Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, October 28, 2017

Earlier this month, the House of Representatives voted to ban abortion after 20 weeks. Now, the GOP is officially aiming to ban abortions considerably earlier -- at six weeks, before many women even realize they're pregnant. ... In a statement emailed to Teen Vogue, NARAL Pro-Choice America senior vice president Sasha Bruce said, "the GOP's crazy obsession with banning all abortions in this country knows no end, no boundary, and no common sense. "Americans are clear: they want their elected officials addressing the crises our country faces instead of wasting time and taxpayer dollars attempting to ban abortion," Bruce said.

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Good thing the GOP is focusing on real, important issues that need to be dealt with.

I'm interested in seeing how they slip in a loophole for their mistresses.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-27 03:14 PM | Reply

No problem for me.

-Bubba

#2 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2017-10-27 03:25 PM | Reply

I guess the old white Republican men in Congress finally got to the bottom of that whole Benghazi thing and are back to their usual unconstitutional restrictions on women.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-27 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If these modern Republicans were to be real honest they would admit that they'd actually prefer to only apply this law to white women.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-27 03:47 PM | Reply

Where is the article? Where are the facts? This is nothing more than a fearmongering, fund-raising screed by the pro-abortion NARAL.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-27 03:58 PM | Reply

Where is the article? Where are the facts? This is nothing more than a fearmongering, fund-raising screed by the pro-abortion NARAL.

#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

No kidding.

I know they are looking at a bill that limits abortions to the 20-week window, but this is the first I've heard of a 6-week ban. It looks like some BS from NARAL to me.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-27 04:07 PM | Reply

"Congressional Republicans have introduced a federal heartbeat bill, a controversial measure that would ban abortion as soon as a fetal heartbeat can be detected, about six weeks into the pregnancy.

U.S. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), who introduced the bill last week, did not respond to a request for comment about why fetal heartbeats are at the center of the proposed law."

www.huffingtonpost.com

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-27 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How's that crow taste JeffJ?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-27 04:08 PM | Reply

This has as much chance of passing as Bernie's medicare for all.

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-27 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A Nationwide Ban On Abortions After A Month And A Half Was Introduced In Congress

The bill, known as a "heartbeat bill," would ban doctors across the country from preforming an abortion after a fetus's heartbeat was audible -- on average around six weeks into pregnancy. Many women do not know they are pregnant until the second month of a missed period, so the bill would amount to nearly a total abortion ban, King said at Tuesday's press conference.

www.buzzfeed.com

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-27 04:12 PM | Reply

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#7

Thank you, Danni.

That probably would have been a better thing to link to this thread.

No way this passes.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-27 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Men trying desperately to control women's bodies. They really need to give up the ghost.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-27 04:15 PM | Reply

It looks like some BS from Nulli to me, which I fell for. Hook line and sinker
#6 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-27 04:16 PM | Reply

This is the real reason many people voted for trump.

for banning choice and forcing their personal belief of a soul at conception on others, they are willing to support a sex assaulter that makes jfk and bill clinton look like george hw bush level butt gropers; a racist that that calls nazis fine people; a draft dodger with bone spurs that insults POWs; a conman that scammed with a fake university; that has hands smaller than a toddler.

#14 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-27 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"No way this passes."

But the 20 week ban already did.

"Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed legislation Tuesday that would criminalize abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for instances where the life of the mother is at risk and in cases involving rape or ------.

The bill passed the House by a vote of 237 for and 189 against, largely on party lines."

Stay out of the business of women's personal lives. Quit trying to be the judge of morality for others. Remember freedom, guess what, women get to enjoy it too except for right wing Republicans who can't stop inflicting their hate into women's lives.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-28 10:53 AM | Reply

I've always thought it a little odd Republicans would oppose abortion when it's in their best interest to encourage low income women to receive abortions, reduce the welfare roles and the number of future Democrats.

It must be that their support of the Sanctity of Life supersedes their political beliefs.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 12:47 PM | Reply

Danni,

"Republicans who can't stop inflicting their hate into women's lives."

You see it as hatred for women.

Your hatred for Republicans is preventing you from seeing their point of view.

As I've said in the past, my biggest complaint with "pro-choice" people is their refusal to admit the life being stopped is a real actual human being.

I could have far more respect for "pro-choice" people if they could admit it is a human being aborted but believe the woman reserves the right to control her own body over the life of the fetus.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16

Yeah, sure. Must be.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 12:55 PM | Reply

#17

Great. Then would you actually allow them to control their bodies?

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 12:56 PM | Reply

I'd have more respect for the pro-life people if they'd admit the woman's life is as important as anyone else's.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 12:58 PM | Reply

But that can never happen.

The whole abortion ideology would collapse.

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 12:59 PM | Reply

"Sanctity of Life" is not an egalitarian concept for many.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 12:59 PM | Reply

#21

You are a sublime hypocrite, BILL..

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 01:00 PM | Reply

Zed,

On 10/16/16 I added you to my do not respond list.

I have no interest in posters who are angry partisan trolls.

#24 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 01:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Women have the right to kill unwanted intruders just like home owners.

#25 | Posted by bored at 2017-10-28 01:08 PM | Reply

Bored,

"Women have the right to kill unwanted intruders just like home owners."

If you're referring to forced entry, I agree.

But letting someone in your house, then they go home but leave their kid behind so you kill it isn't legal.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 01:16 PM | Reply

Bored,

When you get down to it, it's really quite impossible to justify abortion except to simply say the woman has authority over her body.

It gets more complicated when the woman is irresponsible about birth control.

At what point should a women relinquish that authority?

Personally, I take issue with the fact men lack control over their own reproductive rights.

If a woman willingly allows a man to have sex with her, if a man is willing to accept responsibility for a subsequent pregnancy, I wonder why he isn't allowed to block his living cells from being killed.

Why shouldn't women be held more accountable for allowing themselves to become pregnant?

I'm sure the circumstances when it would and wouldn't apply would need worked out but I do believe men are being left out of an important decision considering it is his life too.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 01:35 PM | Reply

It must be that their support of the Sanctity of Life supersedes their political beliefs.

#16 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Are you blind? Or ar you being sarcastic? Republicans do not believe life is sacred.

For example where is belief in the "Sanctity of Life" whenever the topic of health care comes up? People die due the lack of access to good health care.

Where is the "Sanctity of Life" when it comes to protecting the environment? How many will get sick and die prematurely due to Trump's roll back of environmental protections?

How many will die due the Republicans anti-science agenda?

How many will suffer if they are successful in slashing Medicare?

Sanctity of life my ass.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-28 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Donner,

Trump??

Trump???

My God Man...are you obsessed or just myopic?

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 01:49 PM | Reply

My God Man...are you obsessed or just myopic?

#29 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

You are kidding right. Or are you not paying attention?

Trump is a childish madman and a Liar. Many will suffer because of his selfish actions.


Repeal and replace! Repeal and replace!

Raaaaaaawk!

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-28 02:07 PM | Reply

"Why shouldn't women be held more accountable for allowing themselves to become pregnant?"

What's more accountable than pregnancy?

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-28 02:58 PM | Reply

"When you get down to it, it's really quite impossible to justify abortion except to simply say the woman has authority over her body."

Wow, you finally get it!

Seriously, congratulations.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 03:33 PM | Reply

"I wonder why he isn't allowed to block his living cells from being killed."

His living cells?
Your own language rejects the fetus as its own person.
Checkmate atheists.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 03:36 PM | Reply

"On 10/16/16 I added you to my do not respond list."

And twelve whole days later, you responded.

If your butt-hurt were a fetus, it might have a heartbeat by now!

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 03:39 PM | Reply

10/16/16

Technically a year and twelve days, but by starting that post.

"Zed"

I guess he has to start all over now.

Hehe

#35 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-10-28 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy,

And you were added 7/17/17.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 04:01 PM | Reply

#36

Oops, Snoofy, he means starting now, lol

#37 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-10-28 04:03 PM | Reply

Bruce,

You think this is a game?

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 04:05 PM | Reply

#17

I always read your posts.

Since you never read my posts I guess you'll never see this simple observation.

Many pro-life people SAY they're pro-life because they fell they're expected to.

When they want abortions they get them.

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 04:07 PM | Reply

#38

Yes, Bill. It's a game. Are you having fun playing?

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 04:08 PM | Reply

It's a game where a bunch of men make decisions for women in congress. Women certainly don't think it's a game

#41 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-10-28 04:10 PM | Reply

"You think this is a game?"

What am I supposed to think, when you respond to people on your "Do Not Respond" list?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zed,

You are correct.

Abortion rates among conservatives is significant.

Why do you hold conservatives to a higher standard than you do yourself?

Do you always do what you believe?

People who have higher ideals of morality most certainly are hypocrites more often than people who don't.

20 week babies are viable.

6 week babies are not. I have my doubts this ban will get anywhere.

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 04:21 PM | Reply

"I have my doubts this ban will get anywhere."

So then what's the purpose of it?
Just a game, you think?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 04:24 PM | Reply

"His living cells?
Your own language rejects the fetus as its own person."

^
Let's talk about that, BillJohnson.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 04:25 PM | Reply

"I could have far more respect for "pro-choice" people if they could admit it is a human being aborted"

I "admit" or rather state affirmatively it's human life being aborted.
"Human being: is problematic.
Here's why:

hu·man be·ing
noun
a man, woman, or child of the species ---- sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

As you can see the basic definition of "human being" does not extend to the fetus, embryo, etc. So it's not appropriate to think of fetuses as human beings.

That's called counting your chickens before they hatch.

Unless you ask for your chickens over easy in the morning with a side of toast. Is that a thing you do? Please be a thing you do.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 04:29 PM | Reply

#43

BILL,

If my wife were pregnant and competent and wanted to deliver despite a risk to her own life, that's a correct decision.

If my wife is pregnant and not competent and I choose to save her rather than see her deliver, that's also a correct decision.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 04:36 PM | Reply

Bill, my girlfriend got an abortion, do you think of me as a parent who lost a child?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 04:38 PM | Reply

I agree that there are hypocrites everywhere. I am often one.

Institionalizng hypocrisy will always be too big of a step for me.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-28 04:40 PM | Reply

This waste of time is so that GOPers can tell their constituents they tried.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-28 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"20 week babies are viable."

That's a lie. 20-week babies are NOT viable. No 20-week baby has EVER survived.

www.foxnews.com

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-28 05:17 PM | Reply

Most 20 week babies are perfectly viable.
20 week fetuses, not so much.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 05:23 PM | Reply

"This waste of time is so that GOPers can tell their constituents they tried."

Why do their constituents even want this? That's what I can't figure out.

Actually, I can figure out it's mostly about controlling women, but that usually raises the hackles of people who grudgingly support abortion but don't have a good answer for why this is a thing that GOP constituents want.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 05:28 PM | Reply

"20 week fetuses, not so much."

Mea culpa.

21 weeks, 5 days is the record.

Pro-birth folks treat every milestone like a new record in the sub-4-minute mile.

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-28 05:31 PM | Reply

"Why shouldn't women be held more accountable for allowing themselves to become pregnant?"

Isn't the ultimate accountability that the buck stops with the woman in deciding what to do bout it?

Yes, yes it is.

Thanks for reading, have a blessed day!

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 05:31 PM | Reply

It does appear that some Republicans are excellent at shooting themselves in the foot.

#56 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-28 06:26 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Bill, my girlfriend got an abortion, do you think of me as a parent who lost a child?"

Yes....you fathered a child.

You were someone's dad.

(I wonder how many men and women secretly track the age of aborted children all their lives)

#57 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 06:29 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Suppose in the spring you drove to the store and purchased a pack of tomato seeds, took them home, and put them in the ground.

Some time later after the plants are growing you see little green balls forming on yellow blooms.

When you go in the house and tell your girlfriend, what will you tell her?

If you're like most people you'll probably say something like, "the plant is starting to make tomatoes"

Funny how unripe tomatoes are "tomatoes" but unripe people aren't "people".

Would that mean you have more respect for vegetables than humans?

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 06:45 PM | Reply

Can you imagine how much of a better place this world would be if Prescott Bush, Dotard, and Steve Bannon's mom's had abortions??

#59 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-10-28 06:50 PM | Reply

Bill trying to force his Christian sharia law on to others.
Typical extremist Christian behavior.

#so sad

#60 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-10-28 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Aborted,

You are a liar.

I never suggested laws should be changed.

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 06:57 PM | Reply

Aborted,

Is lying how you win arguments?

I hate liars.

#62 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-28 06:58 PM | Reply

"I hate liars."

Like folks who claim a fetus is viable at 20 weeks?

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-28 07:04 PM | Reply

"I never suggested laws should be changed."

Are you 100% sure you don't want a fetus to be regarded as a person under the law, the way you regard it in this discussion?

Why the disconnect?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 07:53 PM | Reply

"I hate liars."

I hate people who pretend can't tell the difference between a fetus and a person, and use the terms loosely and interchangeably.

They're liars.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 07:55 PM | Reply

"Funny how unripe tomatoes are "tomatoes" but unripe people aren't "people".

"Unripe tomato" differentiates it from being a regular "tomato."
Just like "fetus" differentiates it from being a regular "person."

Meanwhile, across town, the whistle sounds at the factory and the assembly line cranks up, and the workers are staring to make cars. But they aren't cars until they roll off the assembly line.

I am saddened that you deceive yourself to thoroughly to believe the things you want to believe. We were probably both happier when you lived up to your promise to just ignore me. Thanks for reading, have a blessed day.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 08:02 PM | Reply

"(I wonder how many men and women secretly track the age of aborted children all their lives)"

"Aborted children."

There you go, lying again.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 08:03 PM | Reply

"Why do their constituents even want this? That's what I can't figure out."

They believe it's immoral and wrong to take a life.

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-28 08:35 PM | Reply

"They believe it's immoral and wrong to take a life."

Not if the choice is between tax cuts or Medicaid.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-28 08:39 PM | Reply

They believe it's immoral and wrong to take a life.

Posted by eberly at 2017-10-28 08:35 PM | Reply

Unless it's killing of brown people in far off lands so they can fel all macho and crap. Then they don't care. Or care about the babies that they want to force being born.

#70 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-28 08:51 PM | Reply

"They believe it's immoral and wrong to take a life."

No, that's not it.
Support for the death penalty, support for wars, not thinking much of Black Lives Matter...
Plenty of times when taking a life is tolerated.

Maybe you'd like to have a go at why you see abortion differently than so many around you. That would probably be informative.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 08:57 PM | Reply

69/70

Yeah.....some, not all, pro lifers have consistency issues.

Some, however, believe in Medicaid and not killing brown people as well.

IOW, Some are consistent.

Do either of you care?

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-28 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Meanwhile, supporters of abortion don't think it's always okay and moral to take a life.

For example, I don't know too many supporters of abortion rights who think banning elective abortion in the third trimester, which Roe allows, is intolerable.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 09:02 PM | Reply

Sure, I care a lot.
I'd love to know how to make others care about women's lives too.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 09:02 PM | Reply

Snoofy, I don't think you know.....well....anybody.

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-28 09:04 PM | Reply

Now you're just bristling because you didn't like my explanation of why so many of your peers oppose abortion rights.

Do you think I had a kid? I'm morbidly curious.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 09:05 PM | Reply

50% of Catholics voted for Obama...meaning they view "pro-life" more broad than you think.

It's not just about abortion. It's about health care, welfare, wars, etc...

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-28 09:07 PM | Reply

"The mother has a choice, but what about the child's choice?"

When does the child EVER have a choice? Power of consent lies with the parent until 18 years. Further, when does the child have a right to choose when he/she is born into an environment of poverty and abuse? If anyone (such as my mother) really wants to go down that road, I'm all for the in depth discussion.

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-28 09:07 PM | Reply

"Your peers"

We're done.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-28 09:07 PM | Reply

What's wrong with peers?
The folks who would sit on a jury of your peers, that kind of thing.
No?
Customers? Neighbors? Fellow Kansans?
So much anger.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-28 09:08 PM | Reply

@Billyboy,
If you hate liars then you must have a lot of self hate going on!
You voted for a liar, your favorite political sources are liars, the heads of your Christian religion are liars. You are so stupid you are lying and being lied to so much you don't realize it.

I think tonight I'm going get a woman pregnant tonight and convince her to have an abortion in your honor! We are going to name the clump of cells Bill Johnson! Congrats BillyBoy, we will send you the bill for the abortion!

#81 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-10-28 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The mother has a choice, but what about the child's choice?"

-- -- -- --
If I was a CLUMP OF CELLS and let's pretend for a minute I had a choice, if I was going to be the child of Bill Johnson or some other religiously insane dotard, then abort me, as living in that hypocritical repressed world would be a living hell!

#82 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-10-28 09:43 PM | Reply

...if a man is willing to accept responsibility for a subsequent pregnancy...
#27 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Um...I really don't think that's possible.

#83 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-10-29 10:22 AM | Reply

If a woman willingly allows a man to have sex with her, if a man is willing to accept responsibility for a subsequent pregnancy, I wonder why he isn't allowed to block his living cells from being killed.
Why shouldn't women be held more accountable for allowing themselves to become pregnant?
I'm sure the circumstances when it would and wouldn't apply would need worked out but I do believe men are being left out of an important decision considering it is his life too.

#27 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2017-10-28 01:35 PM | REPLY

That's barbaric Christian Right Winged thinking.

#84 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-29 10:29 AM | Reply

"Republicans Seek Abortion Ban at 6 Weeks"

Alternative headline: Republicans are cool with murdering 6 week old humans

#85 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2017-10-29 10:52 AM | Reply

"They believe it's immoral and wrong to take a life."
No, that's not it.
Support for the death penalty,

I once made a theology student cry when we were discussing abortion and I asked about the death penalty which he was for. I told him that was very Christ like.

Since Jesus was a fisher of men throwing the little ones back so you could kill them later made sense.

Bill,

It gets more complicated when the woman is irresponsible about birth control.

What about the fact that many of the same politicians who are trying to block abortions also try to block access to birth control? You can't say a woman was irresponsible about birth control while trying to ban contraceptives and block insurance coverage of some which can be very pricey.

#86 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-10-29 11:06 AM | Reply

"Why shouldn't women be held more accountable for allowing themselves to become pregnant?"

You are simply crazy. Do you understand that? How many millions of women have raised children without even the slightest assistance from those children's fathers? I know I have and I'll tell you what Bill, if you said that same thing to me in person I'd knock your head off of your shoulders. For a woman to carry a baby to term is her decision not yours. You get no say in the matter because it isn't your body that carries the fetus.

#87 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bill, my girlfriend got an abortion, do you think of me as a parent who lost a child?

#48 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yes.

#88 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-29 11:54 AM | Reply

I think abortion needs to be legal.

That doesn't mean I'm going to deceive myself as to how barbaric and repugnant abortion is. It is state-sanctioned murder and the depths that some on the pro-choice side go to dehumanize a developing life in order to justify it is appalling.

#89 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-29 11:56 AM | Reply

That doesn't mean I'm going to deceive myself as to how barbaric and repugnant abortion is. It is state-sanctioned murder and the depths that some on the pro-choice side go to dehumanize a developing life in order to justify it is appalling.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-29 11:56 AM | Reply

It's a medical procedure NOT State sanctioned murder. You're thinking of the death penalty.

#90 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-29 12:01 PM | Reply

It's arbitrarily terminating a life.

Like I said, i think it needs to be legal. What I refuse to do is sugar-coat what it is in order to justify it.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-29 12:03 PM | Reply

I take a pretty libertarian stance on abortion.

I will never have one(duh), I would encourage a girl I got pregnant to not have one, and will support the child if she chooses to carry it to term (see my oldest who is less than half my age for proof). However I don't have any interest in telling anyone else what to do.

#92 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-10-29 12:24 PM | Reply

my girlfriend got an abortion, do you think of me as a parent who lost a child?
#48 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yes.
#88 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

LOL. What moves you to think I lost a thing a I never had?

MWhen it comes up tell people I have one sibling, but the truth is our mom had a miscarriage as well. Am I being a little dishonest there, do I really have a second sibling that died?

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 02:02 PM | Reply

"What I refuse to do is sugar-coat what it is in order to justify it."

So, noticing that the fetus being aborted is typically not viable outside the mother, that's a sugar-coat for you? Roe v Wade doesn't think it's a sugar-coat. What other things did Roe get wrong?

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 02:11 PM | Reply

Hey JeffJ, if a person were nside you, would you have the right to remove them, or does that other person have a Constitutional right to remain inside your body merely by virtue of being conceived there, and can you tell me where you find that in the Constitution.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 02:13 PM | Reply

"That doesn't mean I'm going to deceive myself as to how barbaric and repugnant abortion is."

Sorry, what was barbaric and repugnant about my girlfriend getting an abortion, exactly?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 02:21 PM | Reply

"Personally, I take issue with the fact men lack control over their own reproductive rights."

What "control" is lacking, when it comes to men's reproductive rights?
Men have the right to reproduce with anyone who so chooses to reproduce with them.
Is that not a strong enough right?
Should men have the right to reproduce with people who might not want to reproduce with them too?

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 02:24 PM | Reply

Sorry, what was barbaric and repugnant about my girlfriend getting an abortion, exactly?
#96 | Posted by snoofy

probably the sex part.

#98 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-29 02:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Like I said, i think it needs to be legal. What I refuse to do is sugar-coat what it is in order to justify it."

The reason most people keep such things to themselves is to avoid the judgemental a*****s who think they are entitled to have an opinion about something that is none of the God damned business.

#99 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Personally, I take issue with the fact men lack control over their own reproductive rights.

Since no-one is forcing a dude to deposit his essence into a willingly fertile womb, there are ways to...ahem...interdict this donation to prevent fecundation...such as the wearing of a prophylactic device or at the very least, withdrawing at the penultimate moment of denouement and discharging his Onanistic parcel via coitus interruptusto a more commodious whereabouts.

#100 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-10-29 02:55 PM | Reply

What "control" is lacking, when it comes to men's reproductive rights?

#97 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Well there is a double standard to parental rights between women and men when abortion is discussed. If a woman wants to choose to give up her parental rights before the life that is growing in her is viable that's her right, whether the man wants to keep the developing life or not. A man on the other hand has no such right, he can be forced to accept his parental rights, whether he wants to keep the developing life or not. My beleif is that if a woman can give up her parental responsibilities before viability of the fetus, the man should be allowed the same right.

#101 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-29 02:59 PM | Reply

#100

And what happens when the prophylactic device breaks?

One thing about birth control is women have a ton of reasonably good options while men only have 2 (3 if you count coitus interruptus). One with a relatively high failure rate and some serious enjoyment downsides, and one with a smaller failure rate but becomes pretty much a lifetime commitment not to have children. I discount coitus interruptus because typically the younger the man is the less likely he is to do it right and those younger guys are the ones less likely to be able to deal with a pregnancy.

Not making excuses for guys mind you just pointing out that discussing reproductive rights is very one sided. That is fair given the burden women have to bear in the process of reproducing but ignoring it gives ammo to the MRA type jackholes.

#102 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-10-29 03:16 PM | Reply

"My beleif is that if a woman can give up her parental responsibilities before viability of the fetus, the man should be allowed the same right."

Your "belief" forgets that the child will need to be supported and hopefully by someone other than the state.

#103 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 03:20 PM | Reply

That's the double standard Danni. A woman cant be forced to accept the responsibilities of support while a man can be. They should both have the right to reject their parental rights before the age of viability. And one certainly shouldnt have the right to force parental responsibilities on the other be they the man or woman.

#104 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-29 03:29 PM | Reply

"Well there is a double standard to parental rights between women and men when abortion is discussed."

Fetuses aren't children, so there's your double standard.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 03:49 PM | Reply

"That's the double standard Danni. A woman cant be forced to accept the responsibilities of support while a man can be."

That is utter nonsense. I accepted the responsibilities for three children and the men involved accepted no responsiblity. Lot's of men avoid all responsibility. All of them chose to put themselves in the position you complain of, grow up. Take responsibility for your actions, if you don't want to be a father there are several ways to avoid it.

#106 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A man on the other hand has no such right, he can be forced to accept his parental rights"

Setting aside that this right doesn't exist, if it did, exercising it places the woman who doesn't want a child in servitude to the fetus that is the child-to-be for the nine months of pregnancy.

And that is antithetical to liberty.

When science gets to the point where the fetus can be transferred from the woman to the man, you might have a case though.

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 03:54 PM | Reply

A woman cant be forced to be a mother against her will, but a man can be forced to be a father against his. Its a pretty blatant double standard.

#108 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-29 03:56 PM | Reply

Setting aside that this right doesn't exist, if it did, exercising it places the woman who doesn't want a child in servitude to the fetus that is the child-to-be for the nine months of pregnancy.
And that is antithetical to liberty.
When science gets to the point where the fetus can be transferred from the woman to the man, you might have a case though.
#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Not at all. Im not talking about making women carry the fetus to term. If they want to keep it they should, if they dont they shouldnt, but in the same breath if she does choose to keep it and the man doesnt want to he should be allowed to give up his potential parental rights just as she has that option.

#109 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-29 04:01 PM | Reply

"Not at all. Im not talking about making women carry the fetus to term. If they want to keep it they should, if they dont they shouldnt, but in the same breath if she does choose to keep it and the man doesnt want to he should be allowed to give up his potential parental rights just as she has that option."

You want fairness the way a child sees fairness. I want the child to be supported and not by the state. The time to decide you don't want to be a father is before you have sex.

#110 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 04:07 PM | Reply

The time to decide you don't want to be a father is before you have sex.

#110 | POSTED BY DANNI

Why doesn't the same hold true for the mother?

#111 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-29 04:14 PM | Reply

"if she does choose to keep it and the man doesnt want to he should be allowed to give up his potential parental rights just as she has that option."

Are you talking about having to pay child support for a kid you didn't want, but she did?

That's not a right, that's a responsibility.

That being said, I get your point. I'm not sure it's fair that a man should be on the hook for child support when he's declared he doesn't want to have the child.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 05:29 PM | Reply

That being said, I get your point. I'm not sure it's fair that a man should be on the hook for child support when he's declared he doesn't want to have the child.

#112 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

That's my point exactly. Especially when the other potential parent has the right to declare they dont want the potential child and responsibilities of said potential child.

#113 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-29 05:35 PM | Reply

The father doesn't have to give up his own flesh and blood and nine months to make the child.

So there's that double standard too.

The two aren't equally burdened by the choice.

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 05:43 PM | Reply

"That's my point exactly. Especially when the other potential parent has the right to declare they dont want the potential child and responsibilities of said potential child."

Take it up with God, He designed us the way we are. Just know that if you make a woman pregnant be prepared to share the support of the child.

#115 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 06:10 PM | Reply

Take it up with God, He designed us the way we are.
#115 | POSTED BY DANNI

Argumentum ad verecundiam holds no weight with me.

#116 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-29 09:08 PM | Reply

"Take it up with God, He designed us the way we are."

Institutional sexism is okay because God made us different. Oh-kay...

Sorry, but people like you are why women have had bad karma for centuries.

#117 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-10-29 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And what happens when the prophylactic device breaks?

That's why it's called "getting ------." ;>)

#118 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-10-29 11:06 PM | Reply

Sorry, what was barbaric and repugnant about my girlfriend getting an abortion, exactly?

#96 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Do you need visual aids? Do you not know what abortion is?

#119 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-29 11:19 PM | Reply

The RepubliKlan party is not pro-life, if they were they would favor: universal health care; free pre-natal care for all pregnant women; the extension of the CHIP program; free school lunches; universal pre-school; free daycare; food stamps; you know programs that actually assist with LIFE, and support young mothers in making a LIFE for their young children. Of course, they would also be opposed to the death penalty, because of sanctity of life, and forgiving the sinner of his/her sins.

No, the RepubliKlans are the forced birth party.

This is all about power and control. RepubliKlan men and some women feel so powerless, they feel they have to exert power over women's bodies, make their healthcare decisions for them, keep them in their place. They want to punish these dirty women for having SEX. It's funny, I saw a recent study that showed most women who have abortions already have children and are making financial decision to make the lives of their existing children better by removing a cluster of cells. RepubliKlans are disgusting.

#120 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-10-30 04:59 AM | Reply

You could list off a dozen reasons why the DemonKrats are not truly pro choice, and are in fact an anti choice party, but you'd still be flying off on equally dubious tangents.

#121 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-10-30 10:16 AM | Reply

"You could list off a dozen reasons why the DemonKrats are not truly pro choice"

Really?

Go ahead, knock yourself out.

#122 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-30 10:20 AM | Reply

"Sorry, but people like you are why women have had bad karma for centuries."

Women have had bad karma for centuries? Hilarious! You couldn't exhibit your ignorance any better than that. Unbelievable.

#123 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-30 10:26 AM | Reply

"You could list off a dozen reasons why the DemonKrats are not truly pro choice, and are in fact an anti choice party, but you'd still be flying off on equally dubious tangents."

Would it be possible to write a more stupid sentence? Sentinel takes stupidity and ignorance too to a level rarely seen here. Thank God for a sense of humor because that clown would be scary if we couldn't laugh at him.

#124 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-30 10:28 AM | Reply

"Would it be possible to write a more stupid sentence?"

I think you just did.

#125 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-10-30 01:21 PM | Reply

"Do you need visual aids? Do you not know what abortion is?"

Really, that's your answer?

I consistently expect better from you, though I'm really not sure why.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-30 01:27 PM | Reply

"The time to decide you don't want to be a father is before you have sex.
#110 | POSTED BY DANNI

Why doesn't the same hold true for the mother?
#111 | POSTED BY TXLIBERTARIAN"

Because the mother has the liberty to get an abortion.

If the father was carrying the fetus, he would have that right too.

It's not hard to figure out, unless you really don't want to.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-30 01:30 PM | Reply

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