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Thursday, November 09, 2017

A woman has accused Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexually abusing her in 1979 when she was 14 and he was 32. Leigh Corfman told the Washington Post that Moore, then an assistant district attorney, offered to watch Corfman for her mother at Etowah County courthouse while the woman attended a child custody hearing. Moore allegedly obtained her phone number and twice took her to his house in the woods. Corfman said on the second time, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his own clothes then touched her sexually. She said of her thoughts during that incident, "I wanted it over with -- I wanted out." She told a friend at the time she was seeing Moore and told her mother a decade later, the Post reports. Three other women interviewed by the newspaper said Moore pursued them when they were between 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s.

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The Post reports, "Corfman, 53, who works as a customer service representative at a payday loan business, says she has voted for Republicans in the past three presidential elections, including for Donald Trump in 2016. She says she thought of confronting Moore personally for years, and almost came forward publicly during his first campaign for state Supreme Court in 2000, but decided against it. Her two children were still in school then and she worried about how it would affect them. She also was concerned that her background -- three divorces and a messy financial history -- might undermine her credibility. ...

"Neither Corfman nor any of the other women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore's Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls. Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don't know one another."

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"Two of Corfman's childhood friends say she told them at the time that she was seeing an older man, and one says Corfman identified the man as Moore. Wells says her daughter told her about the encounter more than a decade later, as Moore was becoming more prominent as a local judge."

Republican family values.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-09 01:37 PM | Reply

this is nothing but a witch hunt

sincerely

righttoestangj

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-09 01:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You have used the word pederast incorrectly. It applies to older men attracted to prepubescent boys. Moore would be a ephebophile....and a homophobic racist. And it is too late to replace him. Absentee ballots have already been sent out.

#3 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2017-11-09 01:52 PM | Reply

Hey, if these allegations are true, throw his ass in jail, remove him from the ballot. These actions are completely unacceptable.

It is notable, however, that you are all over this when it is someone on the opposite side of the aisle but have nothing but snark when the allegations hurt your narrative.

Funny how that works.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It is notable, however, that you are all over this when it is someone on the opposite side of the aisle but have nothing but snark when the allegations hurt your narrative."

Anthony Wiener probably would not laugh at your comment considering he reported to prison the other day.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-09 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Glad to see the Weinstein story has empowered others to speak out. Lots of stories about big names in the past weeks with varying consequences and veracity.

www.nbcnews.com

#6 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unless more women come forward, I suspect this will effect the race not one iota. Voters will dismiss the woman's claims, either by saying she is lying or by saying, So What? That was years ago. He didn't rape her and took her home when she said she wanted to go.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Hey, if these allegations are true, throw his ass in jail, remove him from the ballot"

so when are you going to go after Supreme Court Rapist Clarence Thomas?

#8 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-09 02:26 PM | Reply

Hey, if these allegations are true, throw his ass in jail, remove him from the ballot. These actions are completely unacceptable.

#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-11-09 02:02 PM | FLAG:

Can he even be thrown in jail? According to Alabama law, it appears the statute of limitations has expired -- which is wrong, because victims often repress their memories of such traumatic events for many years. Many other states don't have a statute of limitations on sex crimes involving children.

#9 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-09 02:48 PM | Reply

McConnell: Moore should step down if allegations true

thehill.com

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I honestly don't know what the SOL is in Bama, but as Gal points out, if other women come forward, Roy should step down from the race to address these accusations.

so when are you going to go after Supreme Court Rapist Clarence Thomas?

#8 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2017-11-09 02:26 PM

At the same time as you go after President Rapist Bill Clinton.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 03:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Moore built his public career on the Ten Commandments. I don't see how his candidacy survives these allegations, particularly at a time when Kevin Spacey and others accused of the same thing are being drummed out of their professions.

Obviously people are going to say this is concocted, but the accuser, her mother and a friend all have gone on the record. Other women have as well to say he pursued them when they were 16 to 18.

That's a lot of smoke for there to be no fire.

That whole "hey I'll watch your kid for you" angle is particularly gross.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-09 03:23 PM | Reply

Antoine Dodson was a prophet. They're rapin' everybody.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-09 03:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

"At the same time as you go after President Rapist Bill Clinton."

Oh so this is --- for tat politics for you.

Who ever could have guessed, especially after you championed yourself as the Grand Inquisitor of Liberals in Hollywood who only support Democrats...

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 03:27 PM | Reply

Of course more women will come forward. The cat is out of the bag. Blood in the water.

Moore will still win though. This is just aother opportunity for right wing partisans to prove that they are Party over Country voters.

#15 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-11-09 03:37 PM | Reply

Oh so this is --- for tat politics for you.

Just responding to Coco's lame post about Thomas, nothing more.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 03:42 PM | Reply

Moore built his public career on the Ten Commandments.

#12 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2017-11-09 03:23 PM | REPLY

Like any good Republican jurist, Judge Moore is a strict constructionist. The Ten Commandments don't expressly prohibit men from having sex with 14 year old girls.

#17 | Posted by anton at 2017-11-09 03:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#15

I disagree, if more women come out against Moore, he is toast and deservedly so.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 03:43 PM | Reply

It shouldn't be a surprise that McConnell said he should step down if allegations are true. Moore was nor his pick for the seat, not Trump's. This was Bannon's guy.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 03:48 PM | Reply

Moore was nor his pick for the seat, not Trump's = not/nor

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 03:49 PM | Reply

Mitch McConnell calls on Roy Moore to exit Alabama Senate race ‘if these allegations are true'

Other Republican senators weighing in included Jeff Flake of Arizona, David Perdue of Georgia, John Thune of South Dakota, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Cory Gardner of Colorado, Richard C. Shelby of Alabama and Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called on Moore to step aside as well -- and without couching his statement with "if true" language.

www.washingtonpost.com

Good ol' Johnny Mc.... it's a wonder what an incurable condition will do for one's balls.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-09 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I liked what Murkowski said:

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) was unequivocal. "I'm horrified, and if this is true he needs to step down immediately," she told reporters.

Murkowski later told reporters that she would encourage Strange to re-enter the race as a write-in candidate, though it's unclear whether Alabama law would allow that.

"Of course it's possible!" said Murkowski, who won her own 2010 re-election race as a write-in contender after losing the Alaska GOP primary.

Moore is such a polarizing guy, if there are other women that he preyed on at any age, they will start coming out of the woodwork fairly quickly now that the way has been paved by Ms. Corfman.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 03:55 PM | Reply

"At the same time as you go after President Rapist Bill Clinton."

i voted for bob dole in 96

so... i'm pretty consistent on my dislike of scumbags.

#23 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-09 04:00 PM | Reply

I honestly don't know what the SOL is in Bama, but as Gal points out, if other women come forward, Roy should step down from the race to address these accusations.
so when are you going to go after Supreme Court Rapist Clarence Thomas?

#8 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2017-11-09 02:26 PM
At the same time as you go after President Rapist Bill Clinton.

#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Funny. There was a Special Prosecutor looking into EVERYTHING Bill Clinton did...and the only thing he found was a consensual BJ in the Oval Office.

So how about we go after Trump who admits to sexual assault?

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 04:05 PM | Reply

So how about we go after Trump who admits to sexual assault?

#24 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-11-09 04:05 PM | FLAG:

RoC's had way too much of the TraitorAde to even consider any flaws in the Gropenfuhrer.

#25 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-11-09 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

consensual
#24 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Doesn't sound like rape to me.

#26 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-09 04:22 PM | Reply

It is notable, however, that you are all over this when it is someone on the opposite side of the aisle but have nothing but snark when the allegations hurt your narrative.

Funny how that works.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter

What's notable is that when a sexual predator is a dem, it ends their career.

WHen it's a repub, they win the next election.

Family values my ass.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-09 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Funny. There was a Special Prosecutor looking into EVERYTHING Bill Clinton did...and the only thing he found was a consensual BJ in the Oval Office.

Funny, Bill Clinton ultimately admitted to an affair with Gennifer Flowers after denying it under oath and he and Hillary attacked her saying she was lying, he ultimately settled with Paula Jones for the entire amount of her claim ($850,000) after she sued him for sexual harassment, he and Hillary attacked Kathleen Wiley (who was deemed not credible by Starr) and Juanita Broadrick (who was deemed credible by Starr but the SOL in Arkansas had run).

By all means, let's go after Trump if the claims made by Summer Zavros are proven true or he settles it out of court. I have never wavered from that position.

#28 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 04:32 PM | Reply

What's notable is that when a sexual predator is a dem, it ends their career.
WHen it's a repub, they win the next election.
Family values my ass.

#27 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Bill Clinton says otherwise.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 04:33 PM | Reply

What's notable is that when a sexual predator is a dem, it ends their career.

Didn't realize that Dennis Hastert was a Democrat.

WHen it's a repub, they win the next election.

Didn't realize that Bill Clinton was a Republican.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 04:34 PM | Reply

Heck, if a Republican even makes a comment about "legitimate rape" it ends their career.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 04:37 PM | Reply

It's not so much the comment.

It's the ignorance the comment was born from.

That kind of ignorance needs an abortion.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 04:40 PM | Reply

Heck, if a Republican even makes a comment about "legitimate rape" it ends their career.

#31 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-11-09 04:37 PM | FLAG:

As it should if it's in the context that it was.

#33 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-11-09 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Funny. There was a Special Prosecutor looking into EVERYTHING Bill Clinton did...and the only thing he found was a consensual BJ in the Oval Office."
Funny, Bill Clinton ultimately admitted to an affair with Gennifer Flowers after denying it under oath and he and Hillary attacked her saying she was lying, he ultimately settled with Paula Jones for the entire amount of her claim ($850,000) after she sued him for sexual harassment, he and Hillary attacked Kathleen Wiley (who was deemed not credible by Starr) and Juanita Broadrick (who was deemed credible by Starr but the SOL in Arkansas had run).
By all means, let's go after Trump if the claims made by Summer Zavros are proven true or he settles it out of court. I have never wavered from that position.

#28 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

YOU called it RAPE.

Now you backtrack?

And Trump literally admitted to just grabbing women against their will.

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 04:44 PM | Reply

Chris Cillizza of CNN tweeted a little while ago that he had worked at the Washington Post and knew the reporters, saying, "Trust me. They didn't get it wrong." I know he was sort of asking for it with such a statement, but the vehemence of the "fake news/paid for by the Dems" response from obvious Trump/Moore supporters is still appalling. They're going to look pretty stupid when the story turns out to be true.

Free advice: Don't go out on a limb to defend your politico when he's accused of a sex crime - especially if multiple victims are speaking out.

Even worse, Alabama's state auditor is quoted saying that even if it's true, "it's much ado about very little." In fact, says Jim Ziegler, Roy Moore is a lot like the Lord's stepdad.
"Take Joseph and Mary," he said. "Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."

Other GOP leaders are also saying it's irrelevant to today or not a big deal.

Amazing.

#35 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-09 04:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's notable is that when a sexual predator is a dem, it ends their career.
WHen it's a repub, they win the next election.
Family values my ass.
#27 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY
Bill Clinton says otherwise.
#29 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Holy hell, when was Clinton's third term?!

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 04:45 PM | Reply

#32 and #33

I agree completely.

I wasn't suggesting it being a career-ender wasn't justified.

I just brought it up to show Speaks that he was wrong.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 04:45 PM | Reply

Holy hell, when was Clinton's third term?!

#36 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

?????

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 04:46 PM | Reply

YOU called it RAPE.
Now you backtrack?
And Trump literally admitted to just grabbing women against their will.

#34 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-11-09 04:44 PM

No, Juanita Broadrick called it RAPE...and Ken Starr found her credible.

No backtracking here, just a failure of reading comprehension on your part.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 04:47 PM | Reply

I'd imagine that even Pythagoras is incapable of working out the triangulation underway right now with state and national Republics. Too late for Moore's name to be removed from the ballot in what was already a somewhat surprisingly close race in Alabama. It's way late in the process for a write in candidacy to be very successful and that's if Moore even withdraws. Each day closer to December 10th makes it that much tougher to hold that seat. That's a disaster for Yertle and company.

#40 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-11-09 04:48 PM | Reply

All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews

Yep, keep bugging citizens until you come up with something, anything...

#41 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-09 04:49 PM | Reply

And Trump literally admitted to just grabbing women against their will.

Agreed, and I said this: "By all means, let's go after Trump if the claims made by Summer Zavros are proven true or he settles it out of court. I have never wavered from that position."

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 04:49 PM | Reply

All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews
Yep, keep bugging citizens until you come up with something, anything...

#41 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2017-11-09 04:49 PM | FLAG:

Oh, good. Another disgraced TraitorAde guzzler peeks their head out of the pond scum.

#43 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-11-09 04:52 PM | Reply

Bill Clinton says otherwise.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ

Really? What was bill clinton elected to after his sex scandal?

Hell Al GORE was punished for bill clinton's sex scandal and he had nothing to do with it.

If a dem does something, even the people around them are held responsible.
If a repub does something even worse, they win the next election.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-09 04:52 PM | Reply

At the same time as you go after President Rapist Bill Clinton.
#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

YOU called it RAPE.
Now you backtrack?
#34 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

No, Juanita Broadrick called it RAPE...and Ken Starr found her credible.
No backtracking here, just a failure of reading comprehension on your part.

#39 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Are you sure?
Are you sure it was my reading comprehension that is the issue?
Are you sure you aren't just lying about calling Bill Clinton a "Rapist"?
Are you really sure?

#45 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 04:53 PM | Reply

What's notable is that when a sexual predator is a dem, it ends their career.
WHen it's a repub, they win the next election.
Family values my ass.
#27 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY
Bill Clinton says otherwise.
#29 | POSTED BY JEFFJ
Holy hell, when was Clinton's third term?!
#36 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
?????
#38 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Bill Clinton was impeached. He was in his second term. He didn't get re-elected.
Enough with the non-sense.

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 04:54 PM | Reply

Roy Moore is scum.

Nut jobs like this think they are above Man's Law and "untouchable".

We'll see.

Turns out Karma is a -------.

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-09 04:55 PM | Reply

Yeah, I am just as sure as Coco was with him calling Justice Thomas a rapist, except Anita Hill wasn't found to be credible by a prosecutor.

And yes, I am sure that your reading comprehension, in regards to your claim that I was somehow backtracking, sucked.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 04:56 PM | Reply

He was in his second term.

Congrats, you just made Jeff's point for him, all of these allegations came out before he was elected or re-elected.

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 04:57 PM | Reply

It isn't just Summer who made claims and you know it. Trump is a pervert at best.

#50 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-09 05:00 PM | Reply

Other GOP leaders are also saying it's irrelevant to today or not a big deal.
Amazing.

#35 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2017-11-09 04:44 PM | REPLY

I just watched a Republican go after the Press for reporting that there were teenagers involved, and how that was unacceptable since all but the 14 year old were of legal age. He was actually arguing that, even though they were all teenagers, actually calling them teenagers was slanderous.

#51 | Posted by YAV at 2017-11-09 05:04 PM | Reply

#50

But those are the only public claims that are going before a trier of fact. If you want him impeached for sex crimes, this is the only avenue currently available to you.

And I agree that Trump is not only a perv but has used his wealth and power to have sex with women, consensual or not.

#52 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 05:05 PM | Reply

Haha

This is the thread where the "you are known by the company you keep" dweebs try to pretend you aren't known by the asshats you vote for.

#53 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-09 05:06 PM | Reply

"He was in his second term."
Congrats, you just made Jeff's point for him, all of these allegations came out before he was elected or re-elected.

#49 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

There are always allegations. Unsubstantiated allegations.

Once they are more substantiated and evidence starts to appear, that's when it matters.

Like with Roy Moore here. You won't hear me asking him to step down until far more information comes out. Anybody can make these allegations. Once there is more evidence and the claims have been vetted,then we can discuss Moore stepping down.

#54 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Make Perversion Great Again!

Laundering Mob money is all good now.
Assaulting women is fine if they are hot.
Cheating on taxes is smart.
Accepting kickbacks from foreigners is just business.
Hiring Americans is for losers.

Republican values.

#55 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-09 05:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'd like to see ol' Roy drug into the courthouse by his spurs, wearing that ridiculous, tiny hat.

#56 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-09 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For christ's sake, Roy Moore is fundraising on it!

#57 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-09 05:16 PM | Reply

twitter.com

#58 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-09 05:17 PM | Reply

All these deflections to Bill Clinton make the righties here look pathetic. The question about Moore has nothing to do with Clinton, it's either Moore did it or didn't do it. Several people say he did. Are they just lying? Why?

#59 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-09 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Several people say he did. Are they just lying? Why?

#59 | POSTED BY DANNI AT

I heard it's around 30 people on the record saying he did it.

He is going to get republicans to give him money now, and then he's going to win a senate seat by around 8 or 10 points.

#60 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-09 05:24 PM | Reply

Elected republicans in Alabama are defending him with the bible:

www.washingtonexaminer.com

FTA:

Asked whether or not the report would upend Moore's campaign, Ziegler predicted that Alabama voters would be angrier at the Washington Post for "desperately trying to get something negative" than Moore for his dalliances with teenage girls decades ago.

"He's clean as a hound's tooth," Ziegler claimed, before relying on Scripture to defend Moore.

"Take the Bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist," Ziegler said choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. "Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."

#61 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-09 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#61 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

Welcome to Alabama.

#62 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 05:38 PM | Reply

It's funny to see those Sharia Law values come to America, by Roy Moore and his supporters.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 05:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Gennifer Flowers is a trail blazer.

#64 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2017-11-09 05:44 PM | Reply

Yep, keep bugging citizens until you come up with something, anything...

That's your defense?

#65 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-09 05:46 PM | Reply

Reminds me of a quote about Alabama from "My cousin Vinny":

'The Klan's here. They're inbred. They sleep with their sisters'.

#66 | Posted by berto42 at 2017-11-09 05:48 PM | Reply

All these deflections to Bill Clinton make the righties here look pathetic. The question about Moore has nothing to do with Clinton, it's either Moore did it or didn't do it.

Clinton came up in direct response to CocoChief's Clarence Thomas tangent. I agree that this is about Moore but once Clinton's name came up the Clintonistas stampeded to his defense, yet again.

Moore is a creep for a lot of reasons, if 30 people have indeed come out with allegations that he is a pedo, then he needs to step down to deal with those allegations.

#67 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 05:51 PM | Reply

Luckily for me, my old Farrah Fawcett poster can't accuse me of sexual debauchery.

#68 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2017-11-09 05:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Moore built his public career on the Ten Commandments. I don't see how his candidacy survives these allegations, particularly at a time when Kevin Spacey and others accused of the same thing are being drummed out of their professions.

It's simple. Roy Moore is a republican. Republicans don't respect women. They will call the girls liars. And -----. They are already making excuses. In a month from now this will be forgotten by the next Trump scandal.

Only democrats find this kind of behavior repulsive.

Only democrats are effected by such actions.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 06:18 PM | Reply

Sycophant,

Speaks claimed Democrats face punishment from their own party over sexual abuse and the GOP doesn't. Clinton didn't see much negativity from his own party over his transgressions. Speaks was wrong.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 06:19 PM | Reply

Clinton came up in direct response to CocoChief's Clarence Thomas tangent. I agree that this is about Moore but once Clinton's name came up the Clintonistas stampeded to his defense, yet again.

Dude. You brought up Clinton as fast as you could.

And Jeff jumped in as fast as he could to double down.

You two both suffer from Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe one day you'll recover from the horrible trauma he inflicted upon you.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 06:20 PM | Reply

Speaks claimed Democrats face punishment from their own party over sexual abuse and the GOP doesn't.

He's right.

Clinton didn't see much negativity from his own party over his transgressions.

He went to trial and was impeached.

Anthony Weiner lost his job.

Weinstein lost his company.

Spacey lost his career.

#72 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 06:23 PM | Reply

If the title of this thread is Roy Moore Accused of Sexual Abuse of Teen, why the hell are half the comments about Bill Clinton?

Why instead of condemning all sexual misconduct do conservatives instead choose to turn this into a left versus right competition?

The issue is not whether they have a D or an R after their name.

#73 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-09 06:27 PM | Reply

The issue is not whether they have a D or an R after their name.

Unfortunately. This seems to be the only reason things are issues anymore.

If my guy is raping children it must be a lie.

If your guy is raping children you're a sick monkey and you relish pedophilia.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dude. You brought up Clinton as fast as you could.

LOL, look at the timing on the posts, I was responding to CBob and threw SamIam's snark tangent back in his face, at which point I dropped it. Snoofy then accuses me of tit-for-tat and Syco comes unglued.

You two both suffer from Clinton Derangement Syndrome.
Maybe one day you'll recover from the horrible trauma he inflicted upon you.

I like Bubba and voted for him in '96, it's Hillary that I can't stand.

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 06:47 PM | Reply

#74

Agreed, and this shouldn't be a partisan issue, it should be a basic humanity issue.

#76 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#74 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

The problem is everyone is thinking about my guy or your guy and no one is thinking of the children. Except for my guy and your guy but they're pedophiles and we don't want them to think of the children.

#77 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-09 06:48 PM | Reply

Clown,

Scroll up.

Cocosamville threw the opening salvo by bringing Clarence Thomas into this.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 06:48 PM | Reply

Clown,

I just gave you a NW for #74.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 06:50 PM | Reply

So Roy Moore is probably a lowlife like Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart. The connection between religious zealotry and hypocritical extreme sexual behavior is peculiar, unless you're a Bonobo, then its normal.

#80 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-09 07:17 PM | Reply

Judge Roy Moore‏ @MooreSenate

The Obama-Clinton Machine's liberal media lapdogs just launched the most vicious and nasty round of attacks against me I've EVER faced!

We are are in the midst of a spiritual battle with those who want to silence our message. (1/4)

The forces of evil will lie, cheat, steal –– even inflict physical harm –– if they believe it will silence and shut up Christian conservatives like you and me. (2/4)

I believe you and I have a duty to stand up and fight back against the forces of evil waging an all-out war on our conservative values!

Our nation is at a crossroads right now -- both spiritually and politically

Our children and grandchildren's futures are on the line.

So rest assured -- I will NEVER GIVE UP the fight! (4/4)

3:47 PM - 9 Nov 2017

#81 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 07:34 PM | Reply

Is he a Democrat? No? Sexual assault doesn't matter.

#82 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-11-09 07:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's a funny thing to see all of the deflections to Democrats.

You get canned if you're the president on a net flix series and you're accused of something like this.

You can admit to it on a hot mic and still be elected as the actual president as a republican.

#83 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-09 07:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Godwin's Law part 2 - Replace Hitler with Clinton. All set!

#84 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-11-09 08:04 PM | Reply

Dismiss the claim if you wish but declaring that the claim, if true, is somehow Biblically sanctioned has got to be a new low:

Asked whether or not the report would upend Moore's campaign, Ziegler predicted that Alabama voters would be angrier at the Washington Post for "desperately trying to get something negative" than Moore for his dalliances with teenage girls decades ago.

"He's clean as a hound's tooth," Ziegler claimed, before relying on Scripture to defend Moore.

"Take the Bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist," Ziegler said choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. "Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."
#61 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 08:05 PM | Reply

This is how we got Trump:

And another state politician, Bibb County GOP chairman Jerry Pow, told Dale that although he didn't support Moore's alleged actions, he would still vote for him.

"I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn't want to vote for Doug," Pow said. "I'm not saying I support what he did."

www.businessinsider.com

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You can admit to it on a hot mic and still be elected as the actual president as a republican.

#83 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

It's already been proven that the hypocrisy is rife on both sides of the aisle.

How about just condemning this for the horrible that it is?

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 08:32 PM | Reply

Spitzer lost his job for sex behavior too.

Trump won the white house. After BRAGGING about sexual assault and admitting to bursting into dressing rooms, the "christians" voted for the most satanic president we've ever had.

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-09 08:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Credit is where it's due. It's painful for me to acknowledge this but this is the best post on this thread IMO:

There are always allegations. Unsubstantiated allegations.
Once they are more substantiated and evidence starts to appear, that's when it matters.
Like with Roy Moore here. You won't hear me asking him to step down until far more information comes out. Anybody can make these allegations. Once there is more evidence and the claims have been vetted,then we can discuss Moore stepping down.

#54 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-11-09 05:13 PM

#89 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's already been proven that the hypocrisy is rife on both sides of the aisle.

How about just condemning this for the horrible that it is?

#87 | Posted by JeffJ

In comes the king of false equivalencies to wrap it all up for us.

It's not a both sides thing. Repubs vote for their sex abusers even after learning of their crimes. Dems are punished for theirs.

But yeah, if you are pathologically addicted to false equivalencies, those might seem like the exact same thing.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-09 08:35 PM | Reply

Spitzer lost his job for sex behavior too.
Trump won the white house. After BRAGGING about sexual assault and admitting to bursting into dressing rooms, the "christians" voted for the most satanic president we've ever had.

#88 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Trump is the Yin of Bill Clinton's Yang.

Both parties are tribal and hypocritical. Quit trying to score political points - you're acting like a whore accusing another whore of engaging in prostitution.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 08:37 PM | Reply

#88

This is who we are dealing with...

#92 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-11-09 08:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I sure wish Republicans would stop talking about Bill Clinton's yang. They're obsessed with it.

#93 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-11-09 08:39 PM | Reply

It's not a both sides thing. Repubs vote for their sex abusers even after learning of their crimes. Dems are punished for theirs.

#90 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You're full of crap and several situations that thoroughly disprove your BS partisan talking point have been provided.

You're making a fool of yourself. BTW - Dems are poised to vote to keep a convicted felon (the likely outcome of the Melendez trail) in the Senate for purely political reasons.

#94 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 08:40 PM | Reply

I sure wish Republicans would stop talking about Bill Clinton's yang. They're obsessed with it.

#93 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

All of the discussion of "Bill Clinton's yang" is a direct result of Democrat-partisans hyping Roy Moore for political gain.

--- for tat.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 08:42 PM | Reply

Both parties are tribal and hypocritical. Quit trying to score political points - you're acting like a whore accusing another whore of engaging in prostitution.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ

No I'm acting like a whore who got busted for prostitution, watching another whore get the police medal of bravery.

Every time you act like both parties are equal on ANYTHING you look just as dumb as SHAWN.

#96 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-09 08:43 PM | Reply

I've provided examples of hypocrisy on both sides.

You are acting like a tribal idiot with your tack that one side is pure as driven snow and the other is the epitome of evil.

You are acting like the very partisan hack that you proclaim you are not.

#97 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 08:47 PM | Reply

"It's already been proven that the hypocrisy is rife on both sides of the aisle."

Pretend again that "both sides are the same" if it makes you feel good but it's utter nonsense.

#98 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-09 08:50 PM | Reply

Funny the rich owners are uninterested in more buying power for the many, equating to natural profits across indistries, and more interested in Big Government giving a tax break to the few. Personal responsibility and all, it's just funny.

#99 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-09 08:53 PM | Reply

Danni,

I didn't say that both sides are the same.

I said that hypocrisy is rife on both sides, and that is absolutely true.

#100 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 08:57 PM | Reply

You are acting like a tribal idiot with your tack that one side is pure as driven snow and the other is the epitome of evil.

You are acting like the very partisan hack that you proclaim you are not.

#97 | Posted by JeffJ

Your tribe is false equivalency and you are the chief.

You have to exaggerate what I said to make me sound wrong. My actual statement was that dems are punished for their sex crimes more often and more thoroughly than repubs.

The Repubs INVESTIGATING dem's infidelity are later found to be cheaters as well, and their careers continue unharmed.

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-09 09:03 PM | Reply

#100

When you consider the context in black and white terms, you are correct.

The nuanced grey suggests a significant imbalance in terms of ratio.

#102 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-09 09:03 PM | Reply

Chloe Angyal‏ @ChloeAngyal

Right now, the HuffPost front page has stories about 9 different men who are accused of sexual assault. It would be 10 but we had to take down Charlie Sheen to make room for Louis C.K.
12:24 PM - 9 Nov 2017

#103 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 09:07 PM | Reply

ian bremmer‏ @ianbremmer

If Roy Moore had used a pizza parlor as a front for his alleged sexual misconduct with children, then there's a story.
1:46 PM - 9 Nov 2017

#104 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 09:12 PM | Reply

All of the discussion of "Bill Clinton's yang" is a direct result of Democrat-partisans hyping Roy Moore for political gain.
--- for tat.
#95 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-11-09 08:42 PM | REPLY

Dude. Your use of Clinton to excuse Roy Moore is kinda weird.

Why even try to draw an equivalency in the first place?

Why not just make a declarative statement such as, "If the allegations about Moore are true then he should immediately resign and have charges pressed against him."

Not everything needs to be excused or justified.

And please don't explain to me how someone else brought up Clarence Thomas or how Trump and Clinton are the Yin Yang Twins. It's irrelevant and irresponsible.

This thread is about Roy Moore allegedly sexually abusing a 14 year old girl.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 09:12 PM | Reply

#105 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Beat me too it.

#106 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-09 09:14 PM | Reply

Right now, the HuffPost front page has stories about 9 different men who are accused of sexual assault. It would be 10 but we had to take down Charlie Sheen to make room for Louis C.K.

Louie CK didn't sexually assault anyone. He's accused of ------------ in front of women, most of which occurred in his hotel rooms, after having asked the women for their permission first.

Now. It's odd that he'd behave in such a manor. But these women were free to tell him to stop (as one claims to have done) or simply left at the sight of him undressing/------------.

There's only one situation where he was ------------ while walking on set. Which he can be charged with public indecency and harassment.

But, by what I've red, he hasn't actually assulted anyone.

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 09:22 PM | Reply

#107 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I'm giving you another NW. You didn't defend what he's accused of doing - you put it in perspective. My concern with all of this Weinstein-dam breaking is false accusations out of spite.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 09:26 PM | Reply

Sexual abuse is suddenly a defining topic. And you'd better be on the right side of this issue. Weiner woke people up. Trump divided America, disgusting more than half, but leaving his sycophantic supporters unfazed. Weinstein repulsed anybody with a conscience. Spacey and the NPR guy (Oreskas?) also made news. All the other creeps who thought they were safe for the past few decades are hoping they don't get exposed.

Moore is toast. Stop pretending you don't know these accusations are real. There will be more women coming forward in the next few days.

Moore was always a creep, couching everything in biblical terms and obsessing over the private lives of gay people and haranguing minorities. Now we know just how creepy he really is.

#109 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-09 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Dude. Your use of Clinton to excuse Roy Moore is kinda weird.

Never happened.

Why even try to draw an equivalency in the first place?
Why not just make a declarative statement such as, "If the allegations about Moore are true then he should immediately resign and have charges pressed against him."
Not everything needs to be excused or justified.

Excellent points - fully agree.

And please don't explain to me how someone else brought up Clarence Thomas or how Trump and Clinton are the Yin Yang Twins. It's irrelevant and irresponsible.
This thread is about Roy Moore allegedly sexually abusing a 14 year old girl.

#105 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Well, once you go after those who actually brought those issues into this thread in lieu of going after those who responded....Come on, dude.

#110 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 09:30 PM | Reply

#107 I agree not all allegations coming out are equal in terms of severity and impact. Some may not be true. Some may be true, and there are more shoes to drop. Don't know the validity of this tweet, e.g.:

Nicole Silverberg @nsilverberg

I was told to delete a tweet I wrote about Louis CK abusing women before I applied to a high-profile comedy job because the people conducting the hiring process might not like it. These women who have spoken up are brave, and we owe them so much.
11:57 AM - 9 Nov 2017

twitter.com

#111 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 09:34 PM | Reply

My actual statement was that dems are punished for their sex crimes more often and more thoroughly than repubs.
The Repubs INVESTIGATING dem's infidelity are later found to be cheaters as well, and their careers continue unharmed.
#101 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Going back as far as you want to go back that claim is objectively false.

You come across as tribal.

"Bernie Bros" ALWAYS better than "Establishment Democrats" ALWAYS better than "Anyone right of center, no matter what, no matter the circumstances or comparison".

That is how you come across. EVERY time. If you can offer proof to the contrary, I'll gladly look at it.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 09:34 PM | Reply

Thank you Jeff.

#113 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 09:38 PM | Reply

That is how you come across. EVERY time. If you can offer proof to the contrary, I'll gladly look at it.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ a

If you can offer anyhting that repubs are better on than dems I'll admit to it.

I'll start: The dems are stupid with their PC police word censorship.

That's it. I literally can't think of a single other thing repubs are better on. But find me a republican who rejects trickle down economics, wants to end the drug war, save the environment, and provide universal healthcare, and I'll happily vote for them.

There's nothing tribal about it. My conclusions are based on who has the smartest solutions for our problems. It's not my fault those solutions usually come from the left side.

Your pathetic repeated attempts to act like it's partisan to acknowledge reality is only getting sadder as the republicans sink into the gutter.

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-09 09:40 PM | Reply

"But, by what I've red, he hasn't actually assulted anyone."

Yeah, the HuffPo tweeter should have said sexual harassment (the one on the set) in Louis C.K.'s case.

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 09:40 PM | Reply

The problem is everyone is thinking about my guy or your guy and no one is thinking of the children. Except for my guy and your guy but they're pedophiles and we don't want them to think of the children.
#77 | Posted by IndianaJones

memegenerator.net

#116 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-11-09 09:42 PM | Reply

Come on, dude.
#110 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Have I ever told you how one of my best friends is staunchly libertarian? I love the guy. But when politics are brought up we become bitter rivals. But we value our friendship with one another, so we generally find some common ground to agree upon and squash the quarrel.

It's odd. But after so many years on the DR and having conversations with you guys. I sometimes feel like I prefer finding common ground and squashing the bull.

#117 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 09:46 PM | Reply

Well the longer I'm on the DR the less tolerant I am of ------------- and trumptilians. I view them as a pestilence on our country. They are impacting me negatively in an economic sense as I get older I get less tolerant of their self righteous intolerance of other people. I often wish the south had won the Civil War so those who want to live a backwards existence would be free to not involve thinking, moral people

#118 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-11-09 09:51 PM | Reply

I was told to delete a tweet I wrote about Louis CK abusing women before I applied to a high-profile comedy job

First of all. She should never have been told to delete anything she wrote. But. I understand how having a job is important and even if what you're saying is true, you don't want to offend the people hiring you.

But. I'd like to know what the content of the tweet was. "Abusing women" is a serious accusation. Especially if it's physically abusing women. Even if it's mental abuse, it would be good to know the context for "abusing women".

I feel it's irresponsible for Nicole Silverberg to now put out that tweet without clarification.

Also. Why now? Is it for attention? What was she thinking?

[Sexual abuse, assault, or rape are inexcusable and the people committing such acts should definitely be held accountable. I am in no way excusing any of these actions.]

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 09:58 PM | Reply

How about just condemning this for the horrible that it is?

#87 | POSTED BY JEFF

Ummmmmmm,,,,,,,

Roy Moore is fundraising off of it, elected republicans are defending him with the bible, and he is going to be elected to the US senate.

You can point that crooked finger up your own ***.

#120 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-09 10:01 PM | Reply

elected republicans are defending him with the Bible...

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I was reading their statements.

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 10:04 PM | Reply

#119 I don't know what she is thinking. In the article I read on him, Roseanne Barr said something similar about hearing rumors that Louis C.K. had a history of abusing women. It's possible they are both referring to what was an open secret on the comedy circuit.

#122 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 10:09 PM | Reply

Putin is more trustworthy than WaPo, and a possible pedophile and/or Satan is better than any Democrat:

Paul Reynolds, the Republican National Committeeman from Alabama, told The Hill that something about the timing of the accusation and the Post's role breaking the story "doesn't smell right."

"My gosh, it's The Washington Post. If I've got a choice of putting my welfare into the hands of Putin or The Washington Post, Putin wins every time," he said.

"This is going to make Roy Moore supporters step up to the plate and give more, work more and pray more."

Jonathan Gray, an Alabama Republican strategist, noted that Alabama Republicans are not willing to put their Senate seat at risk, arguing that they'd rather vote for anyone over a Democrat.

"I think they'd rather put Satan up there and then get him removed in the next election than lose the chance to correct what they think has been an injustice for eight years," Gray told The Hill.

thehill.com

#123 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Roy Moore is fundraising off of it, elected republicans are defending him with the bible, and he is going to be elected to the US senate.
You can point that crooked finger up your own ***.
#120 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

I wasn't the one who expanded this thread, -------.

Even if he isn't guilty of what he's been accused of - he's at best a marginal candidate. Given the strength of testimony of those who have come forward, I think he needs to be toast.

Changing gears, My gut tells me you defended and supported Bill Clinton but it's just an intuition.

#124 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 10:19 PM | Reply

I sure wish Republicans would stop talking about Bill Clinton's yang. They're obsessed with it.

#93 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

You know those rich old fake plastic Christian farts are obsessed with the size ( therefore "power") of their wangs. They have proved it over and over again by getting caught with their hands (and their wangs) in the "cookie jar".

Surprised our old (and I mean old!) humpy trumpy VJ grabbing pervO presidick didn't get into a shwang contest. Or did he? I don't want to remember. Anyway...frocking Trumpeters seem to love that reality tv fake professional wrestling Fantasyland crap.

#125 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-09 10:27 PM | Reply

Have I ever told you how one of my best friends is staunchly libertarian? I love the guy. But when politics are brought up we become bitter rivals. But we value our friendship with one another, so we generally find some common ground to agree upon and squash the quarrel.
It's odd. But after so many years on the DR and having conversations with you guys. I sometimes feel like I prefer finding common ground and squashing the bull.

#117 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I have relatives who fall into the same camp - pretty far apart politically (not as far as they think - I'm a social liberal) but we don't let our differences be definitive.

This question isn't directed at you as i know how you'd answer:

"How does a person treat someone who is incredibly moral (charitable, gentle, kind, empathetic, generous, overtly helpful, etc) who fundamentally is opposed politically purely out of principled differences of best approach?

I have relatives who I love dearly who are pretty far apart politically. Here's the rhetorical question - How is that possible?

#126 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 10:32 PM | Reply

I wasn't the one who deflected to Bill Clinton, but I would like to take this opportunity to deflected to Bill Clinton.

#124 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT

Pretty clever, dick smack.

#127 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-09 10:40 PM | Reply

Have you always been this into old man weiner, Jeff, or is this a new obsession for you?

#128 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-09 10:44 PM | Reply

#128

Back off Kevin Spacey, Jeff has no interest in your old man weiner.

#129 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 10:49 PM | Reply

MrSilence

I'll take your "deflection" accusation seriously when you go after the original deflection that I responded to. You are probably too tribal to do that which means I should ignore you as an unprincipled hack

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 10:56 PM | Reply

"Here's the rhetorical question - How is that possible?"

Rhetorical means I'm not supposed to answer, right?

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 11:11 PM | Reply

Clinton Deflections are really the only thing rwingers have around here these days. Whether it's Bill or Hillary, it's always a deflection rather than a conversation about the actual thread topic.

#132 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-09 11:12 PM | Reply

How does a person treat someone who is incredibly moral (charitable, gentle, kind, empathetic, generous, overtly helpful, etc) who fundamentally is opposed politically purely out of principled differences of best approach?

If open dialogue can be had, sharing ideas and opinions, and explaining your opinions and experiences can help other see your perspective. Even if you don't change their minds, you may temper their frustrations.

Honestly. You don't have to share the same opinions on politics in order to be friends with someone. There's a lot more to this life than politics.

What's the saying? Never discuss religion or politics at the dinner table.

#133 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 11:21 PM | Reply

Clinton Deflections are really the only thing rwingers have around here these days. Whether it's Bill or Hillary, it's always a deflection rather than a conversation about the actual thread topic.
#132 | POSTED BY CORKY

Godwin's Law 2

#134 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-11-09 11:25 PM | Reply

How does a person treat someone who is incredibly moral (charitable, gentle, kind, empathetic, generous, overtly helpful, etc) who fundamentally is opposed politically purely out of principled differences of best approach?

Respectfully.

If, however, their world view is based on propaganda, lies and misinformation...you don't have an even playing field. If someone disagrees, based on factual, evidence-based grounds, and they can defend their position, then you eventually just agree to disagree and move on. My problem is that these types of people are nearly extinct on the right. When I meet one, I usually enjoy the conversation.

#135 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-11-09 11:32 PM | Reply

Clinton Deflections are really the only thing rwingers have around here these days.

Where's Babbles? He used to spice it up with the odd Ted Kennedy deflection.

#136 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-09 11:36 PM | Reply

Where's Babbles?

He quit the DR after an argument between him and our resident MadScientist.

#137 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 11:46 PM | Reply

I miss all the excitement.

#138 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-10 12:31 AM | Reply

😢

#139 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-10 12:46 AM | Reply

GOP: Anthony Weiner sexting a 16 year old is completely indefensible but a 35 year old man bringing a 14 year old to a cabin in the woods and having her rub his dick is fine.

#140 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-10 01:19 AM | Reply

Just a reminder, these degenerates our here saying it was a long time ago, or using the Bible or "it was just kissing" to try to dismiss this are out there living among your daughters.

Good night.

#141 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-11-10 01:30 AM | Reply

Roy says "transgenders don't have rights" and Muslims shouldn't be In Congress, but her tiny hands made my dick look so big.
Roy knows he is a sick ---- and it has twisted his mind from all the self-hate.
GoP, you built that.

#142 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-10 01:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Kevin Spacey,

#129 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Funny you bring him up.

He's not allowed being president on TV for being accused of what the guy republicans voted for confessed to.

Also, you seem to know an awful lot about what Jeff is into, leftcoastlawyer.

Is there something you want to log in as Jeff and tell me?

#143 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-10 05:31 AM | Reply

I'll take your "deflection" accusation seriously when you go after the original deflection that I responded to.

#130 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT

I have to explain the behavior of someone else before you'll stop acting like a child?

Who made you do it, Jeff??

Show me where he touched you on the doll..

#144 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-10 05:37 AM | Reply

I'll take your "deflection" accusation seriously

#130 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Hey guys, look. Jeff will stand by the idiotic things he posts under certain conditions.

#145 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-10 05:45 AM | Reply

Say,,,,,

Don't I remember the republican party freaking out about defending their daughters in the bathrooms?

It's funny how they will change direction and defend pedophilia by citing scripture and Bill Clinton when a US senate is on the line.

#146 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-10 06:22 AM | Reply

Everyone needs to take a step back and honestly consider, what if that were my 14 year old daughter. All the rest of the arguments are absolute garbage. Deflection to Clinton, etc. You defenders of Moore ought to be ashamed of yourselves. JeffJ, quite honestly, you have lost your mind. The state of Alabama should lower their heads in shame if the elect this pervert to the Senate. I'll be honest, I've always known Alabama to be the home of ignorant fools but I always thought they at least loved their children. I was wrong. They don't.

#147 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-10 06:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

"it's better to have a pedophile in the US senate than a Democrat"

-- the party of morals and values

#148 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-10 07:07 AM | Reply

Completely unsurprising.

#149 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2017-11-10 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#123 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2017-11-09 10:17 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

We need a SMDH flag. That's mouth breather material there.

#150 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-10 09:05 AM | Reply

"...if proven true..." - Spoken by almost every Republican US Senator who was asked about this.

Why weren't those senators asked, "Do you believe the women?"

The women in this case (yes, women) have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose with their accusations against Moore.

Unlike the women who came out against that other pig, Weinstein, these Alabama women don't have huge bank balances and, in some cases, an Oscar on their mantle. They knew they stood the chance of being ostracized by their neighbors just for speaking out. And the reprehensible response of some Alabama Republicans underscores that fear.

They're women with absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose.

I believe what the women have claimed because, quite frankly, I would never call such brave women "liars."

"Everyone needs to take a step back and honestly consider, what if that were my 14 year old daughter." - #147 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-10 06:51 AM

Danni, I wish I had more than just a single Newsworthy flag to give you for just that one astute comment alone.

#151 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-10 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Single issue voters. Not one of those single issues is raping. So it's not an issue. Proceed.

#152 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-10 10:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Single issue voters. Not one of those single issues is raping. So it's not an issue. Proceed.

#152 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

It certainly wasn't an issue when those same Alabamian voters voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

#153 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-10 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Roy Moore's opponent (Doug Jones -D) is the lawyer who prosecuted the racist terrorists that bombed the 16th street baptist church in B'ham. I am hoping that folks know this and turn out to vote for him.

If the black folks stay home, like they did in the last prez election, Moore will win, because racism is still a thing down here.

#154 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-10 10:59 AM | Reply

I heard it's around 30 people on the record saying he did it.

#60 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

Read this earlier this morning. Interviews with 30 people he was working with confirmed the allegations are true. This story has been very very well vetted.

Sorry Republicans. This loser did it. And he's all yours.

Also, love how they are still defending him by citing Biblical examples of older men with younger women.

#155 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-10 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein are sick perverts!
We need to wait for all the facts to come out in the Roy Moore case...

- every Republican

h/t to MRSILENCEDOGOOD

#156 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-11-10 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

"The situation is this: The Washington Post talked to 30 people for this story. They name -- and have spoken to -- four women who a) do not know each other b) did not contact the Post before the Post contacted them and c) all tell very similar stories about Moore's decades-ago approach and intentions. They confirm that one woman's mother was in an Alabama courtroom on the day the accuser said she first met Moore. (Her daughter was 14 at the time.)

This isn't just some story slap-dashed together by a news outlet you've never heard of before. This is a deeply reported piece in which the reporters are entirely transparent about how they came upon the story and reported it out. Only the most biased minds could read the Post story and conclude that it was a "hit piece" or some sort of partisan attack."
www.cnn.com

#157 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-10 11:24 AM | Reply

Realize that all those who are telling us we have to wait for Moore to be proven guilty are the same folks who chanted "lock her up." They don't realize we understand that because they think we are as stupid as they are.

#158 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-10 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Rush Limbaugh is defending Roy Moore to the best of his ability this morning, can't wait to see his talking points regurgitated here.

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#159 - I use the phenomenon to set my watch

#160 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-10 01:32 PM | Reply

Odd thing though, #159 and 160.

None of them listen to him, they just somehow come to the same conclusion he does.

You would think one of them would find a way to turn their ESP into a decent pay day.

#161 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-10 01:51 PM | Reply

There are always allegations. Unsubstantiated allegations.
Once they are more substantiated and evidence starts to appear, that's when it matters.
Like with Roy Moore here. You won't hear me asking him to step down until far more information comes out. Anybody can make these allegations. Once there is more evidence and the claims have been vetted,then we can discuss Moore stepping down.

#54 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-11-09 05:13 PM
Credit is where it's due. It's painful for me to acknowledge this but this is the best post on this thread IMO:
#89 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I appreciate that. Now that we have 30 people verifying the actions of Moore, I think I'm satisfied that he needs to step down.

But I'd also give him the chance to defend himself somehow if he could.

#162 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-10 02:03 PM | Reply

The Alabama senate race is between a man who prosecuted the KKK and a pedophile.

Republicans are going to vote for the pedophile.

#163 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-10 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Roy Moore can't be a pedophile. He says he believes in the 10 Commandments and Jesus. The accuser must be lying.

#164 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-11-10 04:00 PM | Reply

#164

Pedophilia isn't condemned by either the Ten Commandments or Jesus.

So the people of Alabama have no quarrel with voting for a pedo, as long as that pedo is also a republican.

#165 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-10 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thank you Clownshack. I stand corrected. There is nothing at all hypocritical about being a religious Republican and being a pedophile. Stupid me. I never realized that before.

#166 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-11-10 04:06 PM | Reply

Pedophilia isn't condemned by either the Ten Commandments or Jesus.

So the people of Alabama have no quarrel with voting for a pedo, as long as that pedo is also a republican.

#165 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-10 04:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

WRONG Thou Shall not steal. They are being robbed of their innocence.

#167 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-10 04:18 PM | Reply

WRONG Thou Shall not steal. They are being robbed of their innocence.
#167 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Damn Laura!! That's some deep isht right there!

You sure you're not smoking da Ganga?

😗💨

#168 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-10 04:24 PM | Reply

Damn Laura!! That's some deep isht right there!

You sure you're not smoking da Ganga?

😗💨

Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-10 04:24 PM | Reply

NOPE I can't stand the stench of pot. One of the grossest smells of mankind.

#169 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-10 04:27 PM | Reply

Holy ----.

Moore was asked by Hannity if he remembers dating teens while he was in his 30's and he did the Sandusky pause..."Not generally, no."

Seriously. "Not generally."

#170 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-10 06:09 PM | Reply

I can't wait to cast a vote for candidates who overtly turn their backs on the people who are going to elect this pedophile.

#171 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-10 06:12 PM | Reply

Hannity has been even hackier than i thought possible in his defense of Moore. It's really sickening.

#172 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-11-10 06:19 PM | Reply

Comment posted on The Hill:

You would think the deplorables would understand why they get labeled when they knee-jerk defend (in no particular order) nazis, pedophiles, sexual predators, confederates, perjured cabinet members, bump stock wielding killers and lets not forget liars/grifters in the WH.

#173 | Posted by cbob at 2017-11-10 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Now that we have 30 people verifying the actions of Moore, I think I'm satisfied that he needs to step down.
But I'd also give him the chance to defend himself somehow if he could.

#162 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Wow. Another rare point of agreement.

#174 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-10 07:19 PM | Reply

"But I'd also give him the chance to defend himself somehow if he could."

Best way to do that would be a court but I think the statute of limitations has run out so it will be decided in the court of public opinion. The citizens of Alabama need to decide if they want a perfert representing them in the Senate. And no, I do not think the women are lying, they have nothing to gain. He has a Senate seat to gain by lying.

#175 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-10 07:34 PM | Reply

"Using Bannon's logic that the whole Moore story was cooked up by the media to get Moore, you must also believe the following things:
* The Post convinced four women, who were willing to put their names forward publicly and risk the scrutiny that comes with that decision, to lie about their interactions with Moore when they were teenagers. The Post was able to do this despite the fact that the four women did not know one another. And they did not reach out to the Post in an effort to get their stories told.
* These women created detailed stories about how they met Moore, where he took them on dates and how he sought to make the relationship more romantic or sexual.
* That these women were motivated by political dislike for Moore (or Republicans) to make up these tales. (Worth noting: Leigh Corfman, the woman at the center of The Post story, voted for the Republican nominee in each of the last three elections -- including for Trump in 2016.) Or that they were paid somehow to do it. Or they just lied to lie. Or something.
* More than two dozen other people who helped corroborate the Post story were also in on this ruse. (The Post said it interviewed more than 30 people who said they knew Moore between 1977 and 1982, which is when these episodes allegedly took place.) That's a whole lot of people to organize into a grand scheme to lie about Moore's sexual misconduct.
Is all of that possible? I mean, I guess? But holy cow does it require a series of massive leaps. "
www.cnn.com

#176 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-10 07:47 PM | Reply

SrH! youtu.be
Hannity's "objectionable" defense flails while his client incriminates himself.
--Hannity is OT-8 Scientologist. SrH.--
OT VIII (Operating Thetan Level 8 is the highest current auditing level in Scientology. OT VIII is known as "The Truth Revealed" and was first released to select high-ranking public Scientologists in 1988, two years after the death of Scientology's founder, L. Ron Hubbard. LrH.

#177 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-11-10 11:16 PM | Reply

How about we invite the four women and Mr. Moore in for a polygraph. That would solve this quickly and efficiently.

#178 | Posted by rukiddin at 2017-11-11 07:22 AM | Reply

How about all honest people demand that Moore step out of the race for Senator before we have a known pervert in the U.S. Senate. If he is elected I will always refer to him in the future as Sen. Pervert. Just imagining this pervert with a 14 year old makes me feel like vomiting.

#179 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-11 08:10 AM | Reply

"If he is elected I will always refer to him in the future as Sen. Pervert. Just imagining this pervert with a 14 year old makes me feel like vomiting." - #179 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-11 08:10 AM

And, Danni, it is not like if he's elected he'll sit quietly in the back row, keeping his mouth shut.

Nope. And every time he opens his mouth reporters will ask whatever Republican senator is nearby, "What do you think of Senator Pervert's latest comment?"

The GOP's daily nightmare and every incumbent GOP office holder's terror.

#180 | Posted by Hans at 2017-11-11 08:24 AM | Reply

Republicans are going to vote for the pedophile.

#163 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

ahem, make that a racist, christian pedophile.

#181 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-11 08:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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