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Thursday, November 16, 2017

In the wake of last year's bitterly contested presidential election, "politically divided" families cut their Thanksgiving celebrations short by an average of 20 to 30 minutes. Republican voters were more likely to bail on Democratic families than vice-versa. And reductions in family time were steeper in areas that saw more political ads. Those are among the conclusions of a new working paper by M. Keith Chen of UCLA and Ryne Rohla of Washington State University. The paper matches location data from 10 million smartphones to precinct-level voting data for the 2016 election, painting a detailed portrait of how people from predominantly Democratic and Republican areas spent their 2016 Thanksgiving holiday.

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"Republican voters were more likely to bail on Democratic families than vice-versa"

Values!

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-15 12:57 PM | Reply

Bigger question: how the hell did two shmucks from universities get locating data for 10 million smartphones?

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-15 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember the old adage "never discuss politics or religion in mixed company". I apply this also to kinfolk and in-laws.

#3 | Posted by shane at 2017-11-15 01:08 PM | Reply

Republicans become infuriated when Democrats bring up facts that prove the things they are saying. I've begun to say to relatives when they bring up politics that I will only listen to them if they are willing to listen to the facts I bring up which refutes their ideas. They usually decide not to discuss politics with me.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-15 01:10 PM | Reply

That data came from a service called Safegraph

it says so right in the article.

Founded in 2016, SafeGraph's goal is to "be the most accurate record of truth for understanding human movement".

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-15 01:14 PM | Reply

#4 Either that or the conservatives are just tired of their shrill, whiny liberal relatives who sit at the Thanksgiving feast and start complaining that there's meat on the table, that the pumpkin pie isn't organic, that the coffee isn't conflict free, and the stuffing has too much gluten....who start in on the family about having so much food when so many people are starving in Somalia, who rail against football as being just another example of violent patriarchy asserting itself, yada yada yada....

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-15 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Values!

#1 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2017-11-15 12:57 PM | REPLY

Didn't read the article. Republicans leave early. Democrats don't bother to show up.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-15 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not me. I enjoy showing them where their stupid political opinions have gotten us. This year is especially gonna be fun, since i have one cousin who thinks Roy Moore is the second coming of Christ, and who loves Trump.

The last thing I heard from her, before she went into hiding, was, 'You just wait till Trump drains the swamp.'

I am bristling with anticipation. I may go early and stay late.

#8 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-15 01:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No. Politics is ruining EVERYTHING.

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-15 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kudzu, you need some real conflict in your life. Manufacturing it out of boredom isn't healthy lol.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-15 01:47 PM | Reply

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Bigger question: how the hell did two shmucks from universities get locating data for 10 million smartphones?

#2 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2017-11-15 01:00 PM | REPLY | FLAG

FBI?

#11 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-15 01:47 PM | Reply

I don't think Mustang really even knows any liberals. He just posts the stereotypes that he is fed by right wing media.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-15 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Republicans leave early. Democrats don't bother to show up"

then how do Imaginary whiny liberal relatives who don't sit at the Thanksgiving feast and start complaining that there's meat on the table, that the pumpkin pie isn't organic, that the coffee isn't conflict free, and the stuffing has too much gluten....who start in on the family about having so much food when so many people are starving in Somalia, who rail against football as being just another example of violent patriarchy asserting itself ------ give mookie the sadz

#13 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-15 01:49 PM | Reply

#12 I did a mashup of my two oldest kids and my sister-in-law. I have lived that pain.

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-15 01:52 PM | Reply

#13 Nice job, Sniffles. You used 4 of your own words. Ask your mom for a cookie.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-15 01:53 PM | Reply

then how

#13 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2017-11-15 01:49 PM | FLAG:

Well, you could read the article and find out. Data science is challenging, but the answer you seek is there.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-15 01:54 PM | Reply

"I did a mashup of my two oldest kids"

otherwise known in "conservative" circles as --- "Someone Else's Fault"

#17 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-15 02:29 PM | Reply

#17 That post is proof that you shouldn't be allowed to type without parental supervision. Where's your mom? Did she bring you that cookie?

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-15 02:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#18

airs grotesque family dysfunction and openly whines about own kids, then decides that someone else needs "supervision"
it is like verbally sparing with a prepubescent teen a really dumb one at that

#19 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-15 02:53 PM | Reply

#19 I AM sparring with a prepubescent teen, and a really dumb one at that. Ask your mom for a mirror.

#20 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-15 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am bristling with anticipation. I may go early and stay late.
#8 | POSTED BY KUDZU

LOL make sure to have an extra drink or two as well to really lower inhibitions and liven things up.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-15 09:32 PM | Reply

#12 I did a mashup of my two oldest kids

So how is it that "Mr. Independent, Did it all Myself, Daniel Boon ain't got sheeeeiiiittt on me" Mustang raised two mooching commie brats?

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-15 09:35 PM | Reply

#22 They were raised by my mooching commie ex-wife, because in California, an unemployed alcoholic dropout mom beats an employed college-educated dad every day of the week.

To correct you: they're neither commies nor brats. They're vegan tree-hugging social justice warriors with serious video game addictions.

#23 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-16 07:36 AM | Reply

Actually, that was meant to be joking. Forgot the :)

Sounds like a crappy situation.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-16 10:05 AM | Reply

No worries. It was what it was and it sucked at the time. On the up side, both of them have reached a point in their life where they are mature enough to look back and use hindsight to reassess their childhood and they've come to the realization that their mom is narcissistic, stupid and more than just a little bit ------. Give them another 10 years and they'll unlearn all the bad financial habits they learned from her, too.

#25 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-16 10:19 AM | Reply

I'm lucky most of my family disowned me which will make Thanksgiving dinner a breeze this year.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-16 10:25 AM | Reply

#26. Most depressing post I've ever read. Hop in the car and head to Michigan for Thanksgiving. JeffJ will have all kinds of BBQ going.

#27 | Posted by JimDuncan at 2017-11-16 12:38 PM | Reply

#26. Most depressing post I've ever read. Hop in the car and head to Michigan for Thanksgiving. JeffJ will have all kinds of BBQ going.

#27 | POSTED BY JIMDUNCAN

This year we celebrate with my wife's side of the family.

A couple of years ago we bought her mom a charcoal grill for Mother's Day, so I could bring my accessories over and cook her favorite things at her place.

So, while she will have a turkey roasting in the oven, I'll have a turkey cooking on a rotisserie in the charcoal grill with a chunk of apple wood for some nice smoke seasoning.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-16 05:03 PM | Reply

JeffJ, I have four different BBQs. Eggs, Webbers, custom made, etc. I spent a year in Kalamazoo years ago - great people. Would love to hook up and BBQ - with Laura, Danni, LOD and all others.

#29 | Posted by JimDuncan at 2017-11-16 07:35 PM | Reply

Quite the arsenal, Duncan.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-16 08:27 PM | Reply

Most depressing post I've ever read.

#27 | POSTED BY JIMDUNCAN

Not trying to argue, but I don't think it's depressing at all.

I also have very little family. Of course I didn't plan it that way, it's just how it worked out.

The first rule in life is be yourself, and I'm very happy for it -- holidays or no holidays.

#31 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-11-16 09:02 PM | Reply

I've given up on reasoning with certain relatives and have moved on to open mockery when they try to bring certain subjects up. Expressing that the intellectual inadequacies of the gene pool that spawned me has me concerned for my own cognitive abilities as I get older is a common theme that usually gets some laughs.

Probably won't be a big issue this year because we had one family member bring everyone closer by doing something absolutely horrible (the culprit won't be attending).

#32 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-17 10:00 AM | Reply

Well according to center left doctrine, everything is political, even Thanksgiving ....

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-17 10:09 AM | Reply

According to you, that is.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-17 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The one think I know about these discussion about politics at the dinner table, the conservatives cannot support their ideas with facts and they truly resent the fact that I can support my views with facts. I would love to debate one of them this Thanksgiving about the tax cuts the GOP is proposing right now and their claims that it will bring us growth when we have plenty of history to view which says that it is just another Republican lie.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-17 10:38 AM | Reply

"Well according to center left doctrine, everything is political, even Thanksgiving ...."

I have right wing relatives who think it is their God given right to talk their political views but become angry if anyone even tries to argue the opposite views. They become so agitated that they have been asked to leave many family gatherings. You statement is baloney.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-17 10:40 AM | Reply

Actually Danni,

You are pretty much baloney. Most liberals who come to my family's thanksgiving dinners cant support the lies democrats and progressives have fed them. Once I give them some truth, they leave pissed off knowing their ideology is wrong.

They get angry when I tell them the truth, but I don't care. Even you know I'm right a lot of the time and I've been arguing with you for years.

#37 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-17 01:06 PM | Reply

You are pretty much baloney. Most liberals who come to my family's thanksgiving dinners cant support the lies democrats and progressives have fed them. Once I give them some truth, they leave pissed off knowing their ideology is wrong.

They get angry when I tell them the truth, but I don't care. Even you know I'm right a lot of the time and I've been arguing with you for years.

Posted by boaz at 2017-11-17 01:06 PM | Reply

Delusions of grandeur I see.

#38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-17 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


From the cited article:

... That data came from a service called Safegraph, which collected over 17 trillion location markers from 10 million smartphones in November 2016. Chen and Rohla used this data to identify individuals' home locations, which they defined as the places people were most often located between the hours of 1 and 4 a.m.

They also looked at where these people were located between the hours of 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day. ...



Individual location data from 10 million smartphones knowing, e.g., where you are sleeping.

Am I the only one who finds this level of granularity creepy?

 

#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-17 01:46 PM | Reply

Turn off the TV, turn on the stereo to cook by and enjoy your turkey dinner. Forget Trump for a day. Enjoy your family and friends. There's nothing stopping that, except your own will power. Try keeping the TV off for our nations best holiday, because its 4 days, for most of us. Then, if you can't put politics aside anymore, fight for a four day holiday for all of us. Four days without stores with plenty of food to eat. Imagine that.

#40 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-17 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In the wake of last year's bitterly contested presidential election, "politically divided" families cut their Thanksgiving celebrations short by an average of 20 to 30 minutes."

Sounds like an improvement. Now if we can just replace that nasty turkey with some Mexican food, Thanksgiving will be a holiday worth caring about.

#41 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-17 01:57 PM | Reply

"Most liberals who come to my family's thanksgiving dinners cant support the lies democrats and progressives have fed them." - #37 | Posted by pfc. boaz at 2017-11-17 01:06 PM

If it weren't for your fantasy life, pfc. boaz, you'd have no life at all.

#42 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-17 03:18 PM | Reply

"Would love to hook up ... with Laura, Danni, LOD and all others." - #29 | Posted by JimDuncan at 2017-11-16 07:35 PM

There was, back in the 2005/2006 time period, I believe, an active plan to do just that, facilitated by former Drudge Retort poster, Lisa, with Bronson MO chosen for the festivities.

It never happened, for various reasons, and that was probably for the best. For, no doubt, one of two things would have been the result of such a gathering:

1. Everyone would meet up and once their Drudge nom de plume was discovered all hell would break loose with carnage and so forth; or,

2. Everyone would meet up and once their Drudge nom de plume was discovered everyone would laugh over our on-line escapades and we'd end up leaving as friends.

Either way, the Drudge Retort would have probably gone the way of the dodo bird after that.

#43 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-17 03:26 PM | Reply

Branson, MO...not Bronson.

and I remember that.

I don't know what would happen if we all gathered together in person. Maybe you're right....but it could be fun....or not. LOL

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2017-11-17 03:31 PM | Reply

"Branson, MO...not Bronson." - #44 | Posted by eberly at 2017-11-17 03:31 PM

Correct, Eb. I'll blame the mistake on Charles, Bronson, not Branson.

"...but it could be fun....or not."

:-)

#45 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-17 03:37 PM | Reply

Branson is pretty cool....it's Vegas, with a health side of Jesus.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2017-11-17 03:56 PM | Reply

Once I give them some truth, they leave pissed off knowing their ideology is wrong.

LOL oh ---- LOL too ------- funny LOL

Sorry, dude. That's gotta be the funniest holiday joke I've ever heard.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-17 11:59 PM | Reply

Even you know I'm right a lot of the time

Nope. You're always full of ---- in a childish, caricature sort of way. Like a kid trying to talk to adults about a serious, adult topic. But worse. Usually.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-18 12:01 AM | Reply

I don't know what would happen if we all gathered together in person.

We'd realize we're all actual people and would refrain from kicking each other in the nuts all day.

Then the site would go under and we'd have to move on or get real lives.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-18 12:03 AM | Reply

According to you, that is.
#34 | POSTED BY JPW

No, just reading Dirkistain and his fellow DR cohorts, its not difficult to read actually. But I understand your still angry over the Hillary loss, its hard to see straight.

It was quite a scene, I had respect for you, but after that I realized your just an angry individual, even looking at your posts on this thread I can see you are someone few get along with. ...

#50 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-18 12:07 AM | Reply

No, just reading Dirkistain and his fellow DR cohorts, its not difficult to read actually.

I wouldn't call Dirk the "center left". What others do you have in mind, since I'd probably not consider them center left, either, as I'm pretty much center left and find Dirk (and possibly the others) ridiculous.

But I understand your still angry over the Hillary loss, its hard to see straight.

Do my posts on Hillary threads really give you the impression that I'm angry she lost? Damn man, those threads are pretty much me arguing with the likes of Brucebanner and Corky precisely because I thought Hillary was only palatable as POTUS because the only other option of Trump.

I had respect for you, but after that I realized your just an angry individual, even looking at your posts on this thread I can see you are someone few get along with. ...

Two things:

A. I'm a bit abrasive on here because I see this site as a gladiator arena of sorts. If you're not kicking your opponent in the nads you're not doing the DR right.

B. I, for the most part, tailor my reactions and demeanor towards those whom I'm interacting with. There are multiple posters here who I address cordially and respectfully because their own demeanor warrants it. If your posts come across as one off, drive by cheap shots I'm not going to spend much time addressing them seriously.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-18 12:19 AM | Reply

What's hard to understand is rwingers who have defended traitors and feebs like Nixon, Reagan, GW, and now Trump for so many decades. You'd think they would have at least learned something from the experience.

Mackris at least has reason to vote for Republicans; they offer to take money from poor kids and give it to her. Poor Republicans don't even have that, they just vote to try to keep the scraps that 1 percenters leave out for them away from minorities.

www.drudge.com

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-18 12:38 AM | Reply

I wouldn't call Dirk the "center left". What others do you have in mind, since I'd probably not consider them center left, either, as I'm pretty much center left and find Dirk (and possibly the others) ridiculous.

#51 | POSTED BY JPW

I could have written this.

I've always regarded you as center-left.

I would never put Dirk into that characterization and I also find that he and his cohorts are, to say the least, ridiculous.

Changing gears a bit...I hate how polarized things are becoming. Don't fall into a certain orthodoxy on most issues - HERETIC!

The tribal nastiness makes me appreciate my family members and friends more and more. It's a diverse group overall yet we all recognize that one's personal politics does not define one's character.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-18 12:54 AM | Reply

@ Boazo, you wouldnt know the truth if it came and bit you on your big old behind!

The sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.

#54 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-11-18 05:00 AM | Reply

Hardest thing ever for me was keeping a straight face over the 4th when my mom said about Trump "He really cares about people" That was over the whole Charlie Gard stuff.

I love her to death but if you want to know what fox news wants people to think just spend some time with her.

I work on fireplaces, my wife works retail. Thanksgiving is great in that it's one of the few days we have off together this time of year but it's just one day and we are both back to the grind Friday. Christmas is better because I take 2 days and if my wife has to work it is always a short day Christmas eve.

#55 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-11-18 06:26 AM | Reply

For the last 21 years we live in an excellent neighborhood where neighbors get along and help each other regardless of party affiliation.

I noticed in the last year that obvious trumpers are less talkative and keep to themselves more, like they are hiding.

I attribute it to being embarrassed for getting what they wished for, and don't like it. (Buyers remorse)

#56 | Posted by bat4255 at 2017-11-18 07:44 AM | Reply

Politics is Ruining Thanksgiving

That's only part of the story.

The real story is conservative media made half of americans into insufferable morons who live in an alternate mental reality constructed of lies and propaganda. When non morons are in close quarters with these morons and hear their insane incorrect theories and proposals for the world, the non morons get justifiably angry.

Fox news ruined a large portion of americans, which ruined politics, which ruined thanksgiving.

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-18 09:49 PM | Reply

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