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Sunday, November 19, 2017

Jay-Z: This month Meek Mill was sentenced to two to four years in prison for violating his probation. #FreeMeek hashtags have sprung up, and hundreds of his fans rallied near City Hall in Philadelphia to protest the ruling. On the surface, this may look like the story of yet another criminal rapper who didn't smarten up and is back where he started. But consider this: Meek was around 19 when he was convicted on charges relating to drug and gun possession, and he served an eight-month sentence. Now he's 30, so he has been on probation for basically his entire adult life. For about a decade, he's been stalked by a system that considers the slightest infraction a justification for locking him back inside.

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What's happening to Meek Mill is just one example of how our criminal justice system entraps and harasses hundreds of thousands of black people every day. I saw this up close when I was growing up in Brooklyn during the 1970s and 1980s. Instead of a second chance, probation ends up being a land mine, with a random misstep bringing consequences greater than the crime. ...

In Pennsylvania, hundreds of thousands of people are on probation or parole. About half of the people in city jails in Philadelphia are there for probation or parole violations. We could literally shut down jails if we treated people on parole or probation more fairly.

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I sort of agree with this. And not because of the race factor.

I agree that if someone serves time, that should the end of their debt to society. I feel parole should only be for murder's and pedo's. If they don't act right, put them back in jail.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-20 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I totally agree, boaz. Most probation seems like a money making scheme.

#2 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-11-20 10:21 AM | Reply

It's a known fact there's profiling and violating terms of probation is a pretty minor offense but only depending on what one is on probation for.

#3 | Posted by draftkinger9 at 2017-11-20 11:05 AM | Reply

We have a place for people to be punished. That place is called prison. If people are a danger to society then that is where they should be.

Am I the only one who finds it odd that you can pull up a map of all the sex offenders near you but you can't do the same for drug dealers, thieves, and people who just beat their kids without a sexual component?

If they are a danger to society they shouldn't be out of prison.

#4 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-11-20 11:58 AM | Reply

"In May 2013, Mill was again found to have violated his probation and was ordered to take etiquette classes. The violation was a failure to report travel plans as required and social media postings that resulted in death threats to the judge, Assistant District Attorney (ADA) and probation officer assigned his case."

"On March 11, 2017, Mill was arrested at a local airport in St. Louis, Missouri for assaulting two pedestrians."

...that's not stalking by the judicial system.

It's comical that rappers are riding #FreeMeekMill to publicity, after he ridiculed the same people repeatedly. What are you gonna do though? It's business, and headlines are headlines.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-20 12:05 PM | Reply

#5 - The article has content relevant to your comments.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-20 12:12 PM | Reply

Yeah, and it's kind of dumb. You don't have to get charged for a probation violation, and the court doesn't care what color you are. Don't post your dumb ---- on Youtube.

That's real lesson of Meek Mills. Social media is an advertising outlet, but it's not your friend. Don't post stupid things.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-20 12:19 PM | Reply

#7 Even smarter, don't commit the crime that sent you to prison in the first place!

#8 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-20 01:08 PM | Reply

I understand the crime. The streets is a short stop. Either you're slingin' crack rock or you've got a wicked jump shot.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-20 01:37 PM | Reply

I agree that if someone serves time, that should the end of their debt to society.
#1 | Posted by boaz

Except for their right to vote right?

Your party doesnt want felons to ever vote again because they're afraid they'll vote democrat.

One of the many pathetic ways they have to cheat to win elections.

If you think doing jail time should end a person's debt to society, you should stop voting republican.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-20 01:41 PM | Reply

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#7 Even smarter, don't commit the crime that sent you to prison in the first place!

#8 | Posted by fishpaw

Or just commit white people crimes, like tax evasion or collapsing the economy, and you'll walk away scott free.

Rob a bank - go to jail.
Rob ALL the banks - get a bailout and a giant severance package.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-20 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#7 Even smarter, don't commit the crime that sent you to prison in the first place!"

Does your advice come with a time machine?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-20 01:52 PM | Reply

So Meek Mill was originally arrested for "illegal gun possession:"

"In 2008, prior to his star turn as a rapper, Meek Mill was arrested in his hometown of Philadelphia and charged with illegal possession of a firearm and drug possession after police found a gun on him while walking to the corner store." www.xxlmag.com

Thankfully the NRA came to his defense and he's been free and clear of legal troubles ever since!

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-20 01:59 PM | Reply

So what reason did the police have to search for and find his gun while walking to the corner store? Does someone have a more detailed account of what happened?

#14 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-11-20 02:55 PM | Reply

Your party doesnt want felons to ever vote again because they're afraid they'll vote democrat.#10 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-11-20 01:41 PM | FLAG:

LOL, and why would anyone think felons would vote democrat? Classic. Thanks Speak, needed that for a Monday.

#15 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-20 03:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So Meek Mill was originally arrested for "illegal gun possession:"
"In 2008, prior to his star turn as a rapper, Meek Mill was arrested in his hometown of Philadelphia and charged with illegal possession of a firearm and drug possession after police found a gun on him while walking to the corner store." www.xxlmag.com
Thankfully the NRA came to his defense and he's been free and clear of legal troubles ever since!

#13 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-11-20 01:59 PM | FLAG:

Funny that you left out the drug possession part. You and Speak affecting each other's posts?

#16 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-20 03:20 PM | Reply

why would anyone think felons would vote democrat? Classic. Thanks Speak, needed that for a Monday.

Facts?

"Democrats would benefit from additional ex-felon participation," said the authoritative study in The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

The authors, professors from the University of Pennsylvania and Stanford University, found that in some states, felons register Democratic by more than six-to-one. In New York, for example, 61.5 percent of convicts are Democrats, just 9 percent Republican. They also cited a study that found 73 percent of convicts who turn out for presidential elections would vote Democrat."

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-20 03:29 PM | Reply

So he had drugs and a gun on him. What was the excuse for searching him?

#18 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-11-20 03:40 PM | Reply

#17 I was being sarcastic and laughing at Speak for being so proud that her party had the felon vote locked up.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-20 03:41 PM | Reply

So he had drugs and a gun on him. What was the excuse for searching him?

#18 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2017-11-20 03:40 PM | FLAG:

According to the left the gun and drugs on him didn't matter, he was only searched because of his skin color.

#20 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-20 03:44 PM | Reply

According to the left the gun and drugs on him didn't matter, he was only searched because of his skin color.

#20 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2017-11-20 03:44 PM |

They did not find the gun or drugs until after they searched him. Why did they search him?

What was the probable cause to search him?

Its a simple question and it isn't about left or right it's about the constitutional ban on unreasonable search and seizure.

What they found when they searched him is inadmissable without probable cause

Provide a reasonable answer or admit the left is 100% correct

#21 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-11-20 04:29 PM | Reply

LOL, and why would anyone think felons would vote democrat? Classic. Thanks Speak, needed that for a Monday.

#15 | Posted by fishpaw

Because laws were written to criminalize liberal behaviors in order to help conservatives win elections. Your party is great at cheating. Horrible at governing.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-20 05:45 PM | Reply

According to the left the gun and drugs on him didn't matter, he was only searched because of his skin color.

#20 | Posted by fishpaw

Are you ignorant to suggest that doesn't happen?

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-20 05:45 PM | Reply

Because laws were written to criminalize liberal behaviors in order to help conservatives win elections.

Are you saying that robbery, assault, murder, rape, etc., are "liberal behaviors"?

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-20 05:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Are you saying that robbery, assault, murder, rape, etc., are "liberal behaviors"?

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris

No I'm saying weed was outlawed to lock up hippies and take away their votes.
Same reason crack is punished worse than cocaine.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-20 06:04 PM | Reply

#25 Got a link for that one?

#26 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-21 12:00 PM | Reply

They did not find the gun or drugs until after they searched him. Why did they search him?
What was the probable cause to search him?
Its a simple question and it isn't about left or right it's about the constitutional ban on unreasonable search and seizure.
What they found when they searched him is inadmissable without probable cause
Provide a reasonable answer or admit the left is 100% correct

#21 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2017-11-20 04:29 PM | FLAG:

That is a good question, Send the credible link showing why they searched him. Can't find anything that shows that the gun and drugs were found after they searched him or they searched him without probable cause. Why did he get prison time if as you say the drugs and gun were found without probable cause?

#27 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-11-21 12:09 PM | Reply

#25 Got a link for that one?

#26 | Posted by fishpaw

Yup.

Will you bother to read it?

Nope.

www.drugpolicy.org

Up front and center was a previously overlooked quotation from former top Nixon advisor John D. Ehrlichman, who died in 1999, but admitted in an interview in 1994 that the administration's "War on Drugs" was actually a reprehensible scheme to target anti-war protesters and African Americans.

He says, "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-21 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If someone has trouble understanding that the system is rigged, they need look no further than Jeffrey Epstein. A pedo who served 13 months in a posh jail and was allowed to leave and go to work every day.

#29 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-11-21 02:18 PM | Reply

I believe most paroles are to let someone out before they serve their full time for the original offense. Didn't Meek break his parole more than once? how many times can someone not abide by the judges orders till they have to serve their full time?

#30 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2017-11-21 03:12 PM | Reply

hey did not find the gun or drugs until after they searched him. Why did they search him?
What was the probable cause to search him?
Its a simple question and it isn't about left or right it's about the constitutional ban on unreasonable search and seizure.
What they found when they searched him is inadmissable without probable cause
Provide a reasonable answer or admit the left is 100% correct

#21 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2017-11-20 04:29 PM | FLAG:

I believe when someone is on parole they don't need probable cause to be searched they gave that up as one of their terms of release I could be wrong.

#31 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2017-11-21 03:15 PM | Reply

The posession charges are secondary offenses. Nobody can find any reason he was stopped and searched in the first place.

Is walking to the corner store by itself reasonable suspicion?

Did they have a reason to stop him and search him?

I am not assuming they didn't I am asking someone to provide an answer to that question.

I don't give police the benefit of the doubt automatically.
Innocent until proven guilty. I don't even see an accusation that merits a search.

The police do not have unlimited power or authority.

#32 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-11-21 03:18 PM | Reply

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