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Wednesday, October 25, 2017

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This shift away from a focus on racist police killings may be because recent facts have proven problematic to the old narrative. Consider, for instance, the number of unarmed blacks killed by police has been shrinking. In 2015, The Washington Post compilations indicate that 38 of the 94 unarmed men and women killed by police were African Americans; in 2016, only 17 of the 48 unarmed police killings were African American; and it is likely that in 2017 it will be even fewer. Meanwhile, as Heather MacDonald has documented, violent crime and homicide rates have increased for the second year in a row. In 2016, black homicides increased by nearly 900 to 7,881. If we are worried about protecting black lives -- as we should be -- why not focus on the conditions that have given rise to such violence?

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This is going to cause certain heads on the DR to explode.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:25 AM | Reply

www.huffingtonpost.com

Police Killed At Least 223 Black Americans In The Year After Colin Kaepernick's First Protest

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 11:33 AM | Reply

Police Killed At Least 223 Black Americans In The Year After Colin Kaepernick's First Protest

#2 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Were ALL of those kills unjustified?

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:33 AM | Reply

Were ALL of those kills unjustified?

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:33 AM | R

I doubt it.

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 11:37 AM | Reply

This reminds me of the thread about the black guy with a can of spray paint.

Racism is/was a myth started by that guy and his can of paint.

#5 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-10-25 11:48 AM | Reply

So you're saying there should be increased spending on education and social services? I agree.

#6 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-10-25 02:08 PM | Reply

And shouldn't the number of unarmed civilians of all races killed by police be 0? Outside it's a problem.

#7 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-10-25 02:09 PM | Reply

"So you're saying there should be increased spending on education and social services? I agree."

It's not the amount of dollars. It's the way it's spent. Plus other issues like social promotion (passing students who don't have the grades), one parent households, lack of parental involvement and many other factors.

#8 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-10-25 02:19 PM | Reply

When you shoot a guy in the back an then plant a gun near his body and this is on camera and then you walk.

GMAFB!!

self-serving reminiscent of your race science(sic).

#9 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-10-25 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 | POSTED BY JAMESGELLIOTT

I've never met a businessman who didn't think spending more to have the latest and best facilities or paying more for good talent was a good idea.

#10 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-10-25 03:52 PM | Reply

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uh, it isn't only about killing unarmed african-americans.
it's MUCH deeper than that. get a clue, JJ.

#11 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-10-25 04:18 PM | Reply

In 2015, The Washington Post compilations indicate that 38 of the 94 unarmed men and women killed by police were African Americans; in 2016, only 17 of the 48 unarmed police killings were African American; and it is likely that in 2017 it will be even fewer.

If you think that trends can be determined from a sample set as small as these numbers, you should never speak about data again. It's just not your thing.

How many unarmed innocent black people killed by police a year would be enough to merit your concern, badge bunnies? If it's 5 less this year than last year, does it mean there's no problem?

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-25 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In 2015, The Washington Post compilations indicate that 38 of the 94 unarmed men and women killed by police were African Americans; in 2016, only 17 of the 48 unarmed police killings were African American."

Actually that data supports unarmed blacks are only 35% of deaths, down from 40%.

When it gets to 13% it will support the narrative that policing isn't racist.

Meanwhile, a 2x2 table of those values shows the 5% change in ratio not statistically significant.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 04:44 PM | Reply

This is why Black Lives Matters is full of it. I would support them and even send money if they would address the killings of blacks by other blacks and how it effects police decisions, they are linked. To deny they aren't is to deny human nature face it when a population is committing murder of each other at the rates that they are being committed in the black community you can only come away with one thing. Black men are not only armed but they are willing to shoot. Before you jump all over this it is wrong to think that way but human nature is not always based on morality, self preservation will always trump it. I also see the snitches get stitches attitude among the minority communities which only compounds the problem. This is what I believe can be done they need to reach out to the community and show the harm done, the wasted lives, they need to really drill it home and treat it like a disease that can be cured only if the community takes back its streets and helps put the thugs away face it the trouble makers are such a small part of the community if blacks stood up in mass and said no we will not look the other way no more we will chase you out and get you arrested for the crimes you commit and the lives you take then we may see some progress.

#14 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2017-10-25 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"they need to really drill it home and treat it like a disease"

I agree, but Congress doesn't allow the CDC to treat gun violence as a public safety concern. Because people who put guns up their butts are deathly afraid of government taking their toys away.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 05:20 PM | Reply

I would support them and even send money if they would address the killings of blacks by other blacks ...

Whenever blacks in the U.S. protest anything, whites always come up with rules for how they are doing it wrong. It's the wrong time, the wrong place, the wrong issue, too provocative, etc.

Black athletes can't even protest something silently without it upsetting whites. Whites who spent an entire election saying America is no longer great won't accept a silent protest critical of this country on one issue!

This may come as a shock to you, but blacks have a legitimate self-interest in not being shot by police for unjustifiable reasons. They don't need to protest some other issue instead. Not being shot by police is a valid concern.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-25 06:17 PM | Reply

#15 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-25 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sorry, but that's another misuse of statistics. You are using poor logic to try and claim others' logic is faulty. The FBI statistics show African Americans are more likely to be convicted of violent crimes, just like they are more likely to be convicted of drug offenses. It does not mean they are committing these crimes at a higher rate. They may be, they may not be, but those statistics cannot show that.

I'm too lazy to dig into all the data that is out there, but here's an article that did some of it: politifact. There are plenty of others, including those that were studying the "stop and frisk" policies. I remember one of the more telling statistics was that while African Americans were more likely to be searched, the rate at which something was found was significantly lower than when a white was searched, but I'm unable to find the references in a quick search. It may be in this report prepared in the NYPD "stop and frisk" case.

My point overall is one must be careful when using statistics - especially if the bias would tend to result in a self-reinforcement. If one group is more likely to be arrested, and when arrested convicted, the crime statistics will look like they are committing more crimes proportionally even though it is a result of bias rather than criminality. The FBI crime statistics therefore shouldn't be used to try and show an inherent criminality, as they can only report those who were arrested and convicted, not those who committed a crime and weren't caught or convicted.

#18 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2017-10-25 06:55 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY STATSPLEASE

Are you the same poster that used to argue with Snoofy about quintiles?

Who was that poster?

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 07:01 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY STATSPLEASE

Are you the same poster that used to argue with Snoofy about quintiles?

Who was that poster?

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, that was someone else. I don't remember who that was specifically, but it was on the topic of income inequality, if I remember correctly.

It might have been Moder8, but that's a wild guess. It was definitely someone arguing that household incomes were rising in all quintiles.

Another area where statistics are easy to misuse. In that case, snoofy was talking about individual incomes, and the other poster was talking about household incomes. Not exactly the same measure, and it would take a lot of careful analysis to compare one to the other.

#20 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2017-10-25 08:16 PM | Reply

You guys are thinking of MadBomber and Salamandagator.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-25 08:44 PM | Reply

Salamandagator.

Yeah that guy...hahaha

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 09:22 PM | Reply

#21 I miss Salamandigator. He was the only Pokemon I could never capture. My sources say he's working for the the Russians now, as part of their crack Pokemon Go team. I wonder if Vladimir Putin is personally feeding him....

#23 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-25 09:50 PM | Reply

I would support them and even send money if they would address the killings of blacks by other blacks ...
Whenever blacks in the U.S. protest anything, whites always come up with rules for how they are doing it wrong. It's the wrong time, the wrong place, the wrong issue, too provocative, etc.
Black athletes can't even protest something silently without it upsetting whites. Whites who spent an entire election saying America is no longer great won't accept a silent protest critical of this country on one issue!
This may come as a shock to you, but blacks have a legitimate self-interest in not being shot by police for unjustifiable reasons. They don't need to protest some other issue instead. Not being shot by police is a valid concern.

#17 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2017-10-25 06:17 PM | FLAG:

I did address this and the black on black murders are linked to the cops you can turn a blind eye to it thats your choice but I clearly stated why they are linked :

I would support them and even send money if they would address the killings of blacks by other blacks and how it effects police decisions, they are linked. To deny they aren't is to deny human nature face it when a population is committing murder of each other at the rates that they are being committed in the black community you can only come away with one thing. Black men are not only armed but they are willing to shoot.

#24 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2017-10-26 02:43 PM | Reply

What a privilege, to not have the cops think you're a cop killer because you're not black.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 02:50 PM | Reply

^^^^ WTF does that have to do with a racist police narrative??

#26 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-10-26 02:51 PM | Reply

LOL!!!

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 02:56 PM | Reply

What a privilege, to not have the cops think you're a cop killer because you're not black.

#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-10-26 02:50 PM | FLAG:

why must the left always read only a small part and not the whole statement its lying by omission to get your jaded point across (calling me a racist) please read a little further next time :

Before you jump all over this it is wrong to think that way but human nature is not always based on morality

#28 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2017-10-26 03:29 PM | Reply

"they need to really drill it home and treat it like a disease"
I agree, but Congress doesn't allow the CDC to treat gun violence as a public safety concern.

Because it's not the gun doing the crime, Snoofy.

It's the PERSON man! Deal with THAT and you end crime amongst blacks...

#29 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-26 03:41 PM | Reply

"It's the PERSON man!" - #29 | Posted by pfc. boaz at 2017-10-26 03:41 PM

The PERSON with a gun.

Remove the gun from the equation and the results change.

#30 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-26 03:47 PM | Reply

oops. #26 was meant for #24

#31 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-10-26 04:47 PM | Reply

"to get your jaded point across (calling me a racist)"

Dude.
I'm not calling you a racist.
I'm not even talking about you, I'm talking about pigs.
I'm saying if pigs see blacks and think "pig killer" then it's a privilege to not be black and not be seen as a threat by the pigs.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 04:53 PM | Reply

It's the PERSON man! Deal with THAT and you end crime amongst blacks...

So you're saying a black with a gun is no greater threat than a black without a gun.

I doubt it's blacks without guns going around shooting other blacks. Just my gut feeling...

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 04:56 PM | Reply

#32 | Posted by snoofy

"it's a privilege to not be black and not be seen as a threat by the pigs."

Jesus. How many times have I spelled out on this web site what cops have done to me? Blacks men may be arrested (or shot) by police at 2.5 times the rate as whites, but blacks are ten times as likely to commit violent crimes. 57% of murders, and 69% of property crimes committed in America are committed by blacks. That's 13% of the population. If you're a cop, you have to go where the crime is.

And did you know that black cops are three times as likely to shoot a black man as a white cop?

So spare me your SJW BS. This is reality.

#34 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-26 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

one parent households, lack of parental involvement and many other factors.
#8 | POSTED BY JAMESGELLIOTT

Institutional discrimination, especially as it relates to the drug war, can have that effect.

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-26 05:14 PM | Reply

"How many times have I spelled out on this web site what cops have done to me?"

That's beside the point.

"Blacks men may be arrested (or shot) by police at 2.5 times the rate as whites, but blacks are ten times as likely to commit violent crimes. 57% of murders, and 69% of property crimes committed in America are committed by blacks. That's 13% of the population. If you're a cop, you have to go where the crime is."

Now you're making my point for me.

It's a privilege to not have cops coming into your neighborhoods looking for crime.

There was nothing stopping them from instituting Stop And Frisk on Wall Street. But they don't do it. That's a privilege.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 05:21 PM | Reply

"This is reality."

White privilege is reality too.

You just painted a very nice picture explaining why it's right for cops to think blacks are more dangerous than whites. Why it's right for police to be prejudiced.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 05:24 PM | Reply

There was nothing stopping them from instituting Stop And Frisk on Wall Street. But they don't do it. That's a privilege.

No, it's a reality that no one is doing the crimes on Wall Street.

Why you cant get it in your head that police are where crimes are likely is weird to me. If crimes stop being in black neighborhoods, there would be reduced police presence.

#38 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-27 07:39 AM | Reply

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