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Wednesday, November 08, 2017

Carter Page's testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the transcript of which was released Monday night, was like trying to read a magic eye painting. It is the sort of thing a lawyer -- or, really, any person concerned with your welfare -- would tell you not to say to a congressional committee. Yet, here we are. For anyone who doesn't want to curl up with 243 pages of testimony and footnoted letters, here is pretty much how the thing went, severely condensed.

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Gowdy: Did you tell anyone on the Trump campaign you were going to Russia?

Page: Definitely not.

Gowdy: No?

Page: Not directly.

Gowdy: Not directly?

Page: Well, except for the email, and Jeff Sessions.

Gowdy: Excuse me.

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#1 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-08 01:05 AM | Reply

"Did you tell anyone on the Trump campaign you were going to Russia?"

Depends on what your definition of "tell" is.
~CP

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-08 01:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is HORRIBLE news for Crooked Hillary.

Between this and Wilbur Ross being in business with Putin's kid...

Why hasn't she been indicted???

#3 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-08 05:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

This guy sure sounds like a nutcase, but his stream-of-consciousness responses still read more clearly than a trump transcript.

#4 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-08 02:32 PM | Reply

Gowdy: Did you ever have any conversations that weren't in passing?

Page: Not that I can recall. I move very quickly like a shark, and I stop for no man. To the best of my knowledge, I have never had a conversation with anyone because to me a conversation is when you really say something deep that makes the other person think, and I haven't done that. No. I take it back. Never. Except – well, you know.

Gowdy: Know what?

Page: Once I think I had a deep conversation with a good friend who now works for a state-owned oil company.

Schiff: What? Was it about the sale of Rosneft?

Page: Look, I can't definitively say it wasn't.

Schiff: Uh.

Page: It is possible that while we were watching soccer, just a moment after Ronaldo had made a goal...

#5 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-08 02:35 PM | Reply

Why wasn't he held in contempt of Congress for that "testimony"? He obviously considered the whole thing a
joke.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-08 09:55 PM | Reply

#5 Indianajones

Did you read the full transcript?

#7 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-08 09:55 PM | Reply

Mr. Gowdy: "Do you have any evidence, including yourself, include yourself in the response, any evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian Government to access John Podesta or the DNC email accounts?"

Mr. Page: "I have no evidence at all."

Mr. Gowdy: "Do you have any evidence between any member of the Trump campaign, official or unofficial, including yourself, to disseminate the information gathered as a result of those intrusions into, again, the DNC server and the Podesta emails?"

Mr. Page: "I do not."

#8 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-08 10:15 PM | Reply

Have any of you seen this guy speaking? Saw him on msnbc a day or two ago, his eye lids nearly touch where his hairline should be. My guess was amphetamines. Might explain the free association pattern of his speech. Didn't take note of signs of teeth grinding though.

#9 | Posted by b_al at 2017-11-08 10:18 PM | Reply

#9 B_AL

I heard a few clips. He sounds like a paranoid conspiracy nut.

#10 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-08 10:19 PM | Reply

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#10

Makes sense. Trump surrounds himself with the worst of America.

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-09 12:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It'll be interesting to see how many people read this article and use the author's words as actual Page quotes, like people quoted Tina Fey and attributed it to Snow Barbie.

#12 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-09 08:00 AM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Except those other parts where he admitted collusion...

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-09 09:13 AM | Reply

Mr. Page: "I have no evidence at all."

Which in lawyer speak means he has nothing on him at that particular time and space.

The guy was obviously up to his neck in collusion or attempted collusion. His attempts at deflecting the discussion backfired almost every time.

His free association rambling is like some one who just smoked a fatty or who recently took LSD. Or maybe he is just insane.

It is also very interesting how Gavaster believes him and can somehow understand everything he said and meant.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-09 10:01 AM | Reply

Did you read the full transcript?

#7 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Hell no. That would br an incredible waste of time. Here's the sum of it;sometimes you're so guilty your best bet is to convince them you're insane.

#15 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-09 10:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Here's the sum of it;sometimes you're so guilty your best bet is to convince them you're insane."

Pretty much. Page is no dummy, and his playing one now is just a ruse:

Page graduated in 1993 from the United States Naval Academy; he was a Distinguished Graduate (top 10% of his class) and was chosen for the Navy's Trident Scholar program, which gives selected officers the opportunity for independent academic research and study. During his senior year he worked as a researcher for the House Armed Services Committee. He served in the Navy for five years, including a tour in western Morocco as an intelligence officer for a United Nations peacekeeping mission. In 1994, he completed a master of arts degree in National Security Studies at Georgetown University.

After leaving the Navy, Page completed a fellowship at the Council on Foreign Relations and a master of business administration degree from New York University. . . .Page has also instructed and lectured at the college level. In 2012, he received his PhD from the University of London. He ran an international affairs program at Bard College, and taught a course on energy and politics at New York University.

en.wikipedia.org

And that's just his educational background. If you go to link, you can read about his professional experience as an investment banker and about all his ties to Russian energy corporations.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 11:38 AM | Reply

Here's how Page is capable of speaking when he wants to be understood:

THE LECTURE OF TRUMP'S ADVISOR CARTER PAGE IN MOSCOW

www.bing.com

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 11:41 AM | Reply

#14 & #16

Testifying before Congress is a one way street. They ask all the questions and you don't really get to cross examine yourself. A prosecutor can introduce a line of questioning that gives the jury one impression and a defense attorney is tasked with clarifying the responses by asking more informative questions that provide you the complete picture. When you're the one testifying acting as witness and defense you always come across as dodgy. If someone I once worked with on a committee had been charged with lying to the FBI days before I testified before Congress under oath you bet your ass I'd be cover every possible nuance of a question.

And Donner, "I have no evidence at all" has no limitations. There is no qualifier in there. He didn't say at this time, or with me, or at the present, or that I know of. He said at all. Full stop.

#18 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 12:03 PM | Reply

Maybe it's just me, but George Papadopoulos and Carter Page both seem to have attempted to leverage their connections and ties in foreign policy to gain position and prestige in the Trump administration. They both read as leaches, like Trump, who were trying to overplay their importance in hopes of gaining an appointment of some kind if Trump won.

#19 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 12:12 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

And sometimes if you only read what the news media says you don't get the full picture. I think Page tried to make himself something he wasn't, got caught up in the Russian investigation (which I think is legit, btw) and now he's screwed. He did all these things to make himself seem like a big player in hopes of gaining a position in the administration and instead he's under investigation by the FBI. Kinda poetic justice.

#20 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 12:20 PM | Reply

And Donner, "I have no evidence at all" has no limitations. There is no qualifier in there. He didn't say at this time, or with me, or at the present, or that I know of. He said at all. Full stop.

Did you expect him to answer yes, and then offer up evidence, which he would have immediately been asked for, to support his affirmation?

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 12:25 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Yes, it is certainly possible that Page acted alone. But when you take into account a decade of the trump family claiming to have serious connections and financial ties to Russia, combine it with the connections people in his campaign have with Russia as well as Russia's actions during the election, it becomes difficult to believe the narrative that trump and his team weren't fully aware of what was occurring.

#22 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-09 12:28 PM | Reply

Maybe it's just me, but George Papadopoulos and Carter Page both seem to have attempted to leverage their connections and ties in foreign policy to gain position and prestige in the Trump administration.

Maybe, or maybe they were picked as go-betweens precisely because Team Trump thought both men could fly below the radar in a way a higher profile figure could not during the operation and then could be disavowed as low-level nobodies after the fact.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 12:34 PM | Reply

#21 - Gal

No, but a direct question with a direct answer either means 1 of 2 things. Carter Page has evidence and lied under oath and is therefore guilty of perjury. Or, Carter Page has no evidence.

Page repeatedly says he was hacked. You've concurred he is in your #16 is an intelligent guy. If someone possess evidence of collusion and suspects that information has already been hacked and shared with the FBI, do you think he would perjure himself? Seems to me an intelligent guy would go to Mueller and flip or make a deal. Only a fool who feels the cats already out of the bag would go full throttle and bold face lie to Congress. Like you said, he ain't no dummy.

#24 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 12:34 PM | Reply

#24 At one point didn't Page offer to give them an email to which Schiff responded, "We already have it." Does it make sense he'd offer to give them something he knew they already had through a hack? Not a whole lot of what he says makes sense to my mind. It's been said he doesn't have a lawyer. Why is that? Does that make sense? Anyone who is under as much scrutiny as he is should have one, even if he is innocent.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 12:42 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

That's why the transcript was worth a read imo. After I read it I think Page was a nobody who wanted to be a somebody. He name dropped and overplayed his importance and role to gain a position and it backfired. The campaign was fully aware he was doing it. He even testifies they told him he was going on his own and not as a campaign representative. That's why Trump, Sessions, and company look guilty as hell, because they keep having to revise their stories. The more likely story, imo, is they already had connections with Russia and some bimbo broadcasting that connection from the rooftops wasn't exactly what they wanted. So they lied and lied again. They had/have connections to Moscow, but Dr. C. Page isn't it.

#26 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The more likely story, imo, is they already had connections with Russia and some bimbo broadcasting that connection from the rooftops wasn't exactly what they wanted. So they lied and lied again.
#26 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

I think you nailed it there.

#27 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-09 12:44 PM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

There was nothing under the radar about Carter Page. He was over the top connected to Russia. His entire life's career is tied to Russia. Carter Page is the absolute worst person you'd want to pick if you were trying to fly under the radar.

#28 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 12:45 PM | Reply

#28 I'm talking in terms of national media spotlight. How many people, outside of the FBI, had heard of Page before Trump named him?

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 12:48 PM | Reply

"Seems to me an intelligent guy would go to Mueller and flip or make a deal."

Do we know he hasn't? They kept the Papadopoulos plea agreement under wraps for months.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 12:50 PM | Reply

"I think Page tried to make himself something he wasn't"

You may be right. Time will tell.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-09 12:52 PM | Reply

#30 - Gal

True, possible. Time will tell. And he has met with the FBI multiple times. We'll have to wait and see. My suspicion is he's not a key player or in possession of the smoking gun. But he may be a useful tool for Mueller in his investigation.

#32 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 12:53 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Probably only beltway pundits.

#33 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 12:55 PM | Reply

"Did you read the full transcript?"

i read about 75% so far.

he's a liar.

#34 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-09 01:27 PM | Reply

#34 - Klifferd

What's your take on the line of questioning?

#35 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-09 01:34 PM | Reply

It's obvious that he's guilty of some serious stuff.

#36 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-09 01:34 PM | Reply

From Rick Wilson's OpEd:

Page didn't just talk the pro-Russian talk; he threw himself into the eager arms of SVR operatives. Like the rest of the Trump world, Page brought a kind of underpants Gnome theory to his bromance with Team Putin. Through some unknown alchemy, he expected to benefit Trump, and gain influence and profit from his Russia foray.

www.thedailybeast.com

#37 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-11-09 02:27 PM | Reply

"I am an expert in the law after taking a mail-order course in what I believe is known as the Law of the Sea, and I know a man must choose his words wisely."

Mail-order course????? This guy is a joke.

#38 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2017-11-10 08:07 AM | Reply

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