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Wednesday, November 29, 2017

Donald Trump found an unusual ally Tuesday night as Trevor Noah tackled the problematic Elizabeth Warren behavior that spawned the president's "Pocahontas" nickname. Noah then made the most unnerving pronouncement of all: "As weird as it is to say, in his own racially offensive way, Donald Trump was being woke."

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Had to poke around to understand "woke".

From Urban Slang Dictionary: woke - a reference to how people should be aware in current affairs.

I hadn't heard the word used like that before.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 01:06 PM | Reply


More from the cited article:

..."Is Trump racist?" Noah asked, "Yeah. But in his own ... way, he's hitting Elizabeth Warren for saying she's Native American when she wasn't. Something she's never apologized for or owned up to."...

The part of that I would question is how does Mr Noah know Sen Warren's comment about her family lore was false.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 01:11 PM | Reply

#2 | Posted by LampLighter Senator Warren's fraudulent claim has been common knowledge for the last four years.

#3 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-29 01:55 PM | Reply

- fraudulent claim

Her claim has not been proven to be fraudulent any more than it has been proven to be true. It's a claim based on her family stories... and it's a totally irrelevant red herring used a political weapon.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-29 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

as a

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-29 02:06 PM | Reply

"... he's hitting Elizabeth Warren for saying she's Native American when she wasn't."

What the hell is wrong with Noah? She made a claim about her heritage based on what she was told by family, which is something many of us and our relatives have done. She never sought any advantage from this claim.

There is no proof she's wrong, either.

If you asked Noah his racial heritage you'd get an answer based on what he grew up being told. That's all Warren did.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-29 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Elizabeth Warren sought no advantage from her Native American heritage at Harvard. She mentioned it in a social directory.

If your comment about Warren doesn't acknowledge these two simple facts, kindly ---- off. Go lie on Gateway Pundit, Breitbart News or one of the other places where right wingers compete to climb the furthest up their own --------.

#9 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-29 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


 

@#6 ... What the hell is wrong with Noah? ...

The Daily Show is but a weak shadow of what it once was. It has turned into a series of a stand-up comedian's punch lines. The insight that I had seen under Jon Stewart is gone.

Treatment of important issues, such as the poor treatment of Veterans by the VA, or the reneging of promises made to the 9-11 First Responders, are but a memory.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Daily Show is but a weak shadow of what it once was.

I like Noah but I think the show's the wrong place for him. As you say there's often no depth to his commentaries. His background is far removed from the insanity of American politics, so he can't do what Steward did so well for so long.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-29 03:21 PM | Reply

Rcade and Corky are clearly not woke. Let me guess, both are old, white, cisgenders.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-29 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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@#11 I like Noah but I think the show's the wrong place for him. ...

Agreed.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 04:06 PM | Reply

When she said she was Native America, the legal requirement was 1/32nd by basic punnett square genetics. It is 1/16 now I think, but when Warren said it, she was legally correct and the same amount Native American as the Cherokee Chieftain at the time she made the claim.

More fake outrage from the hypocritical critics on the right.

#14 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-29 06:05 PM | Reply

The Daily Show is but a weak shadow of what it once was. It has turned into a series of a stand-up comedian's punch lines. The insight that I had seen under Jon Stewart is gone.

Trevor Noah is an empty suit compared to Jon Stewart. Vapid, smarmy, not really funny and as RCade points out, zero depth. TDS is dying a slow death, hopefully they can find someone to save it.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-29 06:39 PM | Reply

--but when Warren said it, she was legally correct

She hasn't provided a shred of legally-admissible evidence. Why doesn't she provide dna evidence?

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-29 06:44 PM | Reply

- Why doesn't she provide dna evidence?

Why should she? To mollify rwing thugs?

Like you, I mean.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-29 06:49 PM | Reply

What does it matter if she proves she's Pocahontas, Nulli?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-29 06:50 PM | Reply

"basic punnett square genetics." #14 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Why doesn't she provide dna evidence?
#16 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Because until like 2 years ago, that wasn't how people determined their heritage since 23&Me wasn't around.

#19 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-29 06:52 PM | Reply

"As you say there's often no depth to his commentaries."

Kinda of hard to go in depth in a 30 minute political comedy show.

Jon Started off slow and wound up being a avalanche of funny and a Fox News nemesis.

I think Trevor started off even better.

If you want serious in depth political funny stuff you might want to watch John Oliver.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-29 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She hasn't provided a shred of legally-admissible evidence.

Federal Rules of Evidence

Rule 803. Exceptions to the Rule Against Hearsay
The following are not excluded by the rule against hearsay, regardless of whether the declarant is available as a witness:

(19) Reputation Concerning Personal or Family History. A reputation among a person's family by blood, adoption, or marriage -- or among a person's associates or in the community -- concerning the person's birth, adoption, legitimacy, ancestry, marriage, divorce, death, relationship by blood, adoption, or marriage, or similar facts of personal or family history.

Rule 804. Hearsay Exceptions; Declarant Unavailable

(4) Statement of Personal or Family History. A statement about:

(A) the declarant's own birth, adoption, legitimacy, ancestry, marriage, divorce, relationship by blood, adoption, or marriage, or similar facts of personal or family history, even though the declarant had no way of acquiring personal knowledge about that fact; or

(B) another person concerning any of these facts, as well as death, if the declarant was related to the person by blood, adoption, or marriage or was so intimately associated with the person's family that the declarant's information is likely to be accurate.

#21 | Posted by et_al at 2017-11-29 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Because until like 2 years ago, that wasn't how people determined their heritage since 23&Me wasn't around.

It's around now. What's she waiting for? She could put this issue to rest today, if her claims are true.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-29 07:22 PM | Reply

Liz doesn't have to take a test, you just have to take her word for it.

If that isn't good enough for you, I am sure you would prefer that Trump put to rest claims that he is a lying traitorous Russian plant who lauders money for the Russian mob by releasing his tax returns like every other POTUS has done in recent history.

#23 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-29 08:40 PM | Reply

Warren ought to tell Trump to go ---- himself.

#24 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-11-29 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Liz doesn't have to take a test, you just have to take her word for it.

#23 | POSTED BY BORED

I don't have to do anything. Fortunately for me, I don't care about this issue. I just enjoy watching Warren and her supporters twist and contort themselves into knots over this.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-29 08:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--Liz doesn't have to take a test, you just have to take her word for it.

She doesn't have to run for president either. She can make this issue go away overnight, and chooses not to do so.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-29 08:58 PM | Reply

- I just enjoy watching Warren and her supporters twist and contort themselves into knots over this.

Well, when ya got nuttin' else, that must have to do.

#22

More rwing thuggery.

Funny how you see many of us as people that you need to poke a stick at to get attention. Which appears to be all you are about these days; being absurdly obtuse, on purpose, because people don't happen to agree with your opinions, and might be willing to be less persnickety about their political choices because the alternative rwing choices are always... let me repeat that, on a national level always, even less attractive than the only other legitimately contending policies.

Pls get over yourself, asap. Thanks.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-29 09:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- chooses not to do so.

Why should she choose to kowtow to thuggish demands by people who use this dumbest fake issue ever as a political attack?

You might, people of integrity would not.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-29 09:06 PM | Reply

She doesn't have to run for president either. She can make this issue go away overnight, and chooses not to do so.

Your boy Donnie could go to court for all the alleged sexual misconduct he's responsible for.

He'd make the issue go away overnight, and chooses not to do so.

I wonder which you're more interested in.

Oh, who am I kidding. I don't have to wonder. You couldn't care less as to how many women Trump has raped.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-29 09:11 PM | Reply

She hasn't provided a shred of legally-admissible evidence.

She doesn't have to prove jack ----.

You sound like birthers, always demanding more evidence when it is crystal clear to everyone that no evidence will be sufficient to them.

#30 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-29 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Warren laughably lauds her Cherokee heritage to a point where she obtained employment at prominent universities at a point in time when these kinds of hires were at an absolute premium."

Really, she "lauded" it to the point of employment?

Do you really think that's even possible?

How do any whites even make it into academia?

What you're claiming she did is pretty damn ridiculous.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-29 11:39 PM | Reply

She doesn't have to run for president either. She can make this issue go away overnight, and chooses not to do so.

#26 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Probably because she's not all that concerned about what burned out stoners yell about her from their front porch.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-29 11:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#31 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Anyone who doesn't spread demonstrable lies would disagree with you.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-29 11:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Probably because she's not all that concerned about what burned out stoners yell about her from their front porch.

Posted by jpw at 2017-11-29 11:53 PM | Reply

Nullifidian fell off stoner mountain and crashed and burned.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-29 11:55 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

www.snopes.com

The right really is nothing but a pack of liars these days.

No wonder they want to kill net neutrality, it's the biggest threat to their giant piles of --------.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-29 11:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#39 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Hasn't offered anything worth arguing. Gets ad hominem. Next.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-30 12:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Obama's birth ended up being heavily scrutinized by racist Republicans, and white supremacist, Donald Trump; and best evidence overwhelmingly (his own admission) point to a Hawaii birth.

Funny how no one had an issue with Canadian born Rafael Cruz.

Guess he had the right skin color.

Because, Obama's mother was born in Wichita, Kansas. [...]

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:42 AM | Reply

#42 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-11-30 12:23 AM | REPLY | FLAGGED NEWSWORTHY BY NULLIFIDIAN

Do you actually believe your crackpot website, with "census records", prove anything?

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 12:47 AM | Reply

Perhaps you can take it up with him?

Who ------- cares.

You've got nothing.

Just allegations.

Go post your ---- somewhere else.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-30 02:07 AM | Reply

#47: Sitzkrieg, if it were a run-of-the-mill person being a name-calling punk, it wouldn't be an issue. But this is the President of the United States. Whether he likes it or not, he sets an example to others on how to behave. Similar to when Scalia intimated via the weasel wording of "There are those who contend" that Black people should attend slower-tracked schools:

""There are those who contend that it does not benefit African­ Americans to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less­-advanced school, a slower-­track school where they do well," he said. "One of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the University of Texas.""

I don't like posting opinions and prefer to stick to facts, preferably those found from primary sources such as textbooks and journals accompanied by referenceable citations. But, in this case, I think an opinion is justified.

Trump has a cadre of attorneys to perpetually keep his ass out of court, so he doesn't care what he says. If someone sues him, he has the means to keep it tied-up for as long as it takes until the plaintiff cries uncle--simply because most people don't have the resources to keep attorneys on retainer for several years while the lawsuit is being litigated. And if it does appear that he'll eventually lose the case, he'll settle for a fraction and simply pay the plaintiff off.

Please excuse me for singling you out on this topic, so don't take it personally. But I think you raised an interesting point that was worth addressing.

#48 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-11-30 09:32 AM | Reply

Is cultural appropriation by blonde blue eyed white people ok now? So next Halloween can I dust off my sombrero and ride-a-donkey costume?

#50 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 10:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

- ride-a-donkey costume?

Don't try to kid us... that's your daily werk outfit.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-30 10:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"So next Halloween can I dust off my sombrero and ride-a-donkey costume?"

How many paintings of Jesus depicted him with dirty blonde hair and blue eyes?

#53 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-30 10:22 AM | Reply

"But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown's claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background's factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:"

From the Snopes link posted above by JPW.

You know, the one Nasty Nulli didn't read.

This issue is at least as fake and idiotic as the Obama birther issue, and of much less importance.

But still, the Trump Pets will use it because he does.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-30 10:23 AM | Reply

I warned right wingers to stop lying about Warren here. They are running a game they will be going back to again and again if she becomes a 2020 candidate because they know she'd be a strong one. If they repeat the lies long enough people will fall for them.

She sought no advantage from her Native American heritage at Harvard. She mentioned it in a social directory. This is no different than me telling people I'm part Irish. I don't offer proof. Why would that be necessary if I'm just expressing pride in my family background or participating in social activities with other Irish Americans?

This is the wrong site to spread lies about Warren. I'll use suspensions and even bans if necessary to stop this --------.

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-30 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But still, the Trump Pets will use it because he does.
#54 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2017-11-30 10:23 AM

Trump using it doesn't diminish the conversation. He's a sideshow.

Cultural appropriation is either wrong or it isn't. For my part, I didn't check off native American on my college admissions despite having a Blackfoot grandma, because on any given Tuesday I identify as white AT, whitier than thou even. (and you're absurdly white)

Just didn't seem moral.

#57 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 10:47 AM | Reply

#56 | POSTED BY RCADE

Adorable but that's about all the Conservatives do nowadays.

And it starts at the White House.

#58 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-30 10:47 AM | Reply

-(and you're absurdly white)

I'm at least 1/16th Cherokee, maybe more.

And Warren didn't use her family story for employment advantage.

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-30 10:51 AM | Reply

Why would that be necessary if I'm just expressing pride in my family background

#56 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2017-11-30 10:40 AM | FLAG:

You claiming you're irish isn't an actual racist myth.

This is what gets perpetuated. Backlash from social justice progressives will continue to build until Warren shows some leadership on it. The political alliance between them and moderate Democrats has costs, and this is one of them.

#60 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-30 11:42 AM | Reply

For my part, I didn't check off native American on my college admissions ...

She didn't either.

The question is whether you told people socially that you have Blackfoot heritage.

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-30 11:43 AM | Reply

The question is whether you told people socially that you have Blackfoot heritage.
#61 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2017-11-30 11:43 AM

No, because I identify as white.

#62 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 11:55 AM | Reply

You can identify as white and still tell people you're one-fourth Blackfoot. It's not an either/or.

#63 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-30 12:01 PM | Reply

Honestly when I entered this thread I made an assumption based on liberals (Trevor Noah...) starting to criticize her too, thinking that meant there was more to it, without any additional reading on my part, but if she didn't use the claim for personal gain I agree it's a non-issue and just a personal attack.

#64 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-11-30 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All she did was write it down. Harvard published it. Somehow she ended up in a native american cookbook. It's beyond silly, and it's easily fixable.

#65 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-30 01:28 PM | Reply

Her recipes ended up in a Native American cookbook in 1984 because it was published by her cousin.

#66 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-30 01:42 PM | Reply

"It's beyond silly, and it's easily fixable."

I agree that it's beyond silly, but the only thing that needs fixing is the ridiculous cries of wrongdoing from people like you and JeffJ.

The only people who think there's an issue here are Birthers. This is kind of like the Birther 2.0 movement actually. Same stupid script appealing to the same stupid people.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-30 01:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Bellwether moment where a progressive TV points it out, and it's trending with social activists. Keep pointing fingers, that will definitely make it go away.

#69 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-01 07:51 AM | Reply

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