Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, November 15, 2017

Republican Roy Moore is trailing Democrat Doug Jones by 12 points in the Alabama special Senate election, according to a poll conducted by the National Republican Senatorial Committee after five women accused Moore of pursuing them as teenagers. Jones led Moore 51 to 39 percent, according to the survey taken Sunday and Monday. ... The poll shows a dramatic turn against Moore in Alabama: In early October, a committee poll had him leading by 16 points, and a survey early this month had him up by 9 points.

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Seven women now.

#1 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-15 08:52 PM | Reply

Or maybe nine. Getting hard to follow.

#2 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-15 08:55 PM | Reply

How could be have any support? Jeebus.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-15 08:56 PM | Reply

Nine. And the numbers are only going to grow everyday moving forward.

Dude obviously got around.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-15 09:05 PM | Reply

"Dude obviously got around." - #4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-15 09:05 PM

Especially around malls.

#5 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-15 09:13 PM | Reply

Good thing Gadsden only had one mall.

#6 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-15 09:14 PM | Reply

This is good news.

Should keep Biden from running.

#7 | Posted by sawdust at 2017-11-15 09:16 PM | Reply

"Should keep Biden from running." - #7 | Posted by sawdust at 2017-11-15 09:16 PM

A comment that makes no sense.

No sense whatsoever.

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-15 09:18 PM | Reply

After all the accusations of Hollywood people, I expected congressman and senators to start dropping like flies.

#9 | Posted by LEgregius at 2017-11-15 09:23 PM | Reply

I like Allred's demand for a congressional hearing on the matter. Get the women to testify under oath and get Moore to testify under oath.

I don't think these women would have ANY problem testifying against their predator. They clearly didn't mind risking their personal lives in coming out with accusations against him, which doesn't carry as much risk as testifying, but is DEFINITELY risky.

9 of them now?

And Moore is right, it is VERY interesting timing. These woman are riding the same wave Terry Cruise is on with the timing of his accusation: it's a sign of the times and these women feared Moore, being the molester he's accused of being, having even more influence and power than he already has.

So yes, timing is a BIG part of this and it has mostly to do with making sure a pedophile does not gain congressional power. The rest of it is explained by the tidal wave of women standing up not just for themselves, but for all the other victims who did not feel powerful enough to come forward, to speak their truth.

If Terry Cruise can be shamed and intimidated into silence, there's no reason to believe all these women (including the 9 Moore accusers) of also having similar feelings. Timing is an issue here, but it's not the issue Moore would like you to believe it is.

It is in fact POSSIBLE that 9 women came forward with lies just to undermine Republican senate seat. That is indeed possible. However, it is HARDLY probable! Which is why so many Moore apologists are eager to perceive and voice parallels between the Moore case and the Duke Lacrosse case. Too bad those folks struggle with arithmetic; they may have had an opportunity to save that senate seat for a Republican. Now? It's not looking to good for Moore or the Republicans at the WORST time possible with tax reform on the table.

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-15 09:28 PM | Reply

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if the Alabama GOP kicks him out by friday, Trump won't have to denonce him friday, along with his Sessions firing.
Trumpus can just agree. win win win.
#toomuchwinning

#11 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-11-15 09:37 PM | Reply

#AllTheWinningMakesMyBrainHurt

#12 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-15 09:42 PM | Reply

- at the WORST time possible with tax reform on the table.

Good call. May be why Mitch McConnell was one of the first to drop Moore like a hot tater.

Next up, 14 midgets, er, little people, claim to have been been sexually harassed by Mike Pence while rehearsing a new production of "The Wizard of Oz" on location in Kansas. *Laura plays Todo!

Which will make Orin "Who am I again?" Hatch the next President after the P shower tapes are released.

Which will happen pretty soon if Trump doesn't get those Ukraine Sanctions on Putin lifted! He's trying his best to keep Vlad happy until he can get 'er done, though. You have to give him that.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-15 09:44 PM | Reply

Rs are really between a rock and a hard place. They can't kick him off the ballot. His ego is unlikely to let him drop out. If he stays in the race Ds pick up the seat and the Senate is 51 Rs to 49 Ds with all those tax handouts to rich people on the table. They sure had it coming.

#14 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2017-11-15 09:44 PM | Reply

But what about Bill Clinton!?

~Usual Suspects.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-15 10:06 PM | Reply

Clown,

Based upon a few things you've revealed about yourself, I am guessing your are in your mid-30's.

If I am correct, you didn't live through the Clinton stuff as an adult.

Obviously you can read, but there is a difference between reading history and living it - it's why first-person testimony is so valuable in law, reporting, historical accounts, etc.

I lived through the Clinton scandals as a young adult and witnessed firsthand all of the sordid defenses of his actions.

If we, as a society, are going to push for a Weinsteine-purge then both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump should be included. Heck, maybe Bush 41 belongs in there too. Perhaps he is entitled to a post-mortem reckoning that Ted Kennedy enjoyed with the about-t0-be-released Chappaquiddick movie. From what I've read this movie is brutally-honest about this incident. How does a person who should have been charged and convicted for involuntary manslaughter, who disgustingly abused "monarchical" powers in order to exempt himself from reckoning become a "liberal Lion" of the Senate and one whose life was grossly celebrated after death?

On topic - Moore is unfit.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 10:21 PM | Reply

it's why first-person testimony is so valuable in law,

Eyewitness testimony is far and away the least reliable form of evidence.

The fact that you don't know this -- while claiming to be a supporter of law and order -- is why you're just a hack.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 10:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Based upon a few things you've revealed about yourself, I am guessing your are in your mid-30's.
If I am correct, you didn't live through the Clinton stuff as an adult.
Obviously you can read, but there is a difference between reading history and living it - it's why first-person testimony is so valuable in law, reporting, historical accounts, etc.
#16 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I just turned 35 and was WELL aware of everything going on as related to Billy Boy Clinton. From his first election (my neighbors threw election parties for the Dems every 2 years) to his reelection and the craziness that followed.

Do NOT discount someone's opinion simply because he/she was younger than 18 when an incident took place. Although Clinton's accusers were -------- in my house and my neighbor's house, that doesn't mean I wasn't capable of seeing it for what it was: Potential deviousness on part of a campaigning POTUS and then on part of an elected POTUS. Turns out it was my own parents' --------- (can someone offer a better synonym?) of the allegations that made me think there was a ring of truth to them. So goes being the only-child, rebel of the family, right? Just like my parents' religion, I eschewed their political beliefs solely on the grounds that they were theirs. Maybe some folks were unable to do similar, but you shouldn't ------ (see?! Can someone assist me here? I'm three IPAs deep already) an opinion simply because they weren't considered an adult when said events took place.

And for the record, I've always considered Clowny to be older than me just by his opinionated, articulated perspective. That may expose something about me, or maybe something more about him. Either way, his opinion matters just as much as mine, or yours, JEFFJ.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-15 10:37 PM | Reply

I should clarify, though...I eschewed my parents religion MAINLY on the point that I was willing to acknowledge the Church's deplorable responses to child sexual abuse on the part of priests, and my parents were not. It wasn't just because they were Catholics that I left the church; it was mainly because they refused to acknowledge the Church's complicity in the abuse.

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-15 10:39 PM | Reply

On topic - Moore is unfit.
#16 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Agreed, however much that's an understatement.

#20 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-15 10:40 PM | Reply

Why people bring up Clinton when Moore is accused of sexually harassing 14 - 16 yr old girls is... well, it's just rwing hackery, obfuscation, and deflection.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-15 10:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Albert Einstein was an adulterer.

FACT!

#22 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-11-15 10:44 PM | Reply

Albert Einstein fcuked his own cousin.

FACT!

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-15 10:45 PM | Reply

it's just rwing hackery, obfuscation, and deflection.
#21 | POSTED BY CORKY

Agreed, although, it's not as though Billy Boy was not an adulterer, nor skeeeeeevy in the current definition's sense.

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-15 10:47 PM | Reply

it's why first-person testimony is so valuable in law,
---
Eyewitness testimony is far and away the least reliable form of evidence.
The fact that you don't know this -- while claiming to be a supporter of law and order -- is why you're just a hack.

#17 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-11-15 10:34 PM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 1

Way to disingenuously edit my quote. Way to grossly distort my point. Way to erect a strawman in the process. Way to prove Sully correct in his assessment that you are the most fundamentally dishonest person on this site. #17 is just another piece of evidence that supports his assertion. Great job implicating yourself!

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 10:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#16 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Jeff,

The only reason CLinton should be mentioned is to state that he along with so many others (Congress is apparently rife with sexual harassment and misconduct). That's it.

Which means it's irrelevant in any discussion of Moore beyond how the Moore case might grow to purge the rest of the sick bastards.

But the odd thing about the Clinton deflection that I've realized of late is that it is basically an admission of sorts on the GOP's part.

Either an admission that they know it's true but that we shouldn't care because it's been done before.

Or, they're admitting that their holier-than-thou nonsense over the years is BS as they're more than willing to accept behavior among their ranks on par with that of the Godless heathen Democrats.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-15 10:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Hey, but what about Cleopatra. I heard she and Ted Kennedy used to git bizzy in a Burger King bathroom.

#27 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-11-15 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#18 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

"Clowny" is about your age based upon what you just stated.

Please understand that I wasn't trying to play an age card on either of you (I'm 47 BTW).

Age doesn't necessarily equate wisdom.

As it pertains to the Clinton scandals, I lived through all of it. That's not exactly the same as reading about it after-the-fact.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 10:54 PM | Reply

Either an admission that they know it's true but that we shouldn't care because it's been done before.
Or, they're admitting that their holier-than-thou nonsense over the years is BS as they're more than willing to accept behavior among their ranks on par with that of the Godless heathen Democrats.
#26 | POSTED BY JPW

Agreed.

#29 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-15 10:55 PM | Reply

I didn't edit your quote, I simply pointed out an egregious lie you believe in, and one responsible for many miscarriages of justice.
You'd think that might bother your precious little "law and order" head, but nooooooooooo.
Of course, a lot of right-wingers believe the lie just like you do, so you've got plenty of "law and order" company.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 10:57 PM | Reply

Roy's new ad slogan: "Doing it, for the children"

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-15 10:59 PM | Reply

The only reason CLinton should be mentioned is to state that he along with so many others (Congress is apparently rife with sexual harassment and misconduct). That's it.
Which means it's irrelevant in any discussion of Moore beyond how the Moore case might grow to purge the rest of the sick bastards.
But the odd thing about the Clinton deflection that I've realized of late is that it is basically an admission of sorts on the GOP's part.
Either an admission that they know it's true but that we shouldn't care because it's been done before.
Or, they're admitting that their holier-than-thou nonsense over the years is BS as they're more than willing to accept behavior among their ranks on par with that of the Godless heathen Democrats.

#26 | POSTED BY JPW

To me, that comes across as one-sided. I 100% agree with the hypocrisy and blind-eye that the GOP has had for sexual predators within their ranks (although Moore seems to be a terrible example of this). But, you seem to be giving Dems a complete pass for similar behavior, or worse. Some clarification would be appreciated. I suspect what I construed isn't where you actually are on this...

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 11:01 PM | Reply

Since apparently this needs to be said, sexually harassing trashy women isn't as bad as sexually harassing underage girls.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 11:03 PM | Reply

I didn't edit your quote, I simply pointed out an egregious lie you believe in, and one responsible for many miscarriages of justice.
You'd think that might bother your precious little "law and order" head, but nooooooooooo.
Of course, a lot of right-wingers believe the lie just like you do, so you've got plenty of "law and order" company.

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY A

So, I'm having an adult discussion with Beach, Clown and JPW and then I have to try and filter out your immature crap.

Please go burn some insects with a magnifying glass and leave the adults alone.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 11:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But, you seem to be giving Dems a complete pass for similar behavior, or worse."

The accusations against Bill Clinton aren't as credible as the accusations against Roy Moore.

Clinton's more like Clarence Thomas. Who "we" gave a "complete pass" to.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Later all!

I'm going to have a late-night beverage and then sink into my bed.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 11:06 PM | Reply

"I'm having an adult discussion with Beach, Clown and JPW"

You're reciting party-line lies in your so-called discussion.
And I'm calling out our --------.
And here we are.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 11:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- As it pertains to the Clinton scandals, I lived through all of it. That's not exactly the same as reading about it after-the-fact.

I lived through Reagan, and rwingers keep telling me he was tax cutting genius and a Great American Hero... you know, instead of that he raised taxes 11 times to make up for those cuts and sold out his country to win an election.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-15 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh yes, ladies, I'm really bein' sincere
Cause in a 69 my humpty nose'll tickle your rear

--St Thomas Aquinas

#39 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-11-15 11:14 PM | Reply

Jeff, it's 20 years later. We cannot compare Moore and Clinton unless we ignore that Clinton was judged in a completely different time when we were more ignorant than we should be today. Everytime anyone asks "what about Clinton(?)" the unspoken answer is "Precisely." If not for learning from the mistakes excused in Clinton's defense we couldn't be more certain that Moore's accusers are almost certainly telling the truth, namely because of his established patterns of behavior, just like Bill Clinton's!

That's the only important aspect of Clinton's legacy when comparing the transgressions of two different politicians being judged in two different eras of time. And Clinton did not wrap himself in religion, the American flag and obviously false piousness to defend himself.

In actuality, far too few are connecting the obvious dots of the Moore scandal. So many Republicans are in agreement that the women accusing Moore of improper behavior should be believed on the veracity of their individual stories, how long is it going to take until the conversation commences in earnest about why these same people don't feel the identical way about the President's 17 on-record accusers, since he's already admitted in his own voice that he sexually assaulted women as a matter of his own predation?

#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-15 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This is the thread where jeffy reliably transitions from "considering 8 years of OBAMA" to "what about (insert Clinton, OBAMA, any democrat here)" as the basis of every argument

#41 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-15 11:17 PM | Reply

Speaking of living through Reagan, selling arms to the Ayatollah is worse than any sex scandal could possibly be.

Well, maybe Pizzagate would be that bad.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 11:18 PM | Reply

Jeff, it's 20 years later. We cannot compare Moore and Clinton unless we ignore that Clinton was judged in a completely different time when we were more ignorant than we should be today. Everytime anyone asks "what about Clinton(?)" the unspoken answer is "Precisely." If not for learning from the mistakes excused in Clinton's defense we couldn't be more certain that Moore's accusers are almost certainly telling the truth, namely because of his established patterns of behavior, just like Bill Clinton's!

We weren't less ignorant, Tony. We might have been a bit more tolerant, but I don't buy the ignorance argument.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 11:19 PM | Reply

But, you seem to be giving Dems a complete pass for similar behavior, or worse. Some clarification would be appreciated. I suspect what I construed isn't where you actually are on this...

No, it's not a pass.

What Moore did is independent from what Clinton did. As such, Clinton is irrelevant in the conversation, unless the support of Clinton then somehow justifies support of Moore now. Which in the end is still supporting a sexual predator.

However, if the conversation turns to sexual misconduct by our political leaders then by all means skewer Clinton right not to Moore.

But to anyone with a shred of principles, forcing a discussion of Clinton so as not to be "one-sided" looks and smells like hackery.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-15 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

n actuality, far too few are connecting the obvious dots of the Moore scandal. So many Republicans are in agreement that the women accusing Moore of improper behavior should be believed on the veracity of their individual stories, how long is it going to take until the conversation commences in earnest about why these same people don't feel the identical way about the President's 17 on-record accusers, since he's already admitted in his own voice that he sexually assaulted women as a matter of his own predation?

#40 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

You are a Notre Dame fan and a Pacers fan, Which source me and I really shouldn't do this but decorum and our personal history demands I should....Make "Weinstein-ism" a term comparable to "McCarthyism" but with the opposite effect - Let's eschew tribalism and go after predators, but do so in a reasonable manner - no mob rule, no witch trials, no Scopes Monkey trials, you get the point...

Whilst I see the danger in "Me Too" mob-rule witch-hunts, that is not the same as holding people like Donald Trump, Jerry Sundasky, Harvey Weinstien, etc accountable.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 11:26 PM | Reply

Weird sentence, seeing as noone is holding Trump accountable for anything.
Even Clinton was held to more account; specifically, impeachment.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 11:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Jeff, I consider it ignorant when anyone immediately questions someone claiming any form of improper conduct from someone in a position of power over the accuser. I'm not saying any and all accusations should be believed in every circumstance, I'm saying today we admit that otherwise non-descript, everyday people often remain quiet when faced with improper conduct by those who are famous or powerful because of the common knowledge they not only won't be believed, they are likely going to be publicly derided by the accused and his/her defenders.

The problem with so many people in Alabama willing to believe Moore's protestations today is evidence of the very ignorance I speak to. Every one of Moore's defenders have never uttered a single word in defense of Hillary Clinton being allowed her day in court before condemning her for crimes she has never been convicted for. There won't be any legal setting for the parties to go under oath and testify their stories, but the pattern set by the independent stories of (so far) nine different women and their wholly human feelings that Roy Moore was someone they learned by experience to avoid further contact with displays the vein of ignorance rampant among the true believers who wouldn't even believe the women if Roy himself confessed. They's then blame establishment Republicans forcing Moore to confess in order to save their face and political agenda.

And that idea (if indeed it were held) is ignorant imo.

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-15 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Whilst"

What a Nigel!

#48 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-15 11:35 PM | Reply

I believe all the accusers. I hope any congresscritters that get snared in the weeks ahead, will do the right thing too.

#49 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-15 11:45 PM | Reply

Donald Trump bragged about walking into the dressing room of teenage girls.

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-11-15 11:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.cracked.com

watch this video which presents facts about rape and rape victims.

only 3% of rape accusations are false.

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-11-15 11:56 PM | Reply

#51 is a thing we are less ignorant about today than we were 20 years ago.

We're still pretty ignorant, but less so.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 11:58 PM | Reply

But what about Bill Clinton!?
~Usual Suspects. - #15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-15 10:06 PM

Why people bring up Clinton when Moore is accused of sexually harassing 14 - 16 yr old girls is... well, it's just rwing hackery, obfuscation, and deflection. - #21 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-15 10:42 PM

I'm not sure that ClownShack would appreciate being called rwing, Corky.

#53 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-16 09:25 AM | Reply

But what about Bill Clinton!?
~Usual Suspects. - #15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-15 10:06 PM
Why people bring up Clinton when Moore is accused of sexually harassing 14 - 16 yr old girls is... well, it's just rwing hackery, obfuscation, and deflection. - #21 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-15 10:42 PM
I'm not sure that ClownShack would appreciate being called rwing, Corky.

#53 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Reading comprehension not your strong suit, eh?

#54 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-16 10:39 AM | Reply

Donald Trump bragged about walking into the dressing room of teenage girls.

#50 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Yes but again, he is a Republican. So its okay.

#55 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-16 10:40 AM | Reply

How could be have any support? Jeebus.

#3 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Have you ever been to Alabama? It is the heart of the Bible Belt. If you don't know what that means and you somehow ended up up there with California plates on your car and you happen to be a person of color will get to find out what "You're in a heap of trouble boy" really means.

#56 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-16 10:58 AM | Reply

Anyone ready to see a Democrat elected Senator in Alabama!?

#57 | Posted by Tor at 2017-11-16 12:50 PM | Reply

I do not believe a Democrat can win in Alabama. Not even against Moore. Nobody with a (D) after their name is going to win the Alabama senate seat. So... I think Moore at some point in the next week or so drops out of the race. Prove me wrong...

#58 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-11-16 03:16 PM | Reply

You're going straight to Hell, MadScientist.

-- Jesus Christ (The Lord)

#59 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 03:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Even Clinton was held to more account; specifically, impeachment.

#46 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Not held to account by Democrats. All 45 Democrat Senators voted Not Guilty.

en.wikipedia.org

#60 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 04:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"All 45 Democrat Senators voted Not Guilty." - #60 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 04:00 PM

That was the trial in the Senate.

The House impeached Clinton.

And in the House...

Five Democrats (Virgil Goode of Virginia, Ralph Hall of Texas, Paul McHale of Pennsylvania, Charles Stenholm of Texas and Gene Taylor of Mississippi) voted in favor of three of the four articles of impeachment, but only Taylor voted for the abuse of power charge.

#61 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-16 04:11 PM | Reply

Right, so he was tried. That's being held to account.

Which remains more accountabity than Trump or Moore have faced.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-16 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#61 Yeah. I read the Wiki before I posted it, Einstein. But thanks.

So now being tried is being held to account.

Got it.

#63 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 04:44 PM | Reply

something something Moore should have had his brother take a picture of him in the act?

#64 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 04:48 PM | Reply

"So now being tried is being held to account." - #63 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 04:44 PM

Happens all the time, every day, all across this country.

Defendants charged with all kinds of crimes are put on trial, being held to account for their actions.

Sometimes (most times, I suspect), they're found guilty.

Other times they're found not guilty.

It is called being held to account.

You seem to think being held to account is a fair trial followed by a first class hanging.

Not the way it works these days (or shouldn't be the way it works).

"Got it."

Doubt it.

#65 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-16 04:49 PM | Reply

"something something Moore should have had his brother take a picture of him in the act?" - #64 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 04:48 PM

Sounds very Alabamaish.

Maybe throw in a sister or two to round out the act.

#66 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-16 04:51 PM | Reply

"So now being tried is being held to account."

Always has been.

There are other ways of holding someone accountable, like tarring and feathering them and running then out of town on a rail.

Or disbarring them, which also happened to Clinton.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-16 04:52 PM | Reply

Right, so he was tried. That's being held to account.

Isn't it?

Would you have preferred to hang him before he was tried?

Or maybe you were just going to hang him no matter what but at least wait after he was tried.

That also sounds very Alabamish.

#68 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-16 05:43 PM | Reply

Sounds very Alabamaish.
Maybe throw in a sister or two to round out the act.

#66 | POSTED BY HANS

Franken and his brother the photographer are from Minnesota, Silly!

#69 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 06:23 PM | Reply

So, you're saying George Zimmerman was "held to account" now, since he was put on trial. How about Officer Darren Wilson, what with the grand jury finding overwhelming evidence of him being not guilty?

Democrats and their equivalencies. Fun.

#70 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 06:26 PM | Reply

Maybe you were just going to hang him no matter what but at least wait after he was tried.

#68 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

D-boy -- you're not reading my stuff! It hurts mine heart.

I'm the guy on the thread that wants to examine the evidence before making up my mind.

#71 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 06:29 PM | Reply

"Franken and his brother the photographer are from Minnesota..." - #69 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 06:23 PM

"something something Moore should have had his brother take a picture of him in the act?" - #64 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-11-16 04:48 PM
What does Minnesota have to do with Moore and his brother?

Silly.

#72 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-16 07:16 PM | Reply

I'm the guy on the thread that wants to examine the evidence before making up my mind.

#71 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You're the guy on the thread who said "So now being tried is being held to account.
Got it."

Apparently you don't "got it".

It hurts my heart to see you act like such a dotard. I was hoping we could debate again whether Obama was a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago Law School before you went completely senile.

Those were Fun times!

#73 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-16 08:17 PM | Reply

Comparisons of Moore to Bill Clinton (with respect to the Lewinsky affair, at least) are not apt. Lewinsky is on record as having told friends, before she even went to DC, that she wanted to earn her "Presidential Knee Pads". By her own admission, she "flashed her thong" at Clinton. She was a 21 year-old ADULT who initiated the contact. Not true of Moore. Paula Jones was recruited by right-wing millionaires whose agenda was to "get Clinton". Also, culture (fortunately) changes over time. "Mad Men" behavior in the 1950's and 60's (before the "women's revolution") was not viewed the same way as we do today, but change does take time.

#74 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-11-16 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

culture (fortunately) changes over time....
#74 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Culture hasn't changed all that much since the '90's as it pertains toward views of sexual harassment. Even though the Lewinsky thing was consensual, it was still harassment even during the time period in which it happened both in terms of the relations happening between a boss and subordinate and the fact that the subordinate's peers would have a case if they alleged inferior treatment from their boss...

#75 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-16 10:47 PM | Reply

"Even though the Lewinsky thing was consensual, it was still harassment"

Are you not bothering to differentiate legal harassment from illegal harassment?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-16 11:22 PM | Reply

I'm mildly curious how consensual harassment is defined.

#77 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-16 11:27 PM | Reply

#77 Try this one on for size:

"He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK' so he would stop badgering me."

"'OK'"

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-17 12:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, like "they let you do it."

#79 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-17 09:11 AM | Reply

@JoyceWhiteVance on Twitter:

Roy Moore has now been thrown out of 3 courts. The Alabama Supreme Court in 2003. The Alabama Supreme Court in 2016. And the Gadsden Mall Food Court in 1980.

#80 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-17 12:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

80

FF

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2017-11-17 12:07 PM | Reply

I would say they should be ashamed that it is this close but I don't think they have any shame.

#82 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-17 12:24 PM | Reply

I'm mildly curious how consensual harassment is defined.

#77 | Posted by REDIAL

Depends on how good looking the guy is.

#83 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-17 01:15 PM | Reply

Even though the Lewinsky thing was consensual, it was still harassment even during the time period in which it happened both in terms of the relations happening between a boss and subordinate and the fact that the subordinate's peers would have a case if they alleged inferior treatment from their boss...

#75 | Posted by JeffJ

2 people who wanted to have sex with each other had sex. Who exactly was HARASSED in that encounter?

#84 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-17 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"(I'm 47 BTW).
#28 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

I agree with your wife. You seem more like you're in your late 60s.

#85 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-11-17 07:25 PM | Reply

Yeah, like "they let you do it."

^
Yes, like that.

But, that's Trump saying they let him do stuff to them.
He's putting those words in their mouth, so to speak.
And, he could be mistaken about that.

In this case, we have the person Franken did stuff to, saying she let him do it.
It seems less likely she'd be mistaken about that.

Thanks for reading and understanding.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-17 09:16 PM | Reply

That's not exactly the same as reading about it after-the-fact.
#28 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Point being, both Clowny and myself lived through just as you did, albeit with a more naive outlook. However, it's clear (at least from my standpoint) that we too habe just as much perspective on the matter as you.

#87 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-17 09:32 PM | Reply

I lived through it and I'm Marco Rubio's age, do I get to think JeffJ is full of it?

Yes I do.

Carry on.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-17 09:35 PM | Reply

Carry on.
#88 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Thanks. Was waiting for SOMEONE'S approval to do so.

#89 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-17 10:09 PM | Reply

2 people who wanted to have sex with each other had sex. Who exactly was HARASSED in that encounter?

#84 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Are you joking?

Well, for starters she was a subordinate at work. Also, every other female subordinate who might have been aware of the sexual liaisons may have felt that treatment from the boss was dependent upon a willingness to smoke Bubba's pole.

You can't possibly be this naive.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-17 10:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How would those other women think that when the relationship was kept secret?

I don't really think it's a crime on the part of the boss when an intern decides to have sex with the boss, and the boss goes along with it.

It's not a good idea, but I'm not sure it's harassment in and of itself.

Who actually ended up getting harassed? Bill Clinton. By Ken Starr, courtesy of Linda Tripp.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-17 10:44 PM | Reply

How would those other women think that when the relationship was kept secret?

First off, in spite of attempts to keep it secret, some women are pretty perceptive.

I don't really think it's a crime on the part of the boss when an intern decides to have sex with the boss, and the boss goes along with it.

Legal "Crime"? Probably not. Major workplace "crime"? Absolutely.

#92 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-17 10:53 PM | Reply

Running out of Mini-Moos is a Major Workplace Crime too.
Find a better argument.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-17 11:36 PM | Reply

"First off, in spite of attempts to keep it secret, some women are pretty perceptive."

In that case, they're probably perceptive enough to figure out Monica Lewinsky came to D.C. just to be with Bill Clinton, but that Janet Reno and Madeleine Albright and Donna Shalala and Jocelyn Elders didn't have to suck a dick to get a meaningful job in the administration.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-17 11:41 PM | Reply

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