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Friday, November 03, 2017

Climbing on Australia's iconic Uluru landmark will be banned from October 2019, local authorities have confirmed. The board of the Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park voted unanimously to end the climb because of indigenous sensitivities. The giant red monolith in the Northern Territory is a sacred site for Aboriginal Australians. Local people have long asked visitors not to climb the outcrop, which was known for many years as Ayers Rock. Signs at the start of the climb ask people to abstain from going up in respect to the traditional law of the Anangu Aboriginal people, the custodians of the land.





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It's their rock, so no problem.

#1 | Posted by bat4255 at 2017-11-03 08:50 PM | Reply

They should do the same for Devil's Tower in Wyoming, but donald is more likely to sell mining permits for it.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-03 08:57 PM | Reply

The time has come
A fact's a fact
It belongs to them
Let's give it back.

How can we dance
When our earth is turning?
How do we sleep
While our beds are burning?

#3 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-11-03 09:13 PM | Reply

I don't know their norms, or their laws, but I always go the slippery slope route.
Maybe this ban makes sense, but what about the next religions' sacred site?

#4 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-03 10:14 PM | Reply

".....but I always go the slippery slope route." Then stay off the mountain please

#5 | Posted by soulfly at 2017-11-03 10:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They don't have to worry about moi climbing it. That's for damned sure.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-03 10:27 PM | Reply

Call me insensitive, I climbed it in 1992 while on leave. When I was there, there were dozens of people, aussie, abo and tourist, that were climbing it. It can be dangerous when wet but it is not that difficult. The views from the top are pretty cool

The local economy is heavily dependent on tourism, it will be interesting to see if the tourist dollars decline enough that they reopen it in a few years.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-04 12:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

+2 Culture +2 Faith +4 Appeal to adjacent tiles is OP.
I don't think ill ever see her in person. 19 hours trapped on a plane is too much. However under some scenario where Jennifer Lawrence invites me to sail on her yacht to Australia/New Zealand, after we visit Milford Sound (+1 Culture +1 Gold +5 Appeal), and after we drive a zillion kilometers to the middle of nowhere to see a rock, you better believe I'm climbing it.

The 'owners' of this rock applied for and received a UNESCO site. At that point doesn't it belong to "us"?
...tells of two tribes of ancestral spirits who were invited to a feast, but were distracted by the beautiful Sleepy Lizard Women and did not show up. In response, the angry hosts sang evil into a mud sculpture that came to life as the dingo. There followed a great battle, which ended in the deaths of the leaders of both tribes. The earth itself rose up in grief at the bloodshed, becoming Uluru.
^^This is what we are being asked to give respect to? No Thanks.

It is a rock, you climb it, it doesn't hurt anyone or anything. Feel free to throw tourists from the top of it for graffiti or nonsense, but if the 'owners' don't want anyone climbing it they should have built a fence rather than a resort hotel.

#8 | Posted by BluSky at 2017-11-04 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Blue Sky misunderstands the UNESCO charter for cultural landscapes. The application that Aboriginal nations submitted asked that the world recognize the land of Uluru as iconically Aboriginal landscape. The world agreed it is "theirs" not ours. If you don't like Rainbow Serpents and Green Ant dreaming stay somewhere where that won't trouble you. Or go there and agree to abide by the rules of the people who give the place meaning. Or go drop a turd in the Vatican just cuz you feel like not respecting people if that's your thing.

#9 | Posted by quo_vadis at 2017-11-05 01:42 AM | Reply

#8 Civ 6 is awesome, Sparta rules.

#10 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-05 06:16 PM | Reply

Civ 6 is awesome, Sparta rules.

Not anymore... my Germans just rolled them up.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-05 06:19 PM | Reply

The world agreed it is "theirs" not ours.
The Aussie's pronounce it "joint-management".
Calling an area a UNESCO World Heritage Site implies a significance to all of humanity. Rather, requesting that a site be formally classified a World Heritage Site, thereby raising its' profile and yearly attendance significantly, puts an obligation on all of humanity to protect and preserve the site. If a Civil War breaks out tomorrow between the rival factions of Aborigines where one denomination claims Namogan, The Lord of Lightning, breaks the clouds with his stone axe to create rain, and the other denomination is willing to kill the children of such believers to purge the heresy (everyone knows Namogan's axe is made of dingo bone), we are charged with preventing them from using Urlulu as a hostage.

This effort began when...

The United States initiated the idea of cultural conservation with nature conservation. The White House conference in 1965 called for a "World Heritage Trust" to preserve "the world's superb natural and scenic areas and historic sites for the present and the future of the entire world citizenry". The International Union for Conservation of Nature developed similar proposals in 1968, and they were presented in 1972 to the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in Stockholm.

This issue of 'native rights' (rights in addition to the the rights the rest of us have) is more important than a rock in the desert.
The Thirty Meter Telescope is nearly 4 years behind schedule. Maybe it will finally go online just in time to spot the next asteroid impact before it kills everyone and everything, maybe it wont. Of the many technical obstacles to overcome between then and now, worrying about the wrath of the Juju Mountain God or some Sleepy Lizard Woman can not be one of them.
All men are free the believe whatever they want. Pray, sing, chisel any particular brand of gibberish you want on the side of a sandstone outcrop, tattoo it all over your body, just don't expect me or anyone else to spend a single second of our lives giving a ----.

Or go drop a turd in the Vatican
Is that a typical thing to do in a church? Climbing a hill in the middle of plain seems a natural thing. This is something common to humans on every Continent in every age, I suggest it goes back to a time before we were even human. I'm 100% certain that if you climb Urlulu you will walk over the footprints of a human just-like-you who took the same path and stood in the same place 10,000 or 20,000 or 30,000 years ago. That kind of experience is important to me, at least as important as a 'natives' belief that I am somehow doing his culture a disrespect. So who 'wins'? Because if i cant climb 'his' rock then he should have to take a ------- row boat across Sydney Harbor.

not respecting people if that's your thing
I respect people. I even sometimes respect particularly interesting blocks of sedimentary rock. I don't necessarily respect myths, legends or stories meant to scare children and help their parents sleep at night.

#12 | Posted by BluSky at 2017-11-05 07:47 PM | Reply

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