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Minnesota Sen. Al Franken says he'll resign in the coming weeks. He's repeatedly apologized as several women accused him of sexually inappropriate behavior, and as his support from fellow Democrats evaporated. The Minnesota lawmaker took to the Senate floor to say, "I may be resigning my seat, but I am not giving up my voice." He says he'll addressing issues as an activist. ... Franken says he can't go through a Senate Ethics Committee investigation and effectively represent his state at the same time.

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While I'm glad he's not giving up his voice, I'm not sure that someone accused by several women of sexual assault should be lending his voice to too many subjects. Hopefully the issue won't disappear and the ethics investigation continues and exonerates him (if applicable).

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I'm not sure that someone accused by several women of sexual assault should be lending his voice to too many subjects

Trump chimes in daily on a vast array of subjects.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-07 12:48 PM | Reply

Now it's time for Trump and Moore to step down.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-07 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yeah! Whatabout Trump and Moore?!?

#3 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-07 01:28 PM | Reply

"Whatabout Trump and Moore?!?"

The bastards need to go.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-07 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What about Dingell-Norwood?!?"

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-12-07 02:01 PM | Reply

He did the right thing. An actual apology would have been nice though...

#6 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-12-07 02:20 PM | Reply

It seems to me the women's rights movement has made clear that you should always attack the victim. If you try to take an conciliatory position and apologize for any misunderstanding, you will be assumed to be guilty.

It is pretty clear that they are pushing the "call the accusers liars and deny all wrongdoing" strategy to the forefront. Because there is obviously ZERO advantage of following the strategy Franken did.

#7 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-12-07 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7

Except Senator Franken didn't actually admit to any wrongdoing...

Also, there is more than one kind of "advantage."
Isn't doing the right thing the greatest "advantage" of them all?

#8 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-12-07 02:26 PM | Reply

the inmates are running the asylum...

#9 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2017-12-07 02:29 PM | Reply

It s a bummer to see Franken go out like this, but it shows that Democrats are taking these kinds of allegations seriously. A pity that Republicans can't say the same thing. The support for Roy Moore shows a party that has completely surrendered to depravity in pursuit of power.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-07 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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What a -----.

#12 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-07 02:30 PM | Reply

What a -----.

#12 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2017-12-07 02:30 PM | FLAG:

You know what they say: better to be one than to brag about grabbing one.

#13 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-12-07 02:35 PM | Reply

Bernie Sanders thinks Trump should consider resigning over sexual misconduct

www.yahoo.com

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 02:36 PM | Reply

this just in-

Chico Escuela has been confirmsd as Al Franken's replacement.

#15 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2017-12-07 02:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Anybody who does the kind of things he admitted to should ne disqualified from office regardless of their politics.

Good riddance.

#16 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-12-07 02:39 PM | Reply

surrendered to depravity in pursuit of power.

#10 | POSTED BY RCADE

I don't know about the whole GOP but I can tell you for a fact that depravity and Roy Moore have been close friends for a lot of years, as have depravity and Donald Trump.

I can think of several prominent Gop-ers who are not moral degenerates. It is no accident that those GOP folks despise Trump and Moore.

#17 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-07 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Anybody who does the kind of things he admitted to should ne disqualified from office regardless of their politics."

He admitted to no wrongdoing. Listen to his resignation speech.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"It s a bummer to see Franken go out like this, but it shows that Democrats are taking these kinds of allegations seriously."

No, it doesn't. It shows that Democrats are kneejerk reactionaries bound and determined to circumvent the Ethics committee process in order to seize what they think is the moral high ground in the hope of capturing the more of women's vote in the future. Instead what they have accomplished is to establish an unwise precedent ("all accusers are brave women who must be believed") and further tear apart the Democratic party. Many Democrats are very upset about this, including many women. So much winning!

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Franken was an excellent senator. If he did do the things he has been accused of he absolutely should resign. If he didn't do them I hope he fights and clears his name and runs to reclaim his seat as soon as he can.

#20 | Posted by qcp at 2017-12-07 02:54 PM | Reply

Even if he's guilty, he'll be re-elected. Voters have proven they don't care.

#22 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-12-07 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

to me, there is a difference in a claim made recent to the 'attack' and a claim made 20-30 years later.

Trump and Moore both had incidents documented recent to the attack, but were swept under the rug.

#23 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-07 02:59 PM | Reply

see Marion Barry - illegal acts mean nothing to voters

#24 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-12-07 03:00 PM | Reply

Yeah , I don't think he was a real creep. He was a professional comedian before he got into politics. He was just doing that jerky SNL sense of humor which was really out of place in the Senate. Just a sincere apology and a promise to reform I think would've been appropiate.

And also maybe have him wear the "Electric Sex Pants" for awhile:

www.youtube.com

#25 | Posted by shane at 2017-12-07 03:04 PM | Reply

One of the allegations against Franken was that he squeezed a woman's waist twice while they were having a picture taken together. Take a look at this video of Trump on stage squeezing a woman's waist it looks like twice. It also looks like his hand moves up to briefly cup her breast at the end (another allegation against Franken):

twitter.com

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 03:09 PM | Reply

I moved on her like a bitch. I don't even ask. I just grab them by the -----.

Donald J. Trump,
POTUS, Hero of the Right

#27 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-12-07 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

When I heard this accusation I thought it sounded like BS. It was just too much like Trump's Access Hollywood comment:

Woman Says Al Franken Told Her An Unwanted Kiss Was His ‘Right As An Entertainer'

www.huffingtonpost.com

When I read that quote to a friend, he immediately said, "No way. That's not believable."

Words like railroaded, witch-hunt and Project Veritas are being cited by Democrats angry at Kristen Gillibrand, my senator, for "throwing Franken under the bus" "without due process."

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 03:17 PM | Reply

"I moved on her like a bitch. I don't even ask. I just grab them by the -----."

Now that's my kind of Alpha Male!
Signed,
UnCucked Right-Wingers

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-07 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It seems to me the women's rights movement has made clear that you should always attack the victim. If you try to take an conciliatory position and apologize for any misunderstanding, you will be assumed to be guilty.
It is pretty clear that they are pushing the "call the accusers liars and deny all wrongdoing" strategy to the forefront. Because there is obviously ZERO advantage of following the strategy Franken did.

#7 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL

You mean the Republicans have made it clear...

Sarah Huckabee Sanders said it herself. The reason Franken and Trump are not the same is Franken admitted what he did and Trump didn't.

You want someone to blame, its the Republicans.

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-07 03:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Donald Trump visited the set of a soap opera and made sexually explicit remarks about groping women that were caught on tape. The Washington Post reported on the video two days before the second presidential debate.

The comments come in a campaign where Trump's opponent, Hillary Clinton, has repeatedly attacked Trump for sexist comments and disparaging women.

Below is a transcript of Trump's comments from the video, as well as two apologies Trump issued after the video's release. As a warning, some of the language is explicit.

Trump's soap opera set conversation

In 2005, Trump was visiting the set of Days of our Lives to make a cameo on the show. His comments were to Billy Bush, then of Access Hollywood, prior to the planned taping of a segment for Access Hollywood. Bush has also apologized for the conversation. Trump and Bush spoke on a bus before leaving it to meet Arianne Zucker, an actress from Days of our Lives. It's unclear who they are talking about as the video starts.

Trump: "I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and ---- her. She was married."

Unidentified man: "That's huge news there."

Trump: "No, no. Nancy. No this was -- And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I'll show you where they have some nice furniture.' I took her out furniture– I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony ---- and everything. She's totally changed her look."

Bush: "Sheesh, your girl's hot as ----, in the purple."

Trump: "Whoa! Whoa!"

Bush: "Yes. Yes, the Donald has" (unintelligible)

Unidentified man: "Wait, wait you've got to look at me when you get out and be like ... will you give me the thumbs up? You've got to put the thumbs up."

(crosstalk)

Trump: "Alright, you and I will walk down."

(unintelligible)

Trump: "Maybe it's a different one."

Bush: "It better not be the publicist. No, it's her. It's her."

Trump: "Yeah, that's her, with the gold. I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. I just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

Unidentified man: "Whatever you want."

Trump: "Grab them by the -----. You can do anything."

Unidentified man: "Yeah, those legs, all I can see is the legs."

Trump: "Oh, it looks good."

Unidentified man: "Come on, shorty."

Trump: "Oh, nice legs, huh?"

Bush: "Oof, get out of the way, honey. Oh, that's good legs. Go ahead."

Trump: "It's always good if you don't fall out of the bus. Like Ford. Gerald Ford, remember?"

Bush: "Down below. Pull the handle."

Trump: "Hello. How are you? Hi."

Arianne Zucker: "Hi, Mr. Trump. How are you? Pleasure to meet you."

Trump: "Terrific, terrific. You know Billy Bush?"

Bush: "Hello, nice to see you. How are you doing, Arianne?"

Zucker: "I'm doing very well, thank you. (To Trump) Are you ready to be a soap star?"

Trump: "We're ready, let's go. Make me a soap star.
____________________________________________________________________________________
Here, then, is his admission that the tape is real, and admits that he said these things:

"I've never said I'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I'm not. I've said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more-than-a-decade-old video are one of them"...Donald J. Trump

#31 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-07 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sarah Huckabee Sanders said it herself. The reason Franken and Trump are not the same is Franken admitted what he did and Trump didn't.

You want someone to blame, its the Republicans."

Except Franken didn't admit to any wrongdoing. Listen to his resignation speech. I blame the media as well as Democrats and Republicans for mischaracterizing Franken's original apology, the media and Democrats for lumping all sexual harassment allegations into one boat, and Democrats for forcing Franken out of office without an ethics investigation.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Except Franken didn't admit to any wrongdoing. Listen to his resignation speech. I blame the media as well as Democrats and Republicans for mischaracterizing Franken's original apology, the media and Democrats for lumping all sexual harassment allegations into one boat, and Democrats for forcing Franken out of office without an ethics investigation.

#32 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

In his resignation speech, no. In his previous comments with the original accuser, yes.

But it doesn't make any difference.

That's literally the difference between the two. Franken didn't just come out and deny it entirely. So Franken has to resign and Trump stays at President according to Sanders.

#33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-07 03:40 PM | Reply

"In his resignation speech, no. In his previous comments with the original accuser, yes."

He apologized for the fake groping photo, that was all. He said the photo was meant as a joke but was in poor taste. He said he remembered "the kiss" differently. He did not admit to nor apologize for sexually harassing anyone. In his speech today he said his previous comments were misinterpreted.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's literally the difference between the two. Franken didn't just come out and deny it entirely. So Franken has to resign and Trump stays at President according to Sanders."

Franken's photo and Trump's "boy talk" could be seen as equivalent if you believe Trump's comments were just boy talk (I don't). Trump did apologize for those immediately after the tape came out. Now he claims the tapes were fake.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, it doesn't. It shows that Democrats are kneejerk reactionaries bound and determined to circumvent the Ethics committee process in order to seize what they think is the moral high ground in the hope of capturing the more of women's vote in the future.

I'm not thrilled by the resignation, but I don't know what you would expect Democratic Senators to do after so many Franken allegations were reported in the media. Most of the public believes Franken cops a feel when he takes photos with women. For Democrats to stand with him now would enrage many people supporting the #MeToo movement and women who come forward to report how they were sexually abused by men.

If Franken is innocent he should have stayed in the Senate and defended his good name.

He could have stuck it out or even switched his party ID to independent. He gave up. There's no point fighting for him when he wouldn't fight for himself.

#36 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-07 03:58 PM | Reply

For Democrats to stand with him now would enrage many people supporting the #MeToo movement and women who come forward to report how they were sexually abused by men."

I think that was the calculation, yes, but I've seen a number of women who say they were sexually abused come out against this move, saying they know the difference between real sexual harassment and BS and that the allegations against Franken are BS in their minds. Dems didn't need to force Franken out though. Calling for an investigation, which had already begun, meant they were taking the allegations seriously. Saying that all accusers, even those who remain anoynymous and unvetted, must be believed is dangerous and naive. Not just in the halls of Congress but in any workplace.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I smell a right winged hit job on Franken because their house isn't in order.

#38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-07 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This allows Dems to go back on the offensive against Moore and Trump. And label the GOP the party of pedophiles.

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-07 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tom Arnold‏ @TomArnold

I'm #MeToo & don't doubt any other woman but the Leeann Tweeden-John Phillips-Roger Stone lies & set up of Al Franken were part of a larger smear campaign against Al initiated at the same time Leeann came out at KABC. I have proof. Leeann knows it. It's a disservice to victims.
8:09 PM - 6 Dec 2017

If Arnold really has proof, he needs to come forward and give it to someone, who can do some good with it, and not just yap about it on Twitter.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll admit I wasn't thrilled when Franken ran. I saw him as a clown from SNL. I have to say he seemed like he did a pretty good job.

This sucks. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve what's happening because I don't know what he has really done.

39

I agree...the dems are in a position to hit a little harder now.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-07 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Former Congressman Harold Ford Jr. Fired For Misconduct By Morgan Stanley

www.huffingtonpost.com

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 04:46 PM | Reply

The only reason the Democrats turned their backs on him is because he'll be replaced by "her" as Al said today.
That takes about as much guts as a field dressed boar.

#43 | Posted by wisgod at 2017-12-07 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tina Fey accused Al of grabbing her ass today. Her Husband didnt comment.

#44 | Posted by wisgod at 2017-12-07 05:14 PM | Reply

Franken's resignation means the following to Republicans and Republican operatives:

1. That accusations of sexual harassment can end the career of a Democratic politician but not a Republican politician, meaning that the Democrats have a major weak spot that Republicans don't have.

2. That Democrats will cave in and throw other Democrats under the bus without even demanding an ethics investigation first so that trial by media is enough to produce a resignation.

3. That the intense media coverage of sex scandals will distract the media and much of the public from bad GOP policy such as the tax bill given that sex issues are more exciting and juicy than dry policy debates like tax cuts.

#45 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-07 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Idiocracy continues to reign supreme throughout the land!

#46 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-12-07 05:41 PM | Reply

He did the right thing. An actual apology would have been nice though...
#6 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-12-07 02:20 PM | FLAG:

He did apologize...

Franken first told reporters, "I certainly don't remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann. As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn't. I shouldn't have done it."

Franken then issued this statement:

"The first thing I want to do is apologize: to Leeann, to everyone else who was part of that tour, to everyone who has worked for me, to everyone I represent, and to everyone who counts on me to be an ally and supporter and champion of women. There's more I want to say, but the first and most important thing -- and if it's the only thing you care to hear, that's fine -- is: I'm sorry.

"I respect women. I don't respect men who don't. And the fact that my own actions have given people a good reason to doubt that makes me feel ashamed.

"But I want to say something else, too. Over the last few months, all of us -- including and especially men who respect women -- have been forced to take a good, hard look at our own actions and think (perhaps, shamefully, for the first time) about how those actions have affected women.

"For instance, that picture. I don't know what was in my head when I took that picture, and it doesn't matter. There's no excuse. I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself. It isn't funny. It's completely inappropriate. It's obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture. And, what's more, I can see how millions of other women would feel violated by it -- women who have had similar experiences in their own lives, women who fear having those experiences, women who look up to me, women who have counted on me.

"Coming from the world of comedy, I've told and written a lot of jokes that I once thought were funny but later came to realize were just plain offensive. But the intentions behind my actions aren't the point at all. It's the impact these jokes had on others that matters. And I'm sorry it's taken me so long to come to terms with that.

"While I don't remember the rehearsal for the skit as Leeann does, I understand why we need to listen to and believe women's experiences.

"I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.

"And the truth is, what people think of me in light of this is far less important than what people think of women who continue to come forward to tell their stories. They deserve to be heard, and believed. And they deserve to know that I am their ally and supporter. I have let them down and am committed to making it up to them."

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 05:54 PM | Reply

Except Senator Franken didn't actually admit to any wrongdoing...
#8 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-12-07 02:26 PM | FLAG:

You ignorance is on full display.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 05:55 PM | Reply

Bernie Sanders‏ @SenSanders

We have a president who acknowledged on tape that he assaulted women. I would hope that he pays attention to what's going on and think about resigning.
9:25 AM - 7 Dec 2017

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We must believe the brave women coming forward at this time." Um, even the fake, phony, possibly non-existent ones?

Twitter Account With Two Fake IDs Accused a Democrat of Assault. Then Pro-Trump Sites Ran With It.

Linda Flores emerged on Twitter to allege that she was assaulted by Sen. Richard Blumenthal. He denies it. And she may not actually exist.

www.thedailybeast.com

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 07:08 PM | Reply

By the way, where's all the women he wronged?

Look who crawled out from under his rock.

Do yourself a favor and use Google. It's amazing what those search results come up with.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 09:21 PM | Reply

He didn't apologize in his fairwell address is all I am saying.

#53 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-12-07 09:24 PM | Reply

There are days when I hate the Democratic party. Today is one of those days. Today is also the day I have come to hate the #metoo movement. If supporting the movement requires believing every accuser and denying the accused a fair hearing, I want no part of it. Nor do I respect anyone who does. I'm looking at you, Senator Gillibrand and other Democratic Senators, especially the women, who have jumped on your moral high ground horses and seem to have lost all common sense. Who the hell in their right mind thinks we must always believe any person or group of people, no questions asked, and that asking questions constitutes an attack? There are two groups I can think of: Roy Moore supporters who believe him, no questions asked, and all of you, who want us to believe every accuser everywhere, no questions asked. A plague on both your houses.

"That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be."

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-08 01:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

53. Exactly he didn't admit guilt nor apologize. While posing as a champion of women's rights he's the perfect example of.... a hypocrite!!

#55 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2017-12-08 09:02 AM | Reply

Scratch #MeToo and start using #GoneToFar

#56 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-12-08 10:58 AM | Reply

Did we forget it was Pearl Harbor day yesterday?

Oh well, December 7 will now be remembered as the day the #metoo movement died.

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-12-08 12:43 PM | Reply

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