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Wednesday, December 06, 2017

Bob Baeur, Lawfare: The interpretation of the [Michael] Flynn plea is subject to the usual risks that someone -- Robert Mueller -- knows far more than anyone else, and with what is available on the public record, it may be impossible to appreciate how this piece fits into the mosaic of the special counsel's investigation. So some may believe it is safest to give the event the narrowest possible reading. Michael Flynn, the former national security adviser, lied to the FBI to cover up Trump transition team activities that he thought it best not to acknowledge. On this account, Flynn may have been concerned about the propriety of contacts with Russia before the inauguration to shift U.S. policy on sanctions and the U.N. Security Council vote on Israeli settlements. So much, then, for this phase of the case: Now we wait to see what else Flynn may disclose to the special counsel as part of their cooperation agreement.

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This is not a wholly mistaken view of the Flynn plea, but it is a limited one. It fails to connect Flynn's lies about the calls with the Russian ambassador to the others just like them told repeatedly by the president and his associates. Indeed, the president has led the charge in denying any contacts between Russia and his campaigns, denouncing as a "hoax" the suggestion of collusion, and he has had a hand in directing others to dissemble about Russia-related communications. For example, we have the extraordinary revelation that the president dictated a press release falsely stating the purpose and substance of the meeting in Trump Tower between his son and other members of the campaign staff, and a traveling party from Moscow offering campaign support and derogatory information about Hillary Clinton. The Flynn lies are just the latest in the series.

Why all the lying? It is easy to understand certain of the individual instances. Telling the truth about the Trump Tower meeting must have seemed unimaginable. It would have required the campaign to admit that it welcomed help from the Kremlin and met in private to accept what the emissaries from Moscow came to offer. And the campaign would never have been persuaded of the wisdom of coming clean about Trump's son's correspondence with WikiLeaks.

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OK, it is not a short article, but one worth reading, imho.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-05 10:54 AM | Reply

First Flynn was fired by Trump for lying to Pence, then had charges put on him for lying to the FBI, and some are putting hope on his testimony will cause Trump to vacate his office? Maybe their hope is misplaced.

#2 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-12-05 02:58 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

No he wasn't fired, he was asked to resign. Significant difference.

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-05 03:03 PM | Reply

@#2 ... some are putting hope on his testimony will cause Trump to vacate his office? ...

I don't think that Mr Flynn's testimony will cause Pres Trump to vacate his office.

I do think, however, that Mr Mueller may use Mr Flynn's testimony, and possible wearing of a wire, to move further up the food chain.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-05 04:05 PM | Reply

I do think, however, that Mr Mueller may use Mr Flynn's testimony, and possible wearing of a wire, to move further up the food chain.

No one is going to talk to Flynn now, so if Flynn was wearing a wire it would have had to been relatively recently. If that was the case, then I would be shocked if they got anything useful.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-05 04:33 PM | Reply

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11, At that level, when you are told to submit your registration, you get busy writing. The alternative is being removed from office by force in public. Apparently being an administrative aid to a congress man,(Trey Gaudy fired one and put us on the hook for a better than 100,000 in a wrongful termination action), These guys and gals serve at the pleasure of the POTUS.

#6 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-12-05 04:44 PM | Reply

so if Flynn was wearing a wire
#5

"Hello? Anybody home? Hello, Mr. Gopher! It's me, Mr. Squirrel. Just a harmless squirrel. Not a plastic explosive or anything. Nothing to be worried about. I'm just here to make your last hours on earth as peaceful as possible. Don't mind this [wire]. This is doctor's orders."
-Caddyshack

#7 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2017-12-05 04:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#6 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

I took the request for resignation and subsequent gratifications/compliments towards Flynn on the part of Trump as an indication that Trump wanted to roll out the red carpet for Flynn's departure. What would influence this? Especially under the presumption that Trump was upset/hurt that Flynn "lied to Vice President Pence"? Could it possibly be that Trump was trying to emotionally influence Flynn to protect Trump and his family?

Could it possibly be?

From where I'm sitting, it's not only possible, it's probable.

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-05 04:48 PM | Reply

"But but but where's the crime?" -- Average Trumper

I love all the speculation about Mueller's probe and what evidence he does/does not have. If there was a crime committed, Mueller knows what it/they were and sure as hell won't provide any clue as to what is in his sights solely to ensure there is not a systematic attempt to cover it up. Or, he's trickling out a whole bunch of nonsense in multiple areas to flesh out where the rats will scramble. Even if this probe only amounts to a few guilty pleas, at least we know this probe did some closet cleaning for Trump that he was CLEARLY unable and unwilling to do on his own. Trump installed his own swamp in the White House. It's a shame Mueller is tasked to now drain that one without even recognizing the much larger one down the road in the halls of Congress.

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-05 04:54 PM | Reply

@#5 ... if Flynn was wearing a wire it would have had to been relatively recently. ...

This is one aspect I don't know enough about.

Why only just relatively recently?

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-05 06:13 PM | Reply

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Maybe their hope is misplaced.

#2 | Posted by docnjo

Or maybe your denial is.

Flynn conspired with the Russians.

The question now is what did the President know and when did he know it and how badly you will take it when the whole truth comes out.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-06 02:13 PM | Reply

Does anybody here believe that it wasn't Trump who tweeted about firing Flynn cause he lied to the FBI?

Anybody?

When Mueller gets of the FBI, with his hand on the Bible and asks Flynn if he really did tweet for The Gropen Further on Gropen Fuhrer's account, do you think he will continue the charade?

#12 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-06 06:10 PM | Reply

@#12

I've tried, I really tried, but I do not understand your comment.

What are you trying to say?

#13 | Posted by lamplighter at 2017-12-07 01:15 AM | Reply

Does it really make sense to keep an Orwellian enemy on a hair trigger? Trump's questionable business practices, which should be cause for concern, put him in a position to want to warm relations with Russia, which is just good policy and probably got JFK killed. There is no stronger case against the purpose and need for the "Deep State" that runs our country regardless who gets elected. Truman created the CIA and later deeply regretted that decision because it operates completely outside its original charter with no accountability for its numerous crimes against its citizens and all of humanity.

All our lives would improve if fewer resources were dedicated to the military industrial complex. It was a great tragedy for the 99%, when BushII pulled out of the ABM Treaty, but as usual, a triumph for the 1% invested in weapons of mass destruction.

#14 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-07 07:58 AM | Reply

Flynn

What if Flynn really still is a Trump loyalist? By copping a plea to lying, he is seriously compromising his usefulness as a witness, and a source. It's called the doctrine of, "The Fruit of the Poisoned Tree",

Fruit of the Poisoned Tree

If Flynn is really a Trump loyalist he could nullify his usefulness to the Mueller investigation by copping to perjury. Remember the O.J. Simpson murder trial? Mark Furhman, the lead investigator, perjured himself on the stand, (and was convicted of perjury for it), under "The Fruit of the Poisoned Tree" doctrine every piece of evidence that passed through his hands was stricken from the record! 90% of the case against O.J. went down the drain and O.J. walked.

By copping to lying Flynn is only a very small step away from the above move. Flynn is now an admitted liar. How is Mueller going to get anything he says to be reliable. How does anyone believe anything he says? Yes it is still admissible. But, dang, if you were a prosecutor would you actually put him on the stand? Would you try to USE anything he leads you to? The jury might just die laughing!

#15 | Posted by AWinter at 2017-12-07 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh,

And, of course, when all is said and done he either gets his sentence commuted like Bush did for Scooter Libby.

Bush Commutes Scooter's Prison Sentence.

Or, Trump could pardon him outright!

#16 | Posted by AWinter at 2017-12-07 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

First Flynn was fired by Trump for lying to Pence, then had charges put on him for lying to the FBI, and some are putting hope on his testimony will cause Trump to vacate his office? Maybe their hope is misplaced.

#2 | Posted by docnjo

Sure that's the fox news perspective.

In reality, trump was warned about flynn 4 times, knew he lied, and was fine with it.
Then the press found out about it and he fired him.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 11:10 AM | Reply

In reality, trump was warned about flynn 4 times, knew he lied, and was fine with it. Then the press found out about it and he fired him.

There you go again, you and your pesky facts.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-07 11:12 AM | Reply

Flynn is just another brick in the wall winter, he will confirm other facts and present hard facts (emails, notes, etc.) damning trump. Don't worry its coming.

#19 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-07 04:03 PM | Reply

Flynn is just another brick in the wall winter, he will confirm other facts and present hard facts (emails, notes, etc.) damning trump. Don't worry its coming.

#19 | Posted by truthhurts

Followed quickly by the republicans doing nothing and revealing themselves to be traitors, happy to have putin's puppet in the white house.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-07 04:48 PM | Reply

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