Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, November 01, 2017

One day last year, a citizen on a prairie path in the Chicago suburb of Elmhurst came upon a teen boy chopping wood. Not a body. Just some already-fallen branches. Nonetheless, the onlooker called the cops.

Officers interrogated the boy, who said he was trying to build a fort for himself and his friends. A local news site reports the police then "took the tools for safekeeping to be returned to the boy's parents."

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Elsewhere in America, preschoolers at the Learning Collaborative in Charlotte, North Carolina, were thrilled to receive a set of gently used playground equipment. But the kids soon found out they would not be allowed to use it, because it was resting on grass, not wood chips. "It's a safety issue," explained a day care spokeswoman. Playing on grass is against local regulations.

And then there was the query that ran in Parents magazine a few years back: "Your child's old enough to stay home briefly, and often does. But is it okay to leave her and her playmate home while you dash to the dry cleaner?" Absolutely not, the magazine averred: "Take the kids with you, or save your errand for another time." After all, "you want to make sure that no one's feelings get too hurt if there's a squabble."

The principle here is simple: This generation of kids must be protected like none other. They can't use tools, they can't play on grass, and they certainly can't be expected to work through a spat with a friend.

And this, it could be argued, is why we have "safe spaces" on college campuses and millennials missing adult milestones today. We told a generation of kids that they can never be too safe -- and they believed us.

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When I was a kid, I left home in the morning and returned around dark.

I had a pellet gun, folding knife, a hatchet, and a bike with 10k miles on her.

We built forts, shot cans, whittled sharp objects, rode bikes 20 miles to the next county,
captured snapping turtles, and fought wars with little green army men.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-01 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

so fragile!

i'm about to have my first and i'm afraid of doing the same to my daughter

#2 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 04:50 PM | Reply

"#1 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

same... biking into the desert in orange county.
avoiding rattle snakes
catching bull frogs
going all over town with friends
making and using bows
skateboards with home made half pipes and no safety gear or helmets

#3 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 04:52 PM | Reply

I had to walk uphill to school in the snow, in bare feet, both ways!

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-11-01 04:58 PM | Reply

I got my first .410 shotgun when I was eight. Since I grew up on a farm, I used to walk the streams on our land and shoot the venomous water-moccasins, which are very aggressive and will swim straight towards you. I got to the point I was so accurate I could just blow their heads right off like you would point your finger. I also bagged several rattle-snakes (one monster over six feet long) and even a coral snake, the second most venomous snake on Earth after the black mamba.

When we finally moved to the city, I walked the streets in extremely unsafe neighborhoods (collecting used pop bottles for the deposit so I could buy candy), and rode my bike everywhere.

Hunting, fishing, and swimming where pretty much my only hobbies (TV was considered too violent in my household, and I never got to see movies unless I snuck out with my friends).

#5 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-01 04:58 PM | Reply

i'm about to have my first and i'm afraid of doing the same to my daughter

#2 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD AT 2017-11-01 04:50 PM

Then don't. Throw out the hand sanitizer, let her get dirty, play with her like you did as a kid, show her how wonderful the outdoors are.

Don't worry about teaching her how to use chainsaws or flamethrowers until she is at least 10.

:)

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-01 04:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Me and my friends in San Jose used to put on two pairs of jeans, down jackets, baseball helmets and safety goggles and have BB gun wars in the orchards behind my house for hours on end, even in the summer. Most of us had spring loaded Daisys or Crossmans, if someone had a pump Crossman they could only do 2 pumps max. If they were caught doing more, then we would stand in a semi-circle and shoot at them, once for each extra pump.

Fun times.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-01 05:03 PM | Reply

"Then don't."

i'm going to try not to!

i almost never use hand sanitizer even now! (except when at an outdoor event and the port'o'potty doesn't have running water)

#8 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 05:04 PM | Reply

"and have BB gun wars"

paintball guns for me.

same idea. lots of welts and bruises.

#9 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 05:05 PM | Reply

Good, make sure your wife does the same. Studies are coming out that show that overuse of hand sanitizers is the probably cause of many pediatric allergies, including peanut allergies.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-01 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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When I was kid we used to make meat castles out of hamburger by the shore of the alligator pond.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-11-01 05:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

she knows how i hate millennial fragility! hahaha

#12 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 05:09 PM | Reply

Bakersfield.

Evangelical Christianity is mostly responsible for robbing kids of their freedom.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-01 05:10 PM | Reply

The OC in the 80s-90s was very similar to Silicon Valley in the 60s-70s, so we had the same opportunities. I skated pools before that was even a thing, we just thought it was a smooth surface that we could skate on.

I also spent my summers surfing in Santa Cruz, the drugs back then weren't nearly as gnarly as they are now, if your daughter wants to learn how to surf make sure you surf with her until she is over 18. Just sayin.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-01 05:10 PM | Reply

The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my ---------. There really is nothing like a shorn -------... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.

-Dr. Evil

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-01 05:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The OC in the 80s-90s was very similar to Silicon Valley in the 60s-70s"

agreed.. thats when i was there... we had rollerblades before the rest of the country did.. i still own a pair of lightnings that i bought before moving to the east coast

i doubt i'll teach her to surf since i live in nyc now. :)

skateboarding though!

#16 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 05:16 PM | Reply

I take my godson to Lido Beach every time I am in NYC from April to October, there are plenty of places to surf on "longuyland".

Just don't let them know you are from the OC.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-01 05:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#15 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Probably the best monologue of Mike Myers' career.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-11-01 05:25 PM | Reply

Bakersfield.

Evangelical Christianity is mostly responsible for robbing kids of their freedom.

#13 | Posted by snoofy

Bakerfield, California?

Dude, I spend more than half a year there with a fundamentalist uncle, Bill. I heard that half the kids I went to school with ended up as crack addict. I was a very violent school.

Every Sunday we would go to the World-Wide Church of God, and sit complete;y motionless while they ranted at us for two freaking hours. Bills daughter got involved with a 21 year old man when she was 13 who used to give her cigarettes, and she died on the back of his motorcycle when he wrecked it a year later. I never found out what happened to the other kid, Brad.

I still can't stand fundies.

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-01 05:31 PM | Reply

19 - Sounds like Oildale. Spoofy; you an 08er?

#20 | Posted by homerj at 2017-11-01 05:40 PM | Reply

Evangelical Christianity is mostly responsible for robbing kids of their freedom.
#13 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Can you point on the doll where it robbed you?

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-01 05:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Did you not understand the Bakersfield reference, Sheeple?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-01 05:58 PM | Reply

duckduckgo.com

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-01 06:02 PM | Reply

#23 Dude, that hell-hole grew? And now it has an airport and... culture?

I wonder what happened to all the fundies? I'll bet they're cloistered.

#24 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-01 06:29 PM | Reply

As usual, more free markets than free minds from Not Much Reason mag.

Learning from past mistakes over time and arriving at solutions.... like wood chips over grass for safety, is reasonable.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-01 06:33 PM | Reply

Last I heard, the Kern County prosecutor who railroaded those people with coerced, false confessions from kids in the 80s is still in power.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-01 06:34 PM | Reply

#25 So... you completely missed the point?

#27 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-01 06:43 PM | Reply

"Just don't let them know you are from the OC.

#17"

Haha, I don't know how to surf.. no one taught me. :(

I can boogie board, but i moved out of cali when i was 12.

#28 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 06:49 PM | Reply

Didn't the karate kid live in Bakersfield?

#29 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-01 06:55 PM | Reply

Reseda

#30 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 07:04 PM | Reply

Klif,
As soon as I saw your text I knew you were right.
Regardless, I read the wiki page because I'm sure Bakersfield is mentioned in the movie.
I don't know why I think that, but I can't imagine I pulled Bakersfield from my fourth point of contact.

#31 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-01 07:20 PM | Reply

"Bakersfield is mentioned in the movie."

hmm.. maybe his girl is from bakersfield?

#32 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 07:22 PM | Reply

Ali was from encino

#33 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-01 07:23 PM | Reply

google tells me it's one of the filming locations. when he's on the lake learning balance on the boat.

#34 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-11-01 07:29 PM | Reply

There were just as many weaklings running around when you were kids as there are now.

I'm not sure why it happens but as we age we start to pine for times long gone that never were.

#35 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-02 07:31 AM | Reply

i'm about to have my first and i'm afraid of doing the same to my daughter

#2 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD

You'll be fine Klifferd. Just remember be her parent, your kid will have plenty of friends, she won't need more one more friend, she will need a parent though.

#25 So... you completely missed the point?

#27 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-11-01 06:43 PM | REPLY | FLAGED Faux Surprised

#32 & #33 Wasn't the final tournament in Bakersfield?

#36 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-02 10:21 AM | Reply

Toys today don't require the same level of imagination of past offerings. Even toys that encourage imagination like Lego blocks are now sold in trade marked sets to create a specific model. I'd encourage kids use their imagination. Even something as mundane as an unused refrigerator can be used as a time machine or space ship transporting your child to anywhere. The only limit is their imagination.

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-11-02 11:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#35 no surprise that you missed the point.

It's not that there were "weaklings running around" back in our day. It's that the institutions weren't designed and expected to coddle them by reducing everything to the lowest common denominator... Like, you aren't allowed to play on the dangerous grass.

#38 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-02 01:20 PM | Reply

Like, you aren't allowed to play on the dangerous grass.
#38 | POSTED BY KWRX25

If one was so inclined they could drive by any grade school and see kids playing in the grass.

In the snow and the rain and the heat.

Not only are you reminiscing about times that never actually happened, you are also living in denial about the present.

#39 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-02 08:13 PM | Reply

I don't know why I found it funny that the alternative words for testes gets edited out of my #15 but "buggery" remains unscathed.

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-02 08:25 PM | Reply

#37 Visitor

"Even something as mundane as an unused refrigerator can be used as a time machine or space ship transporting your child to anywhere."

Ah, the Refrigerator Safety Act of 1956. That's sort of like the way two pressure release valves are required on water-heaters today, because sometimes if you had only one, it would fail and your water-heater would launch like a rocket through your roof.

It's called consumer safety. It really has nothing with coddling your kids.

#41 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-02 08:41 PM | Reply

#41 Those are all Little Rascals episodes.

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-11-02 10:25 PM | Reply

#39... what didn't exist? Playgrounds on pavement and grass? They did, they're not allowed today. Why is that so hard to grasp?

#43 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-02 10:30 PM | Reply

"They did, they're not allowed today. Why is that so hard to grasp?"

Mostly because it's not true, seems to be the #1 reason.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-02 10:31 PM | Reply

#42 So I checked youtube and google, but all I could find was some kind of set of Little Rascals commemorative refrigerator magnets. Did... did all the Little Rascals die in refrigerators? Even little Buckwheat?

#45 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-02 10:36 PM | Reply

Dude, when I checked youtube, it showed me an 1950's or so cartoon the Mormon's made, but later banned because of how Awesome it is :)

#46 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-02 10:39 PM | Reply

45
I ba doe knows.
-stymie

#47 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-02 10:46 PM | Reply

Okay, now I'm watching a cartoon about Scientology's beliefs. I love youtube.

#48 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-02 10:49 PM | Reply

#44 explain how it's not true

#49 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-02 10:51 PM | Reply

Okay, I'll explain it.
Somewhere in America, there's a playground on grass.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-02 10:53 PM | Reply

Dude, spend 7:09 and watch "Cartoon exposing Scientology". It's got to be one of the funniest things on the internet. The cartoon is interspersed with actual interviews with L.R. Hubbard explaining everything while at his weirdest and most incredible. Here:

www.youtube.com

#51 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-02 10:54 PM | Reply

#50 when we were young were they plentiful?

Today, are they removed as dangerous?

#52 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-02 11:04 PM | Reply

#52 It's no good, kwrx25. I tried applying mental first aid to snoofy (that's where you slap someone a couple of times, grab them by the lapels and shout: "For God's sake man, get a hold of yourself". Then you release him and look him sternly in the eye and say "You've got to keep the English end up!")

But for reason it didn't work.

I'm still looking for some kind of master anti-meme that breaks apart his memeplex. If you've ever debated snoofy, you will note that he possesses about a squadron of self-reinforcing memes, all trained to attack, deflect, and move goal-posts. If I could somehow find a way disrupt their bonds....

Give me a minute and I'll get back to you.

Oh. My. God. I've got it! It was all about the... oh. Oh, never-mind.

I think if I told him something like that it would induce Vodoo Death.

Hmm... I'll have to get back to you on this.

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-02 11:21 PM | Reply

"#50 when we were young were they plentiful?
Today, are they removed as dangerous"

Is it really a deep affont to you if they replace grass and dirt with a pile of wood chips?

Why can't you file this one under "State's Rights!" or something?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:35 AM | Reply

"#50 when we were young were they plentiful?
Today, are they removed as dangerous"

You might as well be talking about toy guns.
Thing is, you'd be right.
Pigs will shoot a kid dead.
For "safety."

If this sounds like I'm agreeing with you, I kind of am, I don't think it's an urgent matter to have a pile of wood chips instead of grass for the playground surface.

But I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that the change wasn't brought about by helicopter moms protecting their snowflakes, but an evidence-based way to reduce playground injuries. Admittedly, I tend to think policies more often than not come about for at least seemingly sensible reasons. Sensible to who, is really the issue.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:40 AM | Reply

#55 Oh, Jesus Christ. 9 children a year get kidnapped by strangers, and I think I heard of one kid being killed with a toy gun in the last few years.

Out of a nation of 323 million people.

Are you freaking nuts?

#56 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 12:48 AM | Reply

"I think I heard of one kid being killed with a toy gun in the last few years."

How many got brain damage from eating lead paint chips?
(Note: Drinking poisoned Flint water doesn't count.)

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:56 AM | Reply

"In the United States, in 1992 the Department of Commerce prohibited the manufacture, sale, or shipping of toy firearms unless they have an orange tip or are entirely brightly colored. "

I'm sure there was heartbreak in the KWRX homestead.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 01:01 AM | Reply

"9 children a year get kidnapped by strangers"

LOL.

"The NCMEC says 203,000 children are kidnapped each year by family members."

now, why would you focus on those nine, unless you wanted to paint a deliberately misleading picture?

Just... why?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 01:03 AM | Reply

#59 snoofy, children kidnapped by family members aren't abducted from the street while walking to school or the corner store, or even from the park or mall.

#60 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 01:11 AM | Reply

"Most missing children have been abducted by strangers. ... But children taken by strangers or slight acquaintances represent only one-hundredth of 1 percent of all missing children. The last comprehensive study estimated that the number was 115 in a year." That's what google says if you type 'how common is child abduction by strangers?'. Note the part where it says 'slight acquaintances' as being part of the 115.

Also, it says that almost all the child abduction cases are solved in two to three hours, because it was a parent taking the kid from the home.

#61 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 01:28 AM | Reply

"#59 snoofy, children kidnapped by family members aren't abducted from the street while walking to school or the corner store, or even from the park or mall."

Ooookay.
They're still taken.
Why are you zeroing in on a tiny slice of the much larger issue?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 01:30 AM | Reply

If you have a normal, happy family, your children are in no danger of being kidnapped? But if even your ex is a psycho, it still doesn't work?

#63 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 01:41 AM | Reply

Also, there is no reason not to let your kids play in the neighborhood, and go to the park and mall and friends houses and woods and stuff by themselves? Did you not get the whole point of the article?

#64 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 01:44 AM | Reply

"Also, there is no reason not to let your kids play in the neighborhood, and go to the park and mall and friends houses and woods and stuff by themselves?"

This is illegal depending on age, and we live in a culture where people will think they're doing you a favor by calling CPS on you when you leave your kids "unattended."

I already mentioned the propaganda the Christian Right started spewing after Bakersfield, but there was other stuff too. The news played up every kidnapping, the government was waging a massive War on Drugs and convinced the Supreme Court the nation was in the midst of a crack cocaine epidemic. Then there was that whole "Evil Empire" thing. Putting missing kids on the sides of milk cartons naturally reinforced the idea that even nice looking white kids from normal, happy families were in perpetual mortal danger.

Fear was heavily marketed, mostly by Republicans. Now we live in that world.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 02:12 AM | Reply

#65 I also don't understand mass hysteria. There is one key I've considered for a long time, though: "Fear is Cheap".

My grandfather used to sell fear from his hand-cart on 5th Avenue back during the Great Depression. He used to tell me stories about it. Made a killing.

#66 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 02:42 AM | Reply

#65 So... you agree with the article now? I mean yeah, you have a snoofy rationale, but hey, it's still a rational. So you're okay with letting kids take on more personal responsibility and that it will help them grow as individuals?

#67 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 02:47 AM | Reply

It doesn't what I think because somebody who thinks they know better will call the cops.

The fragile generation is the one that did this to today's kids. I hope that's what the article says.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 02:50 AM | Reply

#68 You're saying "helicopter moms" are all from the Christian Right, and their kids grew up to be SJW's? 'Cause I think that's what you just said. But hey, we are finally on the same side of an argument. I'm willing to let it go at this point.....

#69 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 02:59 AM | Reply

"You're saying "helicopter moms" are all from the Christian Right,"

Well, there's all kinds. It's pathetically easy to market to moms, just tell them they're bad moms if they don't do [INSERT MARKETING MESSAGE HERE] to protect their kids. Antibacterial hand soap for example, completely marketed to moms who fear that their kids will get sick from germs. By 9/11 it was an easy conversion from "Soccer Moms" to "Security Moms."

Conservative Christians bring made-up threats of sexual Satanism and a whole host of privacy-denying morality oversight to the party. And they have a stronger sense of moral righteousness than any other sizable group.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 03:06 AM | Reply

#70 snoofy!

"Temarc! The river Temarc in winter!"
"Darmok...?"
"...and Jalad at Tanagra. Darmok and Jalad... on the ocean."
"Sokath, his eyes open!"
"The beast at Tanagra. Uzani, his army. Shaka, when the walls fell."

You finally freaking get me! This will be a day long remembered in Nibiru history!

#71 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-11-03 03:22 AM | Reply

#39... what didn't exist? Playgrounds on pavement and grass? They did, they're not allowed today. Why is that so hard to grasp?

#43 | POSTED BY KWRX25 AT 2017-11-02 10:30 PM | REPLY

"They did, they're not allowed today. Why is that so hard to grasp?"
Mostly because it's not true, seems to be the #1 reason.

#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT

Yap. That's the #1 reason.

There is a private school one block from my house to the north, there is a public school a block from my house to the South. Both have playground equipment. The public school has it on blacktop and grass.

3 blocks south there is this thing called a "park." There are all sorts of pieces of playground equipment above all sorts of surfaces, tennis courts, baseball and softball fields, a swimming pool, and all sorts of things that have been eliminated in poor kwrx25's dreams but are still here and being used in the real world.

#72 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 05:56 AM | Reply

I've seen a bit of this shreaded rubber on playgrounds, mainly new construction at grade schools. I bet that is what has him so stirred up.

I'm sure he drives a car with a steering column that will impale him in the event of a front impact, no antilock breaks, windows that break into big shards and slice you up really bad as well.

I mean, you have to, right? Wouldn't want anyone to think you're a pu**y, would ya?

#73 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 06:37 AM | Reply

How many times have you been concussed mrsilencedforgood?

There are articles after article starting to be written about how we are trying to make childhood too safe, many of them specifically about playgrounds not offering the risks that were available to earlier generations and that being a bad thing for the development. Why do you choose to pick the random example of "well I saw a playground the other day"

Big F Deal

The term helicopter parent exists for a reason... you honestly don't think that we are actively trying to sanitize childhood?

#74 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-03 08:31 AM | Reply

#72 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

Do you have kids?

I do. I can tell you that my daughter growing up (she's now almost 18) had these problems growing up. She didn't get to enjoy some of the things I did as a kid. Not because I didn't allow her to, but because an overwhelming majority of parents play by what this article says. I was the odd parent, that let my kid ride her bike blocks away from home to other kids houses (without a helmet), guess what their kids weren't allowed do that (yes I was shocked) half of them didn't even have a bike. Most of the playgrounds in my area got torn down (all where city owned), and made safer, merry-go-rounds and seesaws gone. Rubber pellets everywhere. So don't pretend it's not happening. My sister is one of those that has her kids in a thousand activities to keep them safe, hand sanitizer and all. Don't get me started on participation-trophies, I taught my daughter they are junk, if you didn't get 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, (4th or 5th if there was 1000's involved) you didn't do a good job, go out practice more and get better. When she turned 16 she was one of her few friends that had her licence and was excited about the new freedoms in entailed. A lot of the kids her age are scared to be independent, because they don't know how to. There are other parents like me but we are in the minority, that teach there kids how to be independent and solve problems on there own, the majority are over protective and handle all their kids problems.

#75 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-03 08:40 AM | Reply

Do you have kids?

#75 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN AT

Yes. And before I get going I'd just like to add that I didn't read another line of your post. It's all bull**** anyway.

My son was an NCAA d2 all American wrestler last year as a true freshman. 18 years old.

My daughter is a senior in high school. She isn't paying a nickel to softball and attend a power 5 conference school.

As a "position player."

So, not a pitcher or catcher.

She's all of 5'3" and 130ish.

Deadlifts around 350.

I also have a younger daughter. Sophomore in high schook. Won state in power lifting as a freshman. Plays the trombone in the marching band, isn't into other sports, just likes to lift heavy things.

I think it would be funny if one of you keyboard bad a$$e$ talked this kind of **** to any of them. I'm guessing it wouldn't go as you've imagined it would.

#76 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 09:34 AM | Reply

I'm sure in your minds the reasons they are capable of achieving things you can't pull off whilst sleeping is because they're just a bunch of ------- who are competing against other -------.

Find my son somewhere and grab ahold of him, big meat.

Tell him you never used hand sanitizer while he's beating the teeth out of your head.

#77 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 09:48 AM | Reply

Yes. And before I get going I'd just like to add that I didn't read another line of your post. It's all bull**** anyway.

#76 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

If you didn't read it then your talking out your A--!

I'm not saying kids now can't overcome this junk, despite their parents.

Listing their activities doesn't mean they are learning to be independent though.

**I will also say you should be proud of what they have done, which it looks like you are. That is, impressive stuff right there.**

The question is are they learning to be independent and succeed without you involved? (I'm guessing yes, but I don't know you, so I don't know if that is true or not.)

Bad policy and paranoid parenting are making kids too safe to succeed. This is what the article is about....

#78 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-03 10:03 AM | Reply

Silence, your anecdotal successes as a parent do not negate the argument that as a whole, American society has become overprotective of its children.

I have to say, I don't get why you're so pissy about this...keyboard badasses(?).. nobody is insulting the kids, just the culture.

#79 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-03 10:42 AM | Reply

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."

Socrates, sometime between 469 and 399 BC

#80 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 11:26 AM | Reply

"Socrates! Hey we know that name!" - Bill S. Preston, Esq

#81 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-03 11:39 AM | Reply

How is this article any different than what Socrates was saying 2500ish years ago??

Rhetorocal.

#82 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 11:41 AM | Reply

Jesus Christ betteroffsilencedforgood

My kids, both, have qualified for and competed in both the USAW Youth Nationals and the State Games held this past year in Michigan where they Got Gold, Silver, and Bronze medals between them. One of them is the lead actor in an upcoming musical and was runner of the meet this week for his xcountry team, while his brother was starting goalie for his soccer team.

You know what that all means in relation to this topic? Nothing.

They don't like to go out and ride bikes, because none of their friends are allowed to. The playground at the school down the street... Taken down because some of the slides were "too tall" and therefore dangerous, and the monkey bars were too high.

WTF is your point even?

#83 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-03 12:26 PM | Reply

Best I can tell is that from your #80 is that you think we are saying this is this kids fault. I'm not. I'm saying todays parents overprotect there kids. You don't see any merit in that statement?

#84 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-03 12:28 PM | Reply

Your position on this, and probably scores of other topics, has been wrong for well over 2500 years.

That simply happens to be the oldest example I can find.

I'd be willing to bet that people drew pictures on the walls of caves that told the story of how soft the kids of that time we're and how screwed they all were because of it.

#85 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 12:36 PM | Reply

"I'm saying todays parents overprotect there kids."

Did you like my Bakersfield/Milk Carton/Crack Baby/Neverland Ranch story of how we got here?

What's yours?

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:37 PM | Reply

"I'd be willing to bet that people drew pictures on the walls of caves that told the story of how soft the kids of that time we're and how screwed they all were because of it."

Doesn't mean it can't be right.

Parents didn't have the capacity to digitally track and spy on their kids when we were kids.

When I was in high school, pagers weren't allowed, because that's what drug dealers used. For the past fifteen years you can't take cell phones away from kids. Because their parents collectively ---- enough bricks after 9/11 to build the Wall. What if they need to contact their snowflakes in an emergency?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:40 PM | Reply

#86 I'd say the biggest driver along with those listed is Adam Walsh, and John Walsh's subsequent push make the issue known. Combine that with peoples need to believe they live in special times, sprinkle in the 24hr news cycle and up the ante with the immediate nature of social media and most people will tell you that things are especially dangerous for kids these days. The reality is that percentage wise kids are less likely to be abducted today.

There's a great line in Finding Nemo:
Marlin:
I promised I'd never let anything happen to him.

Dory:
Hmm. That's a funny thing to promise.

Marlin:
What?

Dory:
Well you can't never let anything happen to him. Then nothing would ever happen to him. Not much fun for little Harpo.

#88 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-03 12:45 PM | Reply

#87... sounds like you've come around from your #44?

#89 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-03 12:47 PM | Reply

#88 good call.

Showing police raids live on TV helps crate the aura of fear you seem to be lamenting, even as the right-wing stooges you elect create more and more of it.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:53 PM | Reply

Oh, you don't elect right-wing stooges? You merely vote "libertarian?" Then you're not helping either.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 12:53 PM | Reply

Parents today are indoctrinated in fear.
Now, who would do a thing like that?
Mostly, marketers.
Why?
Money.
On the political side; power.

But as always, it's not quite so cut and dry.
When I was a kid, there weren't child safety seats in cars.
Now there are. Does anyone really think that's a step in the wrong direction?

Another thing to keep in mind is there's about six times as many people in America today as in 1950. Take a look around you, imagine five out of six people not being there. This gives kids a lot more space just in its own right.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 01:02 PM | Reply

You make several good points Snoofy.

Parents today are indoctrinated in fear.
Now, who would do a thing like that?
Mostly, marketers.
Why?
Money.
On the political side; power.

But as always, it's not quite so cut and dry.
When I was a kid, there weren't child safety seats in cars.
Now there are. Does anyone really think that's a step in the wrong direction?

It's not just the right wing stooges, it also the SJW progressives doing the fear mongering. That among many other reasons is why I don't like them.

#93 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-03 01:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"it also the SJW progressives doing the fear mongering."

Throw me a bone.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 01:29 PM | Reply

Oops. Sorry, pinky. I gave you a FF after reading your first sentence.

#95 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-03 01:30 PM | Reply

It was certainly liberals who pushed for an end to war toys, toy guns, that kind of thing. Possibly they were more involved in mandatory bike helmets too.

But it's not like protecting your children is a left vs right thing. That's why it's so easy for marketers to exploit.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 01:31 PM | Reply

But it's not like protecting your children is a left vs right thing. That's why it's so easy for marketers to exploit.

#96 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Lol stop it Snoofy, I'm agreeing with you for once....

#97 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-03 01:34 PM | Reply

#95

It's cool it felt weird to type it too Lmao

#98 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-03 01:35 PM | Reply

"I'd be willing to bet that people drew pictures on the walls of caves that told the story of how soft the kids of that time we're and how screwed they all were because of it."

Doesn't mean it can't be right.

#87 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The fact that we are here having this conversation actually does mean they weren't right.

Also, despite the cuteness about the snowflakes, bricks, and walls my kids aren't allowed using their cell phones in school.

I'm sure my son can now, he's in college. My daughters absolutely can not. My son couldn't either.

#99 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 03:16 PM | Reply

"my kids aren't allowed using their cell phones in school"

Public or private?

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 03:29 PM | Reply

"The fact that we are here having this conversation actually does mean they weren't right."

So you don't think kids are being robbed of a portion of their childhood when their parents put tracking apps on their phones, etc.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 03:37 PM | Reply

Public.

My kid told me a few days ago that a girl's phone rang in class. She answered it and said "Hi Mom. I only answered to thank you for getting me a Saturday school. Bye."

I get it though. You typed "snowflakes", means you've gottsta be right.

#102 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 03:39 PM | Reply

#100

Mine goes to private school and can't use her phone, except at lunch.

The public schools in my city and the ones around it (including the ones in another state) they can be on their phones, for the reason you stated before:

For the past fifteen years you can't take cell phones away from kids. Because their parents collectively ---- enough bricks after 9/11 to build the Wall. What if they need to contact their snowflakes in an emergency?

There's your bone snoofy enjoy.....

#103 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-03 03:43 PM | Reply

#102 What state do you live? You don't have to answer, I'm just curious. Some of this stuff is local city and state stuff. You may very well be in a State or City that is not overreacting.

#104 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-03 03:46 PM | Reply

So you don't think kids are being robbed of a portion of their childhood when their parents put tracking apps on their phones, etc.

#101 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT

My dad had a "tracking app."

It was called the "roughly 3,000 people lived in our town and he knew about 2,999 of them" app.

#105 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 03:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

102 What state do you live?

#104 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN AT

Ohio.

#106 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 03:50 PM | Reply

"My dad had a "tracking app."

So you never got away with anything?

Did you not put tracking apps on your kid phones, then?

What's your opinion of parents who do? Are they helicoptering too much, or just right?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 03:53 PM | Reply

Nope. No tracking app on my kids phones.

I know them well enough to know when something isn't right. When I see it and I know it I say something like "hey, you're ******* up" and then things get a little rough for them.

If someone feels the need to go through all of that I'm sure they have their reasons.

#108 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-03 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#106 You still in a small town? That makes a huge difference. Had relatives that lived in small towns that used the same app your dad did lmao.

I'm in Nebraska, the smaller towns here have more common sense then the bigger Cities (I use big loosely because they aren't that big), I do live in the big city though.

I agree with your #108 and will add to the last line, I don't always agree with the reason, but it is their kid.

#109 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-11-03 04:20 PM | Reply

"If someone feels the need to go through all of that I'm sure they have their reasons."

Yeah. We're kind of talking about if those reasons are any good.

I say they generally aren't.

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-03 04:21 PM | Reply

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