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Wednesday, November 08, 2017

California's NAACP is pushing for state lawmakers to support a campaign to remove "The Star Spangled Banner" as the country's national anthem.

The group says the song, which has been a point of controversy in the NFL, is "one of the most racist, pro-slavery, anti-black songs in the American lexicon," The Sacramento Bee reported Tuesday.

The NAACP's California chapter last week reportedly sent out two resolutions, which had been passed at the organizations state conference last month.

One of the resolutions was to support the removal of the anthem, while the other is an effort to get the NFL to fit former player Colin Kaepernick onto a team.

Kaepernick, a former San Francisco 49ers quarterback, was the first NFL player to kneel during the national anthem, which is typically played before games.

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Dream On, by Aerosmith, would be pretty cool.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-08 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How did "The Star Spangled Banner" become "one of the most racist, pro-slavery, anti-black songs in the American lexicon"?

Dude who said that needs a good psychiatrist.

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-08 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The Star Spangled Banner is just so damn long. Top Gear has a great segment on long anthems:

www.youtube.com

I'd be fine with that, Sheep.

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-08 07:25 PM | Reply

"The Star-Spangled Banner" is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom. Perhaps that's why it took almost 100 years for the song to become the national anthem. www.theroot.com

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-08 07:37 PM | Reply

Any momentum the Dems might have is going to dissipate like a fart in the wind with this kind of crap.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-08 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Have long thought of "America the Beautiful" as a suitable replacement.
Although there's always "Ina-Gadda-Da-Vida."

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-11-09 07:14 AM | Reply

Any momentum the Dems might have is going to dissipate like a fart in the wind with this kind of crap.

#5 | POSTED BY JPW

Yep

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 10:27 AM | Reply

There's only 1 suitable anthem, and it's Notorious Big - Gimme The Loot. Nothing more American than that.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-09 11:10 AM | Reply

Any momentum the Dems might have is going to dissipate like a fart in the wind with this kind of crap.

#5 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2017-11-08 11:16 PM

Congrats JPW, you have won the Coveted Moment of Clarity Award (tm) for today!

Keep up the good work, and thanks for playing!

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-09 11:28 AM | Reply

It's okay to say NAACP. It's an acronym.

But, if you say the words out loud, especially if you leave out the NAA, you're racist.

#10 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-11-09 01:24 PM | Reply

Is your favorite band NWA?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 01:27 PM | Reply

"Any momentum the Dems might have is going to dissipate like a fart in the wind with this kind of crap."

I agree. I say it's because our country, and especially white men, are simply not receptive to a call acceptance our nation's blatantly racist tendencies.

See Also: Civil War Statue "debate."

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 01:30 PM | Reply

"I agree. I say it's because our country, and especially white men, are simply not receptive to a call acceptance our nation's blatantly racist tendencies."

And yet foreigners continue to flood this country...what does that's at about everywhere else?

You're an American I presume, and you may have done a little travelling abroad. But I doubt you've seen real, no-kidding, institutional racism or other form of discrimination. It always floors me at how chauvinistic European men are, even while most come off as being relatively feminine to a Yank like me.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-09 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But I doubt you've seen real, no-kidding, institutional racism or other form of discrimination."

I see it when I compare black household to white household median wealth.

What do you see when you see blacks with six cents on the dollar to whites?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 05:15 PM | Reply

"And yet foreigners continue to flood this country...what does that's at about everywhere else?"

It says our immigrants are richer than our blacks?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 05:16 PM | Reply

"The Star-Spangled Banner" is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom.

#4 | Posted by snoofy

For the British. That is funny sno. You are a hoot.

#16 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-09 05:54 PM | Reply

I see it when I compare black household to white household median wealth.

What do you see when you see blacks with six cents on the dollar to whites?

#14 | Posted by snoofy

You just might look into that a little deeper sno. Selling drugs pays well but it isn't reported to the tax guys. Welfare doesn't pay much and that is reported.

#17 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-09 05:57 PM | Reply

By the way, MadB, I see some racism in #17 too.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 06:16 PM | Reply

"I see it when I compare black household to white household median wealth."

What do you see when you compare Asian household wealth and white household wealth?

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-09 09:02 PM | Reply

"By the way, MadB, I see some racism in #17 too."

It's almost like he said "I'll have those n!&&ers voting Democrat for two-hundred years"

You know who said that, right?

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-09 09:10 PM | Reply

"What do you see when you compare Asian household wealth and white household wealth?"

That Asian immigrants outperform White "natives?"

Immigrants are the cream of the global crop. Americans, not so much.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 09:13 PM | Reply

"You know who said that, right?"

Am I supposed to be seeing "real, no-kidding, institutional racism or other form of discrimination" just because someone used The N Word?

Is that what you see??? LOL!

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 09:15 PM | Reply

"That Asian immigrants outperform White "natives?" Immigrants are the cream of the global crop. Americans, not so much."

And that's racist???

Still awaiting an answer on #20

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-09 09:19 PM | Reply

"And that's racist?"

Speaking of what's racist,

If you have an explanation for why the average black household has six cents on the average white household dollar, please go ahead and tell us.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 09:30 PM | Reply

If you have an explanation for why the average black household has six cents on the average white household dollar, please go ahead and tell us.

#24 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Please summarize what has caused that to happen.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-09 09:35 PM | Reply

Here is my summary:
Racism.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 09:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

snoofy, why has black household income been declining since the 1950's, and continued to decline even after the Civil Right Act of 1964, the EEOC, and affirmative action? And continues to decline today, in a far, far less racist environment?

#27 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-09 09:43 PM | Reply

"And continues to decline today, in a far, far less racist environment?"

So, still racist?
JeffJ might have to bow out if you keep this up!

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 09:46 PM | Reply

Maybe it has something to do with when Lyndon Banes Johnson (D-TX) said "I'll have these N!&&ers voting Democrat for 200 years.

Maybe he succeeded.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-09 09:55 PM | Reply

So you do in fact think mere utterance of The N Word causes "real, no-kidding, institutional racism or other form of discrimination."

Well, you're wrong.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 09:59 PM | Reply

#28 snoofy, Barack Obama said that racism is far less of a problem today that it was back when he was a teen-ager. But hey, I get it, you have Obama Derangement Syndrome, so of course you think he was lying.

Also, I would like to second his opinion. Racism was seriously on the decline in America until people starting dusting off old 1930's German Communist propaganda like "Critical Theory", and bringing it all back. That's on you, dude.

#31 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-09 10:13 PM | Reply

"So you do in fact think mere utterance of The N Word causes "real, no-kidding, institutional racism or other form of discrimination."

I do when it's uttered by the sitting President of the US...who just happens to be a member of the Democrat Party.

It'd be hard not to.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-09 10:17 PM | Reply

Suddenly..Snoofy is off-air.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-09 11:14 PM | Reply

"Racism was seriously on the decline in America until people starting dusting off old 1930's German Communist propaganda like "Critical Theory"

Is that the theory that explains why black households have six cents on the dollar?

Tell me more.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 11:20 PM | Reply

"Is that the theory that explains why black households have six cents on the dollar?"

What do Asian households earn...on the dollar...just out of curiosity...

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-09 11:27 PM | Reply

Deflect more.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 11:32 PM | Reply

Also, I already answered; modern immigrants are the cream of the global crop; descendants of slaves not so much.

So. Why?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-09 11:34 PM | Reply

#37 In the 19th century, Italians and the Irish where marginalized into racial ghettos. Crime rates soared. Also, Asians. Later, it was Hispanics, but today a third generation Hispanic family makes as much as a white family.

What IS different about blacks?

My guess would be the disintegration of the black family, which we never saw in our Catholic imports (Italian, Irish, Hispanic), but is definitely a phenomena that is getting worse. Today, 83% of black households are on welfare. Seventy percent of black children are bastards. When I was in jail, it was always the same old story: I grew up in a broken home.

Do you have a solution to that?

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-09 11:49 PM | Reply

"Is that the theory that explains why black households have six cents on the dollar?"

Massive immigration of slave labor
admin.americanthinker.com

and decline of two parent families ...

In the 1950s, after at least seventy years of rough parity, African American
marriage rates began to fall behind white rates. In 1950, the percentages
of white and African American women (aged fifteen and over) who were
currently married were roughly the same, 67 percent and 64 percent,
respectively. By 1998, the percentage of currently married white women
had dropped by 13 percent to 58 percent. But the drop among African
American women was 44 percent to 36 percent -- more than three times
larger.4 The declines for males were parallel, 12 percent for white men, 36
percent for African American men.
www.hoover.org

Why you ask .... Liberal policies, putting African Americans in "projects", no-fault divorce, no enforcement of child support, the idea that a single parent family is no different than two parents ...

This continues today ... only worse as illegal immigration has forced African Americans into the poorest of areas ....

You mention the 70's, as a good time, yet see no issue with the huge massive cheap labor immigration influx, nor destruction of the African American families since then.

You want to blame racism ..... sad really as racism won't address the issue.

#39 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-10 12:05 AM | Reply

"My guess would be the disintegration of the black family, which we never saw in our Catholic imports (Italian, Irish, Hispanic)"

"disintegration"

Another word for that is segregation.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:06 AM | Reply

"Today, 83% of black households are on welfare."

That seems a bit much, when blacks make up less than 40% of the recipients. May I please get a link?

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-10 12:07 AM | Reply

"Massive immigration of slave labor"

So, this policy, we'll just take you at your word that it exists, the one that keeps black families so poor, is it systemic racism?

Also, this policy can't fully explain why blacks never had parity in the first place.

And it rather hilariously blames massive immigration of slave labor, when in fact blacks are the true descendants of massive immigration of slave labor.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:09 AM | Reply

"You want to blame racism ..... sad really as racism won't address the issue."

You're not blaming racism? You think the liberal policies are not racist? What about the conservatives who allow them to persist then?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:12 AM | Reply

#41 40% of recipients are black, despite making up up 13% of the population? Finding real stats on google is hard. I'll try yahoo....

#44 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 12:26 AM | Reply

"40% of recipients are black, despite making up up 13% of the population?"

Well, we were still on whether or not 83% of black households are on welfare.

"Finding real stats on google is hard."

Just go to where you got that "fact".

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-10 12:31 AM | Reply

Just found out 55% of single mothers are on welfare. Still looking for the source of the 83% though.

www.cnsnews.com

#46 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 12:41 AM | Reply

Just go to where you got that "fact".

Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-10 12:31 AM | Reply

It's dark musty and scary up there.

#47 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-10 12:47 AM | Reply

#45 Dude, I read that years ago. If it's not on the internet today, it's buried under google or no longer available. You do realize that happens to stories on the internet, right? Like that time we argued about the story I read on the two "gay genes" on the X chromosome. You where like "There was no such article! All that exists is on the internet!"

Well dude, it doesn't work like that. I've been reading books and magazines from long before there was an internet, and many of the science things I've read don't have an internet presence. Also, news outlets don't exactly keep a complete archive (just like DR doesn't keep an archive for more than a little while).

You do understand how the future works, right?

#48 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 12:49 AM | Reply

"hen I was in jail, it was always the same old story: I grew up in a broken home.
Do you have a solution to that?"

Yeah. We should stop breaking homes.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:51 AM | Reply

"Massive immigration of slave labor
admin.americanthinker.com"

Your link goes to a graph of Mexican immigrants.
Not even illegal immigrants.
Just Mexicans.

So, where's the "slave labor" part?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:53 AM | Reply

Also, snoofy says black households have 6% of the wealth what white households have. And I know you always agree with snoofy. So why do you disagree with the 83% welfare rate?

#51 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 12:56 AM | Reply

"Please summarize what has caused that to happen.
#25 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

I gave you my summary; what's yours?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 01:22 AM | Reply

#49 "Yeah. We should stop breaking homes."

I'll bite. How are "we" breaking homes?

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 01:49 AM | Reply

War on Drugs, for starters.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 01:50 AM | Reply

#54 So... black people are all drug abusers. Got it.

I'm starting to think that there is a single SJW Boss Monster that control's all SJW thought. I mean, I've read a lot of Aleister Crowley and Anton LeVay, and you can sum up their books by saying "these men desire power over fools".

Exactly how does that help? The only useful reason I can think of to manipulate stupid people is to get them to move out of the way so that rational people can have a real discussion.

I just don't understand it. So when people started to fall for re-hashed Communist propaganda like "Critical Theory", I was like "Who is doing this?"

My best bet is that it's the Chinese. I've actually read The Peoples Daily in it's print form, going back into the late eighties, and they have been constantly pushing that racial narrative. The Russians not so much. But it is definitely a part of Communist brainwashing.

#55 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 02:28 AM | Reply

"#54 So... black people are all drug abusers. Got it."

Yeah. Nice troll. So subtle.

You already said it's less racist now.

So I'm not sure why you're having such a hard time acknowledging it's still racist now.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 02:53 AM | Reply

#56 Okay genius, how is the black out-of-wedlock birthrate of 70% due to the War on Drugs? How did Nixon destroy the black family when the disintegration started in the early 1950's?

#57 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 03:07 AM | Reply

Are you trying to argue it's not still racist now?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 03:37 AM | Reply

I hate to cite Cato, but when even these hidebound libertarian ideologues can figure it out, then maybe you can too.

The War on Drugs destroys
black families. It has become
a norm for black
children to grow up in single-parent
homes, their fathers away in
prison for long spells and barely
knowing them. In poor and working-class
black America, a man and
a woman raising their children together
is, of all things, an unusual
sight. The War on Drugs plays a
large part in this. It must stop.
object.cato.org

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 03:41 AM | Reply

It happened 47 years ago. How does that contribute to the continuing disintegration? Also, the Drug War is a symptom, not a cause. snoofy, you had a two-parent household with a helicopter mom, you don't know what it's like to grow up in a broken home. That actually leads to criminality.

But I understand - you feel guilty because your loving parents did their best to give you the best start possible. And not everybody gets that advantage. But strangely, you have misdirected your energies from something that would help, like bringing high paying jobs back, to something that is insane, "Critical Theory", which doesn't actually seem to do anything at all but create division and hatred.

#60 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 03:49 AM | Reply

#59 Yeah, that sounds exactly like the Cato Institute - blame everything on Refer Madness. I agree that the War of Drugs must stop, but it by far not the biggest contributing factor.

#61 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 03:52 AM | Reply

So Cato can figure it out, but you can't?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 03:53 AM | Reply

"you don't know what it's like to grow up in a broken home."

Did you really not get the part where waging a war on drug users breaks up homes?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 03:54 AM | Reply

#63 Yeah, I get that part. Do you know how many black people people actually have drug convictions? Since only about 9% of black people use drugs, I would say the number is pretty damn small. But hey, believe in all the Cato BS you want to.

#64 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-10 04:08 AM | Reply

"If it's not on the internet today, it's buried under google or no longer available."

So you're citing a pre-internet factoid?

"why do you disagree with the 83% welfare rate?"

Because it doesn't pass the smell test.

It's simple: either link to a credible source, or admit you have no proof whatsoever for your claim. I remember reading it somewhere, sometime doesn't cut it.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-10 10:23 AM | Reply

"Do you know how many black people people actually have drug convictions?"

Black people's drug convictions aren't uniformly distributed across age and sex, but disproportionately affect young black males, and it's pretty hard to not break homes when you have a policy of sending young black males to prison for using recreational drugs.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 11:15 AM | Reply

"Also, I already answered; modern immigrants are the cream of the global crop; descendants of slaves not so much."

The descendants of Asian immigrants seem to be doing quite well, despite decades of socialist-led oppression.

"You want to blame racism ..... sad really as racism won't address the issue."

It is racism. It goes back to when LBJ passed what he referred to as his "------ bill." It seems clear that the intent was to keep African Americans in their places, even if they could no longer do it legally.

And by the way, this applies to Americans of African descent only. Black immigrants to the US earn 30% more than blacks who were born in this country. Which means the earn abut as much as white americans, within 5-10%.

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-10 12:02 PM | Reply

"The descendants of Asian immigrants seem to be doing quite well, despite decades of socialist-led oppression."

Because their ancestors were successful enough to flee?
So the descendants don't live in socialist-led oppressive countries any more?

"It is racism."

So, it is still racist today. Glad we cleared that up.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:09 PM | Reply

"Black immigrants to the US earn 30% more than blacks who were born in this country. "

Getting back to that whole "cream of the crop" thing.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:09 PM | Reply

"And not everybody gets that advantage. But strangely, you have misdirected your energies from something that would help, like bringing high paying jobs back, to something that is insane, "Critical Theory", which doesn't actually seem to do anything at all but create division and hatred."

If you're depending on division and hatred to retain or increase power, then neither one of those things is bad.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-10 12:14 PM | Reply

"So, it is still racist today. Glad we cleared that up."

Not really. I don't think most members of the Democrat party would accept LBJ's rational as a means of getting votes. I do think that DNC leaders know that they are dependent on these types of policies in order to retain voters. But now it's geared towards keeping a dependent class, regardless of race.

#71 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-10 12:16 PM | Reply

"It is racism."

Your words.

"I don't think most members of the Democrat party would accept LBJ's rational as a means of getting votes."

Who cares what they think? Deflecting to a group you think is terminally deluded isn't helping you back away from your statement.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:19 PM | Reply

"Getting back to that whole "cream of the crop" thing."

But the fact that they are black suggests that your institutional bias against black people is incorrect.

To me, it's more a matter of class. My kids have always had black friends, but they were the children from the same areas and the same backgrounds. My oldest daughter is now in a middle school that is fed by lower-class neighborhoods. And unfortunately, she's becoming less and less trusting of black people in general. Because they don't act like her and her friends do.

She's in all the honors classes, so to a large degree she's shielded from the --------. But now when she has a problem with another student, it's usually someone outside of her honors classes, and she makes it a point to mention that they were African American. Two years ago I don't think she would have consciously made the distinction.

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-10 12:21 PM | Reply

"Who cares what they think? Deflecting to a group you think is terminally deluded isn't helping you back away from your statement."

Which was ----?

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-10 12:21 PM | Reply

Which was what?

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-10 12:22 PM | Reply

"It is racism."

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:24 PM | Reply

"But the fact that they are black suggests that your institutional bias against black people is incorrect.
"

No, because being fresh off the boat, they haven't suffered under generations of American racism, like American blacks have.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 12:25 PM | Reply

"No, because being fresh off the boat, they haven't suffered under generations of American racism, like American blacks have."

Do you think they're children will go back to being poor, once they've lived here?

#78 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-10 12:32 PM | Reply

Never mind...you're just trying to prop up what's mostly a -------- argument. Racism does exist, it always will, but what you're doing is attempting to make some pretty pathetic excuses for poor behavior.

Generations of American racism...Jesus Christ. LBJ is gone, but his racist legacy lives on through people like you.

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-10 12:36 PM | Reply

"Generations of American racism"

When has America not been racist?
The correct answer is: Never.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 01:28 PM | Reply

"Do you think they're children will go back to being poor, once they've lived here?"

I think the socioeconomic status of any American is most strongly predicted by the socioeconomic status of their parents.

What do you think is the strongest predictor?

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-10 01:32 PM | Reply

Generations of American racism...Jesus Christ. LBJ is gone, but his racist legacy lives on through people like you.

#79 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

There was this guy named George Carlin, and he was very good at always pointing out double standards ...

Here's a 1:23 video of Carlin explaining how America was founded on the double standard that you can study up on ... www.youtube.com

#82 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-11-10 01:44 PM | Reply

she's becoming less and less trusting of black people in general. Because they don't act like her and her friends do.
madbomber

your daughter is less trusting of black people in general because they don't act like her?

tell me again about racism!

#83 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-11-10 03:43 PM | Reply

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