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Sunday, November 05, 2017

This week Donna Brazile -- the interim chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) during the 2016 presidential election -- reignited a major controversy regarding the presidential primary between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

In an excerpt from her forthcoming book, Brazile argues that the DNC provided the Clinton campaign with control over important decisions in exchange for financial support. In response, a number of political actors, including Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and President Trump, have argued that this proves that the DNC "rigged" the primary process against Sanders.

In reality, the situation is considerably more complex. Brazile's claims show that two things are true.

First, the DNC preferred Clinton over Sanders, and provided her campaign with power over the committee in exchange for financial support.

Second, while the DNC preferred Clinton, this may have had little impact on the actual outcome of the primaries.

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But whether the DNC actually succeeded in this is far from clear. Clinton received 3.7 million more votes than Sanders did -- and it is questionable that this was due solely to the timing of debates.

For this reason, there is an important difference between the DNC's preferring one of the presidential candidates and its rigging the nomination process.

In short, two things can be true simultaneously: The DNC tried to help Clinton's campaign, but this did not have much impact on whether Clinton won the nomination.

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This should serve as a reminder to all independent liberals.

Stop wasting your vote for these lying, less evil, corporate puppets.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-05 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1

Supports Trump here daily.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-05 12:12 PM | Reply

"Stop wasting your vote for these lying, less evil, corporate puppets."

Putinschism.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-05 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donna Brazile says critics of Hillary Clinton revelations can 'go to hell' - www.theguardian.com

I assume that includes you two.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-05 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I like how you can't read the story unless you subscribe to the newspaper. I don't need to. I remember how they rigged the primary election. I felt bad for Bernie and all his voters. He couldn't overcome the puppy love for Hillary.

#5 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2017-11-05 02:07 PM | Reply

Second, while the DNC preferred Clinton, this may have had little impact on the actual outcome of the primaries.

May have? Why can't it be stated definitively, ie it didn't?

In short, two things can be true simultaneously: The DNC tried to help Clinton's campaign, but this did not have much impact on whether Clinton won the nomination.

Indeed, just as Russia didn't have to directly hack voting machines or manipulate vote tallies to interfere with the election.

It does, however, mean the fox was in control of the hen house, which isn't exaclty heartening for the hens who aren't fans of the fox.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-05 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Come on guys!!

Lincoln Chafee had a clear chance of winning the primaries! I mean the guy had all the positive qualities of a limp noodle.

And Jim Webb? Democrats love voting for NRA spokesmen who come off as angry and frustrated.

Martin O'Malley, good guy. Great at following instructions. Knew he was there to take the fall for Hillary.

Bernie Sanders, aka, unknown independent. He was supposed to be a Chafee. Who knew he'd be such a wild card and take over the DNC. Too bad crooked Hillary was drunk on her own farts and couldn't smell the calls from America for him. Anyone looking at the coverage of his rallies compared to her private parties, could see he was clearly the more popular candidate.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-05 02:20 PM | Reply

It's funny reading posts from people who can clearly see how Russia manipulated the general election.

Yet can't fathom how the DNC could manipulate the primary election.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-05 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Yet can't fathom how the DNC could manipulate the primary election.

Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-05 02:23 PM | Reply

It's protecting the Hillary. NOTHING more.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-05 02:25 PM | Reply

corky's full of excuses for his favorite party.

It was clear right at the start in Iowa that this would not be a cakewalk for Hillary. So the DNC ditched many rural ballots and she pulled out a razor thin victory.

Hillary had more money, control of the DNC, and clean victories in the South where Republican support is the most solid. Voters were purged in Brooklyn and California...

But other than that it was fair...

#10 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-05 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Hillary had more money, control of the DNC, and clean victories in the South where Republican support is the most solid. Voters were purged in Brooklyn and California...

Wait wait wait, you mean being the candidate based on states that you won't win in the general isn't a good thing?

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-05 06:09 PM | Reply

- But other than that it was fair...

You must mean other than the undemocratic caucuses which kept Sanders in the race and from being blown out by more than a 4 million vote land slide?

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-05 10:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It's protecting the Hillary. NOTHING more."

Brazile wanted to replace Hillary/Kane with Biden/Booker if it turned out Hillary was seriously ill after she fainted at the 9/11 ceremony. The DNC also reserved the right to make the same agreement they made with Hillary with other primary candidates. One article I read said that at the time there Hillary signed there was still a question as to whether Biden would enter the race. If he had, I'm pretty sure they would have made the same agreement with him. AS VP he high profile and was someone who would have raised badly needed money for the DNC and for the Democratic party.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-05 10:31 PM | Reply

AS VP he high profile = AS VP he was high profile

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-05 10:32 PM | Reply

RE: #313 from NPR report:

That document [memo] was signed on Aug. 26, 2015 -- before, among other things, Vice President Joe Biden ruled out a run for president.

The DNC has not denied this characterization or timeline.
A Democratic official who has reviewed the document pointed out that in addition to the Clinton signoffs Brazile characterized, it included language stating that "nothing in this agreement shall be construed to violate the DNC's obligation of impartiality and neutrality through the Nominating process" and that "all activities performed under this agreement will be focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary."

The agreement also noted that the DNC "may enter into similar agreements with other candidates."

www.npr.org

I don't think it was so much about advancing Hillary as it was about advancing a Democrat in good standing and one who would help the party. Why would Brazile consider replacing Clinton/Kane with Biden/Booker rather than with Bernie and somebody?

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-05 10:37 PM | Reply

Bernie would've been a great president.

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-05 10:42 PM | Reply

#15 good question.

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-05 10:42 PM | Reply

#16 Well, if Clinton had been too sick to continue, Brazile wasn't going to give him the nomination but override his candidacy for someone who didn't even run:

Former DNC head Donna Brazile says she considered replacing Clinton with Biden as nominee

www.chicagotribune.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-05 10:46 PM | Reply

The democrat Party now has only about 1/3 of the elected offices in the country, and it looks like they are going to loose more. Obama led the party into the wilderness, Hillery emptied the water. If the party is going to survive, they need new leadership, across the board. The party is not going to survive on the votes of trial lawyers, GLBTQ, and leftist academics, or Hollywood. Black and Latino voters do not show up, nether do the young. They need to concentrate on blue collar whites. That used to be the keystone of their power base. I guess social justice and socialism was easier than dealing with Joe Six-Pack.

#19 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-05 10:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL Superdelegates bought due to Obama neglect, and CarlyleClintonCashCaravan ..... pretty much sums it up .....

Good luck on the spin ....

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-05 11:23 PM | Reply

#19 I'm going to demand free beer and ammo be delivered in the mail. I wonder if the DNC will agree to that? Also, maybe a program to reach out to the evangelicals, like free sermons and religious icons. Sort of like what socialism would be like if the right-wing invented it.

I'll bet they go for it.

I think I'll draft my letter.

#21 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-05 11:30 PM | Reply

#21 | Posted by HeliumRat, You will have to use FedEx or UPS, you can't send alcohol or ammo through the US mail.

#22 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-06 11:17 AM | Reply

@rcade... I thought you were rolling out a policy of editing headlines that were outright blatant lies?

Pretty sure you said that in regards to some climate change titles.

#23 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-06 01:51 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday Donna Brazile also said she feared for her life after the murder of Seth Rich, shouldn't you be asking why she felt so?

#24 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-06 04:06 PM | Reply

If the DNC did not rig the primaries, why is Senator Elizabeth Warren lying to the American people?

#25 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-06 05:41 PM | Reply

#25 She was the People's Princess, stolen by the rigged EC, but won 4 million hearts more in a landslide of love.

#26 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-06 10:22 PM | Reply

Brazile: I found no evidence Democratic primary was rigged

Following Donna Brazile's claim that Hillary Clinton's campaign bankrolled the Democratic National Committee during the 2016 presidential election, the former interim chair of the DNC says she found "no evidence" the Democratic primary was rigged.

"I found no evidence, none whatsoever," she told ABC's "This Week."

www.cnn.com

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-06 10:32 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday Donna Brazile also said she feared for her life after the murder of Seth Rich, shouldn't you be asking why she felt so?

Brazile feared the Russians after it was made known they had hacked the DNC:

Brazile writes that she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of DNC data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance cameras at her home. She wonders whether Russians had placed a listening device in plants in the DNC executive suite.

www.yahoo.com

She loathed the rightwing smear campaign against Rich:

In May, she tweeted, "Seth Rich was a hard worker and proud to be an American. This desire to scar Seth's legacy to his country and party is shameful." About two months later, after Fox News published a since-debunked story about the case, she tweeted, "Seth was a good soul and look at this shameful act."

www.yahoo.com

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-06 10:40 PM | Reply

Brazile behind the scenes on Russian meddling:

At first, Brazile writes of the hacking, top Democratic officials were "encouraging us not to talk about it." But she says a wake-up moment came when she visited the White House in August 2016, for President Obama's 55th birthday party. National security adviser Susan E. Rice and former attorney general Eric H. Holder Jr. separately pulled her aside to urge her to take the Russian hacking seriously, which she did, she writes.

That fall, Brazile says she tried to persuade her Republican counterparts to agree to a joint statement condemning Russian interference but that they ignored her messages and calls.

www.washingtonpost.com

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-06 10:47 PM | Reply

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday Yep, Julian Asauge pointed out three times the risks the leakers take to make these files public and offered a great deal of reward money for the identity of Seth Rich's murderers immediately afterwards. He did every but say that Rich was the souse of the Wikileaks DNC files and Wikileaks never identify their sources.

#30 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-07 09:53 AM | Reply

I think it is very possible there was a mole in the DNC. Was it Seth Rich? Assange saying so isn't enough evidence for me.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-07 10:51 AM | Reply

I think it is very possible there was a mole in the DNC. Was it Seth Rich? Assange saying so isn't enough evidence for me.

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-07 10:51 AM | Reply

Maybe people are FINALLY growing a pair and exposing the Clinton sham machine for what it is.

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-07 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

exposing the Clinton sham machine for what it is.

Didn't you know that the sham machine is a statistical anomaly and is only called that because people feel "oppressed" and "culturally anxious"?

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-07 12:26 PM | Reply

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday, Would video tape or a confession? I doubt it. BTW, in one of the most camera surveillance covered areas in the world, there were no video of that intersection at that hour? I doubt it.

#34 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-11-07 01:52 PM | Reply

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