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Wednesday, November 29, 2017

President Donald Trump paid over $1.3 million in labor settlements in 1998 after he was accused of employing undocumented immigrants on the construction of the Trump Tower, the New York Times reported Monday. In 1980, Trump employed 200 Polish immigrants to help demolish the Bonwit Teller building and make way for his Manhattan highrise, previous reports confirmed. Trump testified 10 years later that he didn't know the workers were undocumented, despite others saying in court that he did know their immigration status.

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Trump has said that he never settles lawsuits, but last week, a judge ordered the unsealing of court documents that led to the Times report. The documents, which were under wraps for 20 years, revealed that Trump settled Hardy v. Kaszycki for $1.375 million.

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They were white so it doesn't count. /s

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2017-11-29 09:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nothing surprises me about this douche anymore.

Mostly because every one of his current actions are in line with narcissism and absolute selfishness, which makes the majority of crappy past acts make sense.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-29 09:14 AM | Reply

"Trump has said that he never settles lawsuits, but..."

What? Trump lied???

Stop the presses!

#3 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 09:16 AM | Reply

He didn't know they were undocumented? If so it only documents his incompetence. It was his job to know who was working for him. A $1.3 million dollar fine sort of says he should have known.
Now, where are the Trumpeters to defend this douche?

#4 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 09:26 AM | Reply

They've stopped defending it, which is sad in that it's an implicit admission that their ideals and policies are indefensible.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-29 09:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Now, where are the Trumpeters to defend this douche"

there was an entire thread yesterday with the usual "party of personal responsibility" crew adamantly denying all responsibility for Trump
this is all your fault ----- cause OBAMA, and Hillary!

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-29 10:02 AM | Reply


... employing undocumented immigrants on the construction of the Trump Tower, ...

"Do as I say, not as I do."

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 10:06 AM | Reply

He didn't know they were undocumented? If so it only documents his incompetence. It was his job to know who was working for him. A $1.3 million dollar fine sort of says he should have known.
Now, where are the Trumpeters to defend this douche?

#4 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-29 09:26 AM | REPLY

News flash, when you are a developer you get bids from engineering companies, demo companies and most importantly general contractors who build the building. If there were undocumented workers they were under the employment of one of these companies. As far as the settlement if Trump was sued he would have sued the contractor responsible for the workers. If you hired a builder to build you a house and the builder had an undocumented on his crew would you be responsible and if you got sued for it would you just say oh well and not go after the builder?

#8 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 10:11 AM | Reply


@#8 ... when you are a developer you get bids from engineering companies, demo companies and most importantly general contractors who build the building. ...

The developer is ultimately responsible for assuring the legality of the project being built, and that includes the workers that sub-contractors hire.


... If you hired a builder to build you a house and the builder had an undocumented on his crew would you be responsible ...

Yes.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 10:19 AM | Reply

"... If you hired a builder to build you a house and the builder had an undocumented on his crew would you be responsible ...
Yes."

No you would not be. Are you responsible to do a background check on your builder's employees? No, your builder is responsible but, as we all know, those builders generally vote Republican because they don't want higher minimum wages, insurance requirements, etc. so our laws against hiring illegal immigrants are not generally enforced against employers. No, they just punish poor illegal aliens whose basic crime is that they were tired of starving, tired of living with gang violence, etc. and then they tried to emmigrate here for a better life. Go ahead, deport them, the employer will find another illegal alien to take their place the next day.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 10:29 AM | Reply

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#9 so if you got sued you would just pay up and not go after the builder. Got it.

#11 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 10:29 AM | Reply

" If you hired a builder to build you a house and the builder had an undocumented on his crew would you be responsible and if you got sued for it would you just say oh well and not go after the builder?"

The due dilligence involved in a homeowner building a house is a completely different thing from that required when building a major hotel in Manhattan. That you don't see the difference speaks loudly of your IQ.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

If you hired a builder to build you a house and the builder had an undocumented on his crew would you be responsible ...
Yes."
No you would not be. Are you responsible to do a background check on your builder's employees? No, your builder is responsible but, as we all know, those builders generally vote Republican because they don't want higher minimum wages, insurance requirements, etc. so our laws against hiring illegal immigrants are not generally enforced against employers. No, they just punish poor illegal aliens whose basic crime is that they were tired of starving, tired of living with gang violence, etc. and then they tried to emmigrate here for a better life. Go ahead, deport them, the employer will find another illegal alien to take their place the next day.

#10 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-29 10:29 AM | FLAG:

He didn't know they were undocumented? If so it only documents his incompetence. It was his job to know who was working for him. A $1.3 million dollar fine sort of says he should have known.
Now, where are the Trumpeters to defend this douche?
#4 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-29 09:26 AM | REPLY

Glad you came around.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 10:32 AM | Reply

If you hired a builder to build you a house and the builder had an undocumented on his crew would you be responsible and if you got sued for it would you just say oh well and not go after the builder?

#8 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

They weren't subcontractors. That's why Trump was fined.

Don't lie to cover up for him.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-29 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Glad you came around.

#13 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Awesome pretzel fishy. You forgot to mention Crooked Hillary tho.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-29 10:36 AM | Reply


@#11 ... so if you got sued you would just pay up and not go after the builder. Got it. ...

You need to brush up on your reading skills.

I wrote no such thing.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 10:37 AM | Reply

The due dilligence involved in a homeowner building a house is a completely different thing from that required when building a major hotel in Manhattan. That you don't see the difference speaks loudly of your IQ.

#12 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-11-29 10:30 AM | FLAG:

Completely false. If you are building a house you might have 20 workers, a building like Trump Tower 1000 plus you and your General contractors need to pay bonds and provide insurance. You could easily say the City of NY is just as responsible as Trump for allowing Undocumenteds on the site.

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 10:37 AM | Reply

@#11 ... so if you got sued you would just pay up and not go after the builder. Got it. ...
You need to brush up on your reading skills.
I wrote no such thing.
#16 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2017-11-29 10:37 AM | FLAG:

... If you hired a builder to build you a house and the builder had an undocumented on his crew would you be responsible ...
Yes.

#9 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2017-11-29 10:19 AM | FLAG:

You said you were responsible. I didn't write it.

#18 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 10:40 AM | Reply


@#10 ... Are you responsible to do a background check on your builder's employees? ...

Me personally doing the background check? No. But that's not what I said.

I said I would be responsible for the workers employed on my job.

That responsibility could be contract terms dictating requirements to contractors.

The presence of those terms, however, does not relieve me of responsibility.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 10:41 AM | Reply


@#18 You said you were responsible. I didn't write it.

You really need to up your trolling game.

Nowhere did I say, "and not go after the builder."

I'd give you a "Nice Try," but your comment didn't even clear that bar.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-29 10:43 AM | Reply

"Completely false. If you are building a house you might have 20 workers, a building like Trump Tower 1000 plus you and your General contractors need to pay bonds and provide insurance. You could easily say the City of NY is just as responsible as Trump for allowing Undocumenteds on the site."

No you're wrong. Builders commonly use many sub-contractors who hire tons of illegal aliens. I know, my son used to work in many large buildings being built here in Fort Lauderdale. Years ago, they would never have gotten away with it but today.....immigration isn't exactly going around to construction sites, discovering illegals and then fining their employers like they did before Reagan. I worked at a factor back before RR, the employers feard immigration more than they desired cheap wage employees. Even back then I think the fine for the employer was $10,000 so employers didn't knowingly hire them. Then they pretty much quit enforcing the law against the employers and focused only on the illegal immigrants themselves. Employers don't care if they are deported, they can hire more the next morning.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 10:52 AM | Reply

They weren't subcontractors. That's why Trump was fined.
Don't lie to cover up for him.

#14 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-11-29 10:33 AM | FLAG:

HRH Construction built the building, the workers work their employees.

#22 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 10:58 AM | Reply

work=were

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 10:59 AM | Reply

#21 I'm not disputing your claim about the hiring of illegals what I am pointing out is Trump didn't personally hire the illegals like many on this site would love to believe.

#24 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 11:04 AM | Reply

Undocumented workers serve the economic interest of republicans much more than democrats. I don't understand why liberals don't try to come up with a humane way to deal with the problem. Undocumented workers drive down salaries for the working class, it is a root cause of increasing income inequality.

#25 | Posted by danS at 2017-11-29 11:05 AM | Reply

"Undocumented workers serve the economic interest of republicans much more than democrats. I don't understand why liberals don't try to come up with a humane way to deal with the problem."

What rock do you live under? I'm not even going to bother informing you, google it yourself.

" I'm not disputing your claim about the hiring of illegals what I am pointing out is Trump didn't personally hire the illegals like many on this site would love to believe."

Yeah, and he doesn't import labor for Mar a Lago either. He didn't stiff contractors. He's just an honest, fair businessman. Riiight!!!

#26 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 11:08 AM | Reply

"I'm not disputing your claim about the hiring of illegals what I am pointing out is Trump didn't personally hire the illegals like many on this site would love to believe."

So, in a nutshell, your defense is Trump wasn't responsible, he was just irresponsible.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I am pointing out is Trump didn't personally hire the illegals like many on this site would love to believe."

Actually it appears that it is you that just would love to believe Trump can do no wrong and so is not responsible and therefore is not a hypocrite. When it is plain enough for everyone else to see that he is a lying hypocrite with serious mental issues.

It is YOU that needs his "believer" fixed.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-29 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

HRH Construction built the building, the workers work their employees.

#22 | Posted by fishpaw

This was the Demolition crew for the PREVIOUS building.

#29 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-11-29 11:50 AM | Reply

#25 | Posted by danS

You are correct about the fact it typically benefits Republicans more. As for reform the problem here is the Republican's keep punting the ball. Even under GW Bush who wanted meaningful reform - all he got out of them was an Amnesty. And we all know with the divisiveness in DC at the moment nothing a Democrat brings up will ever see the light of day out of spite even it is in the Republican's favor...

#30 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-11-29 11:53 AM | Reply

This is really the key here for you defending tRump on this.

Trump's company was the successor employer. He knew they were illegal. They were working on his project. Therefore he was responsible.

A good read of the case

#31 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-11-29 12:06 PM | Reply

HRH Construction built the building, the workers work their employees.
#22 | Posted by fishpaw
This was the Demolition crew for the PREVIOUS building.

#29 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2017-11-29 11:50 AM | FLAG:

No the demolition crew was Kaszycki and Sons, and guess what ethnicity the are? Read the law suit.

#32 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-29 04:02 PM | Reply

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