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Wednesday, November 29, 2017

The Senate tax bill is headed for a marathon debate this week as Republican leaders plan to bring the measure to the floor Wednesday and hold a final vote as early as Thursday. Here are the latest developments, updated throughout the day:
Senators to Propose Enhanced Child Tax Credit (12:34 p.m. [EST])

Republicans Senators Marco Rubio and Mike Lee plan to introduce an amendment to the Senate tax bill that would enhance the child tax credit -- and offset the cost by setting the corporate rate at 22 percent, higher than the 20 percent rate President Donald Trump favors.

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Hurdles Remain in Gathering 50 Senate Votes (4:00 a.m. [EST])

The $1.4 trillion tax-cut measure gained momentum when the Budget Committee voted Tuesday to send it to the Senate floor. The next step Wednesday may be a procedural vote to begin debate -- but success on that doesn't guarantee the bill will have enough votes for final passage.

President Donald Trump told reporters Tuesday that there will be changes to the legislation. The bill is "going to have lots of adjustments before it ends, but the end result will be very, very massive," he said.

Republicans need to secure at least 50 votes from their 52-48 majority to pass the bill.

"Every little thing is a worry. We can't afford to lose more than two. We are very concerned about it," Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch of Utah said.

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#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can only imagine the screaming the GOP would be doing if the democrats tried to pass tax changes with only 50 votes.

When the Obama administration changed tax laws under the American Taxpayer Relief Act in 2013 it passed the Senate 89-8 and the House 256-171.

Sad that the GOP cannot find it within their abilities to work in a bipartisan manner like this.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-29 02:45 PM | Reply


@#2 I can only imagine the screaming the GOP would be doing if the democrats tried to pass tax changes with only 50 votes.

For an idea, here's a quote from Sen McConnell about the Obamacare in March 15, 2010. Note that Obamacare's process through Congress was many months long...

"...They're pulling out all the stops. They're doing everything they can to jam this thing through. And they don't seem to care anymore how ugly it all looks. ..."

I suspect that may be an indication ....

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 03:11 PM | Reply

They're doing everything they can to jam this thing through.

13 months of hearings is "jamming it through" vs the 13 minutes of hearings the GOP had on their health care scam.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-29 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where is JeffJ? We've heard "ramming it down our throats" about a thousand times regarding Obamacare. Shouldn't he be leading the chorus, maybe ten times as intensely?

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 04:00 PM | Reply

5 posts.

A thread about the tax plan being pushed by the GOP to fully and unconditionally screw over the middle class has garnered 5 posts.

How many posts does the Pocahontas thread have? What about the Matt Lauer thread?

This is actual news and no one has ---- to say.

---- this ----.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-29 04:12 PM | Reply

Clown, it's like this:

Since we're gonna get raped, we're doing our best to lay back and enjoy it.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-29 04:19 PM | Reply

Where is JeffJ? We've heard "ramming it down our throats" about a thousand times regarding Obamacare. Shouldn't he be leading the chorus, maybe ten times as intensely?

#5 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I don't like the way this is being handled. If it's so great, why the rush? If it's so great, why all of the partisan shenanigans?

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-29 04:21 PM | Reply

"I don't like the way this is being handled."

Would you say they're "ramming it down our throats"?

Because you said it dozens of times, regarding much more open procedures.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 04:22 PM | Reply

Would you say they're "ramming it down our throats"?
Because you said it dozens of times, regarding much more open procedures.

#9 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

"Ramming it down our throats" pertained to the fact that it was wholly unpopular double digit disparity between popular vs unpopular but they were hell-bent on passing it anyway. Plus it was a massive bill with wider-reaching implications than this.

You're trying for an apples/oranges equivalence.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-29 04:32 PM | Reply

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JeffJ lives in a world where all Republicans are apples and all Democrats are oranges.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-29 04:39 PM | Reply

"Ramming it down our throats" pertained to the fact that it was wholly unpopular double digit disparity between popular vs unpopular but they were hell-bent on passing it anyway. Plus it was a massive bill with wider-reaching implications than this.

You're trying for an apples/oranges equivalence.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-29 04:32 PM | Reply

13 MONTHS of debates it not even close to ramming it down our throats and Obama gave the Republicans their own health care coverage bill that they tried for 4 decades to get passed. Let's face it the right hates the fact a Black man got it passed and you JeffJ Parrot their BS talking points.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-29 04:41 PM | Reply

"Ramming it down our throats" pertained to the fact that it was wholly unpopular double digit disparity between popular vs unpopular"

What world do you live in where the GOP tax cuts aren't just as unpopular?

They're even less popular! Approval is 36% and that's the highest poll.

That should matter to you, but your blinders are so effective that it doesn't.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-29 04:44 PM | Reply


Trump's Tax Promises Undercut by CEO Plans to Help Investors
www.bloomberg.com

... Major companies including Cisco Systems Inc., Pfizer Inc. and Coca-Cola Co. say they'll turn over most gains from proposed corporate tax cuts to their shareholders, undercutting President Donald Trump's promise that his plan will create jobs and boost wages for the middle class.

The president has held fast to his pledge even as top executives' comments have run counter to it for months. Instead of hiring more workers or raising their pay, many companies say they'll first increase dividends or buy back their own shares. ...


Coincidentally, most of those shareholders happen to be the wealthy.

So much for the corporate tax cuts trickling down to improve middle-class wages.

Yet another lie from Pres Trump.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 04:45 PM | Reply

"Plus it was a massive bill with wider-reaching implications than this."

Complete nonsense.

Obamacare affected a minuscule percentage, compared to those affected by the US tax code.

Everyone making under $75K will see a taxes increase by the time this bill comes to fruition.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Senate Republicans barreled toward a key procedural vote on their sweeping bill to overhaul the tax code Wednesday, even as they wrestled over key details that could swing hundreds of billions of dollars back and forth.

The most divisive issue on Wednesday was a demand from several Republicans that the legislation include a "trigger" that would automatically raise taxes if economic growth targets aren't met.

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and others have threatened to oppose the bill if a version of this idea isn't put into the final version, and Corker said Tuesday that he had reached a deal on the issue.

As the potential parameters of that deal emerged, several Republicans said Wednesday they were strongly opposed to including it, worried that the possibility of future tax increases could dampen corporate enthusiasm.

"There's one word: It's certainty," said Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.). "I do not support triggers."

One possibility discussed by several senators Wednesday would use a trigger to prompt spending cuts, not tax increases. But GOP aides warned that could cause procedural issues, threatening the party's ability to pass the bill with a simple majority vote."

www.washingtonpost.com

They can't afford to fail this time.

I mean, they were willing to swallow Trump if it meant a permanent corporate tax cut, something they can all agree their donors will appreciate.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-29 04:57 PM | Reply

"...a "trigger" that would automatically raise taxes if economic growth targets aren't met."

In other words, taxes will automatically rise once we hit a recession. How dumb are these guys???

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 05:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Everyone making under $75K will see a taxes increase by the time this bill comes to fruition.

#15 | Posted by Danforth

umm who cares? as long as the wealthy get their cut like Republicans promised. Notice the stock market? They are practically drooling and shivering in antici............pation.

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#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-29 07:40 PM | Reply

Deeply unpopular Congress aims to pass deeply unpopular bill for deeply unpopular president

www.washingtonpost.com

So much winning! Tired of it yet?

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 07:47 PM | Reply

So much winning! Tired of it yet?

Personally. I'm exhausted by it.

Meanwhile republicans are overjoyed.

Mostly because they won the election.

Their minds snapped.

They're now cheering on their own demise.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-29 08:50 PM | Reply

a world where all Republicans are apples and all Democrats are oranges. - #11 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-29 04:39 PM
You have it backwards. The head Republican is pretty damn orange.

Obamacare affected a minuscule percentage, compared to those affected by the US tax code. - #15 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 04:47 PM
Every American adult is required to carry health insurance or pay a fine. How precisely is that a 'miniscule percentage'?

#21 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 09:51 AM | Reply

"Every American adult is required to carry health insurance or pay a fine. How precisely is that a 'miniscule percentage'?"

Because most are covered through either Medicare, or through employer plans. They didn't have to deal with getting coverage on the marketplace.
www.kff.org

That percentage, versus 90+% being affected by the tax changes.

You know...math.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 09:55 AM | Reply

Because most are covered through either Medicare, or through employer plans. They didn't have to deal with getting coverage on the marketplace. - #22 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 09:55 AM
You are aware that your original statement wasn't what you're claiming above, right?

You claimed that those affected by Obamacare, not those eligible to get insurance on the exchanges. It's ok to admit that you misspoke or engaged in a bit of hyperbole. If you can't admit that, then:

So, every Adult (which is greater than the number of adults required to pay taxes) was affected by Obamacare vs some adults required to pay taxes.
Is it your claim that 100% is a 'miniscule percentage' when compared with the smaller 90+%?
You might want to check your numbers again.

#23 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 11:35 AM | Reply

"You claimed that those affected by Obamacare, not those eligible to get insurance on the exchanges."

Who was directly affected, other than those getting insurance on the exchange?

"every Adult (which is greater than the number of adults required to pay taxes) was affected by Obamacare"

My wife gets her coverage through her employer. How was she affected? Specifically.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 11:37 AM | Reply

Does your wife have to carry insurance or pay a penalty?

#25 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:05 PM | Reply

"Does your wife have to carry insurance or pay a penalty?"

Moot point. Nothing changed for her from one day to another.

That's like saying I'm affected by a change in a North Dakota law, since I may go there some day.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 01:08 PM | Reply

That's an untrue statement. Your wife had the option to choose or not choose to carry insurance prior to the implementation of the PPACA. She was affected. Like it or not. You claimed that "Obamacare affected a minuscule percentage". That is untrue. Perhaps you didn't realize who all was 'affected' by Obamacare, which is why I gave you the opportunity in 23 to admit that you misspoke. There's no shame in that. But you chose to double-down. You are and were incorrect. She was affected.

If tomorrow, while you are driving through a parking lot going 10 miles per hour, the laws change and enforce by penalty of fine any driving over 10 mph, have you been affected?

#27 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 01:21 PM | Reply

"Your wife had the option to choose or not choose to carry insurance prior to the implementation of the PPACA. She was affected. Like it or not."

No, you pretend she was affected. She wasn't.

For example: The FACTA law covers all Americans. Everyone, you included, is subject to FACTA reporting requirements. Has your life, and the life of everyone in America, been affected?

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-30 11:18 PM | Reply

And, since we're there, The FATCA law covers all Americans. Everyone, you included, is subject to FATCA reporting requirements. Has your life, and the life of everyone in America, been affected?

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 12:25 AM | Reply

The fact you had to look up FACTA and FATCA proves my point: If it doesn't affect you, you're not affected.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-01 12:26 AM | Reply

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