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Wednesday, December 06, 2017

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minnesota) denied a report Wednesday that he had decided to resign the following day. Minnesota Public Radio had reported, citing an unnamed Democratic official who had spoken to Franken and his staff, that the senator would resign Thursday. Shortly after the story went live, however, Franken's office said it was "not accurate." ... Also on Wednesday, more than a dozen Democratic senators called for Franken's resignation. The senator's office announced amid those calls that he would make an announcement Thursday.

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This may hurt the Democratic Party in the short-term, but in the long-term this is a good thing for the party.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-06 02:36 PM | Reply

Watch him resign on the same day Roy Moore gets elected. This is stupid politics.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-06 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

As sad as I will be to see Franken go, Minnesota will seat a Dem to replace him.

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-06 02:53 PM | Reply

Danni,

The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat. I'm guessing he would get to fill the vacancy until the next election cycle.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-06 02:54 PM | Reply

The voters should decide who they want to represent them.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-06 03:11 PM | Reply

#5

It takes about a year to get an election done in pretty much every State, Dayton will appoint someone to Franken's seat, just like the Bama Governor will do when the Senate refuses to seat Moore.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-06 03:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I thought Conyers should resign, and I'm glad he did as the allegations against him were quite serious and payments were made. If Franken is guilty, fine, let him resign. If he isn't guilt, however, and is just doing this due to peer pressure because of fellow Democrats' desire for moral purity, then I'll be sad to see him resign. The Democratic mantra on sexual assault and harassment allegations should be: "All allegations must be taken seriously." Not: "All allegations must be believed." I thought a Senate ethics committee investigation into Franken's case would be the best way to take the allegations against him seriously.

"This may hurt the Democratic Party in the short-term, but in the long-term this is a good thing for the party."

Only if the allegations against Franken are true. If they aren't, Democrats have just given the GOP the perfect playbook to oust any Democrat they want from public office--or even from running for public office. Or should I say any male Democrat. Not sure how well the #metoo allegations will work against female candidates. Maybe this means the Dems will run more women in the future just to be on the safe side.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"just like the Bama Governor will do when the Senate refuses to seat Moore."

LOL The Senate will not refuse to seat Moore if he wins.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I almost believe the hand of God is behind this. How much more clear does it have to be made that the Alabama GOP and the American rightwing media are hypocritical and immoral power-lusters?

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-06 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well then... we can certainly expect that Trump will resign next, what with many more, and more serious, allegations against him, right?

Anyone? Bueller?

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-06 04:04 PM | Reply

The voters should decide ...

Nothing prevents his running again except his own political calculations.

Just like nothing prevents his staying except his own political calculations.

#11 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-06 04:07 PM | Reply

The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat. I'm guessing he would get to fill the vacancy until the next election cycle.

I'm pretty sure you missed Danni's point.

Democrats act responsibly. Even going above and beyond.

Republicans throw their hands up in the air and declare nothing can be done.

Besides. They've got to keep their senate majority.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-06 04:47 PM | Reply

She'd prefer to keep a sexual assaulter with a D after his name because the R's are doing it and she has no moral convictions like the Rs that want to keep Moore.

#14 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-12-06 04:54 PM | Reply

LOL The Senate will not refuse to seat Moore if he wins.

#8 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2017-12-06 03:59 PM

Legally, under Powell v. McCormack the Senate can't refuse to seat him after the election but they can certainly expel him, which is what they should do and can be done on a motion by leadership. It takes a 2/3 majority to expel a Member of Congress or Senator so that is where the lines will be drawn. If all the Democrats vote to expel Moore then only 17 Republicans would need to agree.

Besides. They've got to keep their senate majority.

#13 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-12-06 04:47 PM

If Moore is expelled, what are the odds that the Republican Governor of Alabama appoints a Democrat? Can you say zero?

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-06 05:11 PM | Reply

"If all the Democrats vote to expel Moore then only 17 Republicans would need to agree."

What are the odds that it will come up for a vote in the Senate? I'd say, zero. McConnell has already said it is up the voters of AL, and the GOP is now supporting Moore and giving him money for his candidacy. Trump, too, has endorsed him. How likely is it they would turn around and vote to expel him? LOL

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't like it, but the GOP McConnell and Trump can't afford to lose that seat to the Democrats so they are helping him win.

Politics is a nasty business, let's see what happens if he does win.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-06 05:43 PM | Reply

"I don't like it, but the GOP..."

Thanks for admitting you're part of the problem.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-06 05:50 PM | Reply

I'm not, but thanks for trying to assign positions to me.

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-06 05:55 PM | Reply

I'm not, but

But you're busy making excuses for why the GOP can't do anything.

You've got so many excuses lined up it's difficult to believe you when you pretend you're anti Moore.

It seems to me if Moore was a democrat he'd have already been tarred and feathered.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-06 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

McConnell and Trump can't afford to lose that seat to the Democrats so they are helping him win.

Party over country is a ----.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-06 06:03 PM | Reply

If Moore is expelled, what are the odds that the Republican Governor of Alabama appoints a Democrat? Can you say zero?

#15 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Do you truly believe they will expel him? You give the GOP too much credit.

#22 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-06 06:04 PM | Reply

If Moore is expelled, what are the odds that the Republican Governor of Alabama appoints a Democrat? Can you say zero?

What's your point? That he has to win so they can nominate another republican? If he wins. He's in. They're not going to replace him. They're just going to ignore his child molestation and let him serve his term.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-06 06:06 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

No.

And no one remembers it being a nothing-burger. Your attempt to re-write history is pathetic.

Unlike with Conservatives, nearly every liberal here condemned him and agreed that if there was more, something needed to be done. In addition, everyone INCLUDING Franken agreed there should be an ethics investigation. And as more accusations came out, liberals on here agreed that Franken needed to be investigated and if there was evidence, he needed to go.

You are embarrassing yourself.

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-06 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nothing prevents his running again except his own political calculations.

Why should he resign and then run again? That would be ridiculous. Either he thinks himself worthy of continuing to hold his office and he stays, or he doesn't and he resigns. He wouldn't decide that he's unworthy now but would be worthy again after a new election.

I am not saying he's innocent. But if I was Franken and the allegations against me were false or wildly overstated, I would stay in the Senate and become an independent for the rest of my term. He doesn't need the Democrats that much when they don't control the Senate. He'd lose all his good committee assignments and seniority, but he'd probably still find ways to be useful. And he could stick around long enough to change his story from "resigned in disgrace" to something else.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-06 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why should he resign and then run again?

I responded to "the voters should decide" with two options the second being along the lines you suggest for staying.

#26 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-06 06:46 PM | Reply

to all these righteous women senators who've called for his resignation..every woman i know can tell you of at least one experience that she's had with sexually inappropriate behaviour. why don't each of these women speak up and tell their
stories..name names. who else is in congress whose reputation is known but hasn't been outed yet. Franken would be insane
to resign.

#27 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-12-06 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I heard some troubling conversation on NPR today. Accusations of sexual misconduct are moving the starting point from "accused and an open investigation" to "presumed guilty with life/career ending consequences". I believe most allegations coming out these days are true and am happy sexually assaulted victims have found their voice, especially women(sexist, I know). However, it seems we may have over-corrected a bit. Every act of sexual misconduct isn't deserving of the same consequence. Franken should stay in office until an ethics investigation runs it's course.

#29 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-12-06 07:10 PM | Reply

"thanks for trying to assign positions to me."

I assigned nothing. You admitted to choosing party over morals.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-06 07:17 PM | Reply

- but he'd probably still find ways to be useful.

If he would just go out now and grab some P like the current Pres, he could run for the Pres office in 2020... albeit as a Republican.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-06 07:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Al Franken had a hard time fitting in.

Oh you're just a funny guy.

Al: no I grope the ladies.

Fellows: well you'll fit in just fine.

#32 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-12-06 08:25 PM | Reply

Franken should stay in office until an ethics investigation runs it's course.

#29 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Agreed.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-06 09:04 PM | Reply

Do the Dems really want Moore to be expelled if he wins?

Don't they want the Republican Party to be the Party of Moore (not the Party of Trump) moving forward for 2018?

That certainly seems like it's going to go down that way, which very well may benefit the Dems in the long run.

Personally, I think the man's a POS and should be expelled after election. Have the Alabama voters prove they are willing to vote an accused child molester into the Senate and then expel him. That would speak volumes. And you damned well better believe I'll never step foot in Alabama if they vote him in. Not that I have any interest in the first place, but those people are friggin' twisted if they think Moore's accusers are lying for Democratic political gain. That's the sort of partisan politics that makes my stomach churn and ensures I'll never visit the state.

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-06 09:10 PM | Reply

Bottom line, Moore should stay in the race just as Trump did.

The minute he drops out, he effectively admits the accusations are true. Stay the course and people will give him the benefit of the doubt, just like they did Trump.

ALL those female voters still supported Trump even after his admission of sexual assault. That should also speak volumes.

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-06 09:12 PM | Reply

"which very well may benefit the Dems in the long run"

As I get older I'm coming to the conclusion there is no long run in politics. Tons of short runs but no long run.

If long run predictions were to have come true then
the GOP would've been finished as a party along time ago.

Nixon
GWB
Iraq
Affiliation with religious right
Anti-gay
Anti-abortion
Pro gun
Ain't-immigration
Anti-birth control
TRUMP
Racists, misogynistic, bigots, etc....

All of the above were going to sink the GOP....in the long term.....

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-06 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

You are embarrassing yourself.
#24 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Yup! Abso-friggin-lutely.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-06 09:25 PM | Reply

You admitted to choosing party over morals.

I did no such thing, I said "I don't like it."

Keep up.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-06 09:32 PM | Reply

Eberly, the GOP would be lost without Gerrymandering and other legal subversions of direct democracy, e.g. Electoral College, Voter ID, Kathleen Harris voter roll scrub of 2000, etc. etc.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-06 09:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

#39

If it makes you sleep better at night, keep telling yourself that.

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-06 09:37 PM | Reply

39

Lost? Hardly. Not all of the victories but still very relevant.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-06 09:43 PM | Reply

Norman Ornstein‏ @NormOrnstein

Democrats are now setting a standard for behavior. If you demand not an investigation or a censure but immediate resignation from someone who exhibited crude behavior before coming to the Senate that didnt involve a staffer or intern, attacking victims, coverup, denial,threats 1/

What do you do when, inevitably, a colleague gets caught having harassed a staffer or intern, using power relationship? Or worse? Resignation obviously not enough. Rushing to judgment w/o calibrating nature and context of offenses, blowing up due process, will come back to haunt

Think this provides more leverage on Roy Moore? Think again. If he wins, do you think he will resign, even if Republicans call on him to do so? Not a chance. He will revel in the establishment attacks on him. Expulsion? under Powell v McCormack, unlikely to pass court muster

This is so reminiscent of rush to act with crack cocaine epidemic. Democrats joined the stampede to mandatory minimum sentences. 30 years for possession, no calibration, lives destroyed. Republicans, of course, demanded no such action for powdered cocaine, used by their voters.

11:36 AM - 6 Dec 2017

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 09:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Democrats are now setting a standard for behavior"

Because of this resignation?

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-06 10:01 PM | Reply

"Because of this resignation?"

I think he means because Dems are calling for his resignation without "w/o calibrating nature and context of offenses, blowing up due process."

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 10:06 PM | Reply

Well, I don't consider it a standard of behavior.

But I get his point.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-06 10:08 PM | Reply

"Because of this resignation?"

I also think Ornstein means Dems are setting up a standard of behavior for themselves in response to allegations which will result in what another twitter user describes this way:

Puesto Loco™‏ @PuestoLoco

Any accuser, as long as they are female, wins. GOP will have open duck hunting season and "wring their hands" Dems will abandon them. No. Worse. They'll push to have them removed from their jobs.
3:32 PM - 6 Dec 2017

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 10:10 PM | Reply

But his comparisons aren't very good.

Dems didn't support harsh treatment of crack knowing it would lock up their voters. They didn't know any better.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-06 10:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"They didn't know any better."

I'm not sure the Democratic women are thinking this through either. They mean well, but IMO they are being short-sighted. We don't want men in business settings fired just because someone accuses them of sexual harassment. I should think we want those accusations vetted.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 10:19 PM | Reply

Rachel Murphy Azzara‏ @RachelAzzara

I understand the politics behind this, but it makes me uneasy. The allegations against Franken are comparatively benign and largely unvetted. #GOP will not follow suit and the precedent this sets could easily be weaponized.
10:11 AM - 6 Dec 2017

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 10:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

49

Now that I agree with. I have no reason to believe the GOP would follow suit and I think Unless it's much worse what Franken has done (than what we know now) then he should stay put.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-06 10:27 PM | Reply

"If it makes you sleep better at night, keep telling yourself that."

I don't sleep better at night knowing, for example, North Carolina is not only racially Gerrymandered, it's so racially Gerrymandered to the point of being illegal.

But you probably do, since you perceive a political benefit from it; i.e. lower taxes.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-06 10:29 PM | Reply

"I have no reason to believe the GOP would follow suit and I think Unless it's much worse what Franken has done (than what we know now) then he should stay put."

A lot of Democrats agree with you. This call for Franken to resign without allowing the Ethics Committee to do its job is creating quite a backlash against the folks calling for his resignation and is turning Democrats against each other, again. I think the standard of behavior the Dems should be calling for is: Take all allegations seriously and investigate them. That applies equally to Al Franken and to Roy Moore should he become a senator.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 11:05 PM | Reply

Tom Arnold‏ @TomArnold

I'm disappointed with my friend Leeann Tweedon. Her partner at KABC John Phillips is a Roger Stone pal & they coached her for weeks to bring Al Franken down. I'd hoped she'd use her voice to speak out for all women again predators like Roy Moore & Donald Trump but she's a birther
6:47 PM - 6 Dec 2017

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 11:24 PM | Reply

Nice victim blaming Tom, another accuser came out against Franken tonight in The Atlantic:

Tina Dupuy: I Believe Franken's Accusers Because He Groped Me, Too

"In mid-November, a Los Angeles radio host named Leeann Tweeden stepped forward to claim that Senator Al Franken had shoved his tongue down her throat under the pretext of a rehearsal for a sketch he'd written. The coup de grace was a photograph of a sleeping Tweeden and the now-senator pretending to grab her ----- for the camera.

There was an instant cognitive dissonance with Democrats on Twitter. People like Franken. Democrats need Franken. See, the accuser had been on Sean Hannity's show. She must therefore be a right-winger. She could have been put up to this, they speculated. Roger Stone had tweeted that the "touchy" Franken was about to be exposed six hours before the story dropped. That's fishy, they surmised. They all sounded paranoid, irrational, and conspiratorial. But that's how we all sound these days.

I assumed Franken would step down later that day. Tweeden's story rang true to me. I'd told myself I was the only one. I'd been groped by Franken in 2009."

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-06 11:37 PM | Reply

After this latest accusation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has come out (belatedly) and called for Franken's resignation.

DNC chief Perez initially declined to call for Franken ouster

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-06 11:40 PM | Reply

this sanctimonious rush by democrats to deal with the franken allegations is another example of ideological shortsightedness
dictating a course of action that they hope will display their moral bonafides..not. this is the same convoluted exercise of trying to be all things to every one that led them to believe that they should ignore sanders and his evident momentum and instead, bet the corners with clinton.

#56 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-12-06 11:41 PM | Reply

AND BESIDES, WHAT WE'RE ALL FAILING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY, "THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOR, IF YOU WANT A FRIEND THEN GET A DOG"

#57 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-12-06 11:45 PM | Reply

Tom Arnold‏ @TomArnold

To put a button on this the only truth about my old pal Leeann Tweeden's Al Franken story was the picture. The rest was created by KABC colleague & fellow Trump supporter John Phillips & his bud Roger Stone who coached Leeann for weeks to take Al down. Mission accomplished.
7:29 PM - 6 Dec 2017

#58 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 11:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I did no such thing, I said "I don't like it.""

Then you added the reason why you're supporting it anyway: because GOP.

Party over morality.

Keep up.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-06 11:48 PM | Reply

Why Al Franken is done-for -- and Roy Moore isn't

www.washingtonpost.com

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 11:51 PM | Reply

Tom Arnold‏ @TomArnold

I've gone to bat for Leeann 100 times this last month hoping she'd at least reveal her whole truth too but she ghosted me. I know every single detail of this political manipulation. KABC should lose their license. Promoting a fraud is a federal offense & FCC violation.

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 11:55 PM | Reply

Franken resignation could upend Minnesota races

thehill.com

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-06 11:59 PM | Reply

"I did no such thing, I said "I don't like it.""
Then you added the reason why you're supporting it anyway: because GOP.
Party over morality.
Keep up.

#59 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I don't see any support in this:

I don't like it, but the GOP McConnell and Trump can't afford to lose that seat to the Democrats so they are helping him win.
Politics is a nasty business, let's see what happens if he does win.

#17 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER


#63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-07 12:06 AM | Reply

Anyone worth their salt would be demanding Moore drop out of the race. Anything other than that you are frauds one and all.

#64 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-07 03:30 AM | Reply

RE: #63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-07 12:06 AM

You don't see any support in that?

How about the: "I don't like it, BUT...".

Rather like a bank robber saying: "I don't like robbing banks, BUT...".

#65 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2017-12-07 04:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I don't see any support in this:"

Let me translate slowly.

"I don't like it, but the GOP" = This goes against my morals, but my party winning this election supersedes my morals.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 08:07 AM | Reply

Everyone claiming Franken's seat is a safe Dem seat seems to be forgetting that Clinton only beat Trump in Minnesota by 1.5% in 2016. If Republicans run a bombastic idiot for senate in 2018 there's no telling what might happen there.

#67 | Posted by JOE at 2017-12-07 08:17 AM | Reply

It is interesting that some hard core Democrats are asserting that since Franken supports legislation that reflects liberal values, he is exempted from having to behave in a way that conforms with the most basic liberal values.

#68 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-07 10:35 AM | Reply

"It is interesting that some hard core Democrats are asserting that since Franken supports legislation that reflects liberal values, he is exempted from having to behave in a way that conforms with the most basic liberal values."

If he committed a crime then charge him but when a woman was photographed doing basically the exact same things she accuses him of doing on the exact same USO tour......that ain't cause for resignation.

#69 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-07 10:42 AM | Reply

""Everyone claiming Franken's seat is a safe Dem seat seems to be forgetting that Clinton only beat Trump in Minnesota by 1.5% in 2016. If Republicans run a bombastic idiot for senate in 2018 there's no telling what might happen there."

And that Franken wasn't seated for several months because of the closeness of the election which required recounts.

#70 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-07 10:44 AM | Reply

If he committed a crime then charge him but when a woman was photographed doing basically the exact same things she accuses him of doing on the exact same USO tour......that ain't cause for resignation. - #69 | Posted by Danni at 2017-12-07 10:42 AM

Are you aware that there are numerous women accusing Sen. Franken of sexual assault? It's not this single woman, who has accepted his apology, that is causing much of the congressional Democrats to call for him to step down.

#71 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-07 10:57 AM | Reply

Hoping he resigns today. Enough already.
Next up: Moore and Trump.
But first, Franken.

#72 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-12-07 10:59 AM | Reply

"But first, Franken."

The one with the least serious accusations and most recent accusations as well. So convenient. I hope Franken comes out and says "forget it, I'm not resigning."

#73 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-07 11:32 AM | Reply

He just resigned.

#74 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-07 12:04 PM | Reply

Are you aware that there are numerous women accusing Sen. Franken of sexual assault? It's not this single woman, who has accepted his apology, that is causing much of the congressional Democrats to call for him to step down.

#71 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

So Trump should resign too? And Moore should step out of the race?

#75 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-07 12:04 PM | Reply

73 oh come on "the least serious" allegations?? As a self proclaimed champion of women's rights doesn't his hypocrisy offend you? I suppose not which is why you can keep carrying the torch of righteous indictnation.

I actually liked the nutty fruit cake and thought he did a much better job for your team then I ever thought possible.

#76 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2017-12-07 12:10 PM | Reply

"......that ain't cause for resignation."

It probably isn't. I'm sure there is more to it that can stay hidden because he has chosen to resign.

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-07 12:11 PM | Reply

"oh come on "the least serious" allegations??"

Vs. Moore, Trump, Weinstein, Spacey, and Conyers?

Yes.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 12:14 PM | Reply

Correction: He indicated he is resigning in a couple weeks.

#79 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-07 12:20 PM | Reply

I don't see any support in this:

Really? Perhaps it's because you bumped your "------------" head. Let me read between the lines for you.


I don't like it, but the GOP McConnell and Trump can't afford to lose that seat to the Democrats so they are helping him win.
#17 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

#63 | POSTED BY JEFFJ


That says, "I don't like Roy Moore, but we need Roy Moore, so I'll support Roy Moore."

Al Franken posed for pictures, and he's out. Roy more undressed a 14 year old girl and proceeded to grope her naked body. And republicans are like, "Party Before Country!"

Republicans don't have any morals. So it makes sense.

#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 12:31 PM | Reply

So Trump should resign too? And Moore should step out of the race? - #75 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-07 12:04 PM

Whataboutism isnt an argument you pathetic ape.
#18 | Posted by JOE at 2017-12-06 09:16 AM

#81 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-07 12:31 PM | Reply

Dems lost the moral high ground many years ago with Clinton.

#82 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-12-07 12:33 PM | Reply

It is interesting that some hard core Democrats are asserting that since Franken supports legislation that reflects liberal values, he is exempted from having to behave in a way that conforms with the most basic liberal values.
#68 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-12-07 10:35 AM | FLAG:

Based on what I've read. No one is asserting that.

Franken had stated he would appear before an ethics committee and once all the facts were laid out. He'd comply with their judgment.

Most liberals were satisfied with this course of action.

Unfortunately for Franken. People hold democrats to a higher standard than republicans.

Therefore, he's been forced to resign before having a trial. Where as Roy Moore is going up for election and Donald Trump remains the President.

#83 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 12:36 PM | Reply

#81 "Whataboutism isnt an argument"

Pointing out your differing standards, dependent on the letter after the name, is NOT Whataboutism. Unless you've come out demanding Trump resign and Moore step aside, which I sincerely doubt.

Simple question: do you believe Franken should resign, but Trump shouldn't?

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 12:37 PM | Reply

Your Clinton deflection came kinda late, Visitor.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-07 12:41 PM | Reply

Dems lost the moral high ground many years ago with Clinton.

Another Clinton deflection.

*drink*

Republicans have never had the moral high ground.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 12:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

We heard the Trump tape before the election. The voters made their choice.

#87 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-12-07 12:55 PM | Reply

do you believe Franken should resign, but Trump shouldn't? - #84 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 12:37 PM

I believe that Franken should do what he thinks is best for himself and his constituents. I would prefer that he wait for the results of his ethics probe (hehe). I'll discuss Trump in a Trump thread.

#88 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-07 12:57 PM | Reply

"I'll discuss Trump in a Trump thread."

There have been plenty of Trump threads. Feel free to link to one of your anti-Trump comments.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 12:59 PM | Reply

Pointing out your differing standards - #84 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 12:37 PM
Would you care to point out where those differing standards are, that you accuse me of having?

#90 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-07 01:00 PM | Reply

We heard the Trump tape before the election. The voters made their choice.

The voters chose Hillary.

Bragging about Trump boasting about sexually assaulting women reinforces my point, Republicans have no Morals and democrats are held to a higher standard.

#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What is most galling is the sanctimony of Democrats trying to claim that they have such lofty ideals. Just a few months ago they were ready to make Bill Clinton first lady. The party of succession, slavery and the Klan morphed into the party of communist collusion until they decided to pin their sins on Trump.

#92 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-12-07 01:19 PM | Reply

The party of succession, slavery and the Klan morphed into the party of communist collusion until they decided to pin their sins on Trump.

#92 | Posted by visitor_

ANd the party of lincoln morphed into the party of nazis and klansmen when they realized they could use racism to get tax cuts for rich people.

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 01:24 PM | Reply

There have been plenty of Trump threads. Feel free to link to one of your anti-Trump comments. - #89 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 12:59 PM

Does calling him a liar meet your purity test, Danforth?
Trump (a liar) never called the widow a liar.

Something more recent in an article about Franken's sexual assault accusations?
No, I did not vote for Trump. You're welcome to ask Hans to review for that.
That doesn't mean I'm ok with people lying about him. I've said MANY times that his actual actions are bad enough without having to embellish or exaggerate those actions.

Yet another article about sexual accusation:
Discuss the problems with Trump in posts about Trump (FSM knows there are enough of them).
( I suppose that could be in reference to the number of posts about Trump, you'll have to review it for context)

I'm not sure why I bother, though. I'm betting you won't accept evidence when it doesn't confirm to your bias.

#94 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-07 01:24 PM | Reply

Visitor:

Apparently: The GOP became the party of sEcession a long time ago. They also became the party of sleaze, corruption, and no standards. And you voted for the first lady who was a nude bisexual model, while no doubt the same year complaining about Michelle Obama wanting to have nutritious school lunches and wearing a sleeveless dress.

But, please! Continue to entertain me with how you have any entitlement to any moral high ground, #Trumpvoter.

#95 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-12-07 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wait. What's wrong with nude, bi models?

#96 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-07 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wait. What's wrong with nude, bi models?

#96 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Nothing, unless she's the 3rd trophy wife of the head of the party of family values.

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 01:57 PM | Reply

They dropped that from the platform it seems. As long as it's man & woman, you're good to go. They don't specify how many tries it takes.

#98 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-07 02:13 PM | Reply

Typical how desperate Dan and Shart are trying to read support for Moore from me when I said "I don't like it" and then explained why the GOP was helping Moore.

Let me say it s l o w l y so you understand:

I don't like or support Moore and hope the pedo loses. I do, however, understand the politics behind why the GOP is now trying to keep the seat.

Say it slowly several times and you will ultimately wrap your pointy heads around it.

#99 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-07 02:13 PM | Reply

I don't like or support Moore and hope the pedo loses. I do, however, understand the politics behind why the GOP is now trying to keep the seat.

Say it slowly several times and you will ultimately wrap your pointy heads around it.

#99 | Posted by Rightocenter

You don't support moore, but you support the party that does.

So your support of moore is indirect, but still exists.

When you support the party of disgusting ethics, you support disgusting ethics.

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 02:27 PM | Reply

You don't support moore, but you support the party that does.

There's a difference between supporting the party and understanding why the party takes a certain political action. If Moore wins the Senate will vote for his removal. I'd be shocked if they don't. With unanimous Dem support it will only take 17 GOP votes to get this done.

#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-07 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's a difference between supporting the party and understanding why the party takes a certain political action. If Moore wins the Senate will vote for his removal. I'd be shocked if they don't. With unanimous Dem support it will only take 17 GOP votes to get this done.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-07 02:31 PM | Reply

If you had any credibility you would be demanding Moore to drop out of the race.

#102 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-07 02:33 PM | Reply

"There's a difference between supporting the party and understanding why the party takes a certain political action."

There is a difference, or there appears to be a difference?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-07 02:35 PM | Reply

Al Franken posed for pictures, and he's out. Roy more undressed a 14 year old girl and proceeded to grope her naked body. And republicans are like, "Party Before Country!"

Moore is also accused of trying to rape a 16 year old girl in his car.

#104 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-07 02:39 PM | Reply

"There's a difference between supporting the party and understanding why the party takes a certain political action."

Not if you're donating to the RNC.

#105 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No JeffJ, Yertle has already stated that he will "Let the voters of Alabama decide".

If Moore is elected they will seat him over any objections. There will be no procedural motion that he'll allow to come to the floor. We're now entered the era of the Grand Ole PedoLovers.

#106 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-07 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's a difference between supporting the party and understanding why the party takes a certain political action. If Moore wins the Senate will vote for his removal. I'd be shocked if they don't. With unanimous Dem support it will only take 17 GOP votes to get this done.

#101 | Posted by JeffJ

Understanding and voting are different things.
If you voted for any republican senators or congressmen, you voted for people who are supporting this pedophile.

#107 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 03:07 PM | Reply

So. What our fellow conservatives are saying is. After the RNC spends millions on Moore's campaign. They'll vote with democrats to oust Moore.

And there's a bridge in New York with a great sticker price.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 04:19 PM | Reply

"After the RNC spends millions on Moore's campaign. They'll vote with democrats to oust Moore."

Jesus, the RNC has been funding his campaign even after these allegations surfaced? I thought they stopped.

#109 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-07 04:21 PM | Reply

Allegations.

Convict him in court first.

#110 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-12-07 04:28 PM | Reply

EBERLY

They picked it back up again after Trump voiced his support for Moore. I read the RNC threw in about a million dollars.

#111 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-07 04:28 PM | Reply

Then again, conviction means nothing. Marion Barry got elected after being in jail.

#112 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-12-07 04:29 PM | Reply

Jesus, the RNC has been funding his campaign even after these allegations surfaced? I thought they stopped.

#109 | Posted by eberly

They did. THen trump supported him, then the RNC resumed supporting him.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 04:48 PM | Reply

Allegations.

Convict him in court first.

#110 | Posted by Petrous

How do you feel about the president's claim that he's allowed to obstruct justice if he wants?

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 04:50 PM | Reply

Allegations.
Convict him in court first.
#110 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Franken was forced to resign before he could be seen by an ethics committee.

But Moore should be allowed to go to court first?

No double standard there...

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 05:25 PM | Reply

Not if you're donating to the RNC.

I only donate to candidates, both Republican and Democrat.

If you voted for any republican senators or congressmen, you voted for people who are supporting this pedophile.

Broad brush much? That's retarded and you know it.

What our fellow conservatives are saying is. After the RNC spends millions on Moore's campaign. They'll vote with democrats to oust Moore.

Ever hear of the concept of a "safe seat"? Think about the party of the Governor of Alabama. If Moore is booted, who do you think will be appointed to that seat?

Politics is a nasty business...I wouldn't be surprised if some skeevy backroom deal was made with Moore that he step down after the election or that he take his expulsion gracefully in exchange for letting him retire without having to deal with these allegations or investigations into his pedophilia.

#116 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-07 05:50 PM | Reply

Broad brush much? That's retarded and you know it.

#116 | Posted by Rightocenter

No it's not. The republican party is supporting a pedophile because they're disgusting. Only one member has had the guys to say it's better if moore loses. If you are voting for any of those other members, you're voting for someone who supports the pedophile.

#117 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 05:56 PM | Reply

*the guts

#118 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 06:27 PM | Reply

"But Moore should be allowed to go to court first? No double standard there..."

If I were a Dem, I would be PRAYING that Moore gets elected. That would do more to destroy the Republican Party than any amount of Democrat Party propaganda.

Even if Moore never assaulted anyone, he's freely admitted to liking young girls. That in and of itself is creepy enough.

#119 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-07 07:42 PM | Reply

Even if Moore never assaulted anyone, he's freely admitted to liking young girls. That in and of itself is creepy enough.

#119 | Posted by madbomber

Not creepy enough for republicans to stop supporting him.

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...any amount of Democrat Party ..." - #119 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-07 07:42 PM

Children in the 3rd grade know the difference between a noun and an adjective.

When you graduate 2nd grade?

#121 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-07 07:55 PM | Reply

"Even if Moore never assaulted anyone, he's freely admitted to liking young girls. That in and of itself is creepy enough.
#119 | Posted by madbomber
Not creepy enough for republicans to stop supporting him.

#120 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-12-07 07:53 PM"

But it's much more than enough for Republicans to condemn him, even to the point of removal, if he were a Democrat.

See, it's all about morality and not a partisan issue.

LOL!!!!

#122 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2017-12-07 08:08 PM | Reply

Even if Moore never assaulted anyone,

After reading the letter from his victim, I was heartbroken for her. Not only did she have Roy Moore sexually molest her. Adding insult to injury. He's calling her a liar.

You know what Alabama could have done over the past few months. Added another republican name to the ballot. Convicted Moore of child molestation so the could remove him from the ticket. Cut all funding to his campaign. Not endorse him.

#123 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 09:17 PM | Reply

"Children in the 3rd grade know the difference between a noun and an adjective."

Don't you get it Hans?

It's a finger to the eye of the Dems.

You know...as if the pettiness makes up for the bad grammar.

#124 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-08 05:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Franken was forced to resign before he could be seen by an ethics committee.
But Moore should be allowed to go to court first?
No double standard there...
#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-07 05:25 PM

Who forced Franken to resign, exactly?

#125 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-08 09:14 AM | Reply

I don't think his "crimes" obligated resignation. An apology and promise to never "sin" again should have been sufficient. I'm surprised he was thrown under the bus like this.

#126 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-12-08 10:39 AM | Reply

Franken did not resign. He announced that "he will" resign in a few weeks. Basically, he will stay in office until the Alabama election plays out and then politics will decide what he's going to do. The problem with that is that there is a picture of him that looks like he's groping a sleeping woman. (Personally, I think it was a joke gone bad and he should apologize and move on). With Moore, there is nothing more than 40 year old allegations brought up to smear a candidate by a party who is grasping for any win at this point by any means. And low and behold, now at least some of the allegations have been proven to be false as the original accuser has admitted that the year book was bogus from the start. Add to that that Ford's super Pac is now facing potential criminal charges for their latest shenanigans. The bottom line is Franken ain't going nowhere soon (and probably shouldn't) and Moore is innocent until proven guilty (at least should be).

#127 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2017-12-08 12:16 PM | Reply

"When you graduate 2nd grade?"

I'm on the six year plan...get back to me in four.

"You know...as if the pettiness makes up for the bad grammar."

So...maybe you can help me get through second grade here...is there something incorrect or referring to the party of Democrats as the Democrat Party?

Is that somehow insulting? What am I missing?

#128 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-08 07:20 PM | Reply

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