Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, November 19, 2017

In the longstanding liberal narrative about Bill Clinton and his scandals, the one pushed by Clinton courtiers and ratified in media coverage of his post-presidency, our 42nd president was only guilty of being a horndog, his affairs were nobody's business but his family's, and oral sex with Monica Lewinsky was a small thing that should never have put his presidency in peril.

That narrative could not survive the current wave of outrage over male sexual misconduct.

So now a new one may be forming for the age of Harvey Weinstein and Donald Trump. Liberals might be willing to concede that the Lewinsky affair was a pretty big deal morally, a clear abuse of sexual power, for which Clinton probably should have been pressured to resign.

It may be that the conservatives of the 1990s were simply right about Clinton, that once he failed to resign he really deserved to be impeached.

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The Clinton operation was extraordinarily sordid, in ways that should be thrown into particular relief by the absence of similar scandals in the Obama administration, which had perfervid enemies and circling investigators as well.

The sexual misconduct was the heart of things, but everything connected to Clinton's priapism was bad: the use of the perks of office to procure women, willing and unwilling; the frequent use of that same power to buy silence and bully victims; and yes, the brazen public lies and perjury.

Something like Troopergate, if you read The Los Angeles Times's reporting on the allegations (which included phone records confirming the troopers' account of a mistress Clinton was seeing during his presidential transition) and Stephanopoulos's portrayal of Clinton's behavior in the White House when the story broke, the story seems like it was probably mostly true.

With Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky, we know what happened: A president being sued for sexual harassment tried to buy off a mistress-turned-potential-witness with White House favors, and then committed perjury serious enough to merit disbarment. Which also brought forward a compelling allegation from Juanita Broaddrick that the president had raped her.

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There is a common liberal argument that our present polarization is the result of constant partisan escalations on the right -- the rise of Newt Gingrich, the steady Hannitization of right-wing media.

Some of this is true. But returning to the impeachment imbroglio made me think that in that case the most important escalators were the Democrats. They had an opportunity, with Al Gore waiting in the wings, to show a predator the door and establish some moral common ground for a polarizing country.

And what they did instead -- turning their party into an accessory to Clinton's appetites, shamelessly abandoning feminist principle, smearing victims and blithely ignoring his most credible accuser, all because Republicans funded the investigations and they're prudes and it's all just Sexual McCarthyism -- feels in the cold clarity of hindsight like a great act of partisan deformation.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-19 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's fascinating to me to see very liberal publications like the NYT, WashPo and The Atlantic coming to grips with the fact that in hindsight Bubba's actions in regards to women (and the accompanying lies and victim bashing) were pretty awful.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-19 08:52 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

THAT's what you find fascinating?

We're in the midst of a culture coming to grips with patriarchal privilege handed to white males for centuries.

Sheeeesh.

Speaks volumes.

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-19 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Duh, I am the one that has been castigated from the start when I posted the "Harvey Weinstein is Lawyering UP" articles of posting these articles, which have highlighted exactly what you are talking about.

I have also been accused of deflecting from the seriousness of the issue by bringing up these Clinton articles, but the fact that we are in the midst of this cultural shift is what is causing this introspection over the blindspot that the MSM had for the Clintons while these allegations were being made.

And yes, Trump needs to address the accusations made against him and like Clinton with the Lewinsky admission, should resign.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-19 09:06 PM | Reply

Trolling trolling trolling. Sad that's what you've been reduced to.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-19 09:13 PM | Reply

Duh...
#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

That's more like it!!

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-19 09:21 PM | Reply

That's more like it!!

Show some respect. This is an RoC thread and you are supposed to bow down and acknowledge that he said it first, or said it again, or predicted it before, or whatever...

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-19 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

President Trump entered the dressing room of teenage girls. And bragged about it.

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-11-19 09:56 PM | Reply

Deal with Trump, a moral desert. If he goes peacefully maybe we can travel back in time to deal with Bill

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-19 10:08 PM | Reply

Explain to me how it is trolling Laura...you don't think this is topical?

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-19 10:17 PM | Reply

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Roy Moore and Donald Trump are topical. Bubba is ancient history.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-19 10:30 PM | Reply

NYT, WashPo and The Atlantic all disagree, after all, if that "statistical anomaly" hadn't happened would be First Man right now. Just because Hillary! lost doesn't lessen the topicality of his transgressions.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-19 10:40 PM | Reply

- the topicality of his transgressions.

Clown has Roy Moore running for Senate and Donald Trump in the Presidency, and all he wants to talk about is Bill Clinton.

Now there's the true definition of a hack.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-19 10:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Now there's the true definition of a hack.

Well a real hack would go with Ted Kennedy, but Babbles is MIA.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-19 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That one will do until Unkie Babbles returns.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-19 11:19 PM | Reply

RoC is correctly repeating and publicizing a valid point that has occurred to many of us liberals over the past month. Bill Clinton was given basically a free pass by the left for what in hindsight really was unacceptable and outrageous behavior. That is relevant today as we wrestle with other issues of sexual harassment, albeit under different circumstances.

In order to grapple with the sexual impropriety of Moore and Trump, we need to also come to grips with Bill Clinton. How is it that we on the left were so quick to circle the wagons around him?

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-11-20 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bill Clinton didn't spend his life pretending to be an especially moral religious role model while cruising malls for teenagers.

And whatever he did do, between unproved allegations and rwing lies nobody is really sure what he did other than get a --------, was 20 plus years ago in a socially somewhat less sex conscious milieu.

Coming to terms with progressive goals and the actual behavior of some people that long ago is an interesting and possibly even somehow worthwhile philosophical exercise.... which just happens to coincide with rwing Deflections from current events that affect the political leadership in the Senate and the WH which, correct me if I'm wrong, are them much more relevant than living in the past.

And since rwingers have found out how easy it is to manipulate some supposed lefties with chronic, incurable HDS into changing the subject to Clintons, they have been thrilled.

They won the last election just that way.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-20 12:36 AM | Reply

Bill Clinton was given basically a free pass by the left for what in hindsight really was unacceptable and outrageous behavior.

Bill Clinton was impeached by the US House of Representatives and disbarred. He's paid a much higher political price for his transgression than has any politician since. If Trump were to go through the same sequence, would we be saying he too got a free pass? I don't think so, especially if the victims have their stories of untoward abuse told on Capitol Hill.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-20 06:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Poor, sad, demented Trump faithful. How long can you hold your hands over your eyes, and keep your ears plugged, and at the same time throw turd-bombs at someone else, someone that has been out of office for 40 years? You only stop that long enough to throw them at hillary, who is a now a private citizen the same as you.

You deserve Trump, but the rest of America doesn't. We don't have to do penance for sins we did not commit.

#19 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-20 09:08 AM | Reply


Bubba is ancient history.

#11 | Posted by Corky

Some of these accusations were happening at the same time that Clinton was playing with cigars.

Now it's ancient history?

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-20 09:14 AM | Reply

The current president is a serial sexual harasser (or worse). Maybe that's more important in this moment than 25-year-old Bill Clinton allegations that were massively covered in the 1990s.

The impulse by some Democrats to throw Clinton under the bus today -- after declining to do so for decades -- is completely phony. If you didn't have concerns when Bill was in power or Hillary was a viable presidential candidate, raising them now when the Clintons have zero political future is as fake as Trump's hairline.

It's as fake as the admiration people have for a former president of the other party when that person's time in office is over. Of course you like them better -- they can't ---- up your life any more with their ------ policies!

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-20 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

- allegations that were massively covered in the 1990s.

If that's the case, society should overlook the Catholic Church scandal, Bill Cosby, or heck, any sexual assaults more than 10-15 years old.

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-20 10:53 AM | Reply

If we have learned little else from the sexual follies of powerful people over the last few decades, it is that on their own they will never modify their own behavior.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-11-20 11:26 AM | Reply

If that's the case, society should overlook the Catholic Church scandal, Bill Cosby, or heck, any sexual assaults more than 10-15 years old.

None of those were massively covered in the '90s. Try again.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-20 11:27 AM | Reply

SheepleSchism: Using Ed Klein as a source? Seriously? Even right-wingers who hate the Clintons admit that Klein is a hack whose books are full of lies.

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-20 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Duh...
#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER
That's more like it!!

#6 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2017-11-19 09:21 PM

That initial comment was aimed at you... :)

Coming to terms with progressive goals and the actual behavior of some people that long ago is an interesting and possibly even somehow worthwhile philosophical exercise

Which was my point in #2

If you didn't have concerns when Bill was in power or Hillary was a viable presidential candidate, raising them now when the Clintons have zero political future is as fake as Trump's hairline.

The question is, would you have concerns if Bill was First Man (if the "statistical anomaly" hadn't happened")? Obviously a hypothetical, but if you continued to give him a pass because it happened so long ago where would you fit in the ranks of the apologizers?

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-20 11:43 AM | Reply

The question is, would you have concerns if Bill was First Man (if the "statistical anomaly" hadn't happened")?

Bill Clinton had a consensual affair with a White House intern. It was embarrassing but not a scandal worthy of impeachment.

Because the right-wing media and Clinton haters spread so many false allegations against him in the 1990s, I have trouble taking seriously sexual claims made against him.

But even if I did, he wasn't running for president last year. Hillary was. Bill was not a factor in my decision to vote for Hillary. I'm not going to hold a woman accountable for her husband's extramarital sexual activities.

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-20 11:52 AM | Reply

Bill Clinton had a consensual affair with a White House intern.

Any employer will tell you that his actions constituted sexual harassment.

Then of course he perjured himself about it during his sexual harassment case with Paula Jones.

He got slapped with a contempt of court charge, was disbarred for 5 years and had to pay a 6-figure fine. Should all of that warranted impeachment and removal?

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-20 12:14 PM | Reply

Does no one else see the GOP stirring up their base using Clinton?

Trump has stated he likes to sexually assault women. Roy Moore is child molester.

But what about Bill Clinton!

And like a dog whistle. All the idiot republicans fall in line.

They'd rather ponder "what if Clinton was first husband of the United States?"

Than be confronted with the reality that our current president bragged about assulting women and one of their senator nominees likes to take underage women to a cabin on the woods and molest them.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-20 12:24 PM | Reply

Should all of that warranted impeachment and removal?
#29 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Why not jump into your time machine and go back to the 90s when anyone gave a flying f**k.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-20 12:27 PM | Reply

If that's the case, society should overlook the Catholic Church scandal, Bill Cosby, or heck, any sexual assaults more than 10-15 years old.

They do. It's called the statute of limitations.

What happened to the Catholic Church? Nothing.

What happened to Cosby? Nothing.

Actually. The only person to have been effected by a 20 year old allegation was Kevin Spacey. Because he admitted to it.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-20 12:30 PM | Reply

Should all of that warranted impeachment and removal?
#29 | POSTED BY JEFFJ
----
Why not jump into your time machine and go back to the 90s when anyone gave a flying f**k.

#31 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Because it's a thread topic today.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-20 12:32 PM | Reply

Any employer will tell you that his actions constituted sexual harassment.

There are many relationships that begin when two people work together and both sides want the relationship.

Stop pretending that's the same thing as Louis CK causing disgust and alarm in his female coworkers by asking them if he could whip it out.

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-20 12:39 PM | Reply

#34 | POSTED BY RCADE

Having sexual relations with a subordinate is classic sexual harassment.

That it took place at work, is harassment for any other woman working there.

Are you truly not familiar with this?

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-20 12:52 PM | Reply

Having sexual relations with a subordinate is classic sexual harassment. ... Are you truly not familiar with this?

You're being obtuse.

If all Louis CK was accused of doing was having sex with a subordinate who wanted to have sex with him, it wouldn't be a scandal.

If all Kevin Spacey was accused of doing was having sex with a subordinate who wanted to have sex with him, it wouldn't be a scandal.

There are people all over America in consensual relationships that began when they worked together and both were not at the same level in the org chart.

That is obviously nothing like non-consensual situations, no matter how much you want them all treated the same.

What Bill and Monica did is only sexual harassment if she felt harassed. She didn't.

If an adult woman wants to have sex with her boss, or an adult man wants to have sex with his, that might not be a great idea in some companies but it's not automatically sexual harassment.

#38 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-20 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'd hate to waste my moral outrage on assaults

I bet. Especially considering you've yet to feign outrage towards Moore or Trump.

Don't worry Musty. If a child molester doesn't trigger your moral outrage. Nothing will.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-20 01:11 PM | Reply

Because it's a thread topic today.

It's only a thread topic because the GOP need a deflection.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-20 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39 Oh, I think Moore is a scumbag and should not only be physically ejected from the election but should probably be spending time behind bars. There are too many credible accusers for this to be a case of false accusations for political gain.

#41 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-20 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Glad to hear it, Mustang. Nobody of any party who preys on kids should be anywhere near Congress.

#42 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-20 01:35 PM | Reply

"He got slapped with a contempt of court charge, was disbarred for 5 years and had to pay a 6-figure fine. Should all of that warranted impeachment and removal?"

Not really, no.

I think most reasonable people understand that Clinton told a white lie to protect his marriage.

I guess you don't understand that though. Or, you think that's a High Crime and Misdemeanor. Which is fine, you can have that opinion.

But, since we're reminiscing today, one has to ask why wasn't Iran Contra about a million times worse? You remember living through Iran Contra right? That's the one where the White House illegally sold hundreds of millions of dollars in weapons to the Ayatollah Khomeini, so they could illegally give the money to militants in Nicaragua.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-20 01:39 PM | Reply

Than be confronted with the reality that our current president bragged about assulting women and one of their senator nominees likes to take underage women to a cabin on the woods and molest them.

#30 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-11-20 12:24 PM

Trump needs to resign and Moore should step down.

Feel better now?

So instead of avoiding the thread topic, why don't you actually address it:

Are you still giving Bill Clinton a pass?

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-20 01:41 PM | Reply

#43

Deflection noted, start a new thread.

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-20 01:42 PM | Reply

"Are you still giving Bill Clinton a pass?"

A "pass" being disbarment, contempt, and a hefty fine by normal people standards?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-20 01:51 PM | Reply

Look how the Gingrich's paid the price for their extramarital affair:

Newt Gingrich's affair with his future third wife Callista Bisek, at the time an aide in the office of Wisconsin Rep. Steve Gunderson, was in full bloom on the eve of the Republican Revolution that propelled Gingrich to become House Speaker, in 1994.

"It was fairly common knowledge on the Hill," a former colleague of Callista's in Gunderson's office tells Rolling Stone. "Certainly in Republican circles it was widely known about."

www.rollingstone.com

Callista Gingrich confirmed as Vatican ambassador

www.cnn.com

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-20 01:59 PM | Reply

Are you still giving Bill Clinton a pass?

Why do you care at this point? Bill won't hold office again. Hillary has zero point zero percent of winning a White House run in the future. Nothing new is being alleged about Bill. It's just stuff that was alleged a quarter century ago.

I guess it still must stick in your craw that after over a year of impeachmentpalooza Bill was more popular, his accusers in Congress less popular and he won re-election in a walk.

But that happens when GOP phonies in Congress pretended that "he lied about a consensual affair with an intern" is the most scandalous scandal in the history of scandals.

The GOP leaders who went after Bill had sexual skeletons of their own -- most disgustingly Dennis Hastert.

#48 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-20 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Deflection noted, start a new thread."

And before you say that about my Gingrich's comment: Nope, merely pointing out the double standard.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-20 02:00 PM | Reply

#48

Nope, I voted for Clinton in 2006 since I thought he was the better choice for the country, his sexual indiscretions notwithstanding. Still think he was one of the better Presidents in the second half of the 20th Century

The tide of sexual harassment allegations is just reaching Capitol Hill (and it is about time) but I have always been amazed at the blind spot the Left has had for Bill and Hillary in this regard. The same applies to other major national figures (including Gingrich) so they are not alone.

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-20 02:11 PM | Reply

#49

Didn't think it was a deflection (like Iran Contra in a sexual harassment thread), I agree with you on Gingrich, I personally have always thought he was a creeper.

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-20 02:12 PM | Reply

Are you still giving Bill Clinton a pass?

Bill Clinton is a private citizen.

Bring him up for no reason is what I'm questioning.

How many people should have their histories vetted for sexual harassment/assault?

Every ex-politician? Everyone?

We barely vet current politicians for sexual harassment/assault.

But. I'll tell you what. If Bill Clinton was currently running for office and accused of sexual harassment/assault. I wouldn't vote for him.

Now. Can you stop posting threads about him?

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-20 02:35 PM | Reply

The Republicans at the time didn't really care about Clinton's extramarital trysts. They wanted payback for Nixon and used sexual misconduct as the vehicle in which to do it.

#53 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-20 02:54 PM | Reply

Bill Clinton is a private citizen.
Bring him up for no reason is what I'm questioning.
- Clownshack

Nixon is a dead private citizen, and yet, people want to bring him up and point to Trump almost daily.
Hitler is long dead, but for some reason, we're scrambling to avoid another 1933 Blitzkrieg, aka Trump.

It's obvious why some people use hand waving when Bill's name is brought up,
but have no problem bringing up other historical figures in similar situations.

It's the same reason OJ is mentioned in certain stories as a comparison - because it applies.
Most notably as a 'double- standard'.

#54 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-20 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nixon is a dead private citizen, and yet, people want to bring him up and point to Trump almost daily."

Because Trump is following the same or similar path towards impeachment. Not because anyone wants to dig up the corpse of Nixon and re-try him.

"Hitler is long dead, but for some reason, we're scrambling to avoid another 1933 Blitzkrieg, aka Trump."

Not sure what you mean there but Trump had a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed. Many of Trump's speeches use the same tactics of turning part of the population against another (hence the comparisons). Again...While Trump has been accused of using similar tactics no one I know wants to dig up Hitler and retry him.

Clinton was held accountable and paid a heavy price. Yet you want to retry him? Why?

He is not even running for office.

Anything to deflect from what is happening now.

Like the Republicans trying to slip worse tax bill in American history past us all.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-20 05:39 PM | Reply

Lets just elect strict muslims for POTUS...they can keep the woman in check fer sure. Unless it's one from ksa....they are letting them females drive i heard. I HEARD MANY ROYALS IN THE KSA HAVE BEEN PURGED RECENTLY....ONES WHO ARE BUDS WITH OLE BILL C...

KSA YOUSAY?

#56 | Posted by mutant at 2017-11-20 10:32 PM | Reply

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#57 | Posted by mutant at 2017-11-20 11:27 PM | Reply

so much justification and hair-splitting.

It all boils down to one thing. And this is the bottom line.

Trumpers do not want to acknowledge or even discuss Trump's deeds.

#58 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-21 09:13 AM | Reply

"Nixon is a dead private citizen, and yet, people want to bring him up and point to Trump almost daily."

"HOW DONALD TRUMP AND ROY COHN'S RUTHLESS SYMBIOSIS CHANGED AMERICA"

www.vanityfair.com

#59 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-21 10:52 AM | Reply

"Trumpers do not want to acknowledge or even discuss Trump's deeds."

"Clintonites do not want to acknowledge or even discuss Clinton's deeds"

Same ----, different day.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-21 12:01 PM | Reply

#60

Trump is currently our president.

Clinton isn't.

Your Clinton Derangement Syndrome has rotted your brain.

Apparently, in your world, the only way to hold Trump accountable is if we draw up some charges against Clinton.

Like I said earlier. Clinton is a private citizen. How many ex politicians do you feel need to be vetted for sexual misconduct? Only the Clintons? Or every living person who was ever a politician?

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 12:07 PM | Reply

Clinton gets brought up as a reminder of the absurd and disgusting lengths Democrats and liberals went to excuse his behavior and defend him.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 12:20 PM | Reply

Same ----, different day.

We won't be talking about Trump's sexual abuse of women in 25 years.

#63 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-21 12:21 PM | Reply

We won't be talking about Trump's sexual abuse of women in 25 years.

#63 | POSTED BY RCADE

Wanna bet?

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 12:22 PM | Reply

Clinton gets brought up as a reminder of the absurd and disgusting lengths Democrats and liberals went to excuse his behavior and defend him.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 12:20 PM | Reply

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn.

#65 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-21 12:23 PM | Reply

Clinton gets brought up as a reminder of the absurd and disgusting lengths Democrats and liberals went to excuse his behavior and defend him.

Care to expand on this idea of "the absurd and disgusting lengths Democrats and liberals went to excuse his behavior and defend him."

Because I'm calling Bull on your partisan isht.

Republicans are so petty.

They made Clinton stand trail for a consensual bj.

They hounded Obama for a birth certificate.

Everything republicans do is out of sheer pettiness.

Homosexuals can't get married cause we said so! Women can't get abortions cause we said so! This is a dry county cause we said so! Wearing white after Labor Day is illegal cause we said so!

Republicans are just a bunch of spoiled brats who never grew out of it.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 12:34 PM | Reply

"Clinton gets brought up as a reminder of the absurd and disgusting lengths Democrats and liberals went to excuse his behavior and defend him."

Defend him against his enemies in Congress who were doing the exact same things even as they accused him. Clinton gets brought up because Obama is too squeaky clean and Republicans need someone to point at while they try to elect a pedophile in Alabama because they will need his vote in the Senate to pass the worst tax scheme to ever be passed in our history.

#67 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-21 12:48 PM | Reply

Care to expand on this idea of "the absurd and disgusting lengths Democrats and liberals went to excuse his behavior and defend him."

I would, but you obviously won't listen as it's been hashed thousands of times on this site.

They made Clinton stand trail for a consensual bj.

Oh really? And you have the nerve to call Bull on my partisan isht. Clinton was hit with a contempt of court charge, disbarred for 5 years and a 6-figure fine because he perjured himself during the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit.

As you are surely aware: " Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find."

Because, the sexual harassment and assault claims were all just part and parcel of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 12:48 PM | Reply

He perjured himself over a -------.

Why should anyone... actually care?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-21 12:50 PM | Reply

Because, the sexual harassment and assault claims were all just part and parcel of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 12:48 PM | Reply

It was payback for Nixon. Nothing more nothing less. They really didn't care who Bill Clinton stuck his wick into. It was revenge and they used the concocted sexual misconduct vehicle to do it.

#70 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-21 12:51 PM | Reply

He perjured himself over a -------.
Why should anyone... actually care?

#69 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I'm pretty sure Paula Jones cared.

Also, perjury is a felony, so yeah, a lot of people cared about that.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 12:53 PM | Reply

Republicans need someone to point at while they try to elect a pedophile in Alabama because they will need his vote in the Senate to pass the worst tax scheme to ever be passed in our history.

#67 | POSTED BY DANNI

Roy Moore is a sexual predator, but he's not a pedophile. Pedophiles pray on pre-pubescent children.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-21 12:57 PM | Reply

What do Donald Trump and Roy Moore have in common?

A taste for 14 year old girls.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-21 01:03 PM | Reply

"A taste for 14 year old girls."

Trump's taste may have gone lower.

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-21 01:32 PM | Reply

"Also, perjury is a felony, so yeah, a lot of people cared about that."

The circumstances surrounding the perjury are such that a mountain was made out of an inconsequential white lie of a molehill. About a legal consensual personal affair.

It's on par with if he had committed perjury by denying he ever masturbated.

There is no harm done to the country by his lie. Hes not covering up any scandal or abuse of power. That should matter. Especially after Watergate. Especially after Iran Contra.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-21 02:10 PM | Reply

"Trump's taste may have gone lower."

If you ever provide actual proof of that, then he's toast. Until then, it's just innuendo that's helping to inoculate him politically every time it's repeated. That's probably why he put that out there in the first place.

#76 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-11-21 02:28 PM | Reply

The question is, would you have concerns if Bill was First Man (if the "statistical anomaly" hadn't happened")?
Bill Clinton had a consensual affair with a White House intern. It was embarrassing but not a scandal worthy of impeachment.
Because the right-wing media and Clinton haters spread so many false allegations against him in the 1990s, I have trouble taking seriously sexual claims made against him.
But even if I did, he wasn't running for president last year. Hillary was. Bill was not a factor in my decision to vote for Hillary. I'm not going to hold a woman accountable for her husband's extramarital sexual activities.

#28 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2017-11-20 11:52 AM | FLAG:

Just curious if the story holds Hillary was not just a bystander when Bill had his discretion's she also went after the accusers so if that was brought to light and is true would you still have voted for her?

#77 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2017-11-21 03:31 PM | Reply

Just curious if the story holds Hillary was not just a bystander ...

Blaming a spouse for being cheated on is crazy. I know people can't let go of Hillary hate but come on. That affair was Bill's mess and Bill's problem, not hers.

#78 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-21 08:18 PM | Reply

"Blaming a spouse for being cheated on is crazy." - #78 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-21 08:18 PM

Agreed.

But surely there's a Bible verse somewhere supporting that craziness.

If not, they'll make one up.

#79 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-21 08:23 PM | Reply

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