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Tuesday, November 28, 2017

The lawyer for President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn met Monday morning with members of special counsel Robert Mueller's team -- the latest indication that both sides are discussing a possible plea deal, ABC News has learned. Trump's legal team confirmed late last week that Flynn's attorney Robert Kelner alerted the team that he could no longer engage in privileged discussions about defense strategy in the case -- a sign Flynn is preparing to negotiate with prosecutors over a deal that could include his testimony against the president or senior White House officials.

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They must be eating nothing burgers with cooperation sauce.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-27 03:01 PM | Reply

This is pretty much the "Hole Card" that Mueller is holding in this investigation: If the plea is only about Flynn's 2015 Russia activities (i.e. money laundering by not declaring as a foreign agent) then I am not sure where Mueller goes from here, ala Manafort. He probably has leverage over Jr. but he needs to connect the dots between Russia meetings and the Administration.

If, however, a plea reaches to Flynn's failures to disclose contacts in connection with his security clearance renewal and his lying to Pence about Russian contacts, then all bets are off, and the Trump defense team and Trump himself will be sweating bullets.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 04:14 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

The flow of things seem to point to the latter, yes?

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-27 04:16 PM | Reply

If I were Trump, I'd start making a short list of countries that don't have extradition treaties with the United States.

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-27 04:30 PM | Reply

Flynn is being fitted for a parachute.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-27 04:37 PM | Reply

The flow of things seem to point to the latter, yes?

#3 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2017-11-27 04:16 PM

Maybe, but don't forget that Gen. Flynn is a Marine, and loyalty is everything. For a Marine, Semper Fidelis is more than a catchy slogan but a way of life: "Always" and "Faithful" are taken in the literal sense, it is not negotiable or relative, it is an absolute. For Flynn to agree to testify against the Trump administration he is going to have to tread a fine line, since the line between duty to the brotherhood and duty to country can at times get blurred.

If they have Jrs. nuts in the vice, I think his loyalty to family will Trump all (see what I did there?) but if it is just personal liability for Gen. Flynn, Mueller may have run into a dead end.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 05:06 PM | Reply

"For Flynn to agree to testify against the Trump administration he is going to have to tread a fine line, since the line between duty to the brotherhood and duty to country can at times get blurred."

Blurred?

If true then he belongs in the brig, or possibly in front of a firing squad.

You'd say the same for Bergdahl or Pollard.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-27 05:38 PM | Reply

Blurred?

If true then he belongs in the brig, or possibly in front of a firing squad.

Where is gets blurred is his loyalty to his commanding officer, which in this case is the POTUS, no matter how you slice it. Military law has very conflicting precedent regarding loyalty to the chain of command and lawful v. unlawful orders, relating to timing, legality, morality and execution of those orders.

It will be interesting to see how a flag rank officer interprets his obligations, after retirement, to someone who is now POTUS.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 05:42 PM | Reply

is=it

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 05:43 PM | Reply

It will be interesting to see how a flag rank officer interprets his obligations, after retirement, to someone who is now POTUS.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 05:42 PM | Reply

He'd better be interpreting it as what he is, a civilian.

You're concept of loyalty in thread is very Godfather.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-27 05:55 PM | Reply

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"Where is gets blurred is his loyalty to his commanding officer"

Yeah, so if he swore an oath to some guy, and upholding it violates his oath to the Constitution, then he needs to face justice, and possibly have an example made of him.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-27 05:57 PM | Reply

but if it is just personal liability for Gen. Flynn, Mueller may have run into a dead end.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 05:06 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

If Flynn is cutting deal it's because he's giving up one or more people above him. I hope that Donald is at the top of that list, but there's no "dead end" here.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-27 05:58 PM | Reply

If Flynn is cutting deal it's because he's giving up one or more people above him.

More than likely, but not necessarily.

For the sake of your own sanity, you better hope he is turning on someone.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 06:00 PM | Reply

#11

Seeing everything so simplistically must make your life seem (to you) effortless.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 06:02 PM | Reply

You're concept of loyalty in thread is very Godfather.

Welcome to life in the Corps.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 06:03 PM | Reply

"Seeing everything so simplistically"

The Oath of Office is pretty simple.
I've taken it several times.
It's not at all unclear what you're swearing to uphold and defend.
And it ain't your (civilian) boss.

You could maybe try, I dunno, acting like this is a thing you know is true, because you've done it?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-27 06:06 PM | Reply

"Welcome to life in the Corps."

National Security Advisor is not a military rank.

Welcome to Federal Prison is the appropriate next step here.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-27 06:10 PM | Reply

The Oath of Office is pretty simple.
I've taken it several times.

Oh that's right, in your capacity as CollegeStudentPhysicsDegreeHolderDefenseContractorinDCinthe70's with an EBT card.

It's so hard to keep up.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 06:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I was a defense contractor and a civilian DOD employee in the 90s, not the 70s. As well as a temporary FEMA employee.

Am I to understand that you were once in the military, and actually swore an oath to your CO???

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-27 06:25 PM | Reply

Am I to understand that you were once in the military, and actually swore an oath to your CO

No, you are not to understand that.

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-27 06:29 PM | Reply

You've sworn the Oath of Office though, right?
The rest of that stuff about split loyalties is just you spitballing, right?

I just noticed something. Spitballing sounds like a thing that shouldn't make it past the filter. Then again, our President sounds like a thing that shouldn't have made it past the filter of the electoral college.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-27 06:35 PM | Reply

Then again, our President sounds like a thing that shouldn't have made it past the filter of the electoral college.

#21 | Posted by snoofy

Our Dear Leader, The Lord Commander and El Presidente is a thing who shouldn't have made it past a condom.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-28 04:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

is gets blurred is his loyalty to his commanding officer, which in this case is the POTUS

Trump fired him. Trump is not his commanding officer. Flynn is a civilian being investigated for multiple felonies. His only commanding officer is himself.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2017-11-28 05:09 PM | Reply

Flynn offered to flip last March ~ before he was even asked. So much for the Semper Fi. And using his position to advance the agenda of Turkey doesn't say much about his loyalty to home and country ~ or any oath he seems to have forgotten. It's also against the law for a retired U.S. General to take money from a foreign government which he also violated when he got paid for a speaking engagement in Russia.

Failure to register as a foreign agent is probably the least of his problems.

The guy is a squirming worm who'd betray the United States at the drop of a hat. Mueller has him by the short and curlies so I doubt it'd take much to make him spill everything he knows about Trump and Company's considerable connections to the Kremlin and the mission behind them.

All Flynn wants right now to limit the amount of time he and his son spend in a federal prison.

Also, with what we know about Mueller's tenacity, it would be laughable to think he only has one hole card.

#24 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-11-29 02:04 AM | Reply

It's no small wonder that Flynn found a berth in the Trump administration. They're both subversives.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-11-29 02:18 AM | Reply

"For Flynn to agree to testify against the Trump administration he is going to have to tread a fine line, since the line between duty to the brotherhood and duty to country can at times get blurred.
#6 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

Trump is not in Flynn's "Brotherhood." (He's also a traitorous wretch, so he shouldn't get credit for any "duty to country" either.)

#26 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-11-29 04:25 PM | Reply

"since the line between duty to the brotherhood and duty to country can at times get blurred."

Especially when a foreign power is paying you millions to blur those lines.

Suggesting Flynn is faithful to the USA is laughable.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 04:28 PM | Reply

Special counsel delays grand jury testimony amid signs of Flynn deal talks

www.cnn.com

"For Flynn to agree to testify against the Trump administration he is going to have to tread a fine line, since the line between duty to the brotherhood and duty to country can at times get blurred."

They say Flynn's real conflict is between brotherhood and fatherhood. He doesn't want to see his son go to prison for life, and you know what they say about blood being thicker than water.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 04:32 PM | Reply

Mueller has the leverage. We better hope he squeezes Flynn until he's gasping for breath.

#29 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-11-29 05:54 PM | Reply

That is the problem with being a traitor, they surround themselves with other traitors and then expect loyalty.

#30 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-29 10:11 PM | Reply

Tick, tock, tick, tock:

Jared Kushner met with special counsel about Flynn

www.cnn.com

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 10:51 PM | Reply

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