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It is "extremely likely" that human activities are the "dominant cause" of global warming, according to the the most comprehensive study ever of climate science by U.S. government researchers. The climate report, obtained by NPR, notes that the past 115 years are "the warmest in the history of modern civilization." The global average temperature has increased by about 1.8 degree Fahrenheit over that period. Greenhouse gases from industry and agriculture are by far the biggest contributor to warming. The findings contradict statements by President Trump and many of his Cabinet members, who have openly questioned the role humans play in changing the climate. "I believe that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do," EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt said in an interview earlier this year. "There's tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact."

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That is not consistent with the conclusions of the 600-plus page Climate Science Special Report, which is part of an even larger scientific review known as the fourth National Climate Assessment. The NCA4, as it's known, is the nation's most authoritative assessment of climate science. The report's authors include experts from leading scientific agencies, including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA and the Department of Energy, as well as academic scientists.

The report states that the global climate will continue to warm. How much, it says, "will depend primarily on the amount of greenhouse gases (especially carbon dioxide) emitted globally." Without major reductions in emissions, it says, the increase in annual average global temperature could reach 9 degrees Fahrenheit. Efforts to reduce emissions, it says, would slow the rate of warming.

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Luckily, NPR got a copy before Trump's EPA could quash it.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-02 04:18 PM | Reply

Efforts to reduce emissions, it says, would slow the rate of warming.

So you mean not apathy, like the Right so badly wants us to enact (see what I did there?).

(Cue the "But the sun is the most causative factor; how can we mitigate the sun?!" retorts.)

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-02 04:36 PM | Reply


From the cited article:

...The report has been submitted to the Office of Science and Technology Policy at the White House. Trump has yet to choose anyone to run that office; it remains one of the last unfilled senior positions in the White House staff.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-02 04:56 PM | Reply

How the ---- did this tidbit of truth slip pass the Trumpaganda machine?

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-03 07:49 AM | Reply

Posted by boaz at 2017-11-03 09:18 AM | Reply

The dust bowl says you don't know WTF You are talking about as per the usual.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-03 09:45 AM | Reply

The dust bowl says you don't know WTF You are talking about as per the usual.

What are you talking about Laura? Do you even know? You keep going back to the f*ck)ng dust bowl has nothing to do with what we are talking about. At least even then, we adapted our farming methods to minimize the effect of another dust bowl. And even then, climate changed all by itself without help from humans.

Laura, you cant be dismissing people like that. It makes you look stupid and childish.

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-03 10:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What are you talking about Laura? Do you even know? You keep going back to the f*ck)ng dust bowl has nothing to do with what we are talking about. At least even then, we adapted our farming methods to minimize the effect of another dust bowl. And even then, climate changed all by itself without help from humans.

Laura, you cant be dismissing people like that. It makes you look stupid and childish.

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-03 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Isn't that PRECISELY what you did in this post Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-03 11:45 AM | Reply


@#8 ... I just wonder what man did to stop all the ice ages before man existed. ...

The climate change science does not negate the cycles that the earth has gone through, and is continuing to go through.

What it does say, however, is that the human effects upon climate are over and above those natural changes, and are accelerating the warming changes that may be occurring naturally.

The "ice ages" deflection, btw, was one of the talking points offered by the energy companies in their initial efforts to put misinformation out to sway public opinion away from the climate change science.


...It is "extremely likely" that human activities are the "dominant cause"

Damn, there is proof positive...

Actually, it is not proof positive, and the wording says so.

It is "extremely likely" though.

The catch-22 of the situation is that waiting until it is the "proof positive" you seek will, most likely, take us to the point where the negative effects of climate change are irreversible.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-03 01:51 PM | Reply


My post #11 was meant as a reply to #10, not #8.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-03 01:52 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by Sniper

Damn.

Now that there is some real in depth scientific analysis there by golly.

Man cannot be affecting the environment because, you know... Ice Ages!

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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#10 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Sniper, ingesting large quantities or arsenic is "extremely likely" to kill you.

Would you try it because its "extremely likely" rather than "for sure"?

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 01:59 PM | Reply

Of, not Or

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 02:00 PM | Reply

"It is "extremely likely" that human activities are the "dominant cause"
Damn, there is proof positive."

Hey Dotard,

It is "extremely likely" the sun will come up tomorrow.

But, no one can be "for sure".

Since no one can really be "for sure" so you might as well just kill yourself now.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 02:11 PM | Reply

"How the ---- did this tidbit of truth slip pass the Trumpaganda machine?"

The moderator wasn't paying attention. Likely the same reason why #8 and #17 have not been deleted. AT least not yet. But since we're missing #5, #7, and #10, it safe to assume they will be soon. Along with #18.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-03 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#17 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Are you thinking you are making a point?

"Extremely Likely" is as good we get in science. It's not "a correlation". It's "This is happening and to believe there is another cause is ridiculously stupid of you."

#19 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 03:03 PM | Reply

"The "ice ages" deflection, btw, was one of the talking points offered by the energy companies in their initial efforts to put misinformation out to sway public opinion away from the climate change science."

That just shows you how effective and persistent propaganda actually is.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I thought I posted this earlier, but here is a graphic illustrating future ozone depletion if nothing had been done to mitigate CFCs:

Ozone hole if no kibosh on CFCs

By 2060, the ozone layer would've been almost totally depleted.

#21 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-11-03 03:49 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by Sniper

The problem with people as stupid as you, is you're too dumb to ever see how dumb you are.

Trust me, you're dumb.

It's called the DUNNING-KRUGER EFFECT.

nymag.com

Ever since Donald J. Trump was elected president, David Dunning's phone has been ringing off the hook. Dunning, a social psychologist, is one of the lead authors of "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments," an article in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology based on the results of a study he and a student, Justin Kruger, conducted at Cornell in 1999. As the title suggests, what they found was the existence of a cognitive bias in which the less able people are, the more likely they are to overestimate their abilities. Or as Dunning put it recently over the phone from the University of Michigan, where he now teaches: "People don't know what they don't know."

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sniper if I buy you one share of XOM will you attend the shareholders meeting and ask why their own scientists think CO2 from fossil fuel is warming the globe?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 05:05 PM | Reply

#23 the ice ages are easily explained by a 23,000 year cycle based around axial wobble of the earth.

The ice age argument is terrible for deniers because temperature data shows we're outside that normal cycle. Try again.

#26 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-03 05:08 PM | Reply

"When you have no argument just call me stupid."

You have demonstrated you are quite unintelligent.

Do you deny that?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Changes in solar energy...over 41,000 years. LITTLE slower on a scale of 10,000 than what we are seeing today.

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 05:16 PM | Reply

Man can't be affecting the environment!

Because the Sun!

--Snappy

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 05:25 PM | Reply

Sniper, you're not dumb, just proudly ignorant.

The idiocy of the 'climate has always cycled' has been explained to you on numerous occasions.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-03 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 | Posted by Sniper

No there's no point explaining anything to you. YOu're too dumb to understand any logic or science, as you demonstrate with your "how did the climate change before humans" idiocy.

I don't have time to explain basic science, scientific method, or deductive reasoning to you. Clearly the school system failed you greatly. But the result is you are IMPRESSIVELY stupid, just like every trump chump.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

When I was a kid, I could see blue sky all the way to the horizon. These days, it all washes out to gray. Hell, it's fuzzy looking from one side of the Grand Canyon to the other. You can't tell me that pumping enough crap into the atmosphere to do that isn't having an effect.

#32 | Posted by morris at 2017-11-03 07:49 PM | Reply

You can't tell me that pumping enough crap into the atmosphere to do that isn't having an effect.

That's pretty much where I sit on the whole issue. The way the moon changes colour when flying at night is creepy.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-03 08:24 PM | Reply

Good thing the report is mandated by law or we wouldn't be having this actual science but a bidness friendly, culturally correct lie from the Trump admin instead.

They've proven that just recently with closing down scientists from presenting "disagreeable" science.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-04 12:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"culturally correct"

Nah, call it politically correct. That's what it is. May not be my politics or yours, but it is political correctness.

#35 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-11-04 12:59 AM | Reply

#2

Thanks, your're right. It's just so confusing when social justice is a bad thing, culture IS policy, perception is fact, science is a matter of the opinion of those with vested interests, and political correctness is actually a rwing thingy. I didn't even know what to call it, lol.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-04 01:10 AM | Reply

Sure, Trump is a total dork when it comes to climate change, but you know what? That's an actual living endangered lemming on his head. So he does care.

#37 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-04 01:16 AM | Reply

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but if your name isn't Trump, he doesn't care about you. Even if it is Trump Jr, but you have colluded with Russia in a meeting, he will never have heard of you before.

The only climate change that Trump is worried about is around his hotels in Ireland where he has to spend money to protect them from erosion.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-04 01:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#23 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Changes in solar energy...over 41,000 years. LITTLE slower on a scale of 10,000 than what we are seeing today.

#28 | Posted by Sycophant

Seems like post 23 hit a nerve because someone deleted it.

#39 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-04 01:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Moore is a former Greenpeace activist and one of the founding members, but he parted ways with the environmental group he helped create when they began to adopt opinions that he could not accept from his scientific perspective -- primarily the notion that CO2 emissions are the cause of climate change.

"There's been debate all through the last couple of hundred years in science, about the effect of what are called the ‘greenhouse gases.' And CO2 -- if you believe that the greenhouse gases do what some people say they do -- is a greenhouse gas. Therefore, theoretically, increasing it in the atmosphere would cause some warming," explained Moore, adding, "The problem is there is no actual evidence of that. The only thing we have is this modern warm period that we're in, which is part of a one thousand year cycle of cooling and warming periods going back 3000 years ... . So we are somewhat in the middle of what would be a normal warming period in the earth's climate."

#40 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-04 01:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"So we are somewhat in the middle of what would be a normal warming period in the earth's climate."

"Would be?"
Why isn't it?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-04 02:04 PM | Reply

Stupid Government Reports!

Stupid Government.

I thought we were getting rid of that old thing!

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-04 02:26 PM | Reply

Seems like post 23 hit a nerve because someone deleted it.

#39 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Or maybe it was just tripe?

#40 | POSTED BY SNIPER

All that says in far too many words is "duuuhhh....the climate has always cycled", which is pure garbage.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-04 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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