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Thursday, November 02, 2017

Despite broad consensus about coal's bleak future, a years-long effort to diversify the economy of this hard-hit region away from mining is stumbling, with Obama-era jobs retraining classes undersubscribed and future programs at risk under President Donald Trump's proposed 2018 budget. Trump has promised to revive coal by rolling back environmental regulations and moved to repeal Obama-era curbs on carbon emissions from power plants. What many experts call false hopes for a coal resurgence have mired economic development efforts here in a catch-22: Coal miners are resisting retraining without ready jobs from new industries, but new companies are unlikely to move here without a trained workforce. The stalled diversification push leaves some of the nation's poorest areas with no clear path to prosperity.

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Trump promises coal mining jobs will come back. They won't but it stops former coal workers from seeking retraining. Companies won't move into the area because there aren't trained workers. So coal miners don't have jobs and there are no jobs in the future in coal or other industries because of miners faith in Trump to bring back jobs.

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What many experts call false hopes for a coal resurgence have mired economic development efforts here in a catch-22: Coal miners are resisting retraining without ready jobs from new industries, but new companies are unlikely to move here without a trained workforce. The stalled diversification push leaves some of the nation's poorest areas with no clear path to prosperity.

Interesting take.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-02 12:27 PM | Reply

Coal miners are resisting retraining without ready jobs from new industries,

What new industries?

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-02 12:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You're right Sniper. Coal is as high tech as it gets.

Might as well stop doing science altogether.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-02 12:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Sniper and mookystang dream their sons will grow up to be coal miners

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-02 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There are approx 47 US Govt training/retraining programs available for these people. Unfortunately, since these programs do not have a good 'track record' there is little guarantee that they will lead to employment :(

#5 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-11-02 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"What new industries?"

Software developers are in high demand

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-02 12:49 PM | Reply

"there is little guarantee that they will lead to employment"

whose fault is that?

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-02 12:50 PM | Reply

when MSGT doesn't get the job, its the governments fault

#8 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-11-02 12:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"there is little guarantee that they will lead to employment."

Then maybe they should join the Army.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-02 01:02 PM | Reply

They're just worried that ------ ----------- won't be acceptable if they have to move somewhere else to take a job with there new-fangled skills.

#10 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-11-02 03:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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There are approx 47 US Govt training/retraining programs available for these people. Unfortunately, since these programs do not have a good 'track record' there is little guarantee that they will lead to employment :(

#5 | POSTED BY MSGT

Good job reading the article as to WHY they aren't getting jobs. Its even in the blurb at the top.

#11 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-02 03:57 PM | Reply

"What new industries?"

Do you come here to get educated? Did you know they have new thing called Google? Try it sometime.

Anyway...to answer your question and (even though it seems like a lost cause) to continue the Education of Sniper, Renewable Clean energy like solar power is one.

when it comes to coal and gas  --  two sectors President Donald Trump has promised to bolster through his upcoming executive order on energy regulation  --  clean energy jobs outnumber jobs dealing with those two fossil fuels by 5 to 1.

thinkprogress.org

Last year, the solar industry employed many more Americans than coal, while wind power topped 100,000 jobs. ... The coal industry, which has shed jobs since 2012, primarily due to competition from cheap natural gas, employed just over 160,000 workers nationwide. About 54,000 coal jobs were in mining.

www.nytimes.com

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-02 03:57 PM | Reply

"What many experts call false hopes for a coal resurgence have mired economic development efforts here in a catch-22: Coal miners are resisting retraining without ready jobs from new industries, but new companies are unlikely to move here without a trained workforce. The stalled diversification push leaves some of the nation's poorest areas with no clear path to prosperity.:"
Interesting take.

#1 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You mean Interesting Fact.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-02 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

For the street-price of two Oxy pills, they could catch a Greyhound to Jobsville.

#14 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-02 04:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

We're stuck in more bunk from Trump.

#15 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-02 04:30 PM | Reply

Trump lies are actually hurting real people directly.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-02 04:30 PM | Reply

Why should we help these coal-mining ------ if they are too stupid to help themselves?

#17 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-02 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why should we help these coal-mining inbreds if they are too stupid to help themselves?

#17 | Posted by IndianaJones

They wanted Trump and they got Trump so they got their wish.

Now get back into the mines!

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-02 04:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#18

If we subsidize their lazy asses, Californians should be allowed to walk around "looking for gold" and have the rest of the Union pay for it.

#19 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-02 04:49 PM | Reply

They wanted Trump and they got Trump so they got their wish.
Now get back into the mines!

#18 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Actually, there is no work at the mine. So... it's basically sit around on welfare...that they vote against.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-02 05:02 PM | Reply

Coal miners are resisting retraining without ready jobs from new industries,

What new industries?

#2 | Posted by Sniper

Solar, wind...all the things republicans want to ruin.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-02 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I doubt they really believe these jobs are coming back. It's not the 1st time they've been told this.

#22 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-02 05:21 PM | Reply

What new industries?
#2 | Posted by Sniper

Clearly not new, but the main retraining program is tied to natural gas. New industries most likely refers to solar, wind, and whatever it is they are trying to do with those buoys in the ocean.

Last I heard, coal miners are resisting retraining in natural gas because they are used to jobs that are close to home. Coal mining does't require travel while natural gas piping does. Some folks just want their cake and to eat it too.

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-02 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sniper Arby's employs more Americans than the coal industry.

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2017-11-02 05:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

not much sympathy for these ordinary americans. here, i'm being told the path to the white house is by pandering to these gentlemen.

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-02 05:56 PM | Reply

This retraining has been tried by democrats before it has always failed. They were unable to retrain auto union workers for any new jobs.

In case you dont know they can now turn coal into oil or turn Coal Into Clean Diesel.
The only thing stopping these new industries was Obama.

#26 | Posted by tmaster at 2017-11-02 06:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

In case you dont know they can now turn coal into oil or turn Coal Into Clean Diesel.
The only thing stopping these new industries was Obama.

#26 | Posted by tmaster

Link?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-02 06:35 PM | Reply

The thing stopping this is that the conversion of coal into gas and oil is energy intensive, and produces products that are already available from the oil industry much more efficiently and cheaply.

#28 | Posted by schmanch at 2017-11-02 06:46 PM | Reply

The thing stopping this is that the conversion of coal into gas and oil is energy intensive, and produces products that are already available from the oil industry much more efficiently and cheaply.

#28 | Posted by schmanch

So it's like ethanol for the coal industry, even though repubs are always whining about ethanol.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-02 06:54 PM | Reply

Leave it to Sniper to push for a Nazi technology they invented because it's hard to fight a war when you can't fill up the Panzer at the Sunoco.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-02 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Actually, there is no work at the mine. So... it's basically sit around on welfare...that they vote against.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant

What? Someone better tell Snippy. Seems he was really looking forward to a job in the mines. Trump promised him you know.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-02 07:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is the type of stupid you fools elected with trump:
DOE head Rick Perry says fossil fuels prevent sexual assault, also doesn't know what a fossil fuel is
electrek.co

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-02 08:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Damnit Derek, I'm a coal miner, not a professional film or television actor." - Zoolander's Dad

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-03 12:25 AM | Reply

Wow, a flock of Trump supporters, are found to be generally stupid, ignorant and self-destructive. and stuck in a paradigm that is long past. The problem with the pig farts is they can't seem to wrap their pea brains around the fact that Trumplethinskins promised them that they are still relevant and the fact is they aren't.

Trumplethinskin thinks the world is still populated by only 2 billion people when... in fact... we are living in an 8 billion humans planetary reality. How we use our resources is paramount and complex. Coal is a bad idea on so many levels. Those who want to return to it because the preznit says so ... the same dumb#@¢%$ comfortable acting on the word of a shallow nitwit who can't deal with complex issues. Small minds.

#34 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2017-11-03 04:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump lies are actually hurting real people directly.

#16 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-11-02 04:30 PM | REPLY

That started a long time ago by making their health care unaffordable to get his petulant desires.

#35 | Posted by 726 at 2017-11-03 07:34 AM | Reply

You're right Sniper. Coal is as high tech as it gets.

Might as well stop doing science altogether.

#3 | Posted by snoofy

You could not be that stoopid.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:06 PM | Reply

while wind power topped 100,000 jobs. ..

WOW. there is a huge industry.

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:08 PM | Reply

For the street-price of two Oxy pills, they could catch a Greyhound to Jobsville.

#14 | Posted by SheepleSchism

With 90 some million people NOT even looking for work, where would that be?

#38 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:10 PM | Reply

If we subsidize their lazy asses, Californians should be allowed to walk around "looking for gold" and have the rest of the Union pay for it.

#19 | Posted by IndianaJones

News flash ij... we are not subsidizing them.

#39 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:11 PM | Reply

I'm with Sniper. Jobs are literally non existent, that's why I don't even bother looking.

High five Sniper! Pass the Chee-tos, ask Mom to buy more.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

However, solar and wind power along with electric cars are being subsidized by we the taxpayer.

#41 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:13 PM | Reply

Sniper Arby's employs more Americans than the coal industry.

#24 | Posted by Tor

So, what is your point?

#42 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:15 PM | Reply

#26 | Posted by tmaster

Link?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Don't you even know history from 60 years ago? The Germans were doing that during WWII. There is a plant in ND that is turning coal into natural gas. You need to spend les time on this site and more time learning about the wonders around you.

#43 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:18 PM | Reply

The thing stopping this is that the conversion of coal into gas and oil is energy intensive, and produces products that are already available from the oil industry much more efficiently and cheaply.

#28 | Posted by schmanch

Not true sch.

#44 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 12:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

while wind power topped 100,000 jobs. ..

WOW. there is a huge industry.

#37 | Posted by Sniper

Bigger than the coal industry trump is willing to trash the planet to save.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 01:23 PM | Reply

In case you dont know they can now turn coal into oil or turn Coal Into Clean Diesel.
The only thing stopping these new industries was Obama.
#26 | Posted by tmaster
Link?
#27 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

From TMaster? Ha ha ha.

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 01:24 PM | Reply

However, solar and wind power along with electric cars are being subsidized by we the taxpayer.

#41 | Posted by Sniper

And you think oil and coal are not?

Oh I am so sorry.

I forgot you don't think.

Carry on Comrade.

Taxpayers on the hook for billions in subsidies for fossil fuels on public lands
Study finds $7 billion per year in direct subsidies and tens of billions in liabilities

"Federal subsidies for oil, gas and coal essentially underwrite coastal flooding, severe drought and wildlife extinction," said Taylor McKinnon with the Center for Biological Diversity. "In an era of worsening climate change, fossil fuel subsidies are disastrous public policy -- literally."

priceofoil.org

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tell me in your own words how they are subsidized donnie.

#48 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-11-03 02:41 PM | Reply

"F" the stupid coal mining morons that voted for, "Dotard of Bedmeister"! Coal jobs are not coming back! And wow, some of the people on this thread are off their rocker too. Tmaster, Sniper, looking your way. Honest question for you. Do you think Orange Julius will bring back a large number of coal jobs? By large I mean, more than 5000. Or as I Know, he just sold a bill of goods to a bunch of --------.

#49 | Posted by zelkova at 2017-11-03 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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