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Thursday, November 30, 2017

North Korea fired what the US military believes to be an intercontinental ballistic missile on Tuesday as the Pentagon confirmed that it detected and tracked a single North Korean projectile at 1:17 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. "The missile was launched from Sain Ni, North Korea, and traveled about 1,000 kilometers before splashing down in the Sea of Japan, within Japan's Economic Exclusion Zone," according to Pentagon spokesperson Col. Rob Manning. "We are working with our interagency partners on a more detailed assessment of the launch." "The missile was launched from Sain Ni, North Korea, and traveled about 1,000 kilometers before splashing down in the Sea of Japan, within Japan's Economic Exclusion Zone," according to Pentagon spokesperson Col. Rob Manning. "We are working with our interagency partners on a more detailed assessment of the launch."

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Reports are a 50 minute flight time. If so, that's a true global weapon delivery system.

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-28 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good for them, it should make them less likely to suffer the same fate as Iraq.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-28 05:25 PM | Reply

#2 I love you, snoofy. In fact, I need you. Never change.

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-28 05:43 PM | Reply

#3

We should start a GoFundMe page to fund Snoofy's relocation to that workers paradise, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. I am sure that they would really treasure his snark, drama and ability to play well with others.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-28 06:04 PM | Reply

He's not wrong. They're building nuclear weapons because of the examples we provided them via Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan. If you don't have them, a superpower comes and topples you the moment it's convenient. That moment was coming rapidly due to the artillery against Seoul deterrent becoming obsolete.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-28 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I also have to add the example of Russia snipping off a huge chunk of Ukraine. Those security guarantees weren't worth the paper they were printed on.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-28 06:05 PM | Reply


Graphic showing distances of major cities from North Korea...
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#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-28 06:17 PM | Reply

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg "due to the artillery against Seoul deterrent becoming obsolete."

Please explain in detail. Isn't that like 12,000 pieces of like 125mm or greater? In caves? The only way to stop them would be to nuke them.

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-28 06:27 PM | Reply

"We should start a GoFundMe page to fund Snoofy's relocation to that workers paradise."

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What's this about "workers?"
You know I'm no fan of work!

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-28 06:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#9 snoofy here is a cool comic for you: dilbert.com

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-28 07:07 PM | Reply

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Please explain in detail. Isn't that like 12,000 pieces of like 125mm or greater? In caves? The only way to stop them would be to nuke them.

#8 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-11-28 06:27 PM | REPLY

Only a fraction can actually hit Seoul itself, mainly large caliber, rocket assisted shells they don't have a lot of. South Korean investments in counter battery capability, civil preparedness, and US tech supplied total air dominance are rapidly making the deterrent useless. When faced with the collapse of their strategic deterrence, NK was forced to go nuclear before their retaliatory mechanism was completely useless.

They are security-centric, not suicidal. When people say they are crazy, that's not true. Their elite has the finest Western educations money can buy.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-28 07:08 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg

I heard that 10,000 people would die in the first hour of bombardment, despite bomb-shelters being everywhere. Is that true?

#12 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-28 07:23 PM | Reply

Theoretically, yes. However that's only 0.1% of the population of Seoul and falls off rapidly over time due to crew fatigue, supply train logistics, barrel wear, counter-battery activity, spotting difficulties, etc. Seoul can take this punch, and the ability to do so is improving much faster than the ability to throw that punch. Hence, nukes.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-28 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9

Touché

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-28 08:47 PM | Reply

#13

I heard that the US developed the MOAB, in part, to decimate the NK arty positions within minutes of the start of hostilities and have dozens of them stockpiled at Osan and Kunsan for rapid deployment by the USAF and the SK Air Force Northern Combat Command.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-28 08:56 PM | Reply

It's supposed to be effective in collapsing cave systems. With total air dominance provided by Raptors, you can drop them at will from C-130s.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-28 09:03 PM | Reply

There's only about a dozen moabs you can throw though. 15 built, 1 used in combat, and test articles.

What's more intimidating imho are the MRSI fire missions the South Korean artillery responds with using networked batteries, and a DMZ seeded with autonomous-capable, machine gun and light cannon armed, hidden pop-up turrets allegedly good out to 2 miles.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-28 09:55 PM | Reply

20 total is the official number, but Janes estimates that under Black budgets there may be as many as 40-50. They "only" cost $170K (not the 314M that the mouthbreathers were flapping about) so it probably isn't a stretch to agree with Janes.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-28 10:57 PM | Reply

Well if Janes is right, and they often are, it just reinforces the strategic decisions by NK elites. Nukes, nukes, and more nukes.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-29 07:43 AM | Reply

Sweet! Time for Duck and Cover again!

Ahh Them were the days my friend. Now we can relive them all over!

Such fond memories of hiding under my desk and learning to kiss my ass goodbye.

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#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-29 07:26 PM | Reply

Maybe if we insult them on twitter they will surrender.

#21 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-29 09:38 PM | Reply

Thanks conservative; your warmongering and anti-liberty rhetoric of the last 30 years brought the world's hate upon us.

#22 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-30 12:28 PM | Reply

#22 | Posted by IndianaJones, You must be too young to remember the cold war. The Soviet Union was no joke, ask Hungary, or any other country behind the iron curtain.

#23 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-30 02:51 PM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY DOCNJO,

Why does the threat of the Soviet Union during the Cold War mean that conservatives have to warmonger and reduce freedoms for US citizens?

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-30 02:53 PM | Reply

"The Soviet Union was no joke, ask Hungary, or any other country behind the iron curtain."

Russia is our friend.
Trump and Putin will work together to #MAGA.

Signed,
Republicans

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-30 02:58 PM | Reply

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones yea, I agree with that to a point, that Partiot Act still gets my blood going, and your "Dear Leader" Obama, constitutional scholar and civil rights champion, expanded these draconian powers, A LOT.

#26 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-30 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And the GOP is about to expand them a whole lot more.

I'm not sure this is a thing we get to vote on. Only on, who do we trust to wield that power with wisdom and circumspection.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-30 03:26 PM | Reply

#27 | Posted by snoofy, Maybe we can agree that our Constitution is the law and is not situational. The rights announced in the bill of rights are not negotiable. Governments do not give rights, rights are a part of being human, or granted by God as you wish. Any government which exceeds it's mandate to govern by consent is not legitimate and by degree will seek to expand that power and will eventually become tyranny. You fret about a new fascism lead by that damn Yankee, I doubt anyone as caustic and myopic as he with all the charisma of a mannequin will ever garner the required support.
I fret about a enforced conformity in academia, like Critical Theory or Cultural Marxism, so prevalent it is the only narrative allowed in universities. One advantage the right has over the left, the right is well acquainted with the arguments of Critical Theory, they were force feed it for years and can pass muster parroting those arguments. Most of the intellectual power is now on the right, if book sales are an indication. I doubt there will be book burning as in Germany, but the challenges to this orthodoxy will become more powerful.
I am a libertarian for a reason , as Henry David said in Civil Disobedience, The government which governs least, governs best.

#28 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-30 05:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Governments do not give rights, rights are a part of being human, or granted by God as you wish."

Can't agree with that nonsense.
Who gave slaves the right to be free?
Not G-d, not Nature, but a man, named Abraham Lincoln.

Your turn. Who gave women the right to vote, or gays the right to marry?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-30 05:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#29 | Posted by snoofy, Abe had little to do with it, about two million union soldiers did. Reread the Emancipation Proclamation, it accomplished nothing. It was a republican congress that passed the franchise for women, signed by Wilson, a open supporter of the KKK. As far as gay marriage, faced with the reality of marriage, including divorce, alimony and community property laws, homosexuals are not so gay anymore. Every right comes with responsibility and consequence.

#30 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-30 06:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Abe had little to do with it, about two million union soldiers did."

So was that G-d, or Nature?
Your belief system wants to know.
I do too, as a matter of fact.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-30 06:45 PM | Reply

#29 | Posted by snoofy, Abe had little to do with it, about two million union soldiers did. Reread the Emancipation Proclamation, it accomplished nothing. It was a republican congress that passed the franchise for women, signed by Wilson, a open supporter of the KKK. As far as gay marriage, faced with the reality of marriage, including divorce, alimony and community property laws, homosexuals are not so gay anymore. Every right comes with responsibility and consequence.

#30 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

So Rights are nothing more than pretty ideas until the government does something to recognize and protect them?

#32 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-30 07:03 PM | Reply

Cultural Marxism
#28 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

The new Cultural Bolshevism.

DOCNJO over here lending evidence to the notion that GOP = contemporary Nazis.

#33 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-30 07:34 PM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Most of the intellectual power is now on the right

You can't be serious.

I am a libertarian for a reason

Oh Christ, you are. God help us pass education reform.

#34 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-30 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 | Posted by IndianaJones The ideal of limited government is central to the Constitution. I believe I am in good company being a professed libertarian. Plus you should read whats been on the best seller list in the last decade or so, you obviously have not. Hell even an intellectual light weight like Glen Beck has had a couple. Name a progressive with one book anyone wanted to read, hint: there are none.

#35 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-30 11:16 PM | Reply

#32 | Posted by Sycophant Wars occurs when a government extends beyond their role. Authoritarian governments always fall, but good men have to take up arms and fight to accomplish that.

#36 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-30 11:25 PM | Reply

#33 | Posted by IndianaJones You obviously have never gleaned any knowledge of what the National Socialist Worker's Party believed or how they took power. As far as I have seen, not much evidence of that in the contemporary GOP.

#37 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-30 11:29 PM | Reply

Has North Korea invaded anybody? Why do they do this? Because they correctly fear being invaded by the USA and intend to do everything in their power to prevent it, just like Iran.

#38 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-01 07:13 AM | Reply

#38 | Posted by bayviking Actually, That was what caused the Korean war. It WAS an invasion sponsored by the Russians.

#39 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-12-01 03:13 PM | Reply

Biggest worry about this is the capability to deliver an EMP blast high in the atmosphere over the USA.

#40 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-12-01 03:25 PM | Reply

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