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Friday, October 27, 2017

Nancy LeTourneau, Washington Monthly: Given that the Steele dossier is back in the news and everyone from the president to right-wing commentators are claiming that it is "fake," I thought it might be helpful to provide a quick look at the portions of the document that have been corroborated. We have no way of knowing if Robert Mueller's team has additional information, so this will simply be based on what is already public knowledge. Here are the most significant claims from the Steele dossier that have been at least partially corroborated. Given that many of the reports in the Steele dossier were dated prior to news reports that confirmed the activities described, most of the significant events contained in the dossier have been corroborated -- this is hardly a document that has been discredited. There is a reason why it became central to the investigation of whether or not the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians to influence the 2016 election.

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1. The Kremlin had been recruiting Trump for 5-8 years.

2. Putin's interest in Trump was fueled by his desire to sow discord both in the U.S. and within the Transatlantic alliance.

3. Source D in the dossier, who is described as a close associate of Trump, reported in June 2016 that Russian intelligence about Hillary Clinton that had been shared with the campaign was "very helpful."

4. The conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign was managed by Paul Manafort and Carter Page.

5. Russia's hacking of emails from DNC and John Podesta was done with the "full knowledge and support of the Trump campaign." In return, they agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and question US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe as a distraction.

6. The dossier suggests that payments to cyber operators in the U.S. working on these efforts were made using the Russian emigre pension fund via diplomatic staff. Specifically mentioned is Mikhail Kulagin (whose name was misspelled). It also stated that Kulagin was withdrawn from Washington on short notice as a prophylactic measure due to his "heavy involvement in the U.S. presidential operation, including the so-called veteran's pension ruse."

7. Carter Page met with Igor Sechin in July 2016 while he was in Moscow. They discussed the possible brokerage of up to 19 percent in Rosneft in exchange for lifting the sanctions against the company.

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#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-27 02:14 PM | Reply

It was paid for with profits from the child sex ring that Hillary ran out of the basement of her pizza shop.

-- rightofidianism

#2 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-10-27 02:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Interesting article Tony, but only 3 and 7 have any evidence attached to them and the rest is conjecture or admits that the Trump Campaign had no role in the claimed activity.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-27 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The dossier is filled with whatever the purchaser wants to hear.

It was provided by the Kremlin and Russian spies.
Which according to some here, can't be trusted. Unless it's about Trump.

#MassHysteria

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-27 02:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Glad to see that Douchegood remains obsessed with Nulli and me, but his continual references to child sex rings are beyond creepy.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-27 02:23 PM | Reply

Here's another article that goes into more detail:

A Second Look at the Steele Dossier -- Knowing What We Know Now

As outsiders without the investigative tools available to the FBI, we can only look at the information and determine if it makes sense given subsequent events and the revelation of additional information. Mr. Steele did not have the benefit of knowing Mr. Trump would win the election or how events might play out. In this regard, does any of the information we have learned since June 2016 assign greater or less credibility to the information? Were the people mentioned in the report real? Were their affiliations correct? Did any of the activities reported happen as predicted?

To a large extent, yes.

www.justsecurity.org

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-27 02:36 PM | Reply

#6

That is a much better article, but one has to read it in context, starting with this:

"The so-called Steele dossier is not a dossier at all. A dossier suggests a summary or case history. Mr. Steele's product is not a report delivered with a bow at the end of an investigation. Instead, it is a series of contemporaneous raw reports that do not have the benefit of hindsight. Among the unnamed sources are "a senior Russian foreign ministry official," "a former top-level intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin," and "a close associate of Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump." Thus, the reports are not an attempt to connect the dots, but instead an effort to uncover new and potentially relevant dots in the first place."

After talking about how to digest the raw data at length, here is the only conclusion he draws:

"I think it is fair to say that the report is not "garbage" as several commentators claimed. The Orbis sources certainly got some things right – details that they could not have known prior. Of course, the failure of the Trump team to report details that later leaked out and fit the narrative may make the Steele allegations appear more prescient than they otherwise might.

All that said, one large portion of the dossier is crystal clear, certain, consistent and corroborated. Russia's goal all along has been to do damage to America and our leadership role in the world. Also, the methods described in the report fit the Russians to a tee. If the remainder of the report is largely true, Russia has a powerful weapon to help achieve its goal. Even if it is largely false, the Kremlin still benefits from the confusion, uncertainty and political churn created by the resulting fallout. In any regard, the Administration could help cauterize the damage by being honest, transparent and assisting those looking into the matter. Sadly, the President has done the opposite, ensuring a Russian win no matter what. In any event, I would suspect the Russians will look to muddy the waters and spread false and misleading information to confuse investigators and public officials."

So the only conclusion he draws is that "Russia's goal all along has been to do damage to America and our leadership role in the world." He does not opine on whether the rest of the report is true or false, but does opine as to the fallout from either of those scenarios.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-27 02:55 PM | Reply

I seem to recall reading in an article about McCain taking the dossier to Comey that there is another, longer version of the dossier. The author said something like we don't know if the dossier McCain took was the one Buzzfeed published or the other purported longer, "real" dossier. I could be wrong though. I looked last night but couldn't find the quote. I bring this up because if there is a longer version, it might not connect the dots, but it might offer more dots to connect.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-27 03:16 PM | Reply

For most Americans it is obvious that the Trump campaign was interested in Russian help during the election, got Russian help during the election, met with Russians before the elections and thus did collude with the Russians during the election. I'm not going to get into a debate about it with any of the blind Trump agents (posters) who post here but they know as well as I do they are defending a losing case.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-27 03:38 PM | Reply

I understand where you are coming from Danni, but the first part of your factual recitation does not automatically result in your conclusion that "thus did collude with the Russians during the election". Collusion has a very specific legal meaning, and it now appears that Hillary and the DNC, through Fusion GPS, "was interested in Russian help during the election, got Russian help during the election, met with Russians before the elections". Does that automatically, in your mind, equal collusion by the DNC and Hillary? It doesn't for me and I doubt it does for you as well.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-27 03:55 PM | Reply

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There is no criminal charge of collusion in the context of Trump and Russia. If crimes were committed, they will be prosecuted under other laws. The term is used to illustrate a coordinated effort between two separate entities toward a common goal or result.

Fusion GPS was paid to gather information regardless of who was paying the bill at any given moment. They were never charged to shape whatever information they received to fit a narrative preferred by their benefactors. Opposition research is just that: finding out potential dirt on political opponents that might be used against them during a campaign. Fusion GPS was a contracted employee of multiple entities, including the FBI, but that was only because their research uncovered a potential criminal conspiracy involving people within the GOP presidential candidate's inner circle of advisors and family with a foreign government directly trying to influence the outcome of a US presidential election.

The dossier was generally "raw intelligence," some of which was secretly corroborated by other nations' intelligence agencies who had already compiled much of the same information that Steele found. None of this is new, and was known by those paying attention as far back as the summer of 2016. The dictionary or technical definition of 'dossier' isn't germane as it regards the information compiled under its title. Someone, somewhere gave it that moniker and it stuck. Steele referred the information outside of Fusion GPS' funders for the express reason he believed it had national security implications globally far beyond any political use of the information. It's patently absurd to claim that Democrats tried to shape or use the information through any coordination with Russian sources that Steele himself used to verify aspects of the allegations. And the largest negation of any coordination is the absolute fact that none of the most salacious and damning information within the report was ever used by Hillary Clinton before the election which is the express purpose of oppo research!

The fact of the matter is that the Clinton campaign was right not to publicize the allegations inside Steele's report since it could not be verified with certainty before the election. Paying for research was in no way cooperating with the Russians in the sense the Russians recruited and directly impacted the Trump campaign and continue to receive deference neither Congress nor the previous Administration wanted them to have.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-27 05:03 PM | Reply

The fact of the matter is that the Clinton campaign was right not to publicize the allegations inside Steele's report...so instead, they leaked it to a bunch of media outlets in the hopes that at least one would have a low enough level of journalistic integrity to run with it. Buzzfeed stepped up to the plate.

Also, a fair amount of what is contained in this dossier was from Russian sources.

The left rightly flipped out that Don Jr. accepted a meeting with a Russian lawyer promising dirt on Clinton. Of course, Jr. didn't pay her any money or receive any kind of dirt, but the intent was there and it was the "smoking gun" that the left was pining for. Yet, this dossier is exactly what the left has been accusing Team Trump of doing and, all of a sudden, this is no big deal to anyone on the left other than Gal Tuesday.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-27 05:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For the record, I had (and still have) a MAJOR problem with Don Jr accepting the invitation from that Russian lawyer and I said so when that story broke.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-27 05:18 PM | Reply

"Yet, this dossier is exactly what the left has been accusing Team Trump of doing."

Trump has been accused of a lot though.

This dossier isn't a Russian AstroTurf social media campaign, nor did it grab anyone. Can you be more specific?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-27 05:29 PM | Reply

so instead, they leaked it to a bunch of media outlets

Attribution please.

And again, it never mattered. The only entity having the ability to verify the information is the government, and they had the report before any media source publicized it. It's never been more than it's reported to be: raw intelligence with anonymous verification through unnamable sources, ie. spywork.

It amazing how much BS is being thrown into something so straightforward. Either crimes were committed or they weren't. The media isn't going to be the determinant, law enforcement will be. I have no problem with this whatsoever.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-27 05:44 PM | Reply

Tony,

I am not convinced there is anything criminal about this.

My point is that a lot of hay was made about Don Jr accepting an invitation to meet with a Russian lawyer when she promised dirt on Hillary. He didn't pay her any money nor did she provide him any dirt. Yet, the intent was cited as collusion with the Russians. With this dossier, much of what is in it came from Russian sources and this dossier was paid for.

So, which is it?

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-27 05:52 PM | Reply

"Yet, this dossier is exactly what the left has been accusing Team Trump of doing."

#14 | Posted by snoofy

Surprise........... It was bought and paid for by the dnc and hillary campaign.

#17 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-27 05:53 PM | Reply

Surprise........... It was bought and paid for by the dnc and hillary campaign.

First, get your facts straight. First it was reportedly paid for by a donor with ties to Jeb Bush during the GOP primary. Roger Stone is saying today that it was Marco Rubio, but no one denies who the first party to contract with Fusion GPS on Trump oppo research was a Republican-connected entity. Once Trump won the primary, the funding was picked up by the law firm of the DNC and Clinton campaign as any relevant oppo research would be as a course of normal political practice. Lastly, once exposed by Steele or other non-DNC/Clinton sources to the FBI, they began to pay Steele to continue his research because of the obvious national security implications if the information could be verified.

None of these connections is remotely illegal or immoral. It's business as usual and the information discovered is Trump's potential fault, not the fault of those seeking any and all proportedly damaging information.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-27 06:18 PM | Reply

#17 | POSTED BY SNIPER

No matter how many times a moron like you types otherwise, the Republicans still bought it first. Why do you hate the United States, sniper?

#19 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-27 06:23 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

"If it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

Purchasing dirt is not the same as knowing about the deliberate hacking of opponents' emails, voting systems, and the targeted spread and release of misinformation to the the mentally weak.

No matter how much you try to twist it; trump and his campaign knowingly sought to undermine a fair election process.

#20 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-27 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Of course, Jr. didn't pay her any money or receive any kind of dirt, but the intent was there and it was the "smoking gun" that the left was pining for."

Of course, you have no idea whether Don Jr paid any money or received any kind of dirt. You just pulled that out of your rear.

And the intent to collude with the Russians was definitely there.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-27 07:52 PM | Reply

Of course, you have no idea whether Don Jr paid any money or received any kind of dirt. You just pulled that out of your rear.
And the intent to collude with the Russians was definitely there.

#21 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

DNC and Clinton campaign DID pay for and receive dirt
knowing it was coming from Russians while intentionally using 2-3 layers between them.

Also failed to report payments to GPS Fusion.
Is that how oppo research werks?

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-27 08:06 PM | Reply

"Roger Stone is saying today that it was Marco Rubio"

Looks like Stone is right:

www.drudge.com

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-27 08:36 PM | Reply

Here's what I don't get: why would top Russian intelligence agents expose Putin's plan to elect Trump? Why would they say that Putin hacked the DNC and gave the emails to Assange? Because they hate Putin and love Hillary? That definitely does not pass the smell test.

And why didn't Putin have everyone involved shot for revealing his Master Plan? They informants had to have known they would be exposed.

I think the whole dossier is a made up trove of lies that didn't come from Russian intelligence agents at all. I think Steele made the whole thing up for the money he was offered.

#24 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-27 08:42 PM | Reply

"I think Steele made the whole thing up for the money he was offered."

I doubt it. Steele has a solid reputation and doing something like that wouldn't be good for business:

The British spy behind the Trump dossier helped the FBI bust FIFA

In 2010, Steele helped deliver information about FIFA to the FBI that eventually led to indictments of many current and former officials of the soccer governing body, as well as the ouster of longtime FIFA president Sepp Blatter.

Reuters reported Thursday that it had viewed emails showing that Steele met with members of the FBI's "Eurasian Organized Crime" squad. The ex-spy's London-based consulting firm, Orbis Business Intelligence, had been hired in 2009 by England's Football Association to investigate allegations of corruption by FIFA.

www.washingtonpost.com

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-27 08:50 PM | Reply

Of course, you have no idea whether Don Jr paid any money or received any kind of dirt. You just pulled that out of your rear.

You have no idea whether Don Jr paid any money or received any kind of dirt. My assessment is based upon the fact that we have zero evidence to support the allegation. If something else surfaces....

And the intent to collude with the Russians was definitely there.

#21 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-27 08:53 PM | Reply

Purchasing dirt is not the same as knowing about the deliberate hacking of opponents' emails, voting systems, and the targeted spread and release of misinformation to the the mentally weak.

#20 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Did any of that happen? I haven't seen anything to substantiate that. If you have something, please share it. I am serious.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-27 08:54 PM | Reply

JeffJ, I feel like I must ask you, did any of 1 thru 7 in the article summary happen? Or is the jury still out?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-27 09:01 PM | Reply

#25 Gal, the allegations Steele made are enormous, and he won't name his sources (he took the fifth in front of Congress). I seriously doubt all of it.

#29 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-27 09:17 PM | Reply

The (Ir)relevance of the Trump "Dossier"

lawfareblog.com

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-27 09:49 PM | Reply

Paying for OPPO research is legal no matter who the source is. Accepting OPPO research from the Russians in exchange for favors without declaring it, is illegal.

#31 | Posted by bored at 2017-10-28 12:04 AM | Reply

I think Steele made the whole thing up for the money he was offered.

#24 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

IIRC aspects of the dossier were picked up independently by multiple foreign intelligence services in Europe. No?

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-28 03:05 AM | Reply

Did any of that happen? I haven't seen anything to substantiate that. If you have something, please share it. I am serious.

#27 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Do you not see Trump's ------- bouncing off your forehead repeatedly?

Or do you not believe the Trump campaign attempted to obtain Hillary emails via a proxy?

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-28 03:07 AM | Reply

Sanctions are justified for Russian intervention in the US 2016 election. That should be followed with a commitment by the USA to stop interfering in the elections in other countries including Russia.

I have long thought Flynn and Manafort are in legal trouble for acting as foreign agents without registering as such and lining their pockets in the process. Page's actions smack of treason.

Hillary won the popular vote, which does not count. But, voting machine vendors are driving the process of voting technology in the United States. Most are hackable and ALL consider their software "proprietary", which makes the integrity of the count impossible to verify. On top of this, Republicans depend on and use many voter suppression techniques which target low income neighborhoods. These are the most pressing problems with free and fair elections in the USA.

This link begins with the caveat "partially" corroborated. The weakest link is Russia as the prime mover of internet propaganda when Brad Parscale clearly filled that role and ran rings around the Hillary team, which quit polling during the last two weeks of the election, so confident of victory.

The meeting between Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner and Russian operatives occurred in June 2016 and emails show that it had been arranged in order to share Russian intelligence with the campaign. Trump publicly begged Putin to hack Hillary.

These are established facts, best of the whole article. So what was the dirt used against Hillary during the campaign? 1:Benghazi, 2:use of personal server to conduct official business which was ultimately hacked,3: Hillary's relationship with Wall Street in general and Goldman-Sachs in particular clearly puts her in bed with the 1%.

Does anyone think seriously Republicans needed Russia to play these stories relentlessly?

No one has ever provided proof Russia was the source of the Wikileaks publications. Wikileaks categorically denies it. The Hillary server hacker is a jailed Romanian. Server historical evidence suggests DNC files were lifted on a memory stick, but is inconclusive, given the state of CIA and NSA hacking technology.

#34 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-28 09:03 AM | Reply

Sanctions are justified for Russian intervention in the US 2016 election. That should be followed with a commitment by the USA to stop interfering in the elections in other countries including Russia.

I agree 100%

But the Cult Followers will never acknowledge it.

Or they'll claim apples-oranges.

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-28 11:34 AM | Reply

First, get your facts straight. First it was reportedly paid for by a donor with ties to Jeb Bush during the GOP primary.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma

Are you sure ton or are you full of **

www.nytimes.com

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-29 12:50 PM | Reply

No matter how many times a moron like you types otherwise, the Republicans still bought it first. Why do you hate the United States, sniper?

#19 | Posted by IndianaJones

BS!!!!!

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-29 12:51 PM | Reply

"Roger Stone is saying today that it was Marco Rubio"

Looks like Stone is right:

www.drudge.com

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Did you actually read your link? I think not.

#38 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-29 12:53 PM | Reply

"That should be followed with a commitment by the USA to stop interfering in the elections in other countries including Russia."

Yeah, our interference resulted in Putin winning. As if they actually have real elections. You post is more idiotic than usual.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 01:02 PM | Reply

"Hillary's relationship with Wall Street in general and Goldman-Sachs in particular clearly puts her in bed with the 1%."

Guilt by association. Garbage.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 01:03 PM | Reply

The dossier basically proves that Trump is owned by the Russians, all the details and such can be argued ad nauseum by those who pretend arguments will change the basic truth. That is who we have as President, a sold out POS. Thanks Trumpeters and thanks Kris Kobach.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 01:09 PM | Reply

"Hillary's relationship with Wall Street in general and Goldman-Sachs in particular clearly puts her in bed with the 1%."

Guilt by association. Garbage.

Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 01:03 PM | Reply

Factually accurate and not garbage.

#42 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-29 01:29 PM | Reply

Hillary' relationship with the causes of women, children, and minorities for several decades clearly puts her in their corner... much moreso than than hysterical rwing memes repeated by supposed lefties.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-29 01:47 PM | Reply

Are you sure ton or are you full of **

Reprint the entire string you slimy POS!

First it was reportedly paid for by a donor with ties to Jeb Bush during the GOP primary. Roger Stone is saying today that it was Marco Rubio, but no one denies who the first party to contract with Fusion GPS on Trump oppo research was a Republican-connected entity.

Yeah, MFer, I'm sure! Go FY!

#44 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-29 01:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hillary's relationship with Wall Street in general and Goldman-Sachs in particular clearly puts her in bed with the 1%.
#34 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

It does, but that means the real threat is still the 1%, not HRC.

#45 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-29 01:48 PM | Reply

"Hillary's relationship with Wall Street in general and Goldman-Sachs in particular clearly puts her in bed with the 1%."

Money = free speech puts the entire political apparatus in bed with the 1%.
Not really a thing Hillary did.
It's a thing the Founders did.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-29 01:57 PM | Reply

For all of you trying to pretend that this was all just a big nothing burger the fact remains that criminal charges have now been filed. And more are on the way. There is evidence of criminal wrong-doing by the Trump campaign. Stop spinning and, yes, obfuscating. It looks bad for the Trump campaign team. At this point denials and statements to the contrary are just FoxNewsesque counter-fire.

#47 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-29 02:00 PM | Reply

#25 Gal, the allegations Steele made are enormous, and he won't name his sources (he took the fifth in front of Congress). I seriously doubt all of it.

Link? I didn't know Steele had testified before Congress. Which committee(s)?

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 02:49 PM | Reply

HeliumRat: When did Steele ever go before Congress? You made that up. That is a big lie given the context of the conversation. Really undermines any serious attempting at a discussion with you.

#49 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-29 02:55 PM | Reply

IIRC aspects of the dossier were picked up independently by multiple foreign intelligence services in Europe. No?

Yes.

Did you actually read your link? I think not.

It is my understanding Fusion GPS was first hired by WFB, whose billionaire owner was a big Rubio donor.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 02:57 PM | Reply

The weakest link is Russia as the prime mover of internet propaganda when Brad Parscale clearly filled that role and ran rings around the Hillary team, which quit polling during the last two weeks of the election, so confident of victory.

You are leaving out the role of Cambridge Analytic, who Bannon, Flynn and Kellyanne Conway all worked for, and which is owned by Robert Mercer.

#51 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 03:04 PM | Reply

Danni,

Your love of the Ukranian language, family and friends? is distorting reality. The US under Bill Clinton sent a team of campaign managers, Madison avenue types at a cost of over $250,000 to make sure the very unpopular Boris Yeltsin was re-elected. Yeltsin was fed a bunch of bunk by the Larry Summers team, which created the Russian Oligarchy and collapsed the Russian economy. Later, Yeltsin was so ashamed of his own performance that he apologized to the Russian nation, resigned and appointed Putin to the Presidency.

Time Magazine bragged about our interference with a front page cover of Yeltsin.

content.time.com

That said it is perfectly natural for every nation bordering Russia to be paranoid of another invasion and Russians in those border regions to prefer their native tongue and economic connections.

#52 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-29 03:08 PM | Reply

International polls all correctly identify the USA as the greatest threat to world peace. Yet, it remains a favorite country to immigrate to.

nypost.com

www.huffingtonpost.com

#53 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-29 03:14 PM | Reply

"Yeltsin was fed a bunch of bunk by the Larry Summers team, which created the Russian Oligarchy and collapsed the Russian economy."

THat is a joke, right? What economy? Russia was bankrupt. Clinton spent $250,000? Hilarious. Powerful people in the former USSR took what they wanted, ever heard of Russian real estate? America ain't perfect but we aren't responsible for the corruption that is Russia today, we do have oligarchs who want to do the same things here though.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-29 03:14 PM | Reply

#51 Cambridge Analytic = Cambridge Analytica

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 03:16 PM | Reply

IIRC aspects of the dossier were picked up independently by multiple foreign intelligence services in Europe. No?

British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

Exclusive: GCHQ is said to have alerted US agencies after becoming aware of contacts in 2015

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious "interactions" between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.
Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump's inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the "Five Eyes" spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

www.theguardian.com

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 04:12 PM | Reply

"Over the next six months, until summer 2016,"

And what happened in the summer of 2016? Comey and the FBI opened up their own investigation.

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 04:14 PM | Reply

Gal posted the link to this story above, and it should have gotten its own thread and comments because so many of Trump's bashers ignore that the US Intelligence coordinated assessment DID NOT USE THE DOSSIER AT ALL TO ARRIVE AT ITS CONCLUSION regarding Russian interference!

Much has been made this week of reports that the Clinton campaign paid for the so-called "dossier" about Trump that was compiled by a former British intelligence agent. One important point is sometimes lost in the discussion. The dossier itself played absolutely no role in the coordinated intelligence assessment that Russia interfered in our election. That assessment, which was released in unclassified form in January but which contained much more detail in the classified version that has been briefed to Congress, was based entirely on other sources and analysis.

It's true that then President-elect Trump was briefed on the allegations in the dossier. This was not, however, because the Intelligence Community had relied on it in any way, or even made any determination that the information it contained was reliable and accurate. Rather, after considerable thought and discussion, DNI Clapper and the heads of the FBI, CIA and NSA decided that because the dossier was circulating among Members of Congress and the media, it was important to warn the President-elect of its existence. Imagine his anger – which would have been fully justified – if the document had leaked and he learned that U.S. government agencies knew of it and did NOT warn him.

Of course, the FBI is investigating some, if not all of the specific allegations contained in the dossier for obvious reasons having nothing to do with politics. But Trump's insistence that any investigation into charges and allegations contained in the dossier are all political is just plain stupid considering the dossier is nothing but a compilation put together through research, investigation and documentation. The only scandal is why the information exists in the first place and that can only be answered by those implicated for their own actions, not by those who paid for its compilation by veterans in the unique field of intelligence/counterintelligence gathering.

#58 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-29 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

New article on the dossier by Michael Weiss confirms something I thought I remembered, i.e., that the version of the dossier McCain gave to the FBI may not be the same version Buzzfeed published:

Some Republicans are particularly fond of the Cambridge-educated ex-spy, including those who were instrumental in lobbying for the Magnitsky Act. This includes David Kramer, a former State Department official in the George W. Bush administration and the former president of human rights monitor Freedom House. Kramer was named in documents filed in a British court as Sen. John McCain's courier for a copy of the dossier -- or some variation of it -- obtained in London from Steele himself.

www.cnn.com

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 06:44 PM | Reply

It's a long article, so for folks who don't want to wade through it all, here's the conclusion:

Truth and lies?

The savviest influence operations are the ones that sprinkle bits of truth in with the lies in order to heighten the plausibility of what's being sold but also, in the case of blackmail or kompromat, to put a target on notice that his secrets are known. If we're to assume that the Russian government was aware of Steele's investigation because of its friendly point people at Fusion GPS, might it have helped furnish material for the dossier in its own self-serving way? Just enough true revelations to rattle the Trumpkins, but plenty of disinformation to keep American journalists, ------ and law enforcement agents chasing after ghosts?

The British historian Ben Macintyre has still given the best critical appraisal of the dossier, in an offhand comment to the New York Times, based on what he says were his conversations with other graying manes from Her Majesty's Secret Service. "They set up an ex-MI6 guy, Chris Steele, who is a patsy, effectively, and they feed him some stuff that's true, and some stuff that isn't true, and some stuff that is demonstrably wrong. Which means that Trump can then stand up and deny it, while knowing that the essence of it is true. And then he has a stone in his shoe for the rest of his administration."

By these lights, the Clinton campaign's funding of the dossier matters not nearly as much as finding out what in it is true and possibly causing the President to tread so carefully when it comes to Putin.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 06:54 PM | Reply

danni,

Such tight thinking. You should read more. Become familiar with actual facts.

www.thenation.com

fair.org

#61 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-29 07:16 PM | Reply

gal,

There are many words from the dishonest intelligence services.

"They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion... to the use of hacked material."

We do know that there were meetings between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives. We also know how the Trump campaign smeared Hillary. Recently we learn that Brad Parscale, on Trump's payroll in the USA, operated Trump's internet smear campaign.

What exactly was Russia able to provide Trump that the Republican Party didn't already know?

#62 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-29 08:24 PM | Reply

What exactly was Russia able to provide Trump that the Republican Party didn't already know?

Specific voter registration information from the Russian-hacked DNC voter database that was shared with Cambridge Analytica and supported the micro-targeting of susceptible voters in the key swing states where Trump won his Electoral College victory.

And Trump weaponized nominally benign information by falsely exaggerating its importance and meaning everytime Wikileaks divulged something new from the stolen information.

#63 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-29 08:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thank you Tony,

The story that never dies finally makes sense.

On the second paragraph, what can you say about people that take Trump seriously?

#64 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-29 09:11 PM | Reply

Cambridge Analytica takes credit for helping Trump win:

CA executed a highly targeted, data driven, innovative, and financially transparent effort that ultimately led to a significant influence on the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. The success of the campaign garnered recognition from many national news outlets and received several awards, including taking gold in the Advertising Research Foundation's 2017 David Ogilvy Awards in the "Big Data" category.

The results of this campaign are staggering, with CA reaching 50 million Facebook users, creating 1.5 million impressions on Twitter, 3.3 million on Snapchat, accruing over 28 million views on their digital videos and millions more on ads expertly placed on the televisions of undecided voters across the country.

ca-political.com

Team Trump may now say CA didn't contribute much, but you need to take that as being in the same context as them down playing Manafort and Page's role in the campaign. They'll probably down play Flynn's role too if he gets indicted.

Specific voter registration information from the Russian-hacked DNC voter database that was shared with Cambridge Analytica and supported the micro-targeting of susceptible voters in the key swing states where Trump won his Electoral College victory.

Russian-hacked DNC voter database as well as Russian-hacked state voter rolls.

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russian-hacked DNC voter database as well as Russian-hacked state voter rolls.

Yes! I'd forgotten about that.

#66 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-29 09:24 PM | Reply

Lastly, is Brad Parscale working at Cambridge Analytica or were these independent operations?

#67 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-29 09:26 PM | Reply

They worked together after Trump won the nomination. Parscale worked for Trump since 2011 (building websites and doing digital media for some of his companies):

en.wikipedia.org

The Mercers backed Ted Cruz, and Conway and CA worked for him until he lost the nomination. Eventually the Mercers, Conway, Bannon and CA all worked for/supported Trump.

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-29 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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