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Tuesday, December 05, 2017

The Alabama Senate race is days away, but already, top Republicans are admitting defeat. Whether their candidate, Roy Moore, overcomes multiple on-the-record accusations of child molestation and sexual misconduct to win on Dec. 12 or not, top party officials concede that Alabama has been a disaster for the national brand -- and either result will put the Republican congressional majorities in jeopardy. "There's no outcome here in which the Republican Party can say, 'Well, that turned out OK,' no outcome where we can sit back and breathe a sigh of relief," said Scott Jennings, a GOP strategist who is close to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. "Both outcomes are bad for the overall health and brand of the Republican Party."

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This is exactly the dilemma for the GOP, they can't legally pull Moore off the ballot and even if he wins they lose, since they will have to refuse to seat him and do elections over again. If he loses, and he should, they not only lose a seat but the optics nationally are going to hurt every GOP candidate.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-05 11:33 PM | Reply

Or the base will simply refuse to care and that is sadly that. They could simply decide that and nothing will move them. End of story.

#2 | Posted by techres at 2017-12-05 11:54 PM | Reply

"they will have to refuse to seat him"

Why would they do that? Their leader has endorsed Moore, and the RNC just announced they're throwing in a million dollars.

Once Moore is elected, McConnell will shrug, then slide back into his turtle shell.

#3 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-05 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I'll be VERY surprised if Moore Does NOT win.

Once Moore is seated in the Senate, there'll be no good faith honest effort from Republicans to unseat him because the Republican Party would rather give legitimacy to predatory men seeking to molest children than to uphold the values of Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, or Eisenhower. Party before human decency.

Ethics, national dignity, morals, personal integrity, have all been flushed down the crapper long ago.

Now all that matters is how convincing the lies are, and how much shamelessness can be piled onto the outrage-of-the-day.

GOP = Grand Old Pedophiles

#4 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-06 12:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

since they will have to refuse to seat him and do elections over again

Republican Party money (aka: GOP donor money) is again flowing into Moore's campaign coffers.

After Moore wins and is seated, Senate Republicans are not going to go against their party donors (and Trump) over a matter of principle, so kicking him out of the Senate is not going to happen.

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-06 12:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alabama Has Become Nightmoore Scenario for GOP

Nice play on words.

I adhere to the philosophy that all puns are good, and no puns are bad.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-06 12:22 AM | Reply

How much money went to Bill and Hillary's campaign after Bill "Didn't have sex with """THAT WOMAN""" "

#7 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-12-06 12:27 AM | Reply

#7
Well, none to Bill's, since that statement came after his second inaugural.

I'm curious: you're obviously bothered by contributions to B&H, yet not bothered by Trump and the RNC's contributions to an alleged pedophile. Why the difference?

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-06 12:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#8 | Posted by Danforth
There is a difference between a 30 year later accusation and a accusation of a sitting president with a known White house worker at the time accusation. Would you not agree?

#9 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-12-06 12:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#7 Yes but not with """THAT CHILD""". Creeps like you know the difference but don't care.

#10 | Posted by squinch at 2017-12-06 12:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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This is exactly the dilemma for the GOP, they can't legally pull Moore off the ballot and even if he wins they lose,
#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-12-05 11:33 PM | REPLY

Oh no! My heart breaks! Their hands are tied!!

The entire state of Alabama is incapable of doing anything about Roy Moore, the child molester.

The GOP is being held hostage by Roy Moore. He's a terrorist!

And to think. His only qualification for getting nominated was shooting a gun off on stage. Who could of though he may possibly be imbalanced?

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-06 01:01 AM | Reply

How much money went to Bill and Hillary's campaign after Bill "Didn't have sex with "THAT WOMAN"

What were they campaigning for?

Are you equating Monica Lewinsky to a 14 year old girl?

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-06 01:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

"There is a difference between a 30 year later accusation and a accusation of a sitting president with a known White house worker at the time accusation. Would you not agree?"

Certainly less than the difference between a grown woman and a 14 year old. What's Moore up to now, 8 accusers? As well as co-workers and mall guards who knew of his predations?

You've heard the joke, right? What three courts Roy Moore has been thrown out of?

Alabama Supreme Court in 2003, Alabama Supreme Court in 2016, and the Gadsden food court in 1980.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-06 01:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 5

#9 no, that's absurd, as has been pointed out.

btw, what accusation are you referring to exactly?

#14 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-06 02:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tax cuts for billionaires are more important than the lives of women and children.

---The Republicans

#15 | Posted by anton at 2017-12-06 05:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Once again, the gop-ers can't tell the difference between having sex with a grown woman and a minor child.

#16 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-06 08:58 AM | Reply

It will be much better for the GOP if Doug jones (the democrat)wins, than if Roy Moore wins. DJ will actually work with the repubs, he being a moderate.

What is gonna happen is that many gop-ers will write in Busby, the other Gop cand.

#17 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-06 09:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How much money went to Bill and Hillary's campaign after Bill "Didn't have sex with """THAT WOMAN""" "

Whataboutism isnt an argument you pathetic ape.

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2017-12-06 09:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

If Moore wins we need to start a movement to get Alabama's name changed to Pedobama. Heck even if it is close that needs to happen. Talk about inbred backward thinking... I mean growing up they made jokes about the hillbillys in Appalachia with age of consent at 13 and such (back then) but I have to say Alabama is doing it's best at earning that honor today.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-06 09:41 AM | Reply

A more comparable situation would be Ted Kennedy.

But of course pointing out Democrat double standards doesn't make the GOP any less sleazy for supporting Moore.

Basicallyl looking for morality in our major political parties is a waste of time

#20 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-06 09:43 AM | Reply

Basicallyl looking for morality in our major political parties is a waste of time

#20 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12

If you don't expect it, and look for it, and demand it, you'll never get it. That's giving up.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-06 09:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 If you aren't willing to take your vote elsewhere then what you demand hardly matters. The reality is that they can stand behind criminal dirtbags because the consequences are not there.

Talking about party line voters, not you personally Zed.

#22 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-06 10:22 AM | Reply

#20 | Posted by Sully

I always thought Ted Kennedy was a real slime bag for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne and held him in contempt personally. I don't believe in the least that he should have been a Senator after that and indeed should have been put in jail.

But that said that was nearly 50 years ago now. Times have certainly changed mostly for the better in the areas of personal responsibility for your actions. Problem is the GOP is moving backward from that era and not forward. They don't want to acknowledge bad behavior should be punished unless you are a minority or a "liberal".
They were quick to attack both Conyers and Franken but now they endorse Moore? At least Democrats and Liberals are calling Franken and Conyers out to address their behavior. They want to only address "whatabouts" instead of the core issue of TODAY and their actions. Whatabout Kennedy? Whatabout Clinton? It makes no difference. Whatabout we address Roy Moore and Donald Trump's behavior.

Party of Family Values? Christian values? LMAO They are those like ISIS is representative of Islam. GOP's theme is "Party before Country, Party before Law, Party before anything else." Anyone saying the Democrats are bad needs to examine the GOP (and I am not saying the Democrats are good... )

#23 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-06 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- If you aren't willing to take your vote elsewhere

Hilarious. The GOP will take a wasted, thrown away vote any day. It's almost as good as one they kept from being used at all.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-06 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What really amazes me - truly - is that Republicans have become the party of conservative white Christians and claim Christian morals. Again they seem to be showing their true colors - in other words once the child exists outside the womb they just don't care. Frankly I think most Liberals have better moral values than right wing Christians at least when I compare the people I know that seems to be true.

Why? Because Right Wingers are guilty of all the same things that "Liberals" are morally - they just do them in the closet so it doesn't count in their minds. While Liberals do many Christian things in a Christ like way even when they are not Christian. You would be hard pressed to find bible thumpers doing these things much less in a Christ like manner. Usually you see them attacking these things and people rather than being a good Christian about them.

#25 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-06 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 - see that is why you can't expect morals from these parties. It starts with the party base. As long as they value the letter after someone's name more than any standard of decency, there are no standards and never will be. And they are not above playing on your fears to enforce this culture of amorality as Corky just demonstrated nicely.

Thanks, Corky. It has been a while since the last time you were this useful.

#26 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-06 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Talking about party line voters, not you personally Zed."

Talk about party line voters all you want, this year Republicans proved that we need more Democratic Party line voters and fewer idiots thinking their Green party vote or their independent vote helps anyone except Republicans. Simply a fact.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-06 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"As long as they value the letter after someone's name more than any standard of decency, there are no standards and never will be."

Ds passed the New Deal and the Great Society, Rs have done everything they could to destroy both for decades. Anyone too dumb to recognize that shouldn't be preaching to those who do. Sully, you're a joke. I'll keep proudly voting for Democrats and occasionally, as with Obama, we'll get something done. Meanwhile you will continue to vote for your ego cuz you're just so much smarter than everyone else but you will never accomplish anything. Good luck with that you moron.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-06 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28 none of that addresses the point I made, which is that the party line voters are the reason why people like Moore can be a US senator even after being found out. You can be a child abuser, a drunk who killed his date or a KKK grand wizard and still hold high office in the US because of amoral voters like Danni.

You can't and won't address that because it is true. So take the dog and pony show elsewhere because all your bloviating has nothing to do with my comments here.

#29 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-06 12:19 PM | Reply

"...a drunk who killed his date..." - #29 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-06 12:19 PM

Like Laura Bush?

#30 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-06 12:21 PM | Reply

#28 none of that addresses the point I made, which is that the party line voters are the reason why people like Moore can be a US senator even after being found out. You can be a child abuser, a drunk who killed his date or a KKK grand wizard and still hold high office in the US because of amoral voters like Danni.
You can't and won't address that because it is true. So take the dog and pony show elsewhere because all your bloviating has nothing to do with my comments here.

#29 | POSTED BY SULLY

And you throwing away your vote is ensuring we can't clean up either party.

Moore and his people thank you.

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-06 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

but I have to say Alabama is doing it's best at earning that honor today.

#19 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

I'm from Alabama, you ass. I guarantee you I am smarter than you and most people you know, I am not a liberal or a conservative.

People like you are the reason most of the religious and conservative people in Alabama vote out of spite. They voted for Roy Moore and Trump out of spite. Do you honestly think that strong, willful people are gonna say, 'oh my goodness, those hateful liberals are right about conservatives being hateful, let us rush to be more like them'?

#32 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-06 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#32 | Posted by kudzu

You make an excellent and true point. Even though I've done more than my share of bashing, the ultimate solution is to invite these people into the tent, and give them some good reason for staying there. That's going to mean persuading them we value them as human beings.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-06 12:55 PM | Reply

Related to this is another true point, not offered to bash, but out of true bewilderment: What's happened to some people that spite has become the defining factor in their behavior?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-06 12:56 PM | Reply

"28 none of that addresses the point I made, which is that the party line voters are the reason why people like Moore can be a US senator even after being found out. You can be a child abuser, a drunk who killed his date or a KKK grand wizard and still hold high office in the US because of amoral voters like Danni."

Politicians are elected to enact or repeal legislation that affects their constituents. Personal pecadillos are really irrelevant, don't even pretend that the rest of Congress who haven't been accused openly of being a perve are innocent. I trust the Democratic Party more than I trust any individual in Congress. I can see what the Party does, I can't see what the individuals do.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-06 01:04 PM | Reply

#31 that doesn't make any logical sense and is one of the most idiotic comments I've read in a long time. The way to clean up both parties is to have standards that apply to candidates as individuals. The only way to enforce that is to deny your vote. If you are not willing to do that then you are on the side of amorality. No way around it, Copernicus.

#36 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-06 01:06 PM | Reply

#35 ok that's fine but then don't complain about Moore because you are telling us that you would vote for him if he were a Democrat.

#37 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-06 01:31 PM | Reply

" that doesn't make any logical sense and is one of the most idiotic comments I've read in a long time."

That you don't understand the logic hardly proves there is no logic there.

"The way to clean up both parties is to have standards that apply to candidates as individuals."

Standards which can only deal with things you know about, as Roy Moore is proving right not standards are thrown out the window when the party leaders decide his seat in the Senate is at risk. Let the female Senators from the Democratic Party throw out Al Franken, who really suffers? The poor who will lose Medicaid, SS, Medicare, etc. Al Franken may or may not have done anything wrong, I don't really know at this point, but I do know that he votes Democratic on all the issues that are important to me and his vote is important to me on those issues. His party is more important to me than any individual in Congress, gaining a Democratic majority is what is important to me. Your problem is the Constitution, you don't want to live in a "winner take all" system, I didn't make it that way but I do recognize the truth that is the way our system is designed. Some of the founders didn't like it any more than you do but til it is changed it is what it is. In the vast majority of elections either a Republican or a Democrat is going to win, I prefer Democrats. I probably always will.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-06 01:34 PM | Reply

"#35 ok that's fine but then don't complain about Moore because you are telling us that you would vote for him if he were a Democrat."

I've quit complaining about Moore. I'm reverting to my earlier views which I held when Bill Clinton was impeached. I care about what politicians do in their jobs not their private lives.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-06 01:37 PM | Reply

At least you are honest. Not sure why you seem to think in wrong here when everything you are saying supports my claim.

#40 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-06 01:41 PM | Reply

Related to this is another true point, not offered to bash, but out of true bewilderment: What's happened to some people that spite has become the defining factor in their behavior?

#34 | POSTED BY ZED

IMHO, in terms of the past few decades, it's a persecution complex driven by old money interests who think nothing of using religion and politics and other lies to inflame otherwise good people into fighting for them. But, it's a persecution complex that doesn't acknowledge that some of the persecution is justified. The sad part about Alabama (and the other southern states) is the serious stratification of our previous gracefulness, intellect and toughness of character.

The distressing thing to me, as it was during the civil rights era, it turns out we were ahead of our time. Our toughness combined with the persecution complex has infected the rest of the country nowadays. This gives validation to the original neurosis, doesn't it? Thus the spite.

When you see someone like Trump being elected, it makes a weak or intellectually lazy person think that their own personal racism and their hatred of intellect was the right thing all along. In short, the spite has been validated, and we are shatting out the worst of our people and ideas onto the rest of America. Unfortunately, America seems to be receptive to eating it up. Jeff Sessions and Roy Moore are manifestations of this.

Anyone that lives here immediately understands Neil Young's lyrics, 'Alabam, you're a Cadillac, with one wheel in the ditch and one on the track'. It's a clean, beautiful, prosperous place with happy people, like many places in America, but we seem to be like people in Montana and Alaska and Texas, arrogant, self-centered and more comfortable with a good fight than with a tenuous peace. I'm not sure if any of this makes sense.

#41 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-06 02:48 PM | Reply

accusations aren't proof.

Take your accusations to court. Both parties, and people not in politics, should be allowed to have the courts hear the case and let the accusers prove their case or shut up.

They shouldn't have to quit, resign, etc. because of unproven claims. If we truly believe in innocent until proven guilty, we need to quit, resign, etc. these public trials and move it where we all expect justice - in the courts (Snark)

#42 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-12-06 03:22 PM | Reply

I don't think roy moore should be kicked off the planet for his alleged sexual misadventures. I think he should be kicked off the planet because he is an evil person who uses weak people's religion to further his evil political agenda.

#43 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-07 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unfortunately, Moore appears to be ahead. What does this say about his Democratic opponent?

#44 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-07 09:19 AM | Reply

Unfortunately, Moore appears to be ahead. What does this say about his Democratic opponent?

#44 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-07 09:19 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

That he's a Democrat?

#45 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-07 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

That he's a Democrat?

#45 | POSTED BY ZED

Actually, from talking to people, the biggest problem is that he's pro-choice, and a Democrat.

But, here's the fun part. The GOP has already lost, regardless if Moore wins or not. If he wins, the GOP loses what little credibility they still have, if Moore loses, the GOP loses the seat with no extra loss of credibility. If Moore wins, the GOP is going to be obliged to do everything they can to unseat him.

It will be better for the GOP agenda to have Doug Jones (the Democrat) than Moore. But, ya know, that is too complicated for your average single-issue voter.

#46 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-07 11:28 AM | Reply

If Moore wins, you know the Dems are going to label them the party of pedophiles.

This could be like Trump winning...one of the worst things to happen to Republicans.

#47 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-07 03:36 PM | Reply

I don't think roy moore should be kicked off the planet for his alleged sexual misadventures. I think he should be kicked off the planet because he is an evil person who uses weak people's religion to further his evil political agenda.
#43 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-07 09:07 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Woman Says Roy Moore Tried to Rape Her When She Was 16 and Signed Her Yearbook

.. Nelson said she first met Moore at the Olde Hickory House restaurant in Gadsen, Alabama, where she said she began working at age 15.

"Mr. Roy Moore was a regular customer," she said. "He came in almost every night and he would stay until closing time. He sat at the counter in the same seat, night after night. And I remember exactly where he sat."

Moore complimented Nelson on her looks but she did not encourage or respond to his flirtations, she said. "I was not interested in having a dating or sexual relationship with a man that was twice my age," Nelson said.

One night at the restaurant, Nelson said Moore, 30, signed her high school yearbook: "To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas. Christmas 1977. Love, Roy Moore, D.A. 12-22-77 Olde Hickory House."
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At least a week later, Nelson said Moore offered to give her a ride home after her shift ended. Nelson said she accepted the offer and planned to call her boyfriend after she arrived home. Instead of getting on the highway, she alleged, Moore parked in the back of the restaurant. Nelson said she then asked Moore what he was doing.

"Instead of answering my question, Mr. Moore reached over and began groping me, putting his hands on my breasts," Nelson said through tears.

"I tried to open my car door to leave, but he reached over and locked it so I could not get out. I tried fighting him off, while yelling at him to stop, but instead of stopping he began squeezing my neck attempting to force my head onto his crotch. I continued to struggle. I was determined that I was not going to allow him to force me to have sex with him. I was terrified. He was also trying to pull my shirt off. I thought that he was going to rape me. I was twisting and struggling and begging him to stop. I had tears running down my face.

"At some point he gave up. He then looked at me and said, 'You are a child. I am the District Attorney of Etowah County. 'If you tell anyone about this, no one will believe you,'" she continued. "He finally allowed me to open the car door and I either fell out or he pushed me out. I was on the ground as he pulled out of the parking area behind the restaurant. The passenger door was open as he burned rubber pulling away leaving me laying there on the cold concrete in the dark."

#48 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2017-12-07 05:00 PM | Reply

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