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Thursday, November 30, 2017

(CNN)An Army veteran says Sen. Al Franken groped her in December 2003, telling CNN that while she was deployed in Kuwait, the Minnesota Democrat cupped her breast during a photo op.

Stephanie Kemplin, 41, of Maineville, Ohio, is the fifth woman in two weeks to accuse Franken of inappropriate touching, and the second person to allege that such behavior took place while Franken was on a USO tour. Three of the five women have been identified by name.

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The list keeps growing.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-30 10:17 AM | Reply

"Kemplin reached out to Tweeden two days after Tweeden went public with her story, and the two women spoke on the phone a few days later. In one of their subsequent conversations, Tweeden asked Kemplin if she could connect her with a CNN reporter."

Something is rotten in Denmark. I look at the photo, she's smiling and looks happy though, by her account, this was after he had touched her breast. Sorry but I don't think Franken is a sexual predator nor do I believe that Garrison Keilor is, minor and accidental touching occurs in these types of situations but all of them are not sexual contacts. This is so far from the idea of a grown man molesting a 14 year old that the very attempt to pretend they are similar is disgusting.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 10:36 AM | Reply

"The list keeps growing."

How many very minor incidents among adults would equal one non-innocent incident involving a 14 year old?

#3 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 10:37 AM | Reply

The issue is corroboration. There isn't isn't any.

But if something comes out, I'm in favor of him resigning. Or if he admits to it.

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-30 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How many very minor incidents among adults would equal one non-innocent incident involving a 14 year old? - #3 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 10:37 AM

I wasn't aware that Franken was linked to an incident involving a 14 year old. Whatabout bringing a 14 year old up in response to an article that may involve a 14 year old?

What happened to all the people in the very first Franken who said they wouldn't believe he did such a thing unless other claims were made? Each time there has been another claim, there are more and more deflections & whataboutism followed by reasons why THIS accuser shouldn't be believed.

#5 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The issue is corroboration. There isn't isn't any.

Except for her sister, an ex boyfriend and a couple of relatives:

She also doesn't recall telling any fellow soldiers about the incident afterwards because she felt ashamed and did not have peers she felt she could confide in. But she discussed it with multiple family members and relatives, including her sister, as well as an ex-boyfriend. CNN interviewed both.

Amy Muddiman, Kemplin's older sister, said she remembers Kemplin being excited that Franken was coming to visit because she had grown up watching SNL.

"I just remember her telling me that he grabbed her breast and that she was so shocked about it," Muddiman said. "My sister is pretty bold and assertive and she said that she didn't know what to do."

One of Kemplin's ex-boyfriends was also in the Army and he and Kemplin dated after the two of them returned to the United States. He asked not to be named to protect his privacy. He told CNN that while he did not remember all of the details of what Kemplin described of her encounter with Franken, she said "he went to put his arm around her and copped a feel.

One relative, whose name CNN is not using to protect the person's privacy, commented on Facebook that her husband "remembers you telling him about (Franken) years ago."

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks for the information Jeff.

How's your boy Roy Moore doing?

He rape any more 14 year olds lately?

How bout Trump? He walk in on undressed 14 year olds and grab their p***ies?

Republicans are hilarious with their demands democrats do something, when they're more than happy with their own bloated garbage party.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 11:36 AM | Reply

#7

If the standard is the other side has a member who did something worse so nah nah nah, we won't get very far.

Democrats should just become the party of people who don't defend sexual assault, regardless of what Republicans do. They'll probably end up more popular anyway.

#8 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 11:45 AM | Reply

"If the standard is the other side has a member who did something worse so nah nah nah, we won't get very far."

Jimmy did it too died out as an excuse, for most of us, before kindergarten.

The question I'd like to ask politicians is "What day, specifically, did 'Jimmy did it' re-become a viable excuse?

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 11:49 AM | Reply

#8

That's a beautiful sentiment.

But this is the real world where nice guys finish last and the Republican Party is raping America.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 11:51 AM | Reply

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How many very minor incidents among adults would equal one non-innocent incident involving a 14 year old?

#3 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-30 10:37 AM

Whataboutism at its "finest."

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 11:51 AM | Reply

#10

Well, if the allegations are true, it's more than just the GOP raping America.

#12 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 11:52 AM | Reply

Whataboutism at its "finest."
#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Like you're one to talk.

Tell us more about what Bill Clinton did 20 years ago.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Whataboutism at its "finest.""

Only to those who see no difference between grabbing an adult's butt vs. a child's breast.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 11:53 AM | Reply

#7

Using "how bout" doensn't make it any different then "What about", but you knew that.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 11:53 AM | Reply

What Moore did was criminal and he should not be seated in the Senate.

But your outrage here should be focused on the subject of this article instead of pointing at the creeps in 'Bama in a desperate deflection.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 11:55 AM | Reply

Well, if the allegations are true, it's more than just the GOP raping America.

Democrats are supposed to resign over allegations.

Whereas Republicans need to go to court and be found guilty without a shadow of a doubt before they release an apology.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tell us more about what Bill Clinton did 20 years ago.

#13 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-11-30 11:53 AM

Not the subject of this thread, but I am sure more honest Dems will come out admitting that he was a sexual predator in the near future.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 11:57 AM | Reply

You would think that someone who is shocked over a ---- grab would not linger to take a picture with Al especially being a soldier.

#19 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-30 11:58 AM | Reply

Well, at least this woman says Franken touched her breast for 5 to 10 seconds as opposed to the one woman who said he touched her butt for 3 to 4 seconds. Someone touches your butt for 3 to 4 seconds while taking a photograph you requested and that is considered sexual harassment?

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:01 PM | Reply

What Moore did was criminal and he should not be seated in the Senate.

Yea. But. His constituents couldn't care less about child molestation. The Republican Party doesn't care. And Donald Trump, aka the master of sexual assault, is campaigning for him.

So. Get back to me once the Republican Party actually does something about their pedo/rapist politicians.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Someone touches your butt for 3 to 4 seconds while taking a photograph you requested and that is considered sexual harassment?

Absolutely much worse than molesting 14 year old girls or forcing yourself on women and grabbing their p***ies.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:04 PM | Reply

'I just feel so sorry for that young girl in that picture.'

Maybe Franken is a groper and should resign, but please don't call yourself a young girl. You were a 27 year old military police officer in a war zone. Hardly a young girl. A young woman, yes.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:05 PM | Reply

Not the subject of this thread, but I am sure more honest Dems will come out admitting that he was a sexual predator in the near future.

I wouldn't doubt it. Democrats have integrity, something sorely lacking from the GOP.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:06 PM | Reply

Maybe Franken is a groper and should resign, but please don't call yourself a young girl.

That's a dishonest tactic utilized to be able to compare Moore to Franken.

Something people like Jeff do here on a daily basis.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Go post this article on a conservative website and watch the blood flow. They demand he resigns. They'll call him ever name in the book. They'll punch their couch arm rests.

Go post a Roy Moore article on a conservative website and you'll read a bunch of people excusing him. Call his victims Hillary supporters and democrat plants.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:14 PM | Reply

Yea. But. His constituents couldn't care less about child molestation.

Agreed, most of his constituents and their sisterwives think this is normal.

The Republican Party doesn't care.

You couldn't be more wrong, the National Republican leadership has repeatedly stated that this is unacceptable and he should step down. The Alabama Grand Ol' Perverts, on the otherhand have supported him, but that goes more to my point above.

And Donald Trump, aka the master of sexual assault, is campaigning for him.

Trump has been bashing his opponent and been saying that he doesn't want to see a Dem in that seat and actively campaigned for his primary opponent. Oh yeah, you will undoubtedly retort, what about the ad that Moore released? From Alabama.com:

Though President Trump has not formally endorsed Roy Moore, he makes an appearance in Moore's latest campaign ad released Wednesday.

The ad uses a brief video clip of Trump's Nov. 21 comments to reporters at the White House criticizing Moore's opponent, Democrat Doug Jones, in the Dec. 12 Alabama Senate special election.

According to reports, Trump is foremost concerned with Republicans maintaining their majority in the Senate. If Jones won the Alabama seat, the GOP majority would be a narrow 51-49 heading into the 2018 midterm elections.

Attacking Jones, rather than directly supporting Moore, appears to be the approach Trump will take with less than two weeks left before the election, according to a Politico report on Wednesday.

The White House has said there are no plans for Trump to campaign for Moore in Alabama.

If Moore wins, I doubt the GOP will seat him, they have already drawn that line.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 12:19 PM | Reply

That's a dishonest tactic utilized to be able to compare Moore to Franken. - #25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:08 PM
Why would we be comparing Moore to anything in a discussion about an article detailing Sen. Franken's
sexual assaults? Do you have some discussion about Sen. Franken or the 5th woman to have claimed he sexually assaulted her, or whataboutism and deflection to Trump and Moore your discussion tactic of choice?

How about we all declare that people who sexually assault people shouldn't be in positions of power? If we can agree with that, then we should move into the questions and discussions about how would we verify who is and isn't sexually assaulting people.

#28 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 12:22 PM | Reply

They demand he resigns. They'll call him ever name in the book. They'll punch their couch arm rests.

That's funny, that is what the DR Left does about Trump on a daily basis.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 12:22 PM | Reply

If Moore wins, I doubt the GOP will seat him, they have already drawn that line.

The article you posted just prior to this sentence clearly states Moore's importance to the Republican Party.

Here's my problem with all these sexual harassment/assault charges coming forward.

Republicans are furious about the turds on the democrat's lawn, while ignoring the massive piles of diarrhea on their own lawn.

It's ridiculous.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats are supposed to resign over allegations.
#17 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-11-30 11:57 AM

Yes, rapists and molesters should resign. Democrats can win on that issue but not if they hold up a couple of pervs for the Repubs to point at. Pelosi is already on board, because she knows defending creeps is in the long term a losing issue, even if "but the other side does it too bro."

#31 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:26 PM | Reply

"How about we all declare that people who sexually assault people shouldn't be in positions of power?"

How about we decide what constitutes sexual assault? The accuser who claimed Moore tried to rape her in is car would constitute sexual assault. The accuser who claimed Franken touched her butt for 3 to 4 seconds during a photo op in a public place would not. It would, however, constitute sexual harassment if we enact a 3 second rule.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:27 PM | Reply

"there are no plans for Trump to campaign for Moore in Alabama."

So robocalls the President records aren't part of a campaign for Moore? On what planet?

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 12:28 PM | Reply

My bad: "In Alabama".

Apologies.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 12:29 PM | Reply

#32

Liberals belittling sexual harassment claims is not the way to win this fight. Unwanted groping of women is wrong, there is no "3 second rule," because it's just wrong. Roy Moore molesting a child does not make it ok for Al Franken to molest a woman. Jesus.

#35 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:30 PM | Reply

I bet Trump has taken a lot of photographs with lots of women. I hate Trump, but even I wouldn't consider it sexual harassment if someone came forward and said, "Trump touched my butt for 3 or 4 seconds while we were having our picture taken together, at my request, at a public event."

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:30 PM | Reply

"if we enact a 3 second rule."

A 3-second rule would simply increase the number of 2.9 second grabs.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 12:31 PM | Reply

Unwanted groping of women is wrong, there is no "3 second rule," because it's just wrong.

The woman said Franken touched her butt for 3 to 4 seconds. I distinguish between a three to four second touch and a grope, but I guess that's just me.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:32 PM | Reply

The woman said Franken touched her butt for 3 to 4 seconds. I distinguish between a three to four second touch and a grope, but I guess that's just me.
#38 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2017-11-30 12:32 PM

I'm sure lots of handsy male executives across the nation have tried to make that same distinction.

#39 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:34 PM | Reply

Roy Moore molesting a child does not make it ok for Al Franken to molest a woman. Jesus.

Touching someone's butt for 3 to 4 seconds is now considered molesting them?

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:35 PM | Reply

"Newly Released Photos And Videos Just Cast Doubt On The Claims Of Al Franken's Accuser"

verifiedpolitics.com

#41 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 12:36 PM | Reply

Gee, who knew it was ok to walk up to a woman and grab her butt, provided it's only for 3 to 4 seconds?

#42 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:36 PM | Reply

"Gee, who knew it was ok to walk up to a man and grab his butt, provided it's only for 3 to 4 seconds?"

#43 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 12:38 PM | Reply

"I'm sure lots of handsy male executives across the nation have tried to make that same distinction."

If a guy gets off on a 3 to 4 second butt touch (as opposed to grope or pinch), then I'd say he is s suffering from premature sexual harassment. A 3 to 4 second butt touch could be accidental touching. A pinch or a grope, not so much.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:38 PM | Reply

Gee, who knew it was ok to walk up to a woman and grab her butt, provided it's only for 3 to 4 seconds?

Grab, no. See my post #44.

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:39 PM | Reply

The Franken story is going to fall apart because, unfortunately for Tweeden, the same rules apply to women as to men and she is a hypocrite.

#46 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 12:39 PM | Reply

@#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:27 PM
The wiki article I cited in #28 states
"Sexual assault is a sexual act in which a person is coerced or physically forced to engage against their will, or non-consensual sexual touching of a person. Sexual assault is a form of sexual violence, and it includes rape (such as forced -------, ---- or oral penetration or drug facilitated sexual assault), groping, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the person in a sexual manner"

"Generally, sexual assault is defined as unwanted sexual contact. The Rape, Abuse & ------ National Network defines sexual assault as "unwanted sexual contact that stops short of rape or attempted rape. This includes sexual touching and fondling."

Do you disagree with those definitions? If so, what would you suggest?

#47 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 12:43 PM | Reply

#47 Distinguishing between different levels of sexual assault, just as we distinguish between different levels of assault. There is obviously a huge difference between rape and a 3 to 4 second butt touch.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:49 PM | Reply

The Franken story is going to fall apart because, unfortunately for Tweeden, the same rules apply to women as to men and she is a hypocrite.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 12:50 PM | Reply

I can't believe how many liberal women on this thread are actually making excuses for a man to touch a woman against their will. No doubt the same women who correctly chastised Trump for talking about touching women against their will. They're actually saying any man can walk up to woman and cup her butt, as long as it's only for a few seconds. And it's all ok because some degenerate from Alabama is running for the Senate as a Repub. That's the justification, because Roy Moore is a pedophile, Al Franken has license to touch women against their will.

#50 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:51 PM | Reply

The Franken story is going to fall apart because, unfortunately for Tweeden, the same rules apply to women as to men and she is a hypocrite. - #49 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 12:50 PM

You think the Franken story is going to fall apart because 1 of his 5 accusers is a hypocrite?

#51 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 12:53 PM | Reply

#43 Terry Crews and I agree it's bad to grope men against their will as well.

#52 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:53 PM | Reply

#49 I know, Tweeden kisses Robin Williams on stage, attempts to hump him and then gives him a butt pinch on her way out. What that demonstrates is that the show that she put of for the troops, whether it was with Franken or Williams, was highly sexualized. It doesn't mean that Franken could stick his tongue down her throat during the practice kiss, if that happened. Or that it was okay to joke grope her while she was asleep, if she really was. The photographer and others present at the time should be brought in to testify.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:55 PM | Reply

They're actually saying any man can walk up to woman and cup her butt, as long as it's only for a few seconds.

Oh, now it's cup her butt? If so, that would fall into the category of pinch and grope. I thought the anonymous accuser merely said Franken touched her butt.

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:58 PM | Reply

while she was asleep, if she really was
-

Wtf

#55 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:58 PM | Reply

"No doubt the same women who correctly chastised Trump for talking about touching women against their will. "

Perhaps you didn't read my previous post:

I bet Trump has taken a lot of photographs with lots of women. I hate Trump, but even I wouldn't consider it sexual harassment if someone came forward and said, "Trump touched my butt for 3 or 4 seconds while we were having our picture taken together, at my request, at a public event."
#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:59 PM | Reply

Roy Moore molesting a child does not make it ok for Al Franken to molest a woman.

It's funny you can compare the two of them and keep a straight face.

So far. Franken is accused of posing for pictures with women.

Whereas Moore molested young girls.

Totally the same!!

This is the -------- Republicans get away with.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#54

So its ok to touch a woman's butt who hasn't consented for 3 to 4 seconds, that is your position?

#58 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:59 PM | Reply

You would think that someone who is shocked over a ---- grab would not linger to take a picture with Al especially being a soldier. - #19 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-30 11:58 AM

You would think that a man wouldn't question how a woman who's just been assaulted responds to being betrayed by an idol.
(Maybe idol isn't the right word? What would you call the other person in a fan/_____ relationship?)

#59 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:00 PM | Reply

"You think the Franken story is going to fall apart because 1 of his 5 accusers is a hypocrite?"

It states right in the article this thread is based on that the latest accuser went directly to Tweedon before going public with her accusation.

"Kemplin reached out to Tweeden two days after Tweeden went public with her story, and the two women spoke on the phone a few days later. In one of their subsequent conversations, Tweeden asked Kemplin if she could connect her with a CNN reporter."

And no, I wouldn't call her a liar but I would say she exaggerated her story and the picture pretty much proves it. According to Kemplin the groping occurred just before the picture was taken, her face certainly does not reveal any discomfort. Whatever happened I'm guessing was accidental and now she sees political advantage to exaggerate it.
In the story I linked above, it shows Tweeden speaking with Franken several years after her incident with him, and she didn't look uncomfortable or angry with him at all. Interestingly she has been a guest of Sean Hannity on his show. Do I mistrust them because of their connections to Hannity, you bet your ass I do.
No put intended.

#60 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:00 PM | Reply

while she was asleep, if she really was
-
Wtf

I read that the photo was staged and that Tweeden was in on it and was fake sleeping.

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:00 PM | Reply

#57

Nice try moron, the point was Moore's worse crime doesn't make Franken's lesser crime ok.

#62 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:01 PM | Reply

#61 So she's lying?

#63 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:02 PM | Reply

"So its ok to touch a woman's butt who hasn't consented for 3 to 4 seconds, that is your position?"

If it is done accidently while taking a requested photo in a public place, yes.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:03 PM | Reply

and was fake sleeping.
#61 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2017-11-30 01:00 PM

Goodness, this is getting weird..

#65 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You would think that a man wouldn't question how a woman who's just been assaulted responds to being betrayed by an idol."

Unless she wasn't assaulted in the first place. In the threads about Roy Moore I read quite a few posts from his defenders that he was "innocent until proven guilty." Guess that only works for right wingers.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:05 PM | Reply

#61 "So she's lying?"

As I said in another thread:

Is Tweeden [lying]? I don't know. That's why I support a Senate ethics investigation. Assuming Franken doesn't resign first.
Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 12:18

www.drudge.com

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:06 PM | Reply

If it is done accidently
---

"Sorry ma'am, my hand seems to have just brushed your bum for a full 3 to 4 seconds, I meant nothing by it, despite my hand on your bum for 3 to 4 seconds. No really, was all just a mistake. Nice cans btw!"

#68 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:06 PM | Reply

Senate ethics investigation

Gee... that'll clean things up...

#69 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:08 PM | Reply

the point was Moore's worse crime doesn't make Franken's lesser crime ok.

Did Franken commit a crime? All I've seen is him posing in pictures.

But for republicans desperate to deflect attention away from Trump and Moore. Anything goes.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 01:08 PM | Reply

Unless she wasn't assaulted in the first place. In the threads about Roy Moore I read quite a few posts from his defenders that he was "innocent until proven guilty." Guess that only works for right wingers.
#66 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-30 01:05 PM

Unless Moore's pedo targets weren't actually targeted in the first place, right? Is that the argument you want to make?

#71 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:10 PM | Reply

So far. Franken is accused of posing for pictures with women.
Whereas Moore molested young girls.
Totally the same!!
This is the -------- Republicans get away with.
#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:59 PM

Nobody has claimed that those are the same except you. Hell, we weren't discussing Moore at all here. This is the Franken article. I'm sure you can find the other one somewhere else. Stop engaging in your Whataboutism here.
I love the lying-through-your-teeth first line of that comment. Franken has been accused of sexual assault. Why would you call that 'posing for pictures'?
This is the -------- that Clownshack tries to get away with.

#72 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:11 PM | Reply

But Republicans..
#70 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

C&P friendly

#73 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:12 PM | Reply

"Gee... that'll clean things up..."

Isn't that where the Moore case will go if he gets elelcted?

"Sorry ma'am, my hand seems to have just brushed your bum for a full 3 to 4 seconds, I meant nothing by it, despite my hand on your bum for 3 to 4 seconds. No really, was all just a mistake. Nice cans btw!"

Best thing for all famous, and not so famous, people of both sexes to do is to keep their hands to themselves in all photographs. The best way to do that is to fold their hands in front of themselves while saying "cheese!" I'm serious.

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:12 PM | Reply

Did Franken commit a crime? All I've seen is him posing in pictures.
But for republicans desperate to deflect attention away from Trump and Moore. Anything goes.
#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 01:08 PM

Have you seen Trump or Moore engage in sexual assault? Stop the deflection, ffs.

#75 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:13 PM | Reply

"Nice try moron, the point was Moore's worse crime doesn't make Franken's lesser crime ok."

Franken was charged with a crime? Who knew?

#76 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:13 PM | Reply

"Why would you call that 'posing for pictures'?"

Cuz that is what he was doing, he did it hundreds of times on the USO tour, probably still does it all the time today. He's popular and famous.

#77 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:15 PM | Reply

"Unless Moore's pedo targets weren't actually targeted in the first place, right? Is that the argument you want to make?"

Moore's targets were teenaged girls and he did more than accidentally brush their butt.

#78 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:16 PM | Reply

Isn't that where the Moore case will go if he gets elelcted?
---

"But Republicans..."

Yes, they're supposedly (are) the worse party, but here I am engaging with every day Democrats who literally think it's ok to touch a woman's butt against her will (3 second rule! Lol), that some women fake sleep when they're fondled, and that apparently lots of women lie about their sexual harassment as long as a popular Democrat male is at the head of it. Color me shocked and apalled.

#79 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#76. You're right, unwanted sexual advances aren't a crime.

#80 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:18 PM | Reply

Roy Moore gets into serious trouble in an election, then one of the most liberal Senators who is formerly a comedian, who participated in USO shows for free to entertain our soldiers overseas is accused by a former guest of Sean Hannity of inappropriate behavior and she is photographed committing equally inappropriate behavior on the same USO tour. Hmmmm. Give me a break, they used Franken to turn down the heat on Moore. It's not a real scandal, it's another right wing manufactured scandal. Can you say Benghazzzzzzi?

#81 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:19 PM | Reply

"that some women fake sleep when they're fondled,"

Look, that's a report I heard. That Tweeden was in on the photo/joke. He didn't fondle her, btw. You can see that his hands aren't touching her breasts (or more specifically the Kevlar vest she was wearing) in the photograph.

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:20 PM | Reply

"Yes, they're supposedly (are) the worse party, but here I am engaging with every day Democrats who literally think it's ok to touch a woman's butt against her will (3 second rule! "

I provided a link showing Tweedon grabbing a man's butt. NO comment on that I guess. Same USO tour as Franken but he's a bad guy and she's just an innocent victim. Hilarious! Sorry but your Franken pretend scandal is done. It's falling apart.

#83 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:21 PM | Reply

"and that apparently lots of women lie about their sexual harassment as long as a popular Democrat male is at the head of it."

LOL No one said that.

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:21 PM | Reply

that's a report I heard
---

Lots of people on other sites heard a report they Roy Moore's accusers were Hillary operatives, faking their year books, etc. Great argument.

#85 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:22 PM | Reply

Republicans today are asking, "where is John Edwards when we need him? Because Al Franken is just a little too squeaky clean to create a real scandal. He's too dedicated to the people of MN, y'all should have gone after some Democrat who had real dirt to reveal. This attempt is laughable.

#86 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:22 PM | Reply

Can you say Benghazzzzzzi?
#81 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-30 01:19 PM

Deflector shields engage!

#87 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:23 PM | Reply

"Lots of people on other sites heard a report they Roy Moore's accusers were Hillary operatives, faking their year books, etc. Great argument."

Heard? On Brietbart? Not on any legitimate news site. None.

#88 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:23 PM | Reply

"Why would you call that 'posing for pictures'?"
Cuz that is what he was doing
#77 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 01:15 PM

You think that the 5 women, after being sexually assaulted, have accused Franken of 'posing for pictures'?

he did it hundreds of times on the USO tour, probably still does it all the time today.
That's an interesting assumption on the sexual assaults of Sen. Franken

#89 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:24 PM | Reply

Hell, some of them even said they voted for Trump which is wierd considering they were victims of a predator and then they voted for an admitted predator?
I say, until we investigate Trump all other political investigations for sexual misbehavior should be put on hold. He admitted it on the air.

#90 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:25 PM | Reply

So Franken's accusers are lying, one was fake sleeping, and there's a 3 second rule on touching a woman's butt against her will?

#91 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:25 PM | Reply

"but here I am engaging with every day Democrats who literally think it's ok to touch a woman's butt against her will (3 second rule! Lol),"

Would you prefer a 2 second or a 1 second rule? If someone's hand touches your butt for one second is that sexual harassment, sexual assault or molestation?

#92 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:25 PM | Reply

#88

That post went over your head, re-read it.

#93 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:26 PM | Reply

I will only NW #79 for a solid 2.9 seconds.

#94 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:27 PM | Reply

"That's an interesting assumption on the sexual assaults of Sen. Franken"

That's a dishonest representation of what I posted. Reveals just how dishonest you really are. Franken took pictures hundreds of times with soldiers who he travelled thousands of miles to entertain for free.

#95 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:27 PM | Reply

#92

If you have multiple women coming forward claiming you groped them you might want to try 1 second rule.

#96 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:27 PM | Reply

"If someone's hand touches your butt for one second is that sexual harassment, sexual assault or molestation?"

If it is, then maybe women shouldn't leave the house unless they are wearing a hijab and accompanied by a male relative.

#97 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:29 PM | Reply

If you have women who did the same thing to men on the same tour and then went on Sean Hannity and only after that did they speak out about the touching, you might want to just ignore them because they are liars.

#98 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:29 PM | Reply

to entertain for free.
#95 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-30 01:27 PM

Is that how were describing his unwanted touching now? Lol

"But she was fake sleeping according to some website I saw once somewhere."

#99 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:30 PM | Reply

I provided a link showing Tweedon grabbing a man's butt. NO comment on that I guess. - #83 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 01:21 PM

Do you really not understand the point of consent? There's your comment. He consented to having his butt grabbed. She did NOT consent to a sexual picture or the sexual assault of having Franken's tongue down her throat.

#100 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:32 PM | Reply

"Do you really not understand the point of consent? There's your comment. He consented to having his butt grabbed."

How do you know? Soldier being kissed by her certainly doesn't look like he consented.

#101 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:36 PM | Reply

That's a dishonest representation of what I posted. Reveals just how dishonest you really are. Franken took pictures hundreds of times with soldiers who he travelled thousands of miles to entertain for free.
#95 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 01:27 PM

I asked Clownshack why he called Sen. Franken's accusations of sexual assault as 'posing for pictures'.
You responded as you responded, which I found odd and called an 'interesting assumption'. Perhaps you should read whole statements that you partially quote? Here, I'll repost it for you:
"Franken has been accused of sexual assault. Why would you call that 'posing for pictures'?"

#102 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:36 PM | Reply

Do you really not understand that the attacks on Franken are just an attempt to deflect from the scandal or Roy Moore? You can't be that stupid.

#103 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:37 PM | Reply

If you have multiple women coming forward claiming you groped them you might want to try 1 second rule.

If a bunch of women came forward saying Trump sexually harassed/assaulted/molested them because he touched their butts for one second while he was a posing for a photograph per their request, conservatives would call them crazy liberal feminists. And, of course, it would be a diversion from the more serious accusations against him.

I think it is likely Franken will resign, Moore will enter the Senate, Trump will run again in 2020 and Biden, who has taken thousands of photos over the years, will not be able to run should he want to. Dems would do well to run a woman candidate then, who isn't Hillary.

#104 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:38 PM | Reply

The funny thing is, any replacement for Conyers especially, and most likely for Franken as well, would also be Dems.

So Democrats defending the groping (3 second rule!), showing up to meetings in your undies, etc. has what purpose?

Pelosi's already cracking the whip, she knows defending perverts is bad and will hurt the Dems if they do it. That the Repubs have their own pervy problem is all the more reason to distinguish themselves as the party that doesn't accuse assault victims of fake sleeping.

#105 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:41 PM | Reply

How do you know? Soldier being kissed by her certainly doesn't look like he consented.
#101 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 01:36 PM

A word, a gesture, pulling back, making a statement that they didn't consent. All would be indications that they didn't consent.
Let's assume that he didn't and doesn't consent. That still leaves us with 5 people who claim sexual assault against Franken + 1 inappropriate picture. And the potential for anyone out there who didn't consent to Tweedon's actions free to make their own claims of assault.
Should she have sought affirmative consent prior to doing what she did? Absolutely. Does that change was Sen Franken did? Absolutely not.

#106 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:43 PM | Reply

I hope you are wrong about Franken resigning Gal. He is a great Senator and nothing I have read diminishes my admiration for him. Certainly not the recent accusations which just coincidentally were made after the Roy Moore scandal came out and jeopardized his Senate run. Remember one thing, Republicans will do anything to win, from calling John McCain's adopted daugher an illigitimate black baby of his to accusing Don Siegelman of crimes which ammounted to reappointing the same guy previous governors had appoint to an unpaid position on some board. Never trust Republicans. Never!

#107 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:44 PM | Reply

"But she was fake sleeping according to some website I saw once somewhere."

I can't remember if it was the photograph who said that the photo was staged. Or if it was the military guy who had to accompany Franken everywhere he went, including to the bathroom. Or maybe it was someone else in the room at the time the pic was snapped. Maybe she was sleeping. I don't know. He still wasn't fondling her breasts, however, as you claim. Anyway, get all those people in under oath and get to the bottom of it.

If Franken, needs to go, he needs to go. Ditto, Conyers, Moore, Trump, et al.

#108 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:44 PM | Reply

"Should she have sought affirmative consent prior to doing what she did? Absolutely. Does that change was Sen Franken did? Absolutely not."

Yeah, Franken should have gotten written consent before he let soldiers take pictures with him. You're so biased that you don't even recognize when you've lost the argument. You're a joke.

#109 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:46 PM | Reply

"Pelosi's already cracking the whip, she knows defending perverts is bad and will hurt the Dems if they do it. That the Repubs have their own pervy problem is all the more reason to distinguish themselves as the party that doesn't accuse assault victims of fake sleeping."

It doesn't help anyone to pretend no woman who makes these charges, no matter who it is against, including Trump and Moore, could possibly be lying.

#110 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:48 PM | Reply

"Here she is yuking it up at a gala in his honor 3 yrs after that distressing "assault". I thought she said she avoided him after the kiss?"

twitter.com

I mean, come on, she actually attended a gala in his honor 3 years after the "assault?" Who's kidding who?

#111 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:48 PM | Reply

Guy poses for a picture and his hand grazes an ass and he's being compared to a child molester.

Can't make this ---- up.

------- ridiculous.

#112 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 01:48 PM | Reply

He is a great Senator and nothing I have read diminishes my admiration for him. Certainly not the recent accusations which just coincidentally were made after the Roy Moore scandal came out and jeopardized his Senate run.
#107 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-30 01:44 PM

I'm sure the most recent veteran who came forward lied. They all lied.

If you can't judge each case separately you're not informed.

#113 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:48 PM | Reply

"If Franken, needs to go, he needs to go. Ditto, Conyers, Moore, Trump, et al."

When I read a credible accusation of an assault more serious than anything I have read about him so far, then I will agree with you. Til then, no way. If all Republicans have to do is make uncredible accsations to get a resignation they will make uncredible accusations against every Democrat in Congress.

#114 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:50 PM | Reply

Do you really not understand that the attacks on Franken are just an attempt to deflect from the scandal or Roy Moore? You can't be that stupid. - #103 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 01:37 PM

Can you really not conceive of a situation where women finally feel ready to come forward with tales of inappropriate sexual actions taken against them? Reports put that number at 60% of women.
You can't understand how a woman, seeing how powerful men are being pulled down by the actions of those they abused in Hollywood and Washington, corporations and hometowns, and think that maybe they're coming forward because they feel safe to do so? They know that society is ready to hear them, and they won't be (as) harassed or given the Juanita Broaddrick treatment?

I'm sorry that someone who has done good things and stood up for good people and good ideas has also done bad things. I know that it must disappoint you. It sucks. That doesn't give him a pass on doing bad things. It doesn't minimize the bad things that Trump has done (is doing) or Moore has done. That's why we don't deflect to those situations. Franken has done the things he's done.

#115 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:50 PM | Reply

Fight hard LoD!

Blur the lines between child molestation and the placement of a hand during a picture.

#116 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 01:51 PM | Reply

If Franken, needs to go, he needs to go. Ditto, Conyers, Moore, Trump, et al.
#108 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2017-11-30 01:44 PM

These are all separate cases. The allegations are completely different, and each need to be judged on their own. Of course republicans are claiming Dem scandals somehow mitigate their own, and Dems are claiming because the Repubs have a pedo running in Alabama some of their own should get a full pass for their misconduct.

#117 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:53 PM | Reply

"I'm sure the most recent veteran who came forward lied. They all lied."

She would have been more believable had she not contacted Tweedon before making her accusation. Sorry, I believe Tweedon is a political attack dog and this new accusation should not have been presented to her first. Coaching before making an accusation such as this is not fair. Franken has a legitimate defense because he did, in fact, have his picture taken with hundreds of soldiers during that tour and guess what, they weren't wearing sexy outfits. They were wearing fatigues. Sorry, just not buying it.

#118 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:53 PM | Reply

New rule we should be teaching women in this country: if a man gropes your butt or breast while you are having your picture taken with him in a public place, get up and walk away. ASAP. If you are really ballsy, slap his hand a way and tell him to F--k off. Don't sit/stand there, cuddled up next to him, smiling your best smile for the camera.

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:54 PM | Reply

BTW, has Moore volunteered for a Senate investigation or any other official investigation? Nope. Has Franken? Yep.

#120 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 01:54 PM | Reply

Blur the lines between child molestation and the placement of a hand during a picture.
#116 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-11-30 01:51 PM

You're the only try hard on this thread.

I have repeatedly distinguished Moore's allegations from the others on this thread, and did equate the two.

What a POS.

#121 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:55 PM | Reply

did not equate*

#122 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:56 PM | Reply

Yeah, Franken should have gotten written consent before he let soldiers take pictures with him. You're so biased that you don't even recognize when you've lost the argument. - #109 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 01:46 PM

Now you're calling sexual assault 'taking pictures' too? He's not accused of 'taking pictures'. He's accused of placing his hand on the sexual parts of women, without their consent. He should have gotten consent before placing his hand on this woman's breast for 5-10 seconds. That would be the consent he required.

I will give you one thing, I am biased about people trying to minimize or deflect to cover for serial sexual abusers because of the D or R after their name. You should be too. If you're not, and you're capable of shame, you should be ashamed.

#123 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:57 PM | Reply

#118

She fake slept.

#124 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 01:58 PM | Reply

"These are all separate cases. The allegations are completely different, and each need to be judged on their own."

Yes.

"Of course republicans are claiming Dem scandals somehow mitigate their own,"

No.

"and Dems are claiming because the Repubs have a pedo running in Alabama some of their own should get a full pass for their misconduct."

No. Or at least that's not the point I'm making. I'm saying it is okay to question the accusers--as in get to the bottom of their allegations.

#125 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 01:58 PM | Reply

"I am biased about people trying to minimize or deflect to cover for serial sexual abusers because of the D or R after their name."

I thought you voted for Trump.
No?

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-30 02:00 PM | Reply

I'm saying it is okay to question the accusers--as in get to the bottom of their allegations.
#125 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2017-11-30 01:58 PM

Is it really? Seems the only questioning of accusers is ok when it's the questioner's side that would take a hit if the allegations are true. We also just had a major political figure state the accusers should be believed.

And this goes both ways, I'm arguing with you but I consider Repubs worse on the issue.

#127 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#118
She fake slept.

If she was in on the photo joke and was fake sleeping, it should be easy enough to find out by interviewing other people in the room. But, again, if she was sleeping, that just makes the joke in poorer taste. Franken doesn't actually touch her breasts in the photo, so he isn't assaulting, molesting her.

#128 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 02:02 PM | Reply

"I will give you one thing, I am biased about people trying to minimize or deflect to cover for serial sexual abusers because of the D or R after their name."

Did I miss you condemnation of Roy Moore?

#129 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 02:02 PM | Reply

OOOH I get it Avigdore.

You're through with people who cover for them. Like Hillary did for Bill.

The actual people who do it, people like Trump, aren't the problem.

It all makes sense now!

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-30 02:03 PM | Reply

"I thought you voted for Trump.
No?"

What? You believed Trump when he claimed he "grabbed women by the *****?" I know I did but I'll wait for Avigdore's defense of that.

"Is it really? Seems the only questioning of accusers is ok when it's the questioner's side that would take a hit if the allegations are true. We also just had a major political figure state the accusers should be believed."

Yeah we should believe a woman who is photographed doing the same things to men on the same USO tour as she accuses Franken of doing? And laughing with him a couple of years later at a gala which was to honor him? Honor him and she attended? Give me a break. You believe her you'll believe anything.

#131 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 02:05 PM | Reply

I thought you voted for Trump.
No?
#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-30 02:00 PM

No, I did not vote for Trump. You're welcome to ask Hans to review for that.
That doesn't mean I'm ok with people lying about him. I've said MANY times that his actual actions are bad enough without having to embellish or exaggerate those actions.

#132 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 02:10 PM | Reply

I've said MANY times that his actual actions are bad enough without having to embellish or exaggerate those actions.

This is very true.

#133 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-30 02:15 PM | Reply

"I will give you one thing, I am biased about people trying to minimize or deflect to cover for serial sexual abusers because of the D or R after their name."
Did I miss you condemnation of Roy Moore? - #129 | Posted by Danni at 2017-11-30 02:02 PM

Firstly, I do condemn any sexual assault performed by Roy Moore. I am glad that the Republicans in the Senate have stated that they won't seat him or will expel him.
Secondly, I wasn't aware that he was 'trying to minimize or deflect to cover for serial sexual abusers'.
If I see someone deflecting or trying to minimize the actions of Moore, I'd be just as fervent in my dismissal of them and their opinions. Have you seen anyone deflecting or minimizing the actions of Moore?

The same is true of Trump. Have you seen anyone deflecting or minimizing the allegations of his sexual assaults? The accusers should be believed. They should have the opportunity to have their story heard, free of harassment and threats or reprisal. Their stories should be investigated, and any illegalities prosecuted. That's true with Trump, Moore, Weinstein, Franken, Conyers, CK, and anyone else who is accused of sexual misconduct. We don't dismiss accusers because they have historically voted D or R. We don't dismiss them because the timing of their accusations is unfortunate. We don't dismiss them because they make us feel uncomfortable about people we respect(ed).

Stop pretending Franken's accusations are 'posing for pictures'. Stop deflecting to other bad people. Stop calling the accusers liars because you don't like what they're saying.

#134 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 02:23 PM | Reply

#127 "Is it really?"

Yes.

"Seems the only questioning of accusers is ok when it's the questioner's side that would take a hit if the allegations are true."

No.

"We also just had a major political figure state the accusers should be believed."

That's too bad. It's an act of over-compensation and overreach, IMO. It's also an example of liberals jumping on their SWJ ponies and riding around. Good thing the WaPo questioned that Moore accuser O'Keefe sent to dupe them, eh?

"And this goes both ways, I'm arguing with you but I consider Repubs worse on the issue."

Yes and yes. With this caveat: As I said in another thread, I learned my lesson years ago when I bought into Tawana Brawley's rape story. That was mainly seen as a black vs white story, but it was also Dem vs Rep in that Sharpton & Co were Dems and the assistant DA they accused was a Republican. (The cops probably were GOP too, but I'm not as sure about that. )

People are making this political, and it shouldn't be. Check out everybody's story is my motto.

#135 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 02:32 PM | Reply

"We don't dismiss accusers because they have historically voted D or R. We don't dismiss them because the timing of their accusations is unfortunate. We don't dismiss them because they make us feel uncomfortable about people we respect(ed)."

Yes, and/but the opposite of what you say is also/should also be true, IMO:

We don't automatically believe accusers because they have historically voted D or R. We don't automatically believe them because the timing of their accusations is unfortunate (for our opponents). We don't automatically believe them because they make our opponents feel uncomfortable about people they respect(ed).

#136 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 02:37 PM | Reply

"The same is true of Trump. Have you seen anyone deflecting or minimizing the allegations of his sexual assaults?"

So should Trump resign? Like people are demanding of Conyers?

#137 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 02:43 PM | Reply

"Check out everybody's story is my motto."

Do we really want anybody, including our political opponents, forced out of office on trumped up charges? Some will answer "yes" to that and those that do are part of the problem. I've also heard some women say that if a few good men get swept up in this and unjustly lose their jobs, that's okay, too, because of the long list of grievances women have endured under the good ole boy system of patriarchy. In my book, they are also part of the problem.

#138 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 02:46 PM | Reply

"So should Trump resign? Like people are demanding of Conyers?"

Can the Senate ethics committee investigate the sexaul harrassment claims Trump? (Asking for a friend.)

#139 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 02:48 PM | Reply

claims against Trump

#140 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 02:54 PM | Reply

You mentioned 3 seconds for a butt grab..how long for a breast cup?

"An Army veteran says Sen. Al Franken groped her in December 2003, telling CNN that while she was deployed in Kuwait, the Minnesota Democrat cupped her breast during a photo op."

I've taken a lot of pictures over my life and I can say for certain that I have never grabbed a butt or cupped a breast in a picture; must be his MO. Funny how Franken said he wasn't sure if more women would come out; I guess we know..

#141 | Posted by homerj at 2017-11-30 04:33 PM | Reply

"You mentioned 3 seconds for a butt grab..how long for a breast cup?

Nope, not what I said. I said a butt touch. Not a butt pinch, grope, grab or cup.

#142 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 04:35 PM | Reply

"must be his MO"

If so, it's likely we will be hearing from hundreds, if not thousands, of women.

#143 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 04:41 PM | Reply

"Nope, not what I said. I said a butt touch. Not a butt pinch, grope, grab or cup."

I also didn't say fondle, caress, rub, massage or tweak.

#144 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 04:45 PM | Reply

The women of SNL, including staff and writers, penned a letter saying they never experienced anything like this with him.

#145 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-30 04:45 PM | Reply

Garbage thread JeffJ until you hold Moore accountable it's just pure garbage.

#146 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-30 04:54 PM | Reply

Garbage thread JeffJ until you hold Moore accountable it's just pure garbage.

#146 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

40 witnesses aren't enough if its a Republican.

"She said" is good enough if its a Democrat.

#147 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-30 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

40 witnesses aren't enough if its a Republican.

"She said" is good enough if its a Democrat.

Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-30 04:56 PM | Reply

Sad but true.

#148 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-30 04:58 PM | Reply

And the hits keep on coming:

New England Elected Official Says Al Franken Tried to Give Her A 'Wet, Open-Mouthed Kiss' Onstage

A former elected official in New England who has requested anonymity tells Jezebel that Al Franken attempted to give her a "wet, open-mouthed kiss" onstage at an event in 2006, shortly before he ran for Senate. The woman says the encounter left her "stunned and incredulous."

The New England woman told Jezebel she came forward in an effort to encourage Franken to take responsbility for his actions, but didn't wish to be named.

"I want my name associated with my own accomplishments," she told us, "and not publicly linked to a man's bad behavior."

According to the woman's account, she was working as the chair of her town's Selectboard in 2006 when Franken, who was then a host for the progressive radio station Air America, came to her community. The woman was invited to appear as a guest in a live taping of his show and be interviewed in a theater in front of a large audience. Jezebel has independently confirmed that she appeared on the show.

After the interview, the woman tells us, "I reached out my hand to shake his." Then, she says, "He took it and leaned toward me with his mouth open. I turned my head away from him and he landed a wet, open-mouthed kiss awkwardly on my cheek."

The woman says she was in disbelief. "I was stunned and incredulous. I felt demeaned. I felt put in my place." She says, too, that although they were in an extremely public place, no one noticed: "It was onstage in front of a full theater... It was insidious. It was in plain sight and yet nobody saw it." She adds, referring to the women who say Franken groped them during photo ops: "The other women's accounts of him grabbing their buttocks in front of their mothers and husbands, I believe them."

Just so we are straight, if the attempted kiss was less than 2.9 seconds it doesn't count?

#149 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 05:38 PM | Reply

How can any of them be a voice for their state?

#150 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-30 05:51 PM | Reply

How can any of them be a voice for their state?

#150 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Ask Alabama. Moore is about to be elected.

#151 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-30 06:01 PM | Reply

former elected official in New England who has requested anonymity tells Jezebel

An anonymous source. That sounds believable.

In the current atmosphere of women empowerment and #metoos, women are lining up to share their stories and confront their assaulters and harassers.

Yet this "elected official" is too embarrassed to come forward?

Sure. Why not.

#152 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 06:02 PM | Reply

"Moore is about to be elected."

I haven't followed that for a while but I thought he was down 12 pts.

#153 | Posted by eberly at 2017-11-30 06:02 PM | Reply

I'm not sure how sexually depraved Franken is.

But. I don't know any adult male who considers touching a woman's ass for 2 seconds any kind of sexual triumph. And I know a lot for sexual deviants.

When Franken's "---- grab" photo (for lack of a better term) came out, I said what ever happens to Franken happens.

Since then he offered an apology to the "victim", stating at the time of the photo it didn't come across to him that he has sexually assulting her. And he's submitted himself to an ethics committee.

Yet Republicans keep bring him up. Rather than taking a look at their own sexual predators.

#154 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 06:09 PM | Reply

I haven't followed that for a while but I thought he was down 12 pts.

Hopefully Alabamites grow a conscious and don't elect Moore.

I'll eat crow and be happy republicans are better people than I imagine them to be.

But currently I have very little faith in conservatives.

#155 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 06:11 PM | Reply

"Just so we are straight, if the attempted kiss was less than 2.9 seconds it doesn't count?"

Unless you are dealing with another actor in a sex scene, I'd say open-mouthed kisses of any length are out. (I don't know what the standard is for actors doing a sex scene is. Do they French kiss each other or just pretend to? No clue.) In any case, this wasn't part of a scene/skit, and the woman was just "a guest" on the show.

As I said earlier today, my prediction is that both Franken and Conyers will resign, Moore will get elected and go to the Senate, and Trump will be president until 2020 unless Mueller or dementia catch up with him first.

#156 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 07:05 PM | Reply

"40 witnesses aren't enough if its a Republican.
"She said" is good enough if its a Democrat."

FTFY:

40 witnesses aren't enough if its a Republican.
An anonymous "She said" is good enough if its a Democrat.

And so it goes.

#157 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 07:10 PM | Reply

156

Pretty sad prediction. I hope you're wrong.

Especially about trump and Moore surviving

I'm not outraged about Franken. He can face the ethics committee and Minnesotans can decide if they want to keep him.

Moore? Way worse and he shouldn't be allowed in office.

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2017-11-30 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From what I can tell Conyers should resign. He may be a civil rights icon but that's not enough to justify keeping him in place. Jackie Speiers said there are two members of Congress, 1 Dem (not Conyers) and 1 Rep, who have engaged in sexual harassment. Their names should come out.

www.cnn.com

#159 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 07:25 PM | Reply

Ethics Committee Opens Investigation Into Franken Allegations

www.msn.com

#160 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-30 10:24 PM | Reply

Maybe we should wait to judge Sen. Franken until more allegations come out...

-The DR Left

#161 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-30 11:53 PM | Reply

Left to RoC and Gracie this place would be nothing but sex abuse and dead celebrity stories.

#162 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-30 11:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Another garbage thread from the right winged screech machine. Until you clean up your backyard first don't worry about your neighbors.

#163 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-01 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Al Franken will present his side of the story before an ethics committee.

They will take all the facts into consideration and decide what the appropriate course of action will be.

Now. Why don't you wipe the drool off your chin.

#164 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-01 12:16 AM | Reply

I don't know how Franken can survive it

Easy. Franken posed for a couple pictures without any sexual intent.

It disqualifies his actions as sexual assault. If the woman didn't like his hand grazing her buttocks for 3 second (ridiculous) she should have immediately spoke up.

If the playboy chick didn't like what he did she had ample opportunity to speak up.

If the lady who almost got a kiss from him felt so assulted she shouldn't have left her safety bubble.

So far Franken is the target of a witch hunt. Which republicans are amazingly adept at carrying out.

He's a great distraction from the tax proposal, the net neutrality vote, Roy Moore, and Donnie Trump himself.

I'm convinced it's a hit job. As the reactions to all his actions are completely subjective in nature.

These women are making mountains out of mole hills.

I wonder who's paying them to do so.

#165 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-01 12:26 AM | Reply

Has anyone seen Clowny and Franken together at the same time?

He is really invested in coddling this particular groper.

#166 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-01 12:37 AM | Reply

Another garbage thread from the right winged screech machine.

Riiiight, the Philly Inquirer is to the right of Fox News.

#167 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-01 12:38 AM | Reply

The funny thing, Clowny, is you are accusing Harry Reid's long time aide of participating in a witch hunt.

#168 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-01 12:40 AM | Reply

Left to RoC and Gracie this place would be nothing but sex abuse and dead celebrity stories.

#2 | POSTED BY REDIAL

That's hilarious.... because it's so true.

#169 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-01 12:47 AM | Reply

The funny thing, Clowny, is you are accusing Harry Reid's long time aide of participating in a witch hunt.

See. I told you republicans are adept at carrying out witch hunts.

Way to twist facts.

Democrats making sure they vet fellow democrats isn't the same thing as republicans chanting Franken should resign.

When will you ever post a thread about Roy Moore?

You know. Your pedo rapist friend.

The one who's clearly guilty and still standing tall.

#170 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-01 12:53 AM | Reply

Has anyone seen RoC and Moore together at the same time?
He is really invested in distracting attention away from this particular pedophile.

Well. That was fun.

#171 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-01 12:55 AM | Reply

This is OK under the Ted Kennedy "D" After His Name Exemption.

#172 | Posted by Sully at 2017-12-02 10:24 AM | Reply

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