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Thursday, November 02, 2017

Democrats have been throwing around claims about the tax plan that would increase the average tax on families nationwide earning up to $86,100 by $794.00. In fact, in a series of tweets from various Democratic leaders like Kamala Harris and Jeff Merkley, the Washington Post begins by pointing out their claims which all read similarly, and all making the exact same claim.

WaPo says they traced the claim back to a document put out by the Democratic Policy and Communications Committee (DPCC), which is essentially the communications arm of Senate Democrats. The document laid out the very statistic that Democrats kept repeating about the dreaded tax increase (why the left is suddenly horrified by tax increases is beyond me).

The $794 tax increase factoid was marked as coming from a report by Democrats on the Joint Economic Committee, which WaPo tracked as well.

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I tried to link the Washington Post article but it kept asking to login or subscribe.

Of the other sources that cited the Post article, this one quoted the article more extensively than the others, so I went with Redstate.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-02 01:24 PM | Reply

#1

Try opening Washpo in an Incognito window.... although I didn't find a link to their article in this Red State gusher.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-02 01:30 PM | Reply

Can't find the supposed WasPost article RedState talks about.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-02 01:31 PM | Reply

Politifact had a link to the Post article. That's what I tried to use but when I clicked the link I was asked to login or subscribe.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-02 01:32 PM | Reply

It's linked here, Laura:

www.politifact.com

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-02 01:32 PM | Reply

WaPo:

"In their haste to condemn the GOP tax plan, Democrats have spread far and wide the false claim that families making less than $86,100 on average will face a hefty tax hike. Actually, it's the opposite. Most families in that income range would get a tax cut. Any Democrat who spread this claim should delete their tweets and make clear they were in error.

Four Pinocchios"

Corky used the same math against Bernie. then again, to prove how loved Hillary is.

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-02 01:41 PM | Reply

BTW JeffJ, your pointing this out is typical center-right Evil.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-02 01:42 PM | Reply

Based upon the Redstate piece, it sounds like WaPo tenaciously dug into this to get to the root of it.

Well done.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-02 01:45 PM | Reply

Based on the Headline Fail, one might think that Washpo actually says Democrats are Lying About GOP Tax Plan.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-02 01:58 PM | Reply

Based on the Headline Fail, one might think that Washpo actually says Democrats are Lying About GOP Tax Plan.

#9 | POSTED BY CORKY A

Their fact-checker gave the Democrats 4 Pinochios.

This headline is perfectly accurate.

From Washpo:

In their haste to condemn the GOP tax plan, Democrats have spread far and wide the false claim that families making less than $86,100 on average will face a hefty tax hike. Actually, it's the opposite. Most families in that income range would get a tax cut. Any Democrat who spread this claim should delete their tweets and make clear they were in error.

Please point out the headline fail.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-02 02:02 PM | Reply

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Sure. Saying they're spreading false claims is nothing like accusing them of lying...

You have to be brain damaged.

#11 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-02 02:06 PM | Reply

I'm completely AGAINST the tax changes as proposed.

1. I believe in SALT
2. I support medical tax deductions.

#12 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2017-11-02 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As I have continually said, people need to keep their powder dry until the bill came out, which was today. Now it goes to committee where the real horsetrading will begin.

At least the circling arm flappers on the DR Left can take a momentary break until they figure out the next thing to misplace their outrage on.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-02 02:08 PM | Reply

Saying something they claim is false is not the same as saying they are intentionally, "lying".

And using Washpo in the headline of a Red State article thread, complete with it's own spin, is also misleading.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-02 02:09 PM | Reply

And using Washpo in the headline of a Red State article thread, complete with it's own spin, is also misleading.

#14 | POSTED BY CORKY

I already explained that I couldn't link the Washpo article.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-02 02:10 PM | Reply

Saying something they claim is false is not the same as saying they are intentionally, "lying".

Here is the problem with that:

WaPo fact checkers showed the Democrats their error, and the DPCC said they fixed their claim to make it more clear, however, WaPo noted that the DPCC still hasn't pointed out that most will be getting a tax decrease, not an increase.

"The inaccurate tweets remain," writes WaPo.


So, even after being shown that their claims were false, they still persist with their inaccurate tweets. At this point, they know the tweets are inaccurate, but continue with them anyway. Now they are wilfully spreading false information. In short, they are lying; your attempts to argue semantics notwithstanding.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-02 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In short, they are lying; your attempts to argue semantics notwithstanding.

#16 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-11-02 02:13 PM

Cone on Jeff, you know that here on the DR it's only lying when the GOP does it.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-02 02:15 PM | Reply

"Any Democrat who spread this claim should delete their tweets and make clear they were in error."

they should

but i'm surprised the angry republicans aren't telling themselves to do the same about the non stop lying they have been doing since last year.

trump everyday

#18 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-02 02:22 PM | Reply

they should
but i'm surprised the angry republicans aren't telling themselves to do the same about the non stop lying they have been doing since last year.
#18 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-02 02:22 PM

That's some prime whataboutism there, klifferd

#19 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-02 02:28 PM | Reply

Notice how thinly Corky can shave the garlic, when he's not chopping it wildly into chunks.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-02 02:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#20

Okay, I just burst out laughing at that, well done.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-02 02:31 PM | Reply

Peter King, R from LI, said on Morning Joe that middle-class people (lots of cops and firefighters) in his district, who voted twice for Obama and then for Trump, feel betrayed by the GOP tax plan.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-02 03:00 PM | Reply

#22 How many have read it and how many are basing their opinion on what they've heard from ignoramuses on the news?

#23 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-02 03:03 PM | Reply

Peter King on tax plan (starts around 6:00):

www.msnbc.com

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-02 03:11 PM | Reply

"How many have read it"

Nobody has read it, and that's part of the problem according to King. They [GOP] are trying to do this too fast, as he points out. "This is being rushed through."

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-02 03:13 PM | Reply

We should call this Trump's payback program to donors and himself. To understand the impact of ANY Republican Tax Cut look at what happened to Kansas. A total f....g disaster. Not a single Republican objective was realized. Unemployment spiked. Schools and other services were shuttered. Debt soared. The States credit rating was downgraded.

#26 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-02 04:25 PM | Reply

"Any Democrat who spread this claim should delete their tweets and make clear they were in error."

I agree! As soon as all Republicans delete their false claims and make it clear they were in error.

How many have read it and how many are basing their opinion on what they've heard from ignoramuses on the news?

#23 | Posted by MUSTANG

Have YOU read it? I have tried. It is ten times harder than actually doing my taxes was.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-02 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So. Is the truth that the Republican tax plan is actually worse than the Democrats are saying?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-02 11:07 PM | Reply

how is it that only 8 million households make less than $86,000 annually?

#30 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-11-03 12:11 AM | Reply

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe chuck and nancy would ever lie.

#31 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:29 PM | Reply

I'm completely AGAINST the tax changes as proposed.
1. I believe in SALT
2. I support medical tax deductions.
#12 | POSTED BY DAVETHEWAVE AT 2017-11-02 02:07 PM | FLAG:

Well someone has to pay for Paris Hilton to inherit her unearned money tax free.

Bend over.

#32 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-03 01:12 PM | Reply

What's funny is watching Trump tweet this story out and then in the next tweet lie and say these are the largest tax cuts ever.

#33 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-03 01:13 PM | Reply

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