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Thursday, November 09, 2017

A bipartisan group of lawmakers have launched a new caucus in the House of Representatives to honor and raise awareness of the more than 100 million people killed under communist regimes.

Representatives Dennis Ross (R., Fla.), Marcy Kaptur (D., Ohio), Dan Lipinski (D., Ill.), and Chris Smith (R., N.J.) announced the creation of the Victims of Communism Caucus Tuesday, on the 100th anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution in the Soviet Union. The White House also released a statement designating Nov. 7 as the National Day for the Victims of Communism, promising to continue to "shine the light of liberty for all who yearn for a brighter, freer future."

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Communism (and it's similar ideologies) may be the worst human tragedy in the history of mankind.

It's great to see a few Democrats on board with this, especially during a year in which the NYT is hell-bent on whitewashing and even romanticizing Communism.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 01:06 PM | Reply

especially during a year in which the NYT is hell-bent on whitewashing and even romanticizing Communism.

They've been doing that since the 30s, when they whitewashed Stalin's deliberate starvation of the Ukraine and the Moscow show trials that executed thousands of his bolshevik comrades. They even got a Pulitzer Prize for their Goebbels-like propaganda.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-09 01:58 PM | Reply

Not real communism of course, just the corrupt regimes that claim to be communist.

Will the 205 million killed by capitalism get a victimhood caucus?

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-09 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not real communism of course, just the corrupt regimes that claim to be communist.

Distinction without a difference, they are talking about the regimes, not the utopian ideal.

Nice try at a deflection, however.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 02:06 PM | Reply

Not real communism of course, just the corrupt regimes that claim to be communist.

Communism requires totalitarianism.

Will the 205 million killed by capitalism get a victimhood caucus?

#3 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Can you source that claim? Also, are you suggesting that Capitalist countries are actually worse than Communist countries?

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 02:10 PM | Reply

Not real communism of course,

No True Scotsman fallacy, the favorite of communist apologists.

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-09 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Also, are you suggesting that Capitalist countries are actually worse than Communist countries?"

I think he said they're better. At killing people

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 02:23 PM | Reply

"Also, are you suggesting that Capitalist countries are actually worse than Communist countries?"
I think he said they're better. At killing people

#7 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Which is why I asked for a citation.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 02:26 PM | Reply

Nice try at a deflection, however.
#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

That's not a deflection. He was actually addressing the topic of the thread. Which is communisim.

Here's a deflection: "Of course the Nazi lovers need to distract Americans from the white supremacist alt right movement by channeling the Ghost of Stalin. Let us know when you have anything worthy of discussion."

Bringing up "Nazis", "white supremacy", and the alt right" are all deflections from the topic of the thread. Just like bringing up Bill Clinton or Hillary or Obama, on a thread about Trump is deflection.

It's deflecting from, changing discussion from, the topic of the thread. You're using deflection when the posters is disagreeing with the message.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 02:43 PM | Reply

Have to ask... who cares?

With all the issues going on, WHY are we focusing on this?

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 02:46 PM | Reply

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the favorite of communist apologists.

There are such people as communists? And pretending they don't exist is their favorite form of apology?

You realize Marxism isn't communism, right?

Distinction without a difference, they are talking about the regimes, not the utopian ideal.

That is the difference. The philosophy behind communism and the way different regimes claiming to be communist utilize it are completely different.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 03:00 PM | Reply

Have to ask... who cares?

With all the issues going on, WHY are we focusing on this?

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag

To distract the populace that's all.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-09 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Will the 205 million killed by capitalism get a victimhood caucus?

This was the deflection Clown, not the True Scotsman fallacy, as Andrea noted.

Marxism was seen as a necessary step to get to the Communist utopia, the so-called Communist regimes (which are the subject of the article) were Marxist but co-opted the name Communist to gain credibility.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 03:26 PM | Reply

You realize Marxism isn't communism, right?

Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto but he wasn't a communist? Whatever, dude.

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-09 03:28 PM | Reply

With all the issues going on, WHY are we focusing on this?

Good question.

Perhaps it's a genuine interest in acknowledging the death brought on by dictators.

But more likely its to distract from something else in the news.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So the Great Recession and the Great Depression were true Capitalism. Not crony capitalism, or caused by government meddling, or some other reason?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Have to ask... who cares?
With all the issues going on, WHY are we focusing on this?

#10 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

We're at the 100 year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution.

It's important to remember (and never forget) the unimaginable human suffering that Communism extolled.

That over half of Millenials think Socialism is preferable to Capitalism tells me we've failed miserably in this department.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 04:13 PM | Reply

So the Great Recession and the Great Depression were true Capitalism. Not crony capitalism, or caused by government meddling, or some other reason?

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What does that have to do with anything?

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 04:14 PM | Reply

JeffJ. You'll have to ask a True Scotsman.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 04:15 PM | Reply

"It's important to remember (and never forget) the unimaginable human suffering that Communism extolled."

Come now. Irs just as important to remember "There were good people on both sides."

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 04:21 PM | Reply

That over half of Millenials think Socialism is preferable to Capitalism tells me we've failed miserably in this department.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 04:13 PM | Reply

Can't have one without the other. When you condemn one you condemn the other.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-09 04:22 PM | Reply

Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto but he wasn't a communist? Whatever, dude.
#14 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Communism. The theoretical, political, and ideological philosophy existed before Marx took it and created Marxism.

But hey. If it makes you feel better about the alt right, white supremacist, Nazi movement in America, then so be it.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 04:24 PM | Reply

www.vox.com

Why capitalism can't survive without socialism

"We think of capitalism as being locked in an ideological battle with socialism, but we never really saw that capitalism might be defeated by its own child -- technology."

This is how Eric Weinstein, a mathematician and a managing director of Peter Thiel's investment firm, Thiel Capital, began a recent video for BigThink.com. In it he argues that technology has so transformed our world that "we may need a hybrid model in the future which is paradoxically more capitalistic than our capitalism today and perhaps even more socialistic than our communism of yesteryear."

Which is another way of saying that socialist principles might be the only thing that can save capitalism.

Weinstein's thinking reflects a growing awareness in Silicon Valley of the challenges faced by capitalist society. Technology will continue to upend careers, workers across fields will be increasingly displaced, and it's likely that many jobs lost will not be replaced.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-09 04:26 PM | Reply

"That over half of Millenials think Socialism is preferable to Capitalism tells me we've failed miserably in this department."

All it shows is Millennials don't see much to love about a system where "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

The thing I can't quite figure out is why people in households earning less than 200k a year think it's so great.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

All it shows is Millennials don't see much to love about a system where "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

People move about the income brackets all of the time.

My dad is a multi-millionaire, yet he's not in the top income quintile any more. You overuse that statistic.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 04:54 PM | Reply

I'd use the wealth quintiles but it's not reported.

At least with the CIA nobody says they don't believe it.

And people don't move across brackets all the time. Of course since you didn't provide a source why should I even believe you?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 05:04 PM | Reply

JeffJ would you like to take a stab at why people outside the top quintile defend an economy that lavishes its riches almost exclusively on the top quintile?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 05:05 PM | Reply

I'm surprised at you snoofy: you know about income distribution since 1975 when America began to de-industrialize and off-shore thanks to globalization. Tell, do you still support globalization?

#28 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-09 05:57 PM | Reply

Marxism was seen as a necessary step to get to the Communist utopia, the so-called Communist regimes (which are the subject of the article) were Marxist but co-opted the name Communist to gain credibility.

Absolutely agree with you on this.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-09 06:01 PM | Reply

"when America began to de-industrialize"

When America began to automate. We still have industry, it just requires fewer workers.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 06:14 PM | Reply

#30 snoofy, you remind me of the Rubiks Cube I bought when I was 13: just scramble the colors and... your're screwed. There doesn't seem to be any way to figure it out. It's like some kind of endless miracle puzzle. Also, no matter what you do, it just seems to get worse....

Tell me again how we just started to automate in 1975. Tell me why that's different that the six million factory jobs we shipped overseas since NAFTA? How many jobs did automation kill since NAFTA, by comparison? And if automation was so effective, why ship the jobs overseas to workers lucky to make $1 an hour?

#31 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-09 06:34 PM | Reply

HATERS LOSERS TAKERS MORONS

#32 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-11-09 06:37 PM | Reply

"And if automation was so effective, why ship the jobs overseas to workers lucky to make $1 an hour?"

Because automation is also expensive.
Not much ROI in automating a job you can have done for ten bucks a day. Eveb if there is, the upfront costs will be enormous.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 06:43 PM | Reply

"the Rubiks Cube I bought when I was 13: just scramble the colors and... your're screwed."

I used my allowance to get the cube, plus once I realized it was impossible, the book that teaches you how to solve it. I could solve that badboy in under a minute once I got good at it.

But our neighbor, he was something else. He was a topologist at the University. He had his wife scramble it and over the next two weeks he worked out a solution on a yellow legal pad. Guy was a hardcore nerd, even had a HeathKit TV like Sitz probably has in the garage someplace.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 06:48 PM | Reply

I'm not that old and I don't like soldering.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-09 07:16 PM | Reply

#33 snoofy, we've been down this path before. Explain Germany, which has more industrial workers than the USA, but also a much higher level of automation. That actually is because of government policy, specifically the VAT, which tends to level the playing field between cheap imported goods made by slaves and goods produced locally for a middle class wage.

#36 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-09 07:36 PM | Reply

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