicans seemingly unfazed by the unpopularity of their initiatives? ...

Social justice issues trump economic issues. As long as republicans are on the "right side" of social justice issues, they can get away with picking the pockets of the average republican voter.

Until the Great Recession, the average republican was able to weather economic storms better than the average democrat. However, once the Great Recession hit, the average republican experienced much greater economic turmoil than ever before: their jobs disappeared, their savings disappeared, they died earlier, family members got hooked on drugs, etc. Then along comes Trump, who promised to end their economic suffering yet hewed to the same social justice ideology.

Now, before you get your panties in a bunch, I recognize that many Obama voters voted for Trump. They did so, not because of Trump's social justice positions but because of his economic promised: mostly more and better jobs; bringing jobs back, etc. However, Trump's popularity has been falling and I believe that it is those former Obama voters that have finally seen Trump for what he is: a lying POS.

#2 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-12-10 05:26 AM | Reply

I don't believe that Trump thinks as deeply as the experts. Number !, obviously, is his legislative record sucks big time ~ so he's desperate to have something to show, even if it means trading long term loss for short term gain.. Number 2, I believe, is that both he and congress need to keep the money flowing from their cash cows (corporate donors) so they can stay in business. Number 3, in my opinion, is the tried and true faith they have in (a) the stupidity of American voters; and (b) their equally tried and true ability to manipulate and obfuscate the facts to hide the truth behind the tax law's true agenda.

Trump seems to have the Republican party, abject cowards one and all, dancing on the end of a string. Paul Ryan has proven himself to be a real pig. These are the people who hold our future (not to mention our lives) in their hands. They don't seem to mind the blood stains either.

On a lower scale, which is more in line with Trump's infant mentality, is his deranged, control freak pathology that compels him to punish and wreak havoc on America itself for denying him the brass ring of politics ~ the popular vote. Hatred and rage, fueled by his own insecurity, (masked by narcissism) are his own personal demons and driving forces.

I also think that Trump would not hesitate to start a war with North Korea if he thought for a moment that Russia and China had his back. So far, they don't. As far as I can see, nobody has his back and he's too much of a coward to go it alone in spite of all his reckless rhetoric, bloviating and bluster.

#3 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-10 07:28 AM | Reply

The primary rule here is "Get it while you can, tomorrow may never come". Another consideration is they do not want to go into 2018 against the claim they are incapable of legislating anything, no matter how awful it may be.

#4 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-10 07:36 AM | Reply

Legal Pot 64% support
Single Payer Health Care 58% support
DACA 60% support

Lets get real here it's been a long time since any congress gave a crap about what the voters want. They keep getting away with it so why should they start to care?

#5 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-12-10 07:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The only experts that want to keep the old system are the tax lawyers and tax prep accountants.

#6 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-12-10 10:17 AM | Reply

Their only concern is class warfare and their undying allegiance to the 1%

#7 | Posted by squinch at 2017-12-10 10:18 AM | Reply

"The only experts that want to keep the old system are the tax lawyers and tax prep accountants."

And anyone who can read and do math.

Tell me: Why are you for this tax bill, when you will clearly, undoubtedly get screwed by it? Claims it's a) a "middle class that cut" which will b) drive up wages and c) add jobs is a lie, a lie, and a lie, in that order. 62% goes to the richest, and that's only until YOUR cuts expire, when it's more like 80%.

Why are you still in favor of it?

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-10 10:27 AM | Reply

#8,

Stop whining. And it's not as bad as you make out. You had your chance. 8 years of it. You screwed up the economy. Turned us from an economy with good paying jobs to one that's a service economy of minimum wage jobs. You were hostile toward business. One of the most hostile administrations in years.

It's time for another approach. And you cant scare the average American. We understand your bait and switch. The American people have figured out Democrats and they arent going to fall for it anymore.

While you Dems are doing everything you can with small scandals and such, the American people are basically ignoring you. Hiring the Republicans anyway. It's time for a new way.

Just sit down and shut up.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-10 11:09 AM | Reply

Boaz talking out of his ass again I see. Not surprising considering that's all he's got.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-10 11:16 AM | Reply

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"it's not as bad as you make out. "

Just because you don't understand math doesn't mean this tax code doesn't screw you, royally.

"It's time for another approach."

Not this one; it squeezes the last drops of money out of America, and hands it to multinational giants. The recipients have already admitted it's not going to do what the politicians are telling you.

"You had your chance. 8 years of it. You screwed up the economy. "

Are you a farking idiot? Look at the economy Obama was handed, and look at the economy he handed off.

Somebody is feeding you ---------, Boaz. And you're lapping it up.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-10 11:19 AM | Reply

They lose either way, but they lose bigger if they don't have an "accomplishment" to point to as justification for voters giving them control of all three branches of government.

#12 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-12-10 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They lose either way, but they lose bigger if they don't have an "accomplishment" to point to as justification for voters giving them control of all three branches of government.

#12 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-12-10

I don't think these people think beyond any given week any more. This week it's screwing over their voters. They'll act shocked and amazed the week their voters hit them back.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-10 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just sit down and shut up.

#9 | Posted by boaz at

Doesn't sound very American to me.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-10 11:59 AM | Reply

Boaz wants my tax dollars, just not my opinion.

Especially when it's based on non-Republican math.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-10 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Doesn't sound very American to me.

#14 | Posted by Zed

How did it sound when Obama said it?

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-10 12:42 PM | Reply

#16

If Obama was so bad why would you behave like he did?

Just admit you'll say whatever is necessary to justify your positions that have been spoon fed to you from Faux News.

But there is hope. Admit you're a useful idiot and improve from there.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-10 01:34 PM | Reply

Lets get real here it's been a long time since any congress gave a crap about what the voters want. They keep getting away with it so why should they start to care? - #5 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-12-10 07:51 AM
I disagree. Each individual representative gives a crap out their individual voters. The same reason that the majority of people voted for the loser of the presidential election, is the same reason that congress doesn't represent the 'will of the people'. They aren't supposed to.

#18 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-10 02:27 PM | Reply

a crap out = a crap about (sorry)

#19 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-10 02:28 PM | Reply

#19

No they don't. I have written both congress and senators and in both cases I have gotten form letters that say "while we value your opinion we are doing 'the thing we want' because..."

At least one of the times the overall local sentiment was strongly against what I wrote about. The congressman simply ignored my opinion as well as the majority of his constituents. Needless to say he was still re-elected. So next time he wants to ignore us he will feel even safer.

We won't even talk about my state government. If more than 20% of voters paid attention to local elections not a one of them would ever be re-elected. Yet rarely do we see a new state rep win. Of course in both cases that is on the voters and their apathy. They will complain about the policies but not bother to vote for new people.

America won't be undone by Trump or Republicans but by sheer laziness.

#20 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-12-10 03:03 PM | Reply

TAO

It's true. Voters are easily duped. Voters don't seem to notice that the only time Congress critters care about our opinion is about a month before they want to get re-elected. Then it's all rolled up sleeves and bluejeans as they try to portray themselves as "one of us." It's all such a big farce.

Behind the scenes, they're selling us out to corporations that pay for favors.

#21 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-11 03:10 AM | Reply

Why Isn't the GOP Worried about Voter Opinion?

Why? Because they can rely on Boaz and Sniper and millions just like them that will lap up their lies and propaganda as facts and support them no matter what.

#22 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-11 02:00 PM | Reply

726

I know people like that. They also believe that reptilians are colonizing the center of the earth. The deaf, dumb and blind never cease to amaze me.

#23 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-11 04:45 PM | Reply

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