Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, December 01, 2017

Special counsel Robert Mueller has charged former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn with "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia's ambassador. He is due to appear in court later Friday morning, a court spokesperson said. The White House declined to immediately comment.
Flynn is the first Trump administration official and the fourth connected to the campaign to be charged as part of Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between the Russian government and members of Trump's team, as well as potential obstruction of justice and financial crimes.

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For Flynn to only plead on one count most certainly confirms his cooperation with Mueller's investigation. However, Flynn's obvious lies were known long ago, and his connections to Turkey were disclosed to VP Pence in the December letter he received from Congress, as well as by then-acting AG Sally Yates mere days before she was fired by Donald Trump.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-12-01 09:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Flynn's ceasing to communicate to Trump's attorney's signals his cooperation with Mueller.

This is just another domino falling.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 09:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Now we know why Dotard Donny was busy ginning up his base with fake mooslim videos.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 09:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Only 1?

He has been flipped like a Nothingburger.

Yummy.

Mmmmm, Nothingburers.

#4 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-01 09:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 6 | Newsworthy 2

Did anyone else get notifications from the NYT and AP that Flynn had already pleaded guilty this morning? They both were pulled within the first minute, and then both NYT and AP went silent on the whole story about Flynn being charged this morning, while other media carried correct stories. Wow, a bit of a gun-jump there.

#5 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2017-12-01 09:43 AM | Reply

The NSA director is trusted with more secrets than any government official except the president.

Look who Trump trusted with that job.

Impeach already.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 10

🍌🍌 🍌 Merry Christmas America!! 🍌 🍌🍌

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 09:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

So what does the Tweeter in Chief have to say now?

Our President is a Crook.

Stand by for the Twitter Wars.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 10:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Impeach already."

Is there any crime that the Republicans would impeach a Republican President for? No. Forget impeachment, it ain't happening.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 10:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

hmmmm, Mueller got Flynn to plead guilty. That has got to mean he is targeting someone higher up the food chain. That is one big fish being thrown back to get a bigger fish.

Ohh and the lie that Flynn admitted to was about his collusion with Russia

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-01 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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but i thought there was no evidence for russian collusion... why would all these guys be seaking plea deals?

lol republican traitors.

#11 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-12-01 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Is there any crime that the Republicans would impeach a Republican President for?

Giving up a tax break for the rich to help the working class?

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 6 | Newsworthy 3

Can't wait for the Fox U Trumpets spin on Flynn.

This is gonna be good.

What an awesome Christmas present to get from Special Counsel Meuller.

This is way better than getting screwed by Trumps Tax Scam.

And I didn't get Mueller anything! I better get shopping.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Giving up a tax break for the rich to help the working class?"

Well, lucky for them, they'll never have to face that conundrum.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 10:23 AM | Reply

Can't wait for the Fox U Trumpets spin on Flynn.
#13 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

"Topping today's news: Flag burning. Has it reached epidemic proportions? And what can you tell your children to do about it?"

#15 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2017-12-01 10:25 AM | Reply

Now we know why Dotard Donny was busy ginning up his base with fake mooslim videos.

#3 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2017-12-01 09:32 AM | FLAG:

Yep - just like I suspected on Wednesday:

Trump Retweets Bigoted Anti-Muslim Videos
Gotta wonder if Trump unleashed his latest round of bat-guano-crazy tweets as a distraction to fire up his base because he feels the investigative noose tightening.

POSTED BY CBOB AT 2017-11-29 06:21 PM | REPLY

#16 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-01 10:30 AM | Reply

So is this why the President tweets have been wilder than usual? How long he has know that this was coming? Who is next?

#17 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2017-12-01 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

1st Five stories on Fox News.com

Secret emails detail FBI's hunt for leaker after infamous Lynch-Clinton tarmac meeting
The revelation last year of an unorthodox tarmac meeting set off a frenzied scramble at the FBI to track down the source, newly released documents show.
Trump tweets: Media 'reluctant to cover' Lynch, Clinton tarmac meeting
Sessions admits he has email alias, just like predecessor Loretta Lynch
1:38
Center: FBI more focused on keeping meeting quiet than meeting itself
Judicial Watch says FBI has found Clinton-Lynch tarmac meeting documents

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-01 10:34 AM | Reply

Seems weird to have a low-level, volunteer coffee boy as your national security adviser.

#19 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-01 10:42 AM | Reply

Reality is sinking in on Fox News. A lot of sadness.

So naturally it's Obama's Fault.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 10:44 AM | Reply

Now you may start the clock for the countdown to when Gropenfuhrer fires or tries to fire Mueller. That's one of his few options for self preservation at this point.

#21 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-01 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Center: FBI more focused on keeping meeting quiet than meeting itself
Judicial Watch says FBI has found Clinton-Lynch tarmac meeting documents"

Pathetic. No one with an ounce of self-respect would post that.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 10:54 AM | Reply

Oh wait, sorry, didn't get it that you were posting what Fox News was trying to distract with. My apologies.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 10:55 AM | Reply

"And what can you tell your children to do about it?""

Why aren't flags required to be made of flame resistant materials?

#24 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 10:56 AM | Reply

The NSA director is trusted with more secrets than any government official except the president.

Look who Trump trusted with that job.

Impeach already.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Trump is Putin's puppet.

If only someone would have warned the voters about this before the election.

But her emails....

#25 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 10:57 AM | Reply

How long he has know that this was coming? Who is next?

#17 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2017-12-01 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag

It is going to continue getting closer to the inner circle, that is how these cases work. Flip the low level players first, get them to spill the beans on the target who at this point is Trump, Pence, Jr and Kushy.

He had to know this was coming when Flynn cut off communications with Trump's legal team.

Remember back in the campaign when Trump would crow about how someone who is under investigation is not qualified to be President? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

#26 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 11:00 AM | Reply

"Remember back in the campaign when Trump would crow about how someone who is under investigation is not qualified to be President? "

I remember Trump telling me if I voted for HRC, the President would face years of investigations and charges.

Turns out it was the only truth he told during the entire campaign.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 11:03 AM | Reply

I am wondering where are all the usual? Normally they are scatting all over us with the vast understanding of the constitution, fiscal policy, (re Kansas) and the law.
But then I remember they are spineless ------- with narrow shoulders who fold into blubbering children under the slightest burden.
You people deserve every bit of ridicule and scorn. Less than men.

#28 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-12-01 11:03 AM | Reply

Why aren't flags required to be made of flame resistant materials?

#24 | POSTED BY DANNI

Not sure if this was sarcasm or not, but the proper way to dispose of a worn out American Flag is to burn it in a burning ceremony. Would make those ceremonies kinda difficult if it didn't burn.

#29 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-12-01 11:03 AM | Reply

Of course, the verdict in the SF shooting case is more newsworthy. LOL!

This nothingburger sure looks tasty.

#30 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-12-01 11:06 AM | Reply

That erratic and unpredictable behavior that seems to be getting worse? That's what one might consider, "buggy."

#31 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-12-01 11:08 AM | Reply

#28

They don't have their approved talking points and spin from their propaganda network yet. It might take a few hours. For now, they would only be bringing up the verdict from San Francisco and immigration. Please wait, they'll be here soon enough.

#32 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-12-01 11:11 AM | Reply

Ohh and the lie that Flynn admitted to was about his collusion with Russia

#10 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Everyone is missing the buried lede: This CONFIRMS that Trump's National Security Advisor contacted the Russian ambassador, spoke about actions taken by the then-POTUS as it regards sanctions against Russia for interfering in the US electoral process, and then when questioned about it he LIED TO THE FBI about what he had done.

If this doesn't conclusively show collusion between the Trump team and the Russian government, then it will do until the even more salacious and treasonous details of this unholy alliance come to the fore in the days to come.

Flynn is pleading guilty to a felony offense directly related to his personal contact with a Russian government official in his capacity as the announced (and later placed) National Security Advisor for the Trump Administration. On this point, collusion is no longer conjecture, it's fact.

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-12-01 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Not sure if this was sarcasm or not"

Of course it was. If we honestly cared about American flags we would require them to be made in America. We don't, so most of them are shipped here from China.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 11:13 AM | Reply

"Everyone is missing the buried lede: This CONFIRMS that Trump's National Security Advisor contacted the Russian ambassador, spoke about actions taken by the then-POTUS as it regards sanctions against Russia for interfering in the US electoral process, and then when questioned about it he LIED TO THE FBI about what he had done."

And now, to avoid prison Flynn will probably inform (or already has) Mueller that Trump was totally aware of his actions then entire time which spells C O L L U S I O N on the part of the idiot we call the President.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 11:15 AM | Reply

"This nothingburger sure looks tasty."

It's particularly good with a side of Freedom Fries.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 11:16 AM | Reply

" that Trump was totally aware of his actions"

Impossible.

That would mean Trump told a lie.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 11:16 AM | Reply

Personally, I like it with a piece of that great Mar A Lago chocolate cake. It's the best chocolate cake! Believe me!

#38 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 11:17 AM | Reply

Flynn is prepared to testify that Donald Trump ordered him to contact Russia.

#39 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 11:20 AM | Reply

Right wing radio was claiming this is nothing because it's only one charge of lying to the FBI.

Because of course when taking an extraordinary step of indicting a POTUS a prosecutor will jump at the slightest bit of evidence as opposed to building an airtight case worthy of the gravity of the situation.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-01 11:21 AM | Reply

Now we know why the GOP is so hot to get the tax scam passed last night.

#41 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The general told confidants about his decision to plead guilty in the last 24 hours, according to people close to Flynn, who say the former adviser feels President Trump has abandoned him and has agreed to answer questions about the president or anyone else. "

abcnews.go.com

#42 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Look at all the trump supporters here to defend trump's pick for national security advisor! He picks "the best people" afterall.

[chirp, chirp, chirp...]

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 11:26 AM | Reply

Hopefully Flynn can provide something useful. That he's cooperating should mean that he can.

#44 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-01 11:26 AM | Reply

Trump was right. This probe will be over by Christmas.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/30835791@N07/34675194985

#45 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 11:26 AM | Reply

Joy Lin‏ @joyindc

ABC News' @BrianRoss reports that Flynn is prepared to testify President Trump directed him to make contact with Russians
8:02 AM - 1 Dec 2017

Joy Lin @ThisWeekABC show producer. Former White House and campaign trail producer.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-01 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Flynn is prepared to testify President Trump directed him to make contact with Russians"

Time to flip the Nothingburger.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 11:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Unfortunately it's still up to a GOP Congress to act.

And I can see them justifying killing their own mothers over impeaching a sitting Republican POTUS.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-01 11:31 AM | Reply

Some of their mothers voted Democrat.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 11:38 AM | Reply

And I can see them justifying killing their own mothers over impeaching a sitting Republican POTUS.
#48 | POSTED BY JPW

What about the criminal angle of obstruction of justice?

I haven't been following all the legal stuff that closely, but isn't that separate than impeachment?

#50 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2017-12-01 11:40 AM | Reply

Wasn't there someone here who said Flynn would flip to protect his kid?

#51 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's now a report that Flynn is saying Trump told him to contact the russians during the election. The DOW is dropping rapidly on this nothingburger: www.cnbc.com

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Please please please please please provide enough evidence to Mueller to get a Trump indictment.

#53 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-01 11:43 AM | Reply

Trump may have to issue a last minute pardon to prevent Flynn from pleading guilty and testifying. Unfortunately, Flynn may have already said under oath everything they needed in affidavits and sworn statements.

#54 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 11:44 AM | Reply

Flynn has already pleaded guilty, Syc.

#55 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-01 11:45 AM | Reply

What happens if Mueller gets an indictment of Trump but the Republicans still refuse to impeach?

#56 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-01 11:45 AM | Reply

What happens if Mueller gets an indictment of Trump but the Republicans still refuse to impeach?

#56 | POSTED BY MODER8

Dems will the House and Senate and the Trump/Pence go bye bye.

#57 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 11:46 AM | Reply

"What happens if Mueller gets an indictment of Trump but the Republicans still refuse to impeach?"

Probably the American people will elect Democrats in 2018. Then, a Democratic Congress can vote to impeach.

#58 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Dems will the House and Senate and the Trump/Pence go bye bye."

Realize what that would mean. Ryan would no longer be Speaker, so we would then welcome President Pelosi! Wouldn't that be amazing!

#59 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 11:48 AM | Reply

Flynn has already pleaded guilty, Syc.

#55 | POSTED BY CBOB

Good call. I hadn't realized he had yet but just that he was planning to.

But what are they holding over his head to prevent him from backing out of testifying?

#60 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 11:57 AM | Reply

"Dems will the House and Senate and the Trump/Pence go bye bye."
Realize what that would mean. Ryan would no longer be Speaker, so we would then welcome President Pelosi! Wouldn't that be amazing!

#59 | POSTED BY DANNI

Well that sort of ruins it for me... But not that much.

#61 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--we would then welcome President Pelosi!

The horror...the horror.

#62 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-12-01 12:03 PM | Reply

Wait a minute....

donnie dealmaker said this whole thing was a hoax...

Why would Mike Flynn plead guilty to a hoax???

#63 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-12-01 12:07 PM | Reply

"But what are they holding over his head to prevent him from backing out of testifying?"

Sonny.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 12:08 PM | Reply

"Sonny."

Meanwhile, Fredo is President.
video.search.yahoo.com

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 12:13 PM | Reply

When did they put House of Cards on CNN???

#66 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-12-01 12:13 PM | Reply

Manafort Monday then Flynn Friday.

I can't wait for Trump Tuesday and Sessions Saturday.

#67 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-01 12:13 PM | Reply

Now we know why the GOP is so hot to get the tax scam passed last night.

#41 | POSTED BY 726

Don't take your eyes off that bouncing ball. It is still going on. They are trying to vote right now.

#68 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 12:14 PM | Reply

"The horror...the horror."

If you're against her it confirms my support for President Pelosi.

#69 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 12:16 PM | Reply

So....I'm not seeing much defense from the DR Conservatives.

They have said for months there is no evidence. No proof of collusion. Nothing.

Ask and you shall receive. And Flynn was no coffee boy...

I think even the liberals on the site are not fully understanding how serious this is.

This is the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States indicating the President ordered him to communicate with the Russians and possibly more. We could not only be talking about Collusion but potentially Treason.

#70 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This is the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States indicating the President ordered him to communicate with the Russians and possibly more. We could not only be talking about Collusion but potentially Treason."

I can't speak for anyone else but I was talking treason immediately after the election and I got ridiculed for it. Now, those same folks will never acknowledge that and pretend to have always been suspicious of Trump and Flynn. They also never supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. They also never supported the Vietnam War.

#71 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 12:22 PM | Reply

Same folks also always ridiculed anyone, including me, that didn't accept the single shooter theory about JFK's assassination.

I correctly predicted that the SC would uphold Obamacare because they had made too many conservative decision prior to that decision and politically they needed to throw a bone to the other side which they did though they thought they were crippling the program by allowing states to refuse Medicaid Expansion which it did effectively in red states.
Then comes the 2016 election and I correctly predicted that the Republicans would do anything and everything to win because the lean of the court was at stake and they did.
Now, pardons will be issued, Trump will just ignore the courts as long as he has a Republican majority in Congress and don't think that events or ideas will change that, the Republicans will steal the next election and Trump will be in no danger from a Democratic controlled Congress. They have too much at stake to risk their power on democracy.

#73 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 12:28 PM | Reply

Great thread to read, people.

I found out that Pelosi is scarier than Trump. That's why I read here, I learn something new every day.

Now just waiting for Vlad to turn state's evidence by confirming that Trump agreed to remove sanctions in exchange for help from the Russian Troll Support Team.... and to release the ------------- tapes which, really, who would want to see that?

Other than FishP, I mean.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 12:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#72 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

That's right.

But that's not what he is testifying to.

Try reading before posting your garbage on here.

#75 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 12:28 PM | Reply

Flynn is pleading guilty to the same thing Trump fired him for.

#72 | POSTED BY Robert Mueller

Well,,, thank you for shedding light on your investigation and letting us in on your findings.

#76 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-12-01 12:30 PM | Reply

"Flynn is pleading guilty to the same thing Trump fired him for."

Uh, no.

But while I have your attention: what's your reaction to the fact the White House knew for 17 days Flynn was possibly compromised, and kept him on in THAT position?

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Putin must be sitting back laughing at just what a clown circus he has made the US government. His goal was not the removal of sanctions or the improving of relations. It was to make the US election system into a mockery.

Good job GOP.

#79 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We could not only be talking about Collusion but potentially Treason.

#70 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

😱

Looks to be an interesting Friday. Trillions of dollars are about to change hands. And the noise around the President tightens. But.

The action right now is over on CSPAN2. The Dems seem to be doing their darndest to at least slow things down. But I fear the vote on the Tax Scam cannot be stopped. It is just a matter of time now. The stock market is trembling... in anticipation. And I am trying unsuccessfully to figure out what it means to MY taxes.

#80 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 12:31 PM | Reply

When you catch a Constitutionally elected President in crimes worthy of impeachment without the Congress to do anything about it he becomes more powerful and his risk of impeachment will decrease especially in a nation where election theft is accepted. That will increase his power and potentially allow him to become a dictator like his God Putin.

#81 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 12:32 PM | Reply

Noise = noose... darn it Siri!

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 12:33 PM | Reply

When Donald Trump was asked who he wanted to be when he grew up he pointed to a picture of Putin.

#83 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 12:33 PM | Reply

someone had to be the sacrificial lamb for the rabid Establishment.

CONGRATS!

#84 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2017-12-01 12:33 PM | Reply

I'm not sure I would agree that the ------- wouldn't Dump Trump before the 2018 election if the charges from the SP are dire enough. I mean, they prolly want to get rid of him before 2020 anyway as he won't be favored to win against whomever the Dems run.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 12:33 PM | Reply

#77 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Notice how the other mouth breathers are patiently waiting for their favorite hate radio hosts to issue the official GOP talking points on this.

Fishpaw isn't nearly as smart as they are.

He came sprinting in naked so we could all point and laugh at him.

#86 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-12-01 12:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 3

That will increase his power and potentially allow him to become a dictator like his God Putin.

#81 | POSTED BY DANNI

I heard we have an Amendment that covers that possibility.

#87 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 12:34 PM | Reply

@#72 ... Flynn is pleading guilty to the same thing Trump fired him for. ...

Trump told aides firing Flynn was a mistake
www.politico.com

...The president has grown obsessed with defending the tough-talking 58-year-old general, repeatedly telling aides and associates in private that Flynn was a 'good man.'

Two days after firing Michael Flynn as his national security adviser in February, President Donald Trump told several aides and friends he should have kept him instead.

Trump, several people close to him say, sometimes appears to question decisions even after they've been made. He told New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie that he could still be labor secretary even after he'd publicly named Alexander Acosta to the role. He privately told former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani he could potentially still name him as attorney general after he'd offered Jeff Sessions to the job.

But the Flynn situation has been different, several officials and advisers said. "I was kind of stunned," one person said. "I asked him. You fired him already. What are you going to do?"

Trump has grown obsessed with defending the tough-talking 58-year old general, repeatedly telling aides and associates in private that Flynn was a "good man." One adviser close to Trump said he's heard Trump defend the general using the exact words described in reports of memos written by former FBI director James Comey recording his conversations with the president -- and that Trump has told people inside the White House he wished the investigation would go away.

It has left White House officials and outside advisers perplexed: Why is Trump so determined to defend a man at the center of a federal investigation that is damaging his administration, and a man he has accused of lying to his vice president?...

#88 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-01 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Mr Mueller is now inside the White House gates.


#89 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-01 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I'm not sure I would agree that the ------- wouldn't Dump Trump before the 2018 election if the charges from the SP are dire enough. I mean, they prolly want to get rid of him before 2020 anyway as he won't be favored to win against whomever the Dems run."

I don't agree but anything is possible. However Republicans impeaching a Republican President, I don't think that will ever happen no matter what he does. But we shall see. I think most probably it is up to the Koch brothers and other donors. They own the Republicans, we can see from the tax cuts that Republicans in Congress are very obedient, so whatever the Koch brothers tell them to do will be what happens.
Watching Lindsey Graham admit that on camera was stomach churning. How can he ever pretend to be a principled law maker again?

#90 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 12:42 PM | Reply

"I am trying unsuccessfully to figure out what it means to MY taxes."

You're f^^^^d, eventually. In the meantime, you might be thrown a few scraps.

If you give me particulars regarding income range, # of kids, their ages, and itemized deductions, I can make a fairly educated guess.

Income range: just let me know if you're over or under $46K/person
# of kids
#16 and under
Do you itemize?

If yes on the last, I'll have a few more quick questions to ask.

#91 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 12:42 PM | Reply

"It has left White House officials and outside advisers perplexed: Why is Trump so determined to defend a man at the center of a federal investigation that is damaging his administration, and a man he has accused of lying to his vice president?"

Paging Occum.

#92 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Don't forget to gloat that you predicted Hillary winning the electoral in a landslide."

No, I hoped she would but I expected election theft which did occur. I said that with the SC at stake the right would do anything and everything to prevent a Democratic President from being elected. I did say she led in the polls, I do believe she would have won a fair election but I knew that the thieves of the Republican Party were going to try and steal the election which they did. And folks like you pretty much know that is true but won't let yourself admit you believe it because it would cause you too much anguish to admit you support crooks.

#93 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 12:45 PM | Reply

Here's some FOX Gnus spin (directly from the WH)

‘This is a win for the White House'

The White House said late Friday morning that "nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn.

One person familiar with the mood in the West Wing insisted top White House officials were breathing a sigh of relief.

"People in the building are very happy," the source said. "This doesn't lead back to Trump in any way, shape or form." The source noted that Flynn is being charged for making false statements, but not for any improper actions during the campaign.

"This is a further indication that there's nothing there," the source said. "This is a win for the White House."

And another source, who is close to Trump, attempted to downplay the severity of the charge against Flynn by noting that lying in Washington is not new. The source maintained that he was still not worried about any potential cooperation between Flynn and the prosecutors.

Hillary Clinton, whom Trump defeated in the 2016 general election and was the focus of the "lock her up" chant first popularized by Flynn at the Republican National Convention, declined through a spokesman to comment on Friday's developments."

more

fox13now.com

Denial... not just a river in Egypt.

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 12:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The fact Flynn had multiple exposures, but is only pleading to lesser charges, speaks volumes.

No one's fault but the WH they all have their fingers in their ears.

#95 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#morewinningfortheWhiteHouse!

#96 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 01:00 PM | Reply

The stock market is trembling... in anticipation. And I am trying unsuccessfully to figure out what it means to MY taxes.

#80 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

No one really knows what is in the bill they are voting on in the Senate.

Remember when that used to matter to the right?

#97 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're f^^^^d, eventually. In the meantime, you might be thrown a few scraps.

Unless you are a billionaire or a corporation, you are screwed as all the meager crumbs tossed to you will expire.

The GOP's goal was to reduce corporate taxes, eliminate the estate tax and kill entitlements.

#98 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 01:06 PM | Reply

What I find astounding is the level of stupidity and arrogance exhibited by dotard and his inner circle that their criminal acts would not come to light.

#99 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 01:07 PM | Reply

"If Flynn Is Small Fry, Who's the Bigger Fish in Mueller's Net?

excerpts

"It's an ironic turn for a man who first reached widespread national attention leading chants of "Lock her up!" about Hillary Clinton at the 2016 Republican National Convention."

(gotta love the irony)

According to the special counsel, Flynn spoke to Kislyak asking him to refrain from responding to new sanctions imposed in the waning days of the Obama administration, and that Flynn asked Kislyak to delay or defeat a UN Security Council vote; he then lied about those conversations with the FBI.

The fact that Flynn was operating on behalf of the incoming government represents the first concrete case of Trump's presidential staff, rather than his campaign team, covering up contacts with Russia."

www.theatlantic.com

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 01:08 PM | Reply

kushner is next.

#101 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-12-01 01:08 PM | Reply

#77 | Posted by fishpaw

Don't forget obama warned trump about flynn, but trump ignored him. Because obama = bad, and trump hires the best people, right?

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 01:09 PM | Reply

someone had to be the sacrificial lamb for the rabid Establishment.

CONGRATS!

#84 | Posted by AuntieSocial

Trump fired flynn as his sacrificial lamb. Does that make trump the rabid establishment?

#103 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 01:10 PM | Reply

Good call. I hadn't realized he had yet but just that he was planning to.
But what are they holding over his head to prevent him from backing out of testifying?

#60 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-12-01 11:57 AM | FLAG:

Usually the prosecution reserves the right to withdraw the plea deal if the defendant fails to live up to his side of the bargain.

#104 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-01 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." abcn.ws

#105 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-12-01 01:13 PM | Reply

"Don't forget to gloat that you predicted Hillary winning the electoral in a landslide."

Fishpaw thinks the electoral college is the same thing as the election, notice the use of the word "electoral" instead of election. To him and other Trump supporters, elections don't matter any more, only the electoral college does because they know they can't win an election but they can steal the vote in enough swing states to steal an election with the electoral college. And that is exactly what happened.

#106 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 01:14 PM | Reply

Trump is currently in hiding. Cancelled his photo ops for today.

#107 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-01 01:19 PM | Reply


 

@#105 [Flynn] is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians."

If true, that ain't good.

#108 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-01 01:20 PM | Reply

I wonder how long it'll take Flynn to hang himself.

#109 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-01 01:28 PM | Reply

Remember ladies. Flynn had contact with the Russians AFTER Trump won the election. It's perfectly natural for heads of state to get to know one another. The conversation had to do with the sanctions imposed by Obama.

This is the same -------- crime Martha Stewart went to jail for. Becauase they couldn't nail her for insider trading.

Again. There was no collusion with the Russians outside of standard diplomatic protocol.

Curse at me all you want and see if I give a damn.

#110 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 01:35 PM | Reply

You know how sometimes you get a song stuck in your head?

Trump's got this classic stuck in his head today.

--With apologies to the late Warren Zevon--

I went home with the general
The way I always do
How was I to know
He was with the Russians, too?

I was gambling with the White House
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money, son, get me out of this
Hah!

I'm the innocent bystander
Somehow I got stuck
Between the rock and a hard place
And I'm down on my luck, yes I'm down on my luck
Well I'm down on my luck

And I'm hiding in the Twitter
I'm a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns and money
The twit has hit the fan

All right, send lawyers, guns and money
Send lawyers, guns and money
Send lawyers, guns and money
Send lawyers, guns and money
Ooh!
Yeah!

(Waddy Wachtel guitar riff)

Listen: youtu.be

#111 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-01 01:36 PM | Reply

#110 | POSTED BY RAY

So what you're saying is that Mitch McConnell isn't the only moron in the GOP that thinks a 2nd Presidential term is only 3 years?

Also, you're a gullible one to think he didn't have contact with Russians before the general.

#112 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-01 01:37 PM | Reply

@#94 ... [From a news show]... The White House said late Friday morning that "nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn.

Yet.

A simple, three-letter word, but a very important small, three-letter word in this case.

Mr Mueller went from obtaining a guilty plea from a "coffee-boy" to Pres Trump's NSA Director in, how many weeks?

To me it looks as if the second derivative of the investigation's progress is positive.

#113 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-01 01:38 PM | Reply

Ray, you are living in a fantasy world if you think that's all there is to this.

#114 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-01 01:39 PM | Reply

There was no collusion with the Russians outside of standard diplomatic protocol.

Curse at me all you want and see if I give a damn.

#110 | Posted by Ray

There is no "Standard diplomatic protocol" in promising sanction relief to our enemies in exchange for support in a political campaign.

The trump jr. emails show intent to collude.

Trump's on air statements show intent to obstruct justice.

PS you're an idiot.

#115 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 01:41 PM | Reply

"Again. There was no collusion with the Russians outside of standard diplomatic protocol."

Don Junior LOVES IT!

#116 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 01:41 PM | Reply

"The trump jr. emails show intent to collude."

Their defense is they were a dismal failure, and didn't get what they expected.

IOW, the same thing the guy tells Chris Hansen when he walks in with condoms & beer.

#117 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 01:43 PM | Reply

I think people need to settle down a bit. Don't get caught up in the excitement. This still has a ways to go.

Mueller knows that this is political, so if he wants to actually get convictions he has to play the political side as well. My prediction is he is going to save his big moves until the end of next summer. Keep in mind, the Manafort trial is set to start on May 4th.

Trump can still fire Mueller (would probably require another Saturday Night Massacre, but he can do it) and still has the power to pardon. And Republicans are such toadies that they cannot be counted on to protect Mueller from Trump no matter how damning the evidence, unless they are forced to. So, if he wants to accomplish directive to prosecute wrongdoing, he will have to wait to make the big moves until election season when the electorate can hold their representatives responsible (the electorate has a short memory, so he can't do it too early). Only the fear of getting voted out of office can be counted on to make Republicans do the right thing and shield Mueller from Trump and Republican partisanship.

So, it will probably continue to drip... drip... drip, with maybe a splash now and then for about the next 9 months. Then things will get interesting.

#118 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-12-01 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#110 | POSTED BY RAY

He isn't being charged for his interactions with the Russians. He is being charged for LYING TO THE FBI!

So answer this for me... if what he was doing wasn't wrong, then why did he commit a FELONY and lie about it to the FBI?

#119 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-12-01 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I noticed the conversations Flynn is pleading guilty to making false statements about happened after Trump had been elected President. While this isn't proof of election collusion, I'm not sure what authorities are granted to interim officials in a newly elected administration. But here is what Flynn did then subsequently lied about doing...

After Trump was elected and was organizing his administration, Michael Flynn, as the incoming National Security Adviser, asked the Russian Ambassador to not escalate Russia's response to the new US sanctions enacted by Obama. He then lied about having had that conversation.

There is documented proof Flynn had these conversations. It's not even debatable. Is Flynn defending Trump and forcing Mueller to charge him with giving misleading statements? Or is Flynn agreeing to plea to some pretty minor charges in order to not be charged with more serious crimes involving himself and Trump? Reports from the news seem to indicate Flynn was in conversation with the Russians during the election at Trump's insistence. That seems to be where this is heading. Still not proof of election collusion....yet. But we are ALMOST there. Impeaching Trump by Dec. 25th would be the best Christmas present the US ever received. Tick-tock.

#120 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-12-01 01:54 PM | Reply

Kushner Is Said to Have Ordered Flynn to Contact Russia

Now that the retired general has pleaded guilty, the president's son-in-law could be one of the next dominoes to fall.

www.bloomberg.com

#121 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-01 01:55 PM | Reply

"Impeaching Trump by Dec. 25th would be the best Christmas present the US ever received. Tick-tock."

Oddly, once the tax bill is signed, the Rs will no longer have any use for Trump. He becomes nothing but an albatross going forward.

#122 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So answer this for me... if what he was doing wasn't wrong, then why did he commit a FELONY and lie about it to the FBI?

#119 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKUL

I was thinking the same.....

Also what would the charges be if he hadn't lied?

#123 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-12-01 02:00 PM | Reply

So lets not talk/work with russia to defeat isis....

What is it you people want?

I want to find the real killer and reason for the murder of seth rich.....im gonna get all OJ on this one too.

#124 | Posted by mutant at 2017-12-01 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So answer this for me... if what he was doing wasn't wrong, then why did he commit a FELONY and lie about it to the FBI?
#119 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKUL
I was thinking the same.....
Also what would the charges be if he hadn't lied?

#123 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN AT 2017-12-01 02:00 PM | FLAG:

It's part of a longer arc. Read the article right after the one Gal Tuesday posted...
www.bloomberg.com

FTA:
The content of the Flynn-Kislyak conversations deepens the narrative that special counsel Robert Mueller has been building: Earlier guilty pleas revealed Russian efforts to connect with the Trump campaign; this one reveals official contacts between the Trump team and Russia after the election -- contact significant enough for Flynn to lie to the FBI about.

#125 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-01 02:05 PM | Reply

Why lie to fbi scumbags??? Perhaps the fbi was under control by a short timer at the time??? I guess we wait and find out

#126 | Posted by mutant at 2017-12-01 02:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So lets not talk/work with russia to defeat isis....

What is it you people want?

I want to find the real killer and reason for the murder of seth rich.....im gonna get all OJ on this one too.

#124 | Posted by mutant

Then they would have said that's what they were doing, not lied to cover it up.

The trump jr emails reveal that's not what they were doing anyway. Have you read them? The russian government wanted sanction relief in exchange for helping trump. That has nothing to do with ISIS. Nice try though.

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 02:17 PM | Reply

"So lets not talk/work with russia to defeat isis...."

What garbage. ISIS hasnn't killed as many, not nearly as many Syrians as has Assad with the assistance of Putin. Putin's only concerns about ISIS are if ISIS moves into some of the former USSR nations like Uzbekistan. You really just feel a need to defend your hero Trump who feels a mandate to side with Putin because he is owned by Putin. Sad day in America when Sad Sacks like you feel the need to defend traitors.

#128 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 02:18 PM | Reply

"The trump jr emails reveal that's not what they were doing anyway. Have you read them? The russian government wanted sanction relief in exchange for helping trump. That has nothing to do with ISIS. Nice try though."

Putin knows very well how to get rid of the sanctions, either own the President or get out of Crimea. He's building a huge bridge from Russia to Crimea so I'm betting that to Putin it seems his best option is to own the President which Trump conveniently presents him with that exact opportunity.

#129 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-01 02:20 PM | Reply

ABC News Politics‏ @ABCPolitics

Michael Flynn "is prepared to testify...against Pres. Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House," @BrianRoss reports.

abcnews.go.com

#130 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-01 02:26 PM | Reply

#125 Thanks CBoB So the Logan Act... ok

#131 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-12-01 02:38 PM | Reply

Curse at me all you want and see if I give a damn.
#110 | POSTED BY RAY

Curse you Ray!

Always foiling our diabolical plans to root out Russians spies (Flynn) and cohorts (now proven not a hoax) in the hostile cyber attacks (actually happened) on our Democratic institutions.

#132 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Our country is going down in flames thanks to dummycrats

who ran that stupid witch with the help of MSM hollywood sex monsters.

Thanks, Obama.

#133 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-12-01 02:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Our country is going down in flames thanks to dummycrats

who ran that stupid witch with the help of MSM hollywood sex monsters.

Thanks, Obama.

#133 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Yeah remember when all those dummycrats elected a russian puppet con man?

Oh wait...

#135 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Get back on your Purity Pony and ride off into the sunset(or off a cliff) Trumplesheepskin.

#136 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-01 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Purity Pony #136 |

*drink*

#137 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-12-01 03:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Fact: Trump is potus because Clinton

#138 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-12-01 03:04 PM | Reply

Funny flag.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-01 03:07 PM | Reply

So now you're channeling Fast Eddie? Trumplesheepskin keeps finding new lows.

#140 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-01 03:08 PM | Reply

"Alexa, is it possible for Sheeple to start a sentence with Trump that doesn't end with a deflection to Clinton?"

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-01 03:09 PM | Reply

Fact: Trump is potus because Clinton

#138 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Trump is president because of many factors, and any one of them are "the reason" he got elected.

Yes Bernie probably would have beaten him, but that doesn't change the fact that people thinking hillary is as bad as trump therefore they can't vote for her are ANOTHER the reason for president trump.

If swing state voters were smart enough to know getting a flu is better than getting aids, our country would have a flu in the oval office right now instead of AIDS.

#142 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy: "Alexa, is it possible for Sheeple to start a sentence with Trump that doesn't end with a deflection to Clinton?"

Alexa: "No. Because as we all know douchebags gotta douche."

#143 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-01 03:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Boy, those nothingburgers sure proved to be filling, n'est çe pas?

#144 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-12-01 03:15 PM | Reply

The charge of lying against Flynn implies they have no hard evidence against Trump.

A prosecuter like Mueller could find a criminal charge against Mother Teresa.

#145 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 03:19 PM | Reply

The charge of lying against Flynn implies they have no hard evidence against Trump.

A prosecuter like Mueller could find a criminal charge against Mother Teresa.

#145 | Posted by Ray

Ray how many threads to you need to prove your ignorance on at one time?

You get charges on the little fish to get them to testify against the big fish.

As any moron who's ever watched a cops show already knows.

#146 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 03:21 PM | Reply

Well, since Raystradamus says there's not evidence it must be so!!

In other news Ray's another example of Tillerson's ------- Moron Brigade.

#147 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-01 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A prosecuter like Mueller could find a criminal charge against Mother Teresa."

Mother Teresa didn't lie to the FBI about meeting with the Russians.

"The charge of lying against Flynn implies they have no hard evidence against Trump."

You cannot be that dense.

Read a little history, Ray. Look at the way Mueller operates. And then watch the Lester Holt interview as many times as it takes.

#148 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 03:24 PM | Reply


@#110 ... Flynn had contact with the Russians AFTER Trump won the election. It's perfectly natural for heads of state to get to know one another. ... This is the same -------- crime Martha Stewart went to jail for. Becauase they couldn't nail her for insider trading. ...

You're missing a couple (at least) of key points here:

1) Ms Stewart was not in the process of negotiating with a Special Prosecutor.

2) Well, I'll let someone else explain, as he does it much better than I could...
www.vox.com

Jens David Ohlin, law professor, Cornell University

The fact that Flynn was charged with, and is pleading guilty to, such a minor crime suggests a bombshell of a deal with prosecutors. Flynn was facing serious criminal liability for a variety of alleged missteps, including his failure to register as an agent of a foreign power. If this is the entirety of the plea deal, the best explanation for why Mueller would agree to it is that Flynn has something very valuable to offer in exchange: damaging testimony on someone else. Who? That's not clear, but it probably is someone at the center -- or close to the center -- of this criminal enterprise....


Mr Mueller is now inside the White House gates, and his investigation seems to be gaining momentum.

So don't let this minor plea bargain lead you to believe that all is sunshine and roses. It ain't.

#149 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-01 03:26 PM | Reply

"Who? That's not clear..."

I've got three guesses.

#150 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 03:29 PM | Reply

This is either grossly unjust or they let Flynn off of more serious charges in exchange for full cooperation. If it's the latter, grab some popcorn because it might be huge.

#151 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-01 03:33 PM | Reply

#151

Are you honestly not sure? I'll give you a hint: It's the latter.

The idea Mueller has missed a violation we all know--failing to register as a foreign agent--goes beyond the pale.

#152 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 03:48 PM | Reply


@#151 ... they let Flynn off of more serious charges in exchange for full cooperation. ...

... or they temporarily let Mr Flynn off of more serious charges until they determine that what he delivers corresponds to what he had promised to deliver.

There's nothing stopping Mr Mueller from bringing forth much more serious charges in the future, if Mr Flynn's cooperation does not warrant the current plea scenario.

#153 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-12-01 03:51 PM | Reply

it might be huge.

#151 | Posted by JeffJ

Might be?

I bet I know what Joe Biden would say.. "This is a Big Effing Deal!"

www.youtube.com

#154 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 03:54 PM | Reply

#151

Warm up the popcorn machine.

Statement of Offense

Plea Agreement See section 8 "Cooperation."

#155 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-01 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There was no collusion with the Russians outside of standard diplomatic protocol.

Of all the places to finally put a little trust in government, Ray chooses this situation.

If everything was above board Trump and his cronies wouldn't have lied about it all the time -- even to the FBI. Kushner wouldn't have tried to set up a secret communications channel to Russia in the Russian embassy. Trump wouldn't have fired Comey in an attempt to kill the investigation.

You're a guy standing in a house full of smoke and telling everybody there's no fire. It's like you've never experienced a government scandal before. Your credibility is dwindling by the minute. You have to know that more developments are coming. Some perhaps as early as today.

#156 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The critical piece of information in the Statement of Offense is Flynn's discussions with Senior Trump Transition Team members throughout the ENTIRE process of discussing the sanctions! That is the WOW here. The SOO uses the term VERY senior member.

#157 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-01 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#151

What's far more likely is that Flynn has very good information and was therefore in a strong bargaining position. "I think that's most likely what's going on here, and that would be very bad news for Trump," Alex said.

The reward Flynn is receiving for his cooperation appears to be substantial and that brings into sharp focus just how significant his evidence is likely to be, Alex also noted. "The plea agreement contains a calculation of the guideline range for Flynn's guilty plea, which is calculated to be 0 to 6 months. The government also agrees not to prosecute Flynn for any other charges arising out of the statement of facts. This means that if Flynn fulfills his end of the bargain, it is a certainty that he will not spend a day in jail. In light of the evidence of Flynn's overall misconduct, this result strongly indicates that Flynn has very important information to offer." www.justsecurity.org

#158 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-01 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Comey tweets after Flynn guilty plea:

James Comey

@Comey
"But justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream" Amos 5:24
www.instagram.com
12:01 PM - Dec 1, 2017

In October, Comey, then using the pseudonym "Reinhold Niebuhr" on Twitter, tweeted about "man's inclination to injustice" after former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his business associate, Richard Gates, were indicted for money laundering under the probe.

"'Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary.' Reinhold Niebuhr," Comey tweeted at the time.

thehill.com

#159 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 04:09 PM | Reply

#158

Psst... don't tell Raystradamus!

#160 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 04:10 PM | Reply

Might want to get used to "President Ryan".

#161 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-01 04:14 PM | Reply

The patriots in the breitbart comment section are openly threaten to go on murder sprees if trump is impeached.

#162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 04:17 PM | Reply

You have to wonder. With Scarborough talking about Trump's allies talking about Trump's "early stages of dementia" is this a leak to provide a path to get Trump off the hook?

#163 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-01 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#161 | Posted by boaz

Nah, my bet is that Pence is a clueless buffoon in this. Trump pretty obviously didn't want him as a running mate after he picked him and has kept him in the dark.

#164 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-01 04:21 PM | Reply

#163

"The dementia made me do it!"

Sounds about right.

#165 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 04:21 PM | Reply

There's a house not too far from where I live that still has their Trump yard signs up, repositioned close to their house, from the election.

If Trump goes down, what are the odds these people end up like the famous Japanese soldier who was stationed on a remote island and regarded any information about the war being over, Japan defeated, as enemy propaganda and maintained his orders for decades?

#166 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2017-12-01 04:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nah, my bet is that Pence is a clueless buffoon in this. Trump pretty obviously didn't want him as a running mate after he picked him and has kept him in the dark.

#164 | Posted by GalaxiePete

I wouldn't make that bet if I were you. He helped spread trump team's lies and false denials. He in fact replaced Christ Christie on the transition team after christie said not to hire Flynn.
Here's a great timeline on the whole affair thus far:
billmoyers.com

#167 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 04:26 PM | Reply

#163
"The dementia made me do it!"
Sounds about right.
#165 | POSTED BY CORKY

That ebil Obamacare made him do it.

#168 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 04:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Trump White House caught off guard by Flynn plea

But there is a growing sense of dread among Trump's closest confidants that the noose is tightening -- if not around the president, then around his closest advisers and family members.

One person close to the White House described the mood this way: "What they're freaked out about is that there are no leaks. Papadopoulos didn't leak. Flynn didn't leak. They feel like they can't trust anyone. Their own counsel didn't know."

But even some of the president's closest confidants on Friday were expressing some skepticism about the president's confidence. "Trump still thinks there's nothing to it and they have nothing," said one person close to the White House. "I think the fact that they did it on one count should be very alarming to the president." excerpts

www.politico.com

#169 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#169 | POSTED BY CORKY

Trump's dementia may be keeping him from soiling his pants.

#170 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 04:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Read a little history, Ray. Look at the way Mueller operates. And then watch the Lester Holt interview as many times as it takes.
#148 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

That's where I'm coming from. Prosecuters have a conviction rate somewhere around 95%. Short of physical torture, they have the power to extort convictions with any number of threats. And they do as a matter of practice. If they can get Martha Stewart, they can get anybody they choose.

The charge of lying, violates the Constitution. A person does not have to testify against himself.

#171 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 05:03 PM | Reply

"A prosecuter like Mueller could find a criminal charge against Mother Teresa."

So to summarize the position of the right:

40 years of investigating Hillary found nothing to charge yet you believe she is a criminal mastermind.

Trumps people are pleading guilty to crimes but IT is just a witch hunt.

Could someone explain how this works?

Looks like willful ignorance to me.

#172 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-12-01 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"A prosecuter like Mueller could find a criminal charge against Mother Teresa."
So to summarize the position of the right:
40 years of investigating Hillary found nothing to charge yet you believe she is a criminal mastermind.
Trumps people are pleading guilty to crimes but IT is just a witch hunt.
Could someone explain how this works?
Looks like willful ignorance to me.

#172 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

It's simple. They are morons.

#173 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-01 05:14 PM | Reply

The charge of lying, violates the Constitution. A person does not have to testify against himself.

Flynn didn't have to talk to the FBI either. He did, he lied and now he's paying the consequences. Making false statements to federal investigators has been a crime going back to the 1860s. There's no Constitutional question.

#174 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 05:16 PM | Reply

Your credibility is dwindling by the minute. You have to know that more developments are coming. Some perhaps as early as today.
#156 | POSTED BY RCADE

Credibility on a liberal website? That would be a miracle.

For the record, I'll restate my position. Trump won't be charged with anything. Reason: he's adjusted to Washington politics and its agenda. Israel owns him, not Russia. For the same reason, Kushner won't be touched either. Trump's family is off limits.

Flynn's real crime was to take a position heretical to the agenda. Unfortunately, I can't recall the source and what he did. If there are others, it will be for similar reasons.

This is an inquisition, not a search for truth.

#175 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 05:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

40 years of investigating Hillary found nothing to charge yet you believe she is a criminal mastermind.
#172 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

You people are awfully naive about how politics works. It only makes sense when you think of it as a religion.

They don't prosecute their own.

#176 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 05:30 PM | Reply

This is an inquisition, not a search for truth.

The truth is that Manafort and Flynn committed serious crimes. Flynn making a deal means someone bigger than him at the White House committed serious crimes.

You can spin elaborate Alex Jones-style fantasies to deny the truth in which everybody you don't like is part of "The Conspiracy" and everyone you like is fighting "The Conspiracy," but that isn't going to fool anybody. Least of all Mueller.

#177 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

They don't prosecute their own.

#176 | POSTED BY RAY

So the federal agency started by a republican and the republican majority congress were on the same side as democratic party leader Hillary?

I think its more likely that you need to lay off the kool-aid; otherwise I'd like to sell you a tinfoil hat.

#179 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-01 05:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

For the record, I'll restate my position. Trump won't be charged with anything.

#175 | Posted by Ray

That's not a POSITION, Simple Ray, that's a PREDICTION. And everyone around here has witnessed your pathetic inability to predict anything.

A POSITION would be "and I'm just fine with that."

#180 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 05:43 PM | Reply

"The charge of lying, violates the Constitution. A person does not have to testify against himself.
#171 | POSTED BY RAY"

Um, Ray, you can waive your rights. And you can be convicted for lying. You are not thinking straight today.

#181 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-12-01 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The fact that Flynn was not charged with big, obvious financial crimes that would be easy for the government to prove indicates that he is in possession of some powerful information implicating some powerful people. This is going to get worse for Trumplethinskin before it gets better. (If it ever gets better.)

#182 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-12-01 05:48 PM | Reply

"They don't prosecute their own.
#176 | POSTED BY RAY"

Wait, what? How come no one told me that!

Bill Clinton

#183 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-12-01 05:49 PM | Reply

Making false statements to federal investigators has been a crime going back to the 1860s. There's no Constitutional question.
#174 | POSTED BY RCADE

That only proves the Constitution is ignored or redefined when it gets in the way.

"The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

www.law.cornell.edu

#184 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 05:54 PM | Reply

... nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself ...

Flynn was not compelled to talk to the FBI. He chose to do it.

A defendant in a criminal trial can choose to testify. If he testifies and lies, he can be charged with perjury. This is quite obviously Constitutional.

#185 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 05:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Um, Ray, you can waive your rights. And you can be convicted for lying. You are not thinking straight today.
#181 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

That doesn't make it right. But I get it.

#186 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 06:01 PM | Reply

That doesn't make it right.

If a person freely chooses to testify in his own trial, I don't see how that's wrong in any way.

#187 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 06:06 PM | Reply

Flynn was not compelled to talk to the FBI. He chose to do it.
#185 | POSTED BY RCADE

I get it. I have no sympathy for Flynn or anybody else in Trump's circle who gets charged. Not for reasons of guilt or innocent. But because they work for government.

A defendant in a criminal trial can choose to testify. If he testifies and lies, he can be charged with perjury. This is quite obviously Constitutional.

And a Hobson's choice.

#188 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 06:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I get it. I have no sympathy for Flynn or anybody else in Trump's circle who gets charged. Not for reasons of guilt or innocent. But because they work for government.

#188 | Posted by Ray

All government employees deserve to be jailed?
You are so pathetic.
And you're too dumb to see that your hatred of government has been fed to you by evil powers that benefit from everyone hating the government, because government is the only thing which can limit their power and wealth.

Government can be used for evil purposes, but so can guns. Do you support the elimination of guns?

#189 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 06:59 PM | Reply

Ray, to quote one of your hero's, Kenneth "little man" Starr.... "Your boy is going to get rolled!"

Better go into hiding and join your fellow Teajadists and join your local TaliBundy type militia. Hint: Beware of drones....

It's going to be a real bad couple of years for your guys....
You may want to move to Saudi Arabia, as they share your type of values.

#190 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-12-01 07:05 PM | Reply

And a Hobson's choice.

Not really. If you can't testify in your trial because you'd have to lie to save your ass, the Constitution gives you a good option: Don't testify. The state still has the burden of proof, not you.

Flynn admitted he lied to the FBI because Mueller has him (and his son) over a barrel due to all the other bad ---- he did. That's a problem of Flynn's own making.

#191 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-01 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

"And you're too dumb to see that your hatred of government has been fed to you by evil powers that benefit from everyone hating the government..." - #189 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-01 06:59 PM

That would be the pig farmer Ray loves to cite.

#192 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-01 07:59 PM | Reply

"You can do anything you want as long as you do it legally."

--Julius Caesar to Vercingetorix, Caesar at the Rubicon

#193 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-12-01 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ray, to quote one of your hero's, Kenneth "little man" Starr.... "Your boy is going to get rolled!"
Better go into hiding and join your fellow Teajadists and join your local TaliBundy type militia. Hint: Beware of drones....
#190 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

I really don't care what happens to Trump.

I only predicted that he and his family will not have charges brought against them. That doesn't mean I support him.

#194 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 10:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Government can be used for evil purposes, but so can guns. Do you support the elimination of guns?
#189 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Yes. For all government employees, including police and military.

#195 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-01 10:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Many made some profit today on very fake news....

Fun times

#196 | Posted by mutant at 2017-12-01 10:54 PM | Reply

There's nothing stopping Mr Mueller from bringing forth much more serious charges in the future, if Mr Flynn's cooperation does not warrant the current plea scenario.
#153 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2017-12-01 03:51 PM | FLAG:

mueller's got the goods on him, in my opinion that's why he's cooperating and if something comes out later that will change his status of cooperation. imho.

#197 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-12-01 11:52 PM | Reply

I really don't care what happens to Trump.
I only predicted that he and his family will not have charges brought against them. That doesn't mean I support him.

#194 | POSTED BY RAY AT 2017-12-01

--------! You nose is growing Pinacchio!
You're an alt-right rube being fed BS by infowars and Fox News, and you go back for seconds!

#198 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-12-02 12:24 AM | Reply

Fishpaw thinks the electoral college is the same thing as the election, notice the use of the word "electoral" instead of election. To him and other Trump supporters, elections don't matter any more, only the electoral college does because they know they can't win an election but they can steal the vote in enough swing states to steal an election with the electoral college. And that is exactly what happened.

#106 | POSTED BY DANNI

So much stupid in so few words...

Danni,the EC is all that has EVER mattered.

#199 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-02 01:17 AM | Reply

Crying towels this morning for all of you haters this morning after ABC retracted the story saying it was after Trump was elected not before? I wish I could invest in therapy stock, I would clean up.

#200 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-12-02 07:56 AM | Reply

Crying towels this morning for all of you haters this morning after ABC retracted the story saying it was after Trump was elected not before? I wish I could invest in therapy stock, I would clean up.
#200 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Silly me. I assumed it was commonly understood that Flynn was instructed to contact the Russians AFTER Trump was elected.

The correction is worth a new thread. Will Rcade do it? Just in case:

"Correction: During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign. That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots. It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS."

abcnews.go.com

#201 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-02 08:31 AM | Reply

That will increase his power and potentially allow him to become a dictator like his God Putin.

#81 | POSTED BY DANNI

I heard we have an Amendment that covers that possibility.

#87 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-01 12:34 PM | Reply

Danni is not a 2ed amendment fan.

And of course all of this is a big nothing-burger that supposedly happened in December.

When was the election again?

#202 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-12-02 08:48 AM | Reply

Where is Speak, Danni and Corky?

#203 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-12-02 08:55 AM | Reply

#203 | Posted by fishpaw
They are trying to figure out how to pay for their non government subsidized health insurance.
They might have to drop their cable provider and sell their second car.

#204 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-12-02 01:05 PM | Reply

Supposedly, Trump personal attorney, John Dowd, is now getting the credit for composing Trump's tweet in which he stated that he got rid of Flynn for lying to Pence and the FBI. This tweet, of course, is an admission by Trump that later, when he attempted to get Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn, Trump knew Flynn had lied to the FBI -- making out a clear case of obstruction of justice by Trump.

So, if Dowd is credited with writing it (he himself hasn't yet said that he did), then Trump's tweet doesn't incriminate Trump, is the ploy. But then you have to believe that Dowd authored a really stupid tweet. Is Dowd a really stupid lawyer? I doubt it. A tweet that dumb could only have been written by the Tweeter in Chief.

(Is "tweeter" what a person who tweets is termed? I really don't know, I don't tweet. Maybe a person who tweets should be called a twit?)

#205 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2017-12-03 07:52 AM | Reply

As a reminder, Flynn was fired for lying to Pence.

#206 | Posted by Ray at 2017-12-03 08:44 AM | Reply

"As a reminder, Flynn was fired for lying to Pence."

As a reminder, that was a ruse.

Flynn was fired because the media revealed Flynn's activities. And if you actually believe Pence is telling the truth, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Then again, you didn't even understand the concept of getting a witness to plead and flip; that it's ALWAYS to get a bigger fish.

#207 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-03 08:49 AM | Reply

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