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Tuesday, November 14, 2017

Bill Clinton: A Reckoning

Feminists saved the 42nd president of the United States in the 1990s. They were on the wrong side of history; is it finally time to make things right?

The most remarkable thing about the current tide of sexual assault and harassment accusations is not their number. History instructs us that for countless men, the ability to possess women sexually is not a spoil of power; it's the point of power. What's remarkable is that these women are being believed.

Believing women about assault -- even if they lack the means to prove their accounts -- as well as an understanding that female employees don't constitute part of a male boss's benefits package, were the galvanizing consequences of Anita Hill's historic allegations against Clarence Thomas in 1991.

Even though Thomas successfully, and perhaps rightly, survived Hill's accusations, something in the country had changed about women and work and the range of things men could do to them there.

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The notorious 1998 New York Times op-ed by Gloria Steinem must surely stand as one of the most regretted public actions of her life. It slut-shamed, victim-blamed, and age-shamed; it urged compassion for and gratitude to the man the women accused. Moreover (never write an op-ed in a hurry; you'll accidentally say what you really believe), it characterized contemporary feminism as a weaponized auxiliary of the Democratic Party.

Called "Feminists and the Clinton Question," it was written in March of 1998, when Paula Jones's harassment claim was working its way through court. It was printed seven days after Kathleen Willey's blockbuster 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley. If all the various allegations were true, wrote Steinem, Bill Clinton was "a candidate for sex addiction therapy." To her mind, the most "credible" accusations were those of Willey, whom she noted was "old enough to be Monica Lewinsky's mother." And then she wrote the fatal sentences that invalidated the new understanding of workplace sexual harassment as a moral and legal wrong: "Even if the allegations are true, the President is not guilty of sexual harassment. He is accused of having made a gross, dumb, and reckless pass at a supporter during a low point in her life. She pushed him away, she said, and it never happened again. In other words, President Clinton took ‘no' for an answer."

When even The Atlantic, staunch defenders of everything Clinton, calls out Bubba for what he did, you know the tide has truly turned.

Hopefully both of the Clinton and Trump take this as a sign that they should acknowledge the sordid past and try to make amends for their past actions.

They won't, for mostly legal reasons, but one can hope.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-14 10:24 AM | Reply

I read this ! ! ! !

The difference was that Bill has been investigated inside out for decades.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-14 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bill aint worried.
He knows Epstein dosnt have a extradition treaty between his pedo island and the U.S.

#3 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2017-11-14 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why are we talking about Bill Clinton....17 years later?

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-14 11:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Caitlin Flanagan, perhaps taking up Hayes's challenge, urged liberals to remember some of what Clinton is said to have done. "Kathleen Willey said that she met him in the Oval Office for personal and professional advice and that he groped her, rubbed his erect penis on her, and pushed her hand to his crotch," Flanagan wrote, recalling the charges Willey first made in 1998. It sounds both familiar and plausible. But Willey also accused the Clintons of having her husband and then her cat killed. Must we believe that, too?"

-NYT

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-14 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why are we talking about Bill Clinton...

To distract.

Trump doesn't need to admit anything.

Roy Moore's child predation is sanctioned by the Bible.

But Bill Clinton. He's a democrat. So he must come clean.

Now Republicans have a deflection.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-14 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"Similarly, there are reasons to be at least unsure about Paula Jones's claim that Clinton exposed himself to her and demanded oral sex. Jones was championed by people engaged in what Ann Coulter once proudly called "a small, intricately knit right-wing conspiracy" to bring down the president. She described "distinguishing characteristics" of Clinton's penis that turned out to be inaccurate. Her sister insisted to Sidney Blumenthal, then a New Yorker writer, that she was lying. Should feminists have backed her anyway? I'm still not sure"

-NYT

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-14 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 Harvey Weinstein's earliest accusations date back to the late 1970's. Do you believe they are too old to matter?

www.usatoday.com

Bill Clinton's earliest accusations are from 1991 and 1993.

www.cbsnews.com

Does he get a solo pass or do we have to stand Bill up as the benchmark and say "Bill's sexual predation happened between 1991 and 1998, but we're giving him a pass and therefore we have to give a pass to every other sexual predator that operated during that time"? If that's the case, I'm sure Harvey would be glad to dismiss the claims of a dozen notable starlets.

#8 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-14 12:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Why are we talking about Bill Clinton....17 years later?"

Don't be obtuse.

For one thing he's still very much a public figure. He almost became the country's first First Gentleman in the last election.

For another, it illustrates the hypocrisy and partisan hackery of many people on both sides when it comes to sexual assault allegations. You can't fully go into the depths of the stupidity of Sean Hannity and his guests in defending Roy Moore without bringing up Clinton. And so on.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-11-14 12:18 PM | Reply

"Why are we talking about Bill Clinton....17 years later?"

Because the Russia Probe is uncomfortable for Dear Leader Trump.

And guess what? It's not the 1990's anymore.

The funny parts are rwingers becoming "FemiNazi" Snowflakes when it comes to Clinton, lmao!

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-14 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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The funny parts are rwingers becoming "FemiNazi" Snowflakes

It must be a tragi-comedy, because lwingers are in turn condoning Clinton's history of sexual assault, and that's not funny at all.

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-14 12:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

- condoning Clinton's history of sexual assault,

These unproven stories were dealt with at the time in that cultural milieu. They are only brought up now as Deflections for the lies and abuses of mostly current Republicans.

Bubba may have gotten too much of a pass at the time because of his "astounding" record of progressive accomplishments as the link article points out. And if some people feel like they gave him such a pass, they need to deal with it.

The rest is just making political hay.... which is why you are posting about it.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-14 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#12 Oh, I must have missed the part where the stories of Weinstein's and Roy Moore's assaults have been proven. Good to know. Not that proof matters when it comes to the Clintons - even when proof of a crime exists, you have to show they really intended to commit the crime.

Given that they are unproven, we'll just deal with them in this cultural milieu and avoid messy legal action, right?

#13 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-14 12:50 PM | Reply

"Bill Clinton's earliest accusations are from 1991 and 1993." - #8 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-14 12:12 PM

Accusations?

I wonder what the Drudge Retort's civil liberties lawyer would say about accusations?

"YOU know as well as anybody, we in this nation are innocent until proven guilty. NO one up until this point has been able to even give any evidence past innuendo and accusations." - #15 | Posted by pfc. boaz at 2017-11-13 09:13 PM
Looks like you might want to try a different tact.

#14 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-14 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why are we talking about Bill Clinton....17 years later?

#4 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I suppose for the same reasons we're talking about what Roy Moore may have done forty years ago. If any of the accusations are true, they are noteworthy.

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-11-14 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#14 On the contrary, I used that term on purpose. Accusations are exactly what scumbags like Weinstein and Moore have right now, but they have been tried and executed here in the Drudge Vigilante Corps. Trump was summarily lynched by Hillarybots during the election over the accusations of inappropriate contact. I just fail to see why anyone willing to throw a rope over a branch of the old cottonwood tree for Harvey, Hal or Donald suddenly gets a sense of righteous morality when it comes to Bill.

#16 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-14 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why are we talking about Bill Clinton....17 years later?
#4 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
I suppose for the same reasons we're talking about what Roy Moore may have done forty years ago. If any of the accusations are true, they are noteworthy.
#15 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Clinton was a pedophile and is running for Senate?

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-14 02:12 PM | Reply

Wipe it? Like with a cloth?

#18 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-14 02:14 PM | Reply

Why are we talking about Bill Clinton....17 years later?

#4 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-11-14 11:56 AM | REPLY |

He was almost our first lady as of last year. Very, very close.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-14 02:23 PM | Reply

"Trump was summarily lynched by Hillarybots during the election over the accusations of inappropriate contact." - #16 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-14 02:11 PM

Accusations of inappropriate contact?

"I moved on her like a bitch...I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. I just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything...Grab them by the -----. You can do anything." - Donald J. Trump
Most people believe that confessions trump accusations.

#20 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-14 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why are we talking about Bill Clinton....17 years later?

I think the better question is why are you desperate to not talk about Clinton...17 years later.

Which is kind of the point of the article.

Kudos to The Atlantic for publishing this article, I thought there was no way they would ever take on the Clinton Machine.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-14 03:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

These unproven stories were dealt with at the time in that cultural milieu. They are only brought up now as Deflections for the lies and abuses of mostly current Republicans.

Huh, didn't realize that The Atlantic was a forum for racists and misogynists...or maybe they are just tired of defending the indefensible.

Bubba may have gotten too much of a pass at the time because of his "astounding" record of progressive accomplishments as the link article points out. And if some people feel like they gave him such a pass, they need to deal with it.

You continue to give him a pass to this day, and haven't dealt with it. What's your excuse?

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-14 03:57 PM | Reply

- and haven't dealt with it.

Dealt with what? Has there been some new revelation or some new legal finding? Or is this just you rehashing unproven claims?

The rest is just making political hay.... which is why you are posting about it.
#12 | POSTED BY CORKY

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-14 04:01 PM | Reply

Dealt with what?

Your own advice:

"And if some people feel like they gave him such a pass, they need to deal with it."

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-14 04:04 PM | Reply

#20

Deflection noted.

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-14 04:05 PM | Reply

Rape coddlers.

#26 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-14 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Chair, that is exactly what Corky, Clown, Syco and Hans are doing, well said.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-14 04:14 PM | Reply

Wiener couldn't help himself and he is prison bound, for two years. But Moore's behavior is far worse and the evidence was so solid, many years ago, that he was banned from a shopping mall. Since that time grown women have shared their childhood experiences some as Republican adults.

Clarence Thomas does not deserve to be on the Supreme Court and neither does Gorsuch or Alito because they are partisan hacks and openly promote the political agenda of the Federalist Society. Even Roberts, who claims he has no recollection of membership, is listed as a member of the Washington chapter steering committee 1997–1998. These members have a secret political agenda which is to promote rule by the 1%. The Court has been stacked by Conservatives.

I believe Anita Hill, but her accusations against Thomas are not even close to the same league as Roy Moore or Bill Clinton. One could characterize Thomas's offense as distasteful sex jokes, used to explore Anita's attitudes. This is not the same level of offense as ripping the blouse off subordinates or minors, which is even worse. The behavior of Clinton and Moore is worse than Wiener.

#28 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-14 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Why are we talking about Bill Clinton...

Mostly because Babbles isn't here to bring up Ted Kennedy.

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-14 08:11 PM | Reply

NorthBayVikingGuy, I gave you a NW for the 1st and 3rd paragraphs.

Those parts were very well said.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-14 11:16 PM | Reply

#28 | Posted by bayviking at 20

Yes, good post

#31 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-11-15 02:15 AM | Reply

Let's face it, Bill Clinton's behavior was repulsive at best, and possibly criminal. He did pay a heavy price for the Lewinsky affair. Was it enough? I don't know.

It seems that America has only recently started to engage in the self-examination necessary to truly come to grips with its entrenched culture of male sexual harassment and abuse. From Catholic priests to Jerry Sandusky to Bill Cosby, any notion that the problem is limited to some small, easily identified niche of creepers has been dispelled.

#32 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-15 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Righto,

Bayviking is not Oliver Northguy. He's Nutcase.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-15 12:37 PM | Reply

He did pay a heavy price for the Lewinsky affair. Was it enough?

#32 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2017-11-15 11:39 AM | FLAG:

Damn, that price was so heavy. He looks like he's suffering right now. Must be the strain of high paid speeches and running such a world changing foundation.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-15 01:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#34 - that photo made me laugh

#35 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-15 01:39 PM | Reply

#33

Are you sure?

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-15 07:27 PM | Reply

If Bill Clinton were running for office today all of the old accusations would be relevant to today, as it is though, he isn't. I prefer to concentrate on the accusations of those who are running for offices which enable them to pass laws for the rest of us.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-15 08:03 PM | Reply

Come on Danni, even when his wife was running for POTUS, you all were still giving him a pass. If Hillary had won, you would be saying that he is First Husband and this is not relevant.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-15 08:14 PM | Reply

If Hillary had won, you would be saying that he is First Husband and this is not relevant.

At least it would allow the GOP to pretend they're morally superior.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-15 08:21 PM | Reply

Cbob is saying the only things that should matter in the present. Clinton's allegations were first made 20+ years ago when he was relevant politically. As far as I know there have been no others lodged since the Lewinsky affair, correct? Roy Moore's initial allegations are being lodged today at a time when he too is politically relevant. I would hope that in these last 20 years we've evolved somewhat as a society and learned from the mistakes that were made in defense of Clinton.

So, Moore should never be compared to Clinton because the public's knowledge and awareness of the predation innate to sexual harassment and assault is wholly different than it was in Clinton's time. We don't blame victims who visibly have nothing to gain from their confessions because we should understand how difficult it's historically been for the average woman to accuse a famous, powerful man and be believed. As we know from Clinton, the woman will instead be castigated as a liar or deviant for having sullied the perpetrator's character. It's 20 years later and what Clinton may have gotten away with then is all the reason we need to stop mentioning him and putting light on his transgressions when the predator dejure tries to play the same tunes today that everyone admits were bad notes back then.

If you want to bring up Bill Clinton, then bring him up as the example not to follow as it regards the lying and victim-shaming Roy Moore and his attack dogs are trying to get away with. And Clinton was never accused of illicit acts involving teenagers nor any woman younger than the state's age of consent as a 30+ year old adult. Those are the pertinent lessons regarding the legacy of Bill Clinton that are the most relevant in this moment.

#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-15 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Bill Clinton were running for office today all of the old accusations would be relevant to today, as it is though, he isn't.
#37 | POSTED BY DANNI

Cosby, Weinstein, Spacey, etc aren't running for office either, but their serial predator behavior needs to be exposed and dealt with nonetheless.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-15 11:06 PM | Reply

That hasn't happened?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-15 11:08 PM | Reply

"Cosby, Weinstein, Spacey, etc aren't running for office either, but their serial predator behavior needs to be exposed and dealt with nonetheless."

They aren't politicians but they WERE comedians, movie producers and movie actors. Now they aren't. Those guys have been humiliated, Cosby may even end up in jail and their careers are over. We just want the same for Roy Moore. Bill Clinton lost his license to practice law, was impeached, and had his reputation dragged through the mud. Roy Moore needs to experience the same.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-16 06:05 AM | Reply

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