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In the wake of the Moore scandal, a spate of articles on evangelicals, fundamentalists and conservatives have made just this case, arguing that conservatives of one stripe or another are family values hypocrites. Writing in The New York Times, for instance, Nicholas Kristof recently wrote, "conservatives thunder about ‘family values' but don't practice them." To add insult to injury, Kristof also argued that it is actually "liberals [who] practice the values that conservatives preach." His primary evidence: Red states often do worse than blue states when it comes to family-related outcomes such as divorce and teen pregnancy.

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This is for Danforth, I am sure he can hand University of Virginia sociologist Brad Wilcox his head....

Finally, when we turn to the individual level, the conservatives-are-family-values-hypocrites thesis really falls apart. Republicans are more likely to be married, and happily married, than Independents and Democrats, as Nicholas Wolfinger and I recently showed in a research brief for the Institute for Family Studies. They are also less likely to cheat on their spouses and less likely to be divorced, compared with Independents and Democrats. So, Donald Trump is the exception, not the norm, for Republicans.

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-28 11:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"So, Donald Trump is the exception, not the norm, for Republicans." - #1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-28 11:30 AM

Republican pastor Mike Hintz , whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Those Republicans.

They just ooze family values.

#2 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-28 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So, Donald Trump is the exception, not the norm, for Republicans." - #1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-28 11:30 AM

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an ---------- relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD .

Feel the family values!

#3 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-28 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Outcomes are the results of behaviors.
Behavior is the outcome living one's beliefs.
Beliefs are the outcomes of input.

If outcomes and behavior do not reflect beliefs, the beliefs are not really believed.

Beliefs which are spoken, but not acted upon, are hypocritical

And there is the crux of the hypocrisy of the"Family Values" party.

Wasn't that Hag, Kim Davis on her 4th marriage? Yet she put herself up as the sole determinant on who deserved to be granted licenses to Marry in accordance with the law.

If you cant see the hypocrisy of that, You are intentionally blind.

#4 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-11-28 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Do as I say, not as a I do. Also where are your daughters?

-GOP Slogan

#5 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-28 11:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1


 

The comparison to Mr Kristof's op-ed is flawed because it is an apples and oranges comparison - states vs counties.

Mr Kristof was talking about states, the rebuttal talks about counties. You cannot compare or contrast the two.

Moving to the county level, I have questions about causality vs coincidence. It is truly being a Republican that causes all the goodness cited by Mr Wilcox and Mr Menon in their op-ed, or is it something else? A something else that also pushes one towards Republicanism?

That aspect is neither explored nor normalized and, therefore, negates any conclusions drawn in the article.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-28 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1 - If what you said is true, that makes republicans even bigger scumbags. They will try and enact laws to force everyone to fall in line with their values, but they will just as quickly vote for a piece of garbage that obviously doesn't live up to those values in any way. They are all hypocrites.

#7 | Posted by schmanch at 2017-11-28 12:09 PM | Reply

Do as I say, not as I do. Also where are your sons?
-DNC Slogan

Joke writes itself.

Seriously, though: both parties are sacks of crap when it comes to being hypocrites about values, because damned few members of Congress practice the values they extol. The conservatives preach family values and Christian ethics and are constantly being outed for one perversion or the other. You could argue that the incidents are anecdotal, but it comes down to a fairly significant percentage that are hypocrites on social issues. Democrats, on the other hand, show their hypocrisy by extolling the virtues of sharing the wealth while accumulating as much of it as they can and keeping it legal for Congressmen to engage in insider trading. ALL but one or two argue against Wall Street while taking their money and their isn't a single one of them who hasn't championed the little guy while laughing off the idea of term limits or campaign finance reform. They're all bullshart artists and con men, ceaselessly pandering and campaigning to consolidate as much power as possible.

#8 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-28 12:35 PM | Reply

Democrats, on the other hand, show their hypocrisy by extolling the virtues of sharing the wealth while accumulating as much of it as they can and keeping it legal for Congressmen to engage in insider trading.
#8 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

That was the Republicans... Did you really not know they blocked those rules?

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-28 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Joke writes itself." - #8 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-28 12:35 PM

Additional evidence for the proposition that rightwingers have no sense of humor.

Hint: Real humor stems from realty. Which is why "...where are your daughters" points directly at Donald "If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her" Trump and Roy "I never dated any girl without the permission of her mother" Moore.

"Also where are your sons?", as it relates to Democrats, does no such thing.

But, if you're really interested in going down the "Also where are your sons?" route, then look no further than Dennis Hastert.

Yep, rightwingers have no sense of humor.

#10 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-28 12:49 PM | Reply

I didn't realize buying and selling homes was hilarious.

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-28 01:13 PM | Reply

If you are against healthcare for all, a living wage, net neutrality, and you supported the Iraq invasion then don't talk to me about family values.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-28 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What the hell does net neutrality have to do with family values? Honestly, net neutrality is about the dumbest branch liberals have hung their hat on. Everything is conjecture and hyperbole. I've just tuned it out.

During that period [1995-2015], a bi-partisan consensus of Congress, the White House and the FCC stayed out of the Internet regulation business, following the command of a 1996 law to encourage broadband deployment by leaving it "unfettered by Federal or State regulation."

The results speak for themselves, including trillions of dollars of new economic value, much of it built by U.S.-based Internet companies.

Throughout that time, there were, contrary to popular myth, no enforceable net neutrality rules. The FCC did not police ISP network management practices, or prohibit specific conduct.

That was left to the Federal Trade Commission, using general consumer protection and anti-competition laws. Prior to 2015, the FTC pursued over a hundred complaints against ISPs and others in the Internet ecosystem.

In fact, the 2015 Order explicitly cut off the FTC's jurisdiction over broadband companies, one of the many negative side-effects Pai's proposal would reverse.

As I've written before, the net neutrality fight long ago stopped being about how to regulate network management principles prohibiting blocking, throttling, or otherwise discriminating against some packets for anti-competitive reasons.

Whether its most ardent advocates know it or not, support for net neutrality rules was hijacked into a proxy referendum on whether U.S. information infrastructure should remain privately funded and operated or nationalized, either as a government service or a quasi-governmental public utility.

In 2015, a majority of FCC Commissioners voted for the latter, justifying their decision as the only option left to get enforceable net neutrality rules past the federal courts.

(A challenge to that decision is still on-going, with the U.S. Supreme Court waiting on the FCC's current proceeding to see if the issue becomes moot.)

www.forbes.com

#13 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-28 02:17 PM | Reply

#1 - If what you said is true, that makes republicans even bigger scumbags. They will try and enact laws to force everyone to fall in line with their values, but they will just as quickly vote for a piece of garbage that obviously doesn't live up to those values in any way. They are all hypocrites.

#7 | Posted by schmanch at 2017-11-28 12:09 PM |

Do you think, for one minute, that the frisky daughters of well-to-do Republicans don't have abortions? Of course not. But their parents in power sure work to keep it difficult for others.

#14 | Posted by morris at 2017-11-28 04:26 PM | Reply

"This is for Danforth..."

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#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 09:27 AM | Reply

Better link for Andrea:
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#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 09:31 AM | Reply

#8 - DEFLECTOR SHIELDS at MAXIMUM KEPTAIN.

#17 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-29 09:35 AM | Reply

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