Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, November 03, 2017

Clint Watts: A decade ago, al Qaeda in Iraq littered YouTube with violent videos. A few years later, Twitter became a playground for al Shabaab's violent tirades in Somalia and the devastating Westgate shopping mall attack in Kenya. During this same period, I watched from my laptop and cell phone as thousands of young men and women used Facebook, Twitter and later Telegram to join ISIS, helping pave their way to becoming the Islamic State and executing never before seen terrorist attacks on many continents. During that social media research, I encountered Russian influence efforts. In the nearly four years since, I've watched as they've employed social media at a master level to perpetrate the largest and most successful information attack in world history -- a campaign that continues to harm our country even today.

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Every few years social media becomes the playground for bad actors -- criminals then terrorists and now authoritarians -- who exploit the vulnerabilities of these information systems and our nation's civil liberties and freedoms to harm our country. Terrorists' social media use has been acute and violent, but now authoritarians have taken it to the next level using social media more subtly to do something far more dangerous -- destroy our democracy from the inside out through information campaigns designed to pit Americans against each other.

With features like account anonymity, unlimited audience access, low cost technology tools, plausible deniability -- social media provides Russia an unprecedented opportunity to execute their dark arts of manipulation and subversion known as Active Measures. Russia has conducted the most successful influence operation to date by infiltrating, steering and now coordinating like-minded audiences across the Western world to subvert democratic governance. The rapid spread of Russian disinformation enflames electoral divisions and employs indigenous American audiences to support the Kremlin's foreign policy of breaking all unions and alliances that challenge their rise. The Kremlin disinformation playbook will also be adopted authoritarians, dark political campaigns and unregulated global corporations who will use this type of social media manipulation to influence weaker countries, harm less educated, vulnerable populations and mire business challengers.

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"Al Franken Tears Into Facebook Counsel at Senate Hearing"

""How did Facebook, which prides itself on being able to process billions of data points and instantly transform them into personal connections for its users, somehow not make the connection that electoral ads paid for in rubles were coming from Russia?" an incredulous Franken asked Stretch. "Those are two data points! American political ads, and Russian money, rubles. How could you not connect those two dots?"

www.motherjones.com

#1 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-01 10:03 PM | Reply

It is part of the one World Order. You know U.N.

#2 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-11-01 10:09 PM | Reply

The mental picture of Al Franken 'tearing into' anything gives me the shivers.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-01 10:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It was the best $100,000 they ever spent.

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-02 07:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

A Russian disinformation campaign with so many Democratic useful idiots are a dangerous combination.

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-11-03 08:41 AM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-11-02 07:13 AM | FLAG:

It cost them millions in manpower, but it is going down as one of the most effective propaganda campaigns ever. We're still discovering attack vectors that didn't even need advertising money, the media did all the heavy lifting for them. All they had to do was pay 1 person to run a twitter account for 3 years.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-03 08:44 AM | Reply

Our president is utterly unwilling and unequipped to deal with this.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-03 08:52 AM | Reply

#8

I've often wondered the same thing. Still do. Some people argue much too strenuously in support of perverse points of view.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-03 09:01 AM | Reply

Some posters are so nihilistic you wonder about their mental health or who's paying them.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-03 09:02 AM | Reply

We live in a sea of lies. Russia's contribution is real, but minor. Every voter has a responsibility to sort through the lies and make a sound decision. This is another case of the pot calling the kettle black.

1. To the extent Russia has directly interfered in our election sanctions are most certainly warranted.
2. However, we should put this problem in perspective.
3. We are surrounded by fake news and commercials constantly. Intelligent discerning voters should be able to make sound decisions in spite of all this background noise.
4. It is impossible to believe that the Russians generated more fake news noise than Trump, the Republican Party and FOX news.
5. 25% of our voting machines have no paper trail and/or are easily hacked in an election won by the thinnest of margins. 2/3rds of all elections in the USA are controlled by Republicans who have the means and the motive to cheat. They did so in a public way in 2000 and suffered no consequences.
6. It is imperative that our systems be audited and improved. Any and all use of computers and proprietary software, which exists in all these machines, is suspect.
7. The USA has refused to negotiate or sign a hacking treaty, proposed by Russia, something the world needs. Most likely we don't want it because we think we're better at it and the vicious Stuxnet virus is proof of that.
8. During the Bill Clinton administration the USA provided scandalous economic advice to Russia which Yeltsin followed. Larry Summers and the Chicago school of economics created a small class of billionaire Oligarchs in Russia and average Russian incomes dropped in half.
9. The USA then interfered directly inside Russia to get Yeltsin re-elected. The resulting continuing economic disaster inside Russia led to Yeltsin resigning in tears and appointing Putin to replace him.
10. Along with sanctioning Russia the USA should promise to quit interfering in free and fair elections across the globe and initiate an anti-hacking peace treaty followed by winding down the ridiculously expensive weapons race which can potentially end mankind's civilization.

#11 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-03 09:04 AM | Reply

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Media manipulation has been destroying our democracy for decades and it didn't come from Russia. The Russians truly are a JV team at this.

Look at how both parties worked together to destroy the middle class while Americans polarized around one or the other like never before. THAT is true manipulation.

#12 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-03 09:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Not Russia, but purposely ignorant, selfish, greedy Americans are ruining democracy.

#13 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-11-03 09:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nice seeing the DR Conservatives deflect like crazy.

Face it, Trump was put in office with the help of the Russians and is Putin's little puppet.

How are those sanctions coming on Russia? In place yet? When was the deadline again? Traitors.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 09:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We're still discovering attack vectors that didn't even need advertising money, the media did all the heavy lifting for them. All they had to do was pay 1 person to run a twitter account for 3 years.

This isn't an accurate description of what happened. Russia hired hundreds of people and the media didn't cover most of them. They were able to attack our democracy because millions of Americans get information from social media instead of the actual media. They believe what they want to believe even when it comes from idiots on Twitter who are secretly Russian propagandists pretending to be American.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-03 09:45 AM | Reply

The mental picture of Al Franken 'tearing into' anything gives me the shivers.

This is your only comment on this link -- an attack on a liberal Democratic senator?

How much is Putin paying you? If the money's good hook up a few of the other people here who are doing his work for free. Times are tight in Trump's America.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-03 09:47 AM | Reply

@#11 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-03 09:04 AM
Wow, the parts where you weren't being a partisan shill weren't half bad.

#17 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-03 10:55 AM | Reply

#15 - Rcade

What's your solution to Russian meddling?

#18 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-03 10:58 AM | Reply

How are those sanctions coming on Russia? In place yet? - #14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 09:34 AM

Does the president have executive authority to enforce laws or doesn't he? A lot of Dreamers are interested.
Or is it only a problem when the other guy does it?

#19 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-03 11:00 AM | Reply

This isn't an accurate description of what happened. Russia hired hundreds of people and the media didn't cover most of them.

#15 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2017-11-03 09:45 AM | REPLY

It's more accurate than what you are saying, "it's all people on social media's fault". As noted in the other article on the front page, the "real media" gave significant coverage to an account with all of 70k followers and it was a Russian troll. My sister in law has a bigger following than that. It was not even an actual source of news, it broke no stories, had no info on anything, and was a twitter version of an op ed written by a bigot. The "real media" that covered the account have hundreds of millions of social media followers between them and vested financial interest in content creation from the social media cesspool.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-03 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#19

It's a problem when it fits into a long pattern of treasonous behavior.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-03 11:21 AM | Reply

"Russian Disinformation is Destroying Our Democracy"

No. Non-stop military interventionism is.

#22 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2017-11-03 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We've been doing nonstop military intervention since the Shores of Tripoli...

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:10 PM | Reply

How are those sanctions coming on Russia? In place yet? - #14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 09:34 AM
Does the president have executive authority to enforce laws or doesn't he? A lot of Dreamers are interested.
Or is it only a problem when the other guy does it?
#19 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Did this deflection come with a point? Were you trying to distract from how the White House still hasn't put in place ordered by Congress despite the deadline passing because he is beholden to Putin? Why do you love your puppet president so much that you defend his treason?

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 12:28 PM | Reply

#17, avigore, if you mean I gave the DNC a pass you are correct. We know the DNC was flawed in many ways just like the general election. The sea of lives we live in includes both parties, which we still have the right to vote out of office if we come to our senses. Far more dangerous are the lies generated by the deep State which is unaccountable to anyone. They work in concert with the MSM and are deeply committed to perpetual war, even up to the point to killing JFK, who was determined to make peace with the Russians, disarm and break the CIA into a thousand pieces for the sake of our children and all life on earth. Trump immediately found himself in big trouble trying to do the same thing, and quickly fell back inline. He and Pence are now threatening all our alleged enemies to the delight of the military industrial complex.

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-03 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A Russian disinformation campaign with so many Democratic useful idiots are a dangerous combination.

#5 | Posted by visitor_

You mean A Russian disinformation campaign with so many gullible republicans willing to spread their disinformation for them.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I believe both statements are true.

#27 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-11-03 01:57 PM | Reply

What's your solution to Russian meddling?

#18 | Posted by gavaster

It is every American Citizens duty to combat the misinformation war and stand up to Russia's meddling. Rcade is obviously doing his part. Are you?

The fact is we will never be able to effectively counter the hostile Russian attack on our Democracy until the President of the United States actually admits to the nation that we have been attacked and sets into motion effective countermeasures and calls on all of us to do our part.

You cannot solve a problem until you admit you have one.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 01:59 PM | Reply

I believe both statements are true.

#27 | Posted by visitor_

That's because false equivalence is all republicans have left.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 01:59 PM | Reply

These 'facebook ads' amounted to horrible photos of Hillary with animated gif googly eyes saying "Crooked Hillary".

It was troll bait and goofy memes. No goofier than half the threads here claiming Pooty-Puppet.

#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-03 02:18 PM | Reply

Inside story: How Russians hacked the Democrats' emails

www.apnews.com'-emails?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 02:28 PM | Reply

These 'facebook ads' amounted to horrible photos of Hillary with animated gif googly eyes saying "Crooked Hillary".

It was troll bait and goofy memes. No goofier than half the threads here claiming Pooty-Puppet.

#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism

No stupid, those facebook ads included FALSE instructions for democrats of how they could vote online.

That's tampering with the election. Same as if someone sent out a flyer telling you the wrong polling place.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 02:30 PM | Reply

It is part of the one World Order. You know U.N.

#2 | Posted by Federalist

So you would prefer one World of Chaos perhaps? You know... like before WWII?

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 02:32 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Here's a great job for all that Soros money.

A $100M ad blitz to educate democrats:

1) How to apply for and get your very own I.D. card
2) How to register to vote
3) Where to go and vote on voting day
4) How to use the voting machine
5) Where to place the 'I Voted" sticker on your shirt
6) Voting locations that serve cookies and lemonaide

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-03 02:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here's a great job for all that Soros money.

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Soros money? Jesus you've gone full breitbart on us.

Next you're going to be saying trumps inauguration was the biggest ever.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 02:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

For love of common decency, why would any American defend Russia's war of misinformation against us? (Yes, Sheeple, we are asking about you.)

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-11-03 02:52 PM | Reply

For love of common decency, why would any American defend Russia's war of misinformation against us? (Yes, Sheeple, we are asking about you.)
#37 | POSTED BY MODER8

We brought this misery on ourselves by meddling in every election and nation around the globe for 50 years.
Then responding with military force when it doesn't go our way.

Your outrage is against retaliation, not the aggressive behaviour or failed US foreign policy for the past 5 decades.
We're currently fighting 'terrorism' on every continent for the very same reasons.

Any discussion of Russian Meddling begins with US Hegemony and Military Exceptionalism.
Until then, flail away at laughable concept that Crooked Hillary facebook memes changed votes somewhere.

#38 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-03 02:59 PM | Reply

"The Russians truly are a JV team at this."

You're as wrong on that as Obama was on ISIS.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 03:00 PM | Reply

"We brought this misery on ourselves by meddling in every election and nation around the globe for 50 years."

Oh I see.
We also brought 9/11 on ourselves, the same way.
Correct?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 03:03 PM | Reply

Until then, flail away at laughable concept that Crooked Hillary facebook memes changed votes somewhere.

#38 | Posted by SheepleSchism

If that's laughable, then i guess reality is laughable. Misinformation works. Why do you think fox news was created? 20 years later, we have half of america thinking climate change is a hoax, tax cuts for the rich help the poor, and obama was president when the economy collapsed.

You propose that since we mess with other country's elections, putin is free to mess with ours.

By that logic, since settlers stole land from the native americans, I can come move in to your house and murder you, and you'll just say "well fair's fair!"

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 03:04 PM | Reply

"Any discussion of Russian Meddling begins with US Hegemony and Military Exceptionalism."

Does it now? The discussion starts when Putin was in short pants?
Can we skip ahead to the moment in 2015 when your user account was created?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 03:05 PM | Reply

These are the Facebook posts Russia used to undermine Hillary Clinton's campaign - thinkprogress.org

I've heard that if you stare at them long enough, your vote turns to stone.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-03 03:39 PM | Reply

Can we skip ahead to the moment in 2015 when your user account was created?
#42 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

From my secret spy bunker in Salt Lake City, I emailed Rcade and changed my handle from Deadspin.

...and like Mark Zuckerberg, Rcade just approved the deal in rubles, like nothing else was happening.

#44 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-03 03:44 PM | Reply

"These are the Facebook posts Russia used to undermine Hillary Clinton's campaign - thinkprogress.org"

That is just a couple. There were more than 80,000 of them.

I've heard that if you stare at them long enough, your vote turns to stone.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism

And you heard this where? Did a little pooty-poot tweety bird tell you this?

Still twittering with the truth Comrade?

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've heard that if you stare at them long enough, your vote turns to stone.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I've heard that if you hate hillary enough, you start defending trump like every racist moron and nazi in the country.

Look around at the company you are placing yourself in. You're on every trump thread deflecting to hillary just like boaz, sniper, and trump himself.

If you're surrounded by bigots and morons and you feel at home, that says a lot about you.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The second greatest threat to our republic after conservatism.

#47 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-03 04:22 PM | Reply

"And you heard this where?"

From his comrades at the Russian troll farm.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 04:28 PM | Reply

I just want to take a moment to thank galtuesday and tonyroma for shedding light on this topic. Russian impact is both subtle and real. However, they aren't half the problem as ignorant American voters who elected Trump because they're too stupid to realize they are being lied to..

#49 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-03 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#28 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Great non-answer. Do your part? That's what you got? You're acting as if I'm denying it happened, which isn't the case. But instead of spouting off about Russians and collusion and election tampering how about we stick to actions and responses. (I know drudge comment sections are more for displaying displeasure over actual discourse but, we can try)

Russian hacking identified by all major intelligence agencies. Sanctions filed. Now it's up to Trump. There are two other co-equal branches of government that need to make sure this gets done.

Russians created fake Twitter accounts and Americans re-posted their BS. So, do we require FB and Twitter to verify citizenship? Not allow people in America to see tweets from Russia? I don't want to have to verify my citizenship for a FB or twitter account. What's your solution? This is an issue I see as not resolvable except for Twitter and FB, in order to maintain their integrity with the public, to delete troll accounts...which they do a lot. Trump even got the mute button recently. Freaking hilarious and well deserved, troll that he is.

Russians paid for ad space using fake accounts. FB and Twitter have always, as far as I've known, identified posts that are paid for as sponsored posts. That being said, most ads I've seen don't qualify as political ads and were issues ads, not identifiable as paid campaign advertising. The ones that could be defined as political ads were actually deleted by Twitter and FB(quoting source, not sourcing fact). We already have laws on the books about election advertising which I'm assuming apply and should be used if applicable.

What am I doing? Trying to steer the conversation to the actual issues so fascists in a tizzy about the election don't turn us into North Korea with their good intentions. You're welcome.

#50 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-03 06:21 PM | Reply

I just want to take a moment to thank galtuesday and tonyroma for shedding light on this topic. Russian impact is both subtle and real. However, they aren't half the problem as ignorant American voters who elected Trump because they're too stupid to realize they are being lied to..

#49 | Posted by bayviking

But it's a chicken and egg problem. They're stupid because they believe russian and right wing media lies (which are essentially the same thing), which makes them stupider and more likely to believe russian and right wing media lies.

Fox news has been doing the same thing as the russians for 20 years now. They're the reason millions of americans are angry, dumb, and misinformed enough to support someone like trump in the first place.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Russians paid for ad space using fake accounts. FB and Twitter have always, as far as I've known, identified posts that are paid for as sponsored posts."

No.
The fake accounts didn't just buy ads.
They posted content too.
Didn't you see the thread about the fake account that got in Twitter arguments with real people, and was quoted by real news sources?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 06:46 PM | Reply

"as far as I've known, identified posts that are paid for as sponsored posts."

If they do, they don't tell you who the sponsor is in such a way that a reader would know the ads were posted by Russians. The whole point is to get people to think the ads are legit and come from some source in this country.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 06:50 PM | Reply

"Russian hacking identified by all major intelligence agencies. Sanctions filed. Now it's up to Trump. There are two other co-equal branches of government that need to make sure this gets done."

Up to Trump? The guy still calling it a hoax? And those two co-equal branches are doing a fine job are they not? A fine job of deflecting that is.

"We already have laws on the books about election advertising which I'm assuming apply and should be used if applicable.

What am I doing? Trying to steer the conversation to the actual issues so fascists in a tizzy about the election don't turn us into North Korea with their good intentions. You're welcome.

#50 | Posted by gavaster"

No we do NOT have laws on the books to deal this type of attack.

We are in uncharted waters with a raving lunatic steering the ship. So have fun trying to "steer" the conversation.

You can try grabbing the wheel all you want but if our Dear Leader does not admit it was NOT a hoax and that we have been attacked by a hostile power and we as a Nation will need to stand together and do what is necessary to stop it and prevent it in the future then good luck.

We will just continue to be at the mercy of the Madman at the wheel and the Fates.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Never said they didn't post content. Do you have a point? I saw the fake account. Mostly troll quotes in related articles. Nothing major I saw.

So they posted content. Twitter is a global platform. I could care less if a Russian posts content under an assumed name pretending to be an American. The likely scenarios I see to prevent that type of behavior is scary. And since that happened we need to do exactly what was done, file sanctions against Russia. I don't want government regulations on Twitter accounts. Offer a solution and let's see how this can be avoided. Seems to me we're doing what should be done pressuring Russia to stop. Although some -------- Congress critters are on self-induced power trips trying take Twitter, FB, and Google to task, they should be attacking Russia with as much furor as they are these companies. Where is the legal action being taken against the President for not enacting the sanctions?

#55 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-03 07:38 PM | Reply

And since that happened we need to do exactly what was done, file sanctions against Russia.

#55 | Posted by gavaster

Congress did that. Trump is refusing to enact them.

Wonder why.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 07:39 PM | Reply

Nobody could fall for stupid stuff they see online:

The alt-right fell for a Twitter joke and now it's total chaos

Have you heard about the left's evil plans on Nov. 4?

mic.com

FYI: November 4 is Russian Unity day

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 07:40 PM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

What's your solution? I can point out problems all day. Berating US companies for not catching fraudulent accounts fast enough is a bit self-righteous. If held to the same standards they should be blaming themselves for the fraud and pork stuffed in every spending bill they pass as well as all the corrupt lobbying practices being overlooked. If anyone has a workable solution that would have prevented this I'm all ears.

#58 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-03 07:41 PM | Reply

#56 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The Whitehouse excuse is currently "we have had timed to allow companies to extricate themselves from Russian investments"....which is code for "I have business ties to Russia I don't want to let go of and haven't figured out how to get around these sanctions yet".

#59 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-03 07:43 PM | Reply

"What's your solution? I can point out problems all day."

I think pointing them out at this point is part of the solution: education. I don't know about you, but I'm surprised by some of the things we are learning. For example, Russian troll accounts being set up in 2014, in what one of the articles I read called "the long con." During the election, I never knew there was such a thing as a Russian troll account that would go to such lengths. Now I know.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 07:49 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

The attack is paying for political advertising....and we have laws that regulate those kinds of ads. And it is our government's job, Congress and the President specifically, to ensure any such action against the US is handled and the appropriate action is taken to protect our freedom. That's being done. If you have anything other than sanctions you'd like done I'm all ears. Offer up some new laws.

Your fear of Trump is misplaced. I don't fear Trump. I despise him, but I don't fear him. He's a small man. Congress and America are steadily turning on him. I believe he will be forced to resign in time. The damage he does to the US can bring about a great sense of unity with the right leader once he's gone.

I have friends like you. They stay home from work and are seen crying over coffee because the emotional stress of Trump as President is too much for their frail constitution. As a matter of fact, your dramatics are bit Russian trollish, stirring up feigned emotional conflict where there should be unity. Kicking Trump out. Hand wringing is kinda wimpish.

#61 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-03 07:54 PM | Reply

November 4: Provocations and Propaganda

medium.com

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 07:57 PM | Reply

"Offer a solution and let's see how this can be avoided. Seems to me we're doing what should be done pressuring Russia to stop."

It's shortsighted to focus on the Russians. Any country can do this. Or any group, including ISIS.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 08:01 PM | Reply

#60 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I think we've covered the "pointing out Russian meddling" problem part pretty well. But I don't support these attacks on Google, Twitter, and FB or the sanctimonious Congressmen playing to the media for airtime.

Stuff like this...."With features like account anonymity, unlimited audience access, low cost technology tools, plausible deniability -- social media provides Russia an unprecedented opportunity to execute their dark arts of manipulation and subversion known as Active Measures."...is shaping the narrative towards allowing greater government control of social media to which I am vehemently opposed. I don't want the US having control of the internet like in China or in N. Korea.

#64 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-03 08:02 PM | Reply

#63 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Making an example of countries like Russia will deter others from attempting the same. When you understand the negative consequences of your actions you're generally less likely to follow through with them. It's instinctual human behavior even primates understand.

#65 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-03 08:05 PM | Reply

Fox just picked up the November 4 story:

Antifa apocalypse? Anarchist group's plan to overthrow Trump 'regime' starts Saturday

www.foxnews.com

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-03 08:17 PM | Reply

"is shaping the narrative towards allowing greater government control of social media to which I am vehemently opposed."

We do precious little to protect the integrity of our elections.
Regardless, campaign finance law compels the government to act here.
Do you disagree?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 08:24 PM | Reply

Obama already imposed sanctions against Russia. When Trump attempted to lift them, the Senate intervened. But, the Trump administration has ignored an October 1 deadline for beginning to implement new sanctions. Sanctions also require the cooperation of our EU partners, the people who taught us colonialism and are most grateful for our WWII intervention. Germany has no interest in starving themselves of oil and natural gas, even as they transition to a green economy.

#68 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-04 07:10 AM | Reply

"We do precious little to protect the integrity of our elections."

Yeah. We've been told that doing so is racist and deters minority participation in the election process.

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-04 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-03 12:28 PM
Did this deflection come with a point? To point out the obvious hypocrisy.
Were you trying to distract from how the White House still hasn't put in place ordered by Congress despite the deadline passing because he is beholden to Putin? No. Just reminding you that the elected president possesses authority over the executive. ie The president is given the power over the executive by the people of the country. Much as President Obama did when he chose not to remove the DREAMers from our country.
Why do you love your puppet president so much that you defend his treason? Surely you could cite somewhere that I've defended him?

You cannot solve a problem until you admit you have one. - #28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-03 01:59 PM
You sound a lot like people lambasting President Obama over his lack of use of the term 'radical Islamic terrorism'.

those facebook ads included FALSE instructions for democrats of how they could vote online. - #32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 02:30 PM
You have a citation for that by any chance?

I've heard that if you hate hillary enough, you start defending trump like every racist moron and nazi in the country. - #46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-03 04:11 PM
You would do well to understand that you can defend honesty without defending Trump.

#70 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-04 10:24 AM | Reply

Yeah. We've been told that doing so is racist and deters minority participation in the election process.

#69 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Oh snap! Good one dude!

Wait....

Who told you that?

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-04 01:08 PM | Reply

If anyone has a workable solution that would have prevented this I'm all ears.

#58 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

First let's be clear.

So am I to understand that you now admit we have a serious problem?

Excellent!!

Please pass the word up the chain of command to the Moron-In-Chief please.

Thank you.

-- The Resistance.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-04 01:13 PM | Reply

"We've been told that doing so is racist and deters minority participation in the election process."

Correct.
Voter ID, which is legal, and in place in many states, is racist.
But to my point, Voter ID does precious little to protect the integrity of our elections.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-04 02:09 PM | Reply

Getting an ID is so ridiculously easy, even you have one, Snoofy.

Anyone who wants one, can go get one.

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-04 04:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Getting an ID is so ridiculously easy"

I guess that explains why requiring it doesn't safeguard elections.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-04 04:41 PM | Reply

"Getting an ID is so ridiculously easy, even you have one, Snoofy."

It's always baffled me why people were against needing to have an ID to vote. If getting the ID is hard, that's what needs to be simplified...not just making it unnecessary to have an ID. That's nothing more than an invitation to cheat.

When Putin's friends start voting without ID's maybe our little Snoof will alter his position...although it may depend on whether he considers Russians to be white or other than white.

#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-11-04 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When Putin's friends start voting without ID's

Please explain just how this is done with enough people and enough coordination to alter any electoral results.

Just walk me through this, for s's and g's, okay?

#77 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-04 05:50 PM | Reply

It's always baffled me why people were against needing to have an ID to vote.

I tend to agree. You need valid ID to vote in Canada, but there's a long list of things that qualify.

#78 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-04 06:02 PM | Reply

It's always baffled me why people were against needing to have an ID to vote.

It's about being against ID, it's the fact that every voter already established their qualification to vote when they REGISTERED and provided the address of their residence. We know there are millions of people who are legally registered to vote that do not have current ID and that fact alone should not deny them their constitutional right when it never has at any time in this nation's past up until recently. And one of the salient reasons is that every voter has to provide their signature directly adjoining a copy of that same signature from a prior election or their registration.

Who exactly is going to 1.) Know the name, address and birth date of a specific registered voter; 2.) Show up in the proper precinct without knowing whether the voter they plan to impersonate has already voted or not - obviously opening themselves up for an immediate arrest - and forging a signature under the direct glare of two separate party observers; and 3.) All for the sake of a single vote? Just who do you think can coordinate this on a scale that will impact any specific electoral result?

It's a solution in search of a problem. That is the value of localized elections. Many of the same people work the same polls every election. They recognize their neighbors and often know voters through years of familiarity. Because of the address component, why can't people without ID's present mail, tax bills or other correspondence that provides that they're likely who they claim? It's not about taking anyone's word, it's about understanding that what might be easy for you and me may be an insurmountable obstacle for another legally registered voter.

And again, that is the key: Legally registered voters. You have to prove your eligibility to register. I just don't see why we insist on the very same standard to vote when other unofficial proof should suffice. We have a problem trying to get citizens to vote, so why are we focused on making registered voters jump through more hoops?

#79 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-04 06:22 PM | Reply

Because of the address component, why can't people without ID's present mail, tax bills or other correspondence that provides that they're likely who they claim?

In Canada all of those are valid. If you don't have a government issued photo ID you need any two of a long list of things like utility bills, library cards, pretty much anything that shows where you live.

#80 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-04 06:28 PM | Reply

"It's always baffled me why people were against needing to have an ID to vote."

Are you baffled that Texas requires ID but won't accept student ID?

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-04 06:33 PM | Reply

If you don't have a government issued photo ID you need any two of a long list of things like utility bills, library cards, pretty much anything that shows where you live.

That's all people are asking. But the GOP is obsessed with state-issued, government ID's with their own list of requirements to obtain one, often only in select places and times that are completely inconvenient for those with the least resources at their disposal.

#82 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-11-04 06:34 PM | Reply

"When Putin's friends start voting without ID"

Can you explain how they registered in the first place?

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-04 06:35 PM | Reply

"If getting the ID is hard, that's what needs to be simplified"

It's still an additional barrier to voting, which suppressionists want us to believe isn't an additional barrier to voting.

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-04 06:40 PM | Reply

It's also a distraction from the process by which voters get their registrations canceled, completely unrelated to voter ID requirements.

If these "small government" "conservatives" were talking about doing away with the voter rolls completely, and deciding who gets to vote solely on election day based on Voter ID, that would be one thing.

But they want more government. And they want it in a way that punishes, in their own words, people too lazy or stupid to get ID.

They fundamentally think it's okay to take away the right to vote from people who are too lazy or stupid to jump through government hoops. People who already jumped through the hoops required for registering in the first place.

Oh, and the GOP consistently opposes motor voter laws, which make it easier to register to vote by allowing it to happen at the same time and place where you renew your driver's license which can be used as a Voter ID.

These "small government" "conservatives" want to set up that hoop so you have to make a special trip to jump through on a separate occasion.

As you can see, they are neither small government, or conservative.

What they are is opponents of democracy.

Of course, democracy itself is a liberal idea, so we can't really blame them for being true to their conservative roots, now can we!

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-04 08:04 PM | Reply

"If getting the ID is hard, that's what needs to be simplified"

If?
It's hard, as it is.
And you never once have complained about it.

So. Until that's simplified, what should happen?

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-04 08:11 PM | Reply

#67 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
#72 | DONNERBOY

When you two get past your obsession with trying to label people pro-Trump/Russian supporters come join the actual conversation. But if you're not going to read what I post and respond what's the point? Deuces.

#87 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-05 12:25 AM | Reply

When you two get past your obsession with trying to label people pro-Trump/Russian supporters come join the actual conversation. But if you're not going to read what I post and respond what's the point? Deuces.

Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-05 12:25 AM | Reply

Reowwwwwwwwww pssssssssssstttttttttttttttt

#88 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-05 12:48 AM | Reply

#88 - Lauramohr

:-) Too much?

#89 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-05 01:08 AM | Reply

#88 - Lauramohr

:-) Too much?

Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-05 01:08 AM | Reply

Don't mind me just a terrible mood swing. It will pass.

#90 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-05 01:27 AM | Reply

"When you two get past your obsession with trying to label people pro-Trump/Russian supporters come join the actual conversation."

Not responsive to the question in #67.
I don't think you're dumb enough to be a Trump supporter.
Just in a high enough tax bracket to vote Republican.
I don't think you really care about politics, just taxes.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-05 01:29 AM | Reply

It's not destroying democracy, it's destroying the democrat party. Republicans got the president they voted for. Democrats got the candidate that the elites gave them. This is why Antifa was a no show yesterday. Donna Brazile and Elizabeth Warren killed their movement with the truth. Their vote doesn't count.

#92 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2017-11-05 08:33 AM | Reply

#67 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

See LauraMohr? Amiright?

Snoof. Read #67. Then #50, #55, #61, & #65. When you catch up try making a comment related to the conversation. I'll check back later and see how you do.

And I think you're developmentally challenged and incapable of basic human functions. (Isn't this fun!) Oh. And you're a partisan hack who associates negative feelings to the words Republican and conservative! (Whew. That was a ZINGER!!)

#93 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-05 10:48 AM | Reply

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