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Saturday, November 11, 2017

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating an alleged plan in which former White House National Security Adviser Mike Flynn and his son, Michael Flynn Jr., were to be paid as much as $15 million in a plot to seize Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen and deliver him to Turkish officials, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing people familiar with the investigation. FBI agents have asked at least four people about a meeting in mid-December where Flynn and Turkish government representatives allegedly discussed capturing Gulen, who's in exile in the U.S., the Journal said, citing people it didn't identify who are familiar with the FBI's inquiries. At the time, President-elect Donald Trump already had announced that Flynn, a top campaign supporter and foreign policy aide, would serve as the White House national security adviser.


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The investigation into Flynn is part of Mueller's probe into whether Trump campaign advisers colluded in Russian interference into the 2016 U.S. election. Investigators are also looking into whether Flynn's work on behalf of Turkey violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act, which requires people to disclose work for foreign governments.

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has demanded the extradition of his arch-enemy Gulen, blaming him for a 2016 coup attempt allegedly orchestrated from the U.S. Turkey has failed to provide sufficient evidence for a judge to approve extradition, according to U.S. officials.


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#1 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-10 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Is a guy even supposed to remember every kidnapping-job-offer he gets in a year?

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-10 05:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Why would Turkey think a US general could accomplish anything besides blowing stuff up. US generals are lightweights.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-10 05:29 PM | Reply

"I only hire the best people"..T-rump.

#4 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-11-10 07:05 PM | Reply

That sounds about as plausible as Pizzagate. How could you possibly even dream of kidnapping someone under government protection and flying him out of the country? Because everybody knows how easy something like that would be to get away with.

Witch-smeller Mueller is just trying to Whitewater anyone he can.

#5 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 07:14 PM | Reply

Mueller is, and has always been a Republican. Your desperation to deny is delightful.

#6 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-11-11 09:21 AM | Reply


A fifteen million dollar payoff would make some tenmpt the odds.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-11 11:36 AM | Reply

What to Make of the Latest Story About Flynn and Gulen?

...First, while stunning, this allegation is not entirely new. The Wall Street Journal and other outlets have previously reported on a September meeting between Flynn and Turkish officials in which they discussed possibilities for removing Gulen from the United States. Former CIA Director James Woolsey attended that meeting and was so disturbed by what he heard that he contacted then-Vice President Joe Biden through an intermediary to report the matter. Woosley has made some public statements about the episode.

The Journal's latest story however adds three crucial new pieces:

First, that Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating the matter as part of his larger probe into Trump associates and Russian election interference;

Second, that a second meeting occurred in December, following the election and after Flynn had been named national security adviser designate to the Trump administration, at which planning continued; and

Third, that this December meeting apparently focused on a more developed plan than what was discussed in September, including discussions of "the possibility of transporting Mr. Gulen by private jet to the Turkish prison island of Imrali" and a proposal to pay Flynn and his son up to $15 million for successfully delivering Gulen by one means or another.

In other words, the import of the new Wall Street Journal story is the news that the special counsel is investigating whether, during the presidential transition, the incoming national security adviser -- while acting as unregistered agent of a foreign government -- was also plotting a kidnapping on behalf of that foreign power.

What does it all mean?...

The Journal is, as we say, ambiguous about means. In some passages, it suggests a kidnapping; in others, it suggests that Flynn would use his position as national security adviser to return Gulen by legal means. The U.S. and Turkey do have an extradition treaty. The Department of Justice has so far rebuffed Turkish extradition requests related to their claims that Gulen is the mastermind behind a 2015 failed coup attempt. But perhaps Flynn only agreed that he would use his influence to mount pressure on the Justice Department to use legal methods. And perhaps Flynn might argue that he was doing the President-elect's bidding, attempting to reset relations with Turkey by removing a major irritant in those relations.

That answer might get Flynn out of some legal hot water, but unless the facts in the Journal story don't pan out, there are still big problems. For one thing, there's still the allegation about money. It's no more legal to take $15 million to use your influence as national security adviser to bring about an outcome than it is to kidnap someone....

The full article is a pretty good read. There's also a long podcast referenced in the article, but I currently don't have the hour available to listen to it.

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-11 02:57 PM | Reply


It's not that I doubt the kidnapping story or Flynn's involvement in such a plot ($15 Million is one hell of an incentive) but I wonder about the stupidity of engaging then CIA Director James Woolsey, an Obama appointment, to carry out such a nefarious scheme. Flynn using his influence as National Security Director to extradite Gulen is certainly plausible ~ but Kidnapping him with the help of an Obama appointee is way beyond stupid. Flynn is a weasel, no doubt, but REALLY! ~ the risk of involving a 3rd party like Woolsey? That's just too dumb for words. There's no doubt that Woolsey attending a meeting but I wonder what made Flynn think that Woolsey wouldn't spill the beans.

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-11-12 04:45 AM | Reply

Twinpac, never underestimate the combination of stupidity and corruption this administration is capable of.

#10 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-12 07:02 AM | Reply

@#9 ... That's just too dumb for words. ...

And your point is? ;)

I've oft used the phrase "Keystone Kops" to describe the Trump administration. Sometimes I wonder if they are such short-term thinkers (I use that last word loosely) that they do not ponder the consequences of their actions.

Regardless, I still look forward to the evidence that Mr Mueller puts forth in his investigation. Until then, a lot of the evidence, while looking less than good, may suggest more than what is there.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-12 09:33 AM | Reply

That sounds about as plausible as Pizzagate. How could you possibly even dream of kidnapping someone under government protection and flying him out of the country? Because everybody knows how easy something like that would be to get away with.
Witch-smeller Mueller is just trying to Whitewater anyone he can.


Funny, you believe the Pizzagate story because a guy on the radio said it.

But now, with a full vetted story and multiple witnesses, you refuse to believe this story.

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-13 10:57 AM | Reply


Short-term is being generous. But there must be a reason behind it, for example, a belief that they can operate with impunity under the protective umbrella of the President of the United States and his enablers in the DOJ.

And why not? It's a sentiment that's shared across the board in the Trump administration. It's fun to watch them getting hoisted on their own petard.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-11-14 02:14 AM | Reply

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