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Tuesday, November 21, 2017

Sexual harassment is a man problem, not a partisan one

Listen up, liberals!

This is a pep talk for anyone who feels backed into a corner by bullies (i.e. Righto, Fishpaw, Mustang, etc.) who want to convince you that you are a hypocrite because you fervently supported Anita Hill, but had reservations about Paula Jones.

Or because you called for the head of Alabama Republican U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore, who has been accused of sexually assaulting teenage girls, but had a more restrained response to the sins of Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.), whose gross behavior includes putting his hands over the breasts of a sleeping woman in what was supposed to be a "funny" pose.
You're not hypocrites.

You're being played by the right. Again.

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One of the great successes of the current American conservative movement has been rewriting the narrative of the past two decades, starting with the pernicious claim that liberals did not criticize Bill Clinton when he was accused of sexual misconduct.

Clinton came in for criticism by many of his supporters -- especially feminists -- despite the best efforts of his enemies to claim otherwise.

It's time to set the record straight.

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"In addition to rewriting the past, conservatives -- especially at Fox News, whose founder and biggest star were fired after revelations about their sexual mistreatment of women -- have also become experts at misdirection. To avoid talking about the dozen or so women who have leveled sordid accusations of sexual misconduct against President Trump, the network dangles the shiny object of Bill Clinton's bad behavior in front of its viewers, and Hillary Clinton's guilt by association.

Liberals shouldn't take that bait, either."

Enough is enough and it is time to move on, the Clintons are now consigned to the dustbin of history and any attempt by the CONservatives to bring them up to deflect from the important issues (i.e. healthcare and tax reform) should be shunted aside for what they are- useless noise.

#1 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-11-21 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The only real reason that the righties still revert to the Clintons when they need to defend one of their own is that the Obama's never gave them any excuses to use them much to the chagrin of the right. I think they especially hate Obama because his character was so unassailable.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-21 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Well. RightOCenter definitely has a narrative he's been pushing for weeks.

It's also why many nobodies like Charlie Rose and Oliver Stone are being brought up.

Anything to smear democrats.

It's the republican double standard.

What Kevin Spacey did in the 80s means a lot more to them than what Roy Moore or Donald Trump have done.

It's also why they can't stop uttering Hillary's name a year after the election.

They've got nothing but deflections.

Meanwhile. Trump and fellow republican morons are going to kill the Middle class with their new tax plan. And destroy net neutrality.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

What about those that are equally put off by Trump, Moore, Clinton, Spacey, Etc... ?

Since we want them all to account for their actions, explain how what Clinton did was any different now.

You can't, because you are just as hyper partisan as they are, and are with fine deflecting for them.

#4 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-21 01:15 PM | Reply

Clintons consigned to the dustbin of history? Not while they're fundraisers, Hillary may still run again in 2020. After that it's simply going to transition into talking points against future politician Chelsea.

Thinking it's going away is like another Bush running for office, and nobody talking about GWB. That's not realistic.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-21 01:15 PM | Reply

the Obama's never gave them any excuses to use them much to the chagrin of the right. I think they especially hate Obama because his character was so unassailable.

That is certainly part of it, but to be fair, the Clintons are very assailable due to what they have done and continue to do over the years.

Since we want them all to account for their actions, explain how what Clinton did was any different now.

It's no different, but continually bringing it up at this point is nothing more than a deflection from the creepiness of Moore and Cheetolini.

#6 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-11-21 01:20 PM | Reply

"That is certainly part of it, but to be fair, the Clintons are very assailable due to what they have done and continue to do over the years."

It was certainly disgusting of them to set up a huge charitable fund.

"Since we want them all to account for their actions, explain how what Clinton did was any different now."

They aren't running for office. When Hillary was running she answered all sorts of questions about her activities, she endured hours and hours of Congressional hearings. She testified under oath. How about Roy Moore? Is he willing to testify under oath, his accusers are.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-21 01:23 PM | Reply

If Roy Moore doesn't drop out and manages to win (he's currently down 12 points in polling) then the Senate should vote to have him removed.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 01:25 PM | Reply

It was certainly disgusting of them to set up a huge charitable fund.

That isn't the point, they have done plenty of things that continually draw huge targets on their backs. Fundraising notwithstanding, the Clintons are done running for office and need to be "retired" in our collective discussion on a going forward basis.

#9 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-11-21 01:26 PM | Reply

"If Roy Moore doesn't drop out and manages to win (he's currently down 12 points in polling) then the Senate should vote to have him removed." But the Republican majority would prevent yhat.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-21 01:34 PM | Reply

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If the Senate investigates Franken, they must also investigate Moore should he win the election. I don't see how they could do otherwise.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-21 01:39 PM | Reply

I don't see how they could do otherwise.

Easy. They're all party before country republicans.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 01:41 PM | Reply

If the Senate investigates Franken, they must also investigate Moore should he win the election. I don't see how they could do otherwise.

#11 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Absolutely. Based upon what we know so far (taking all accusers at their word), Moore is worse than Franken.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 01:41 PM | Reply

The problem with this mass-produced Instant Retort is that it assumes that conservatives are referring to Slick Willy's transgressions as a deflection, but if they are at the same time calling for equally slimy conservatives to likewise face the music, then they are not deflecting: they're calling out hypocrisy. Sorry liberals - a spade is a spade. You should be thrilled: at least we've restrained ourselves from invoking Hillary's name as his primary enabler and apologist.

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-21 02:35 PM | Reply

then they are not deflecting: they're calling out hypocrisy

Which only serves as a deflection.

Try again with a little more intellectual honesty this time.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-21 02:37 PM | Reply

Hypocrisy or "Tu Quoque."
It's a logical fallacy.
And a real darling of just about every opinionated ------- here.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-21 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well. RightOCenter definitely has a narrative he's been pushing for weeks.

You are right, and Robin Abcarian hit the nail on the head:

Instead of engaging in a partisan bickerfest, though, we need to talk about what the hell is going on in a country where in the last six weeks, an entitled and powerful man is accused of sexual misconduct at a rate that seems like once every 60 minutes.

Good heavens.

Will the last powerful man in America who has not been accused of sexual harassment please turn off the lights?

For years, the way men mistreated women in the workplace did not even have a name. It was, as as Harvey Weinstein so pitifully put it, "the culture."

Betty Friedan, in her landmark 1963 book "The Feminine Mystique," named a problem that begot the modern feminist movement. In 1975, a group of fed-up women at Cornell University did the same with "sexual harassment." In a "speak out" about the working conditions of women, they coined the phrase that set the stage for a new definition of illegal discrimination. As we see from the onslaught of dispiriting headlines, the odious behavior has continued unchecked.

Until now, thankfully.

Let's not let ourselves be gulled into defensiveness over whether those of us who support women's rights have been appropriately critical of badly behaving men because they happen to be political allies.

Sexual harassment is neither a Republican problem nor a Democratic one.

It's a man problem. Guys, this one's on you.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-21 03:53 PM | Reply

It's also why many nobodies like Charlie Rose and Oliver Stone are being brought up.

"Nobodies"?

That's hilarious/beyond disingenuous coming from someone who purports to work in entertainment.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-21 04:04 PM | Reply

"Nobodies"?
That's hilarious/beyond disingenuous coming from someone who purports to work in entertainment.

They are nobodies.

Charlie Rose? Who's he? A television personality? He harassed some women? Then they should have spoken out against him immediately and done something about it.

Oliver Stone? A movie director? He harassed women? Seems like it's who he is. Don't like it? Don't work for him. Take him to court.

Bunch of garbage you've been posting.

But.

Anything to deflect away from Trump and Moore.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 06:57 PM | Reply

an entitled and powerful man is accused of sexual misconduct at a rate that seems like once every 60 minutes.

So what's Trump going to do? Resign for sexual misconduct?

the way men mistreated women in the workplace did not even have a name.

Women are currently being sexually harassed and assaulted.

But. Theirs no political gain to be had. So their bosses, coworkers, teachers, classmates, neighbors, family members... will continue to do so.

Bill Clinton molested you? That can be used to attack democrats! It's news!

Bill your neighbor molested you? No one cares.

I guess the goal is to create a future where no man ever sexually "harasses" a woman.

Sexual harassment is subjective. So. Good luck.

You can start by castrating all men.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 07:08 PM | Reply

I posted this as a separate thread, but, yeah, it's time:

It's time to investigate the sexual assault charges against Donald Trump

Donald Trump got a pass during the campaign on numerous accusations of assault. We need a new special prosecutor

www.salon.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-21 07:47 PM | Reply

Donald Trump got a pass during the campaign on numerous accusations of assault.

Donald Trump got a pass during the campaign after bragging about sexually harassing and assulting women.

Women voted for him and wore shirts saying "Grab this ----!"

There's a double standard in America. Clear as day.

If you're a Republican, you can literally molest underaged girls and your base will support you.

If you're a democrat, you better be a saint, because one misstep and you're out.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you're a democrat, you better be a saint, because one misstep and you're out.'

Or just an accusation of a misstep. In the current political climate, even a Democratic saint, falsely accused, will be taken down as all the Dems jump on "we must believe the women" bandwagon.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-21 08:17 PM | Reply

Democratic saint, falsely accused, will be taken down as all the Dems jump on "we must believe the women" bandwagon.

And republicans will exploit this knowing all they need is a women accuser.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 08:22 PM | Reply

#24 Yep.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-21 08:23 PM | Reply

And then there's this stupidity:

Emily Lindin @EmilyLindin

Here's an unpopular opinion: I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations.

First, false allegations VERY rarely happen, so even bringing it up borders on a derailment tactic. It's a microscopic risk in comparison to the issue at hand (worldwide, systemic oppression of half the population.

And more importantly: The benefit of all of us getting to finally tell the truth + the impact on victims FAR outweigh the loss of any one man's reputation.

Sorry. If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.

How many of our reputations have suffered unfairly? How many of our lives have ALREADY BEEN destroyed because of physical violence against us? Why was that acceptable, but now one man's (potentially) unfair loss of a career opportunity is not?

twitter.com

What the hell is wrong with people? Oh, everything. This topic is still bringing out the worst in so many.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-21 08:50 PM | Reply

#26

This is why it's so difficult for women with legitimate claims of harassment to get taken seriously.

Didn't everyone read the story of "the boy who cried wolf" as a child?

As soon a a few women are proven to be liars, or exaggerating, the rest of them will be written off.

Women are women's biggest obstacle to equality and justice.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 10:00 PM | Reply

"Sorry. If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay."

Innocent men are just Collateral damage in the propaganda war. Trump has pretty much admitted it is Better to elect a pedophile to the senate than a Liberal! A liberal won't go along with fake plastic Republicans to vote to screw Middle class Americans with a fake tax cut.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-22 08:50 AM | Reply

Is this where we're heading?

David Frum‏ @davidfrum

So who is ready for a world in which Democrats force Al Franken out of the Senate while Republicans vote Roy Moore in?
8:27 AM - 20 Nov 2017

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-22 11:10 AM | Reply

Someone needs to clue in Kathleen Sebelius that the topic of the Clinton White House and Bubba and Hillary's actions aren't relevant:

Sebelius: The Clinton White House doubled down on 'abusive behavior' and it's fair to criticize Hillary Clinton

"How dare she bring this up!!!"

*run in circles*

"She obviously hates liberals!!!"

*flap flap flap*

-The DR Left

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-22 03:45 PM | Reply

Sebelius: The Clinton White House doubled down on 'abusive behavior' and it's fair to criticize Hillary Clinton.

The Clinton White House?

What about the Nixon White House or the Johnson White House?

What of John Quincy Adams!?

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-22 05:08 PM | Reply

#26 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2017-11-21 08:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Interesting. Snoofy posted something just like this.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-22 11:52 PM | Reply

"Snoofy posted something just like this."

Isn't is something how the problem is obvious when you read #26, but when they say "School vouchers give parents choice!" it's a lot harder to see what's really going on.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-23 12:28 AM | Reply

Do you remember that thread snoofy? I recall it was everyone pooping on you and I. Can't recall the exact news story.

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-23 10:12 AM | Reply

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