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Wednesday, October 25, 2017

During the presidential campaign, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) said in 2015 that he would run as a Democrat in all future elections. He told a reporter he isn't going to keep that promise when he seeks Senate re-election in 2018. "I am an independent and I have always run in Vermont as an independent, while I caucus with the Democrats in the United States Senate. That's what I've been doing for a long time and that's what I'll continue to do," Sanders told a Fox News reporter Sunday during a trip to New Hampshire.

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From a 2015 interview:

"In future elections, potential future elections, will you also run as a Democrat?" the reporter asked Sanders as he campaigned in New Hampshire.

"Yes," Sanders replied.

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After the DNC screwed him over why would anyone expect him to trust the Democratic Party again? He's proven that in Vermont he doesn't need the Democratic Party.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-25 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

He could do it for the citizens. Do it for the voters.

Who in the DNC are you talking about? The players who were involved in '16 seem to have left and they have a strong contingent of Bernie supporters.

It's his supporters that he's screwing here.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-25 09:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Also screwed are people looking for Progressives to unite. This guy is a leader and he is in a strong position to lead the progressive movement going forward. He made a promise and people followed him.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-25 09:53 AM | Reply

I have a strong feeling that the "progressives" are going to be kicked out of the Democrat party. They are losing too many elections because of them.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-25 10:37 AM | Reply

"It's his supporters that he's screwing here."

How is he screwing his supporters? Progressives need to unite, that's fine but they don't necessarily need to be Democrats to do that and I say that as a Democrat. He promised to run for President as a Democrat, he did that, he then supported the Democratic nominee the best he could. He doesn't owe anyone anything at this point.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-25 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have a strong feeling that the "progressives" are going to be kicked out of the Democrat party. They are losing too many elections because of them."

No, they are losing because they aren't running as real progressives. Americans favor progressive views on most things, many Democrats are too beholding to corporate dollars to come out in full support of real progressive values. Single Payer insurance. Higher taxes on the rich. VAT. Climate Change. One man, one vote. Corporations aren't people. Money is not free speech. Voter suppression is unconstitutional. Most Americans believe in all those things, Democrats have not fought hard enough on any of them, especially voters' rights which is key to all the others.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-25 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I have a strong feeling that the "progressives" are going to be kicked out of the Democrat party. They are losing too many elections because of them.

Posted by boaz at 2017-10-25 10:37 AM | Reply

You show your ignorance daily around here Boaz. The Democrats are losing because they moved RIGHT instead of LEFT. They forgot their liberal principles and that's why they are losing their collective asses and all of their fixtures too.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"How is he screwing his supporters? Progressives need to unite, that's fine but they don't necessarily need to be Democrats to do that "

Fair enough. How do you see things going forward?

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-25 10:44 AM | Reply

"They forgot their liberal principles"

Forgot them where? When was America great? Clinton? Obama?

Where is the past you speak of?

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-25 10:46 AM | Reply

Americans favor progressive views on most things

The Democrats are losing because they moved RIGHT instead of LEFT.

What liberal fantasy land are you people living in? How either of you believe the above makes me concerned about your mental sanity.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-25 10:50 AM | Reply

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What liberal fantasy land are you people living in? How either of you believe the above makes me concerned about your mental sanity.

Posted by boaz at 2017-10-25 10:50 AM | Reply

I am quite mentally stable thank you very much.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 10:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"When was America great?"

That's what lots of us were asking when Trump came out with "MAGA." I think we're still waiting for it to be great for all people.

"How do you see things going forward?"

Truthfully, not well.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-25 10:58 AM | Reply

"What liberal fantasy land are you people living in?"

Knowing your POV, I doubt you have any conception of what motivates a progressive voter, a Democratic voter, or even a moderate voter. You live in right wing wacko land and think you are going to expain to us what motivates us to vote. Hilarious!

#13 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-25 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#7 Laura, compare the politics of JFK or LBJ to that of Barack Obama and then make the case that Democrats have moved to the right.

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 11:15 AM | Reply

#7 Laura, compare the politics of JFK or LBJ to that of Barack Obama and then make the case that Democrats have moved to the right.

Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 11:15 AM | Reply

ObamaCare , more imperialistic wars IE Libya. More invasion of our privacy

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obamacare is a move to the right?

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:30 AM | Reply

Obamacare is a move to the right?

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:30 AM | Reply

Yep considering it's a wholly Republican construct.

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 11:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#15 ObamaCare was a move to the left. But I'll give you partial credit for invasion of privacy. Let's do a introspective look at JFK and then you compare that to today's mainstream Democratic politician (i.e. Nancy Pelosi):

JFK liked:
lower taxes
strong military
military intervention (Vietnam, Cuba)
pro-life
capitalism (staunch anti-communist)
small government

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 11:35 AM | Reply

ObamaCare is right winged not left. Do try and be intellectually honest Mustazg. I know it's hard for you but do try.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 11:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#19 I am. If Republicans shifted left and proposed universal health care, it was their shift left. It doesn't mean Democrats shift right to meet them halfway. It was a leftward shift for them as well.

#20 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 12:10 PM | Reply

#19 I am. If Republicans shifted left and proposed universal health care, it was their shift left. It doesn't mean Democrats shift right to meet them halfway. It was a leftward shift for them as well.

Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 12:10 PM | Reply

ObamaCare isn't universal health care coverage.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 I was using that as an example. Democrats and Republicans are not so far apart on every issue that a shift by one is always a shift to a middle ground between them. I could have used universal basic income as a similar example.

#22 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 12:18 PM | Reply

Obamacare is a move to the right?
Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:30 AM | Reply
Yep considering it's a wholly Republican construct.

#17 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

ACA is to the left of the system it replaced.

Throw in Dodd-Frank and Stimulus.

Then there were all of Obama's executive actions: DACA and DAPA. The Clean Power Plan. Etc.

Obama's 8-years were WAY to the left of Clinton's.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 12:26 PM | Reply

- Obama's 8-years were WAY to the left of Clinton's.

And Hillary's would have been left of Obama's. It's called progressive policy for a reason.

www.vox.com

Bernie himself said that the Dem primary was not rigged against him. And he had a definite advantage in undemocratic caucuses.

Like many a politician, he claimed to be something, a Dem in this case, and that he would always be a Dem, when it was convenient. Now it's not.

He was saying what he thought people wanted to hear, which many of them did want to hear.... we pretty much get what we ask for when we are threatening not to participate if we don't get what we want.

Then we complain about how a pol flip-flopped.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-25 12:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

After the DNC screwed him over why would anyone expect him to trust the Democratic Party again?

First, the DNC didn't screw him over. He had a fair shot at the nomination, despite never being a registered Democrat before he ran for president.

Second, the DNC today is full of Bernie supporters. The chair works with him often and the vice chair Keith Ellison was a big Bernie campaign official. Bernie being against the DNC now would be shooting himself in the foot.

Third, if you tell Democrats you're going to always run as a Democrat in the future you should keep your word. I like Bernie but he's being two-faced. This was one reason he was a hard sell among some Democrats he needed to win the primary. A lot of us are lifelong Democrats who like voting for real Democrats better than temporary ones.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-25 12:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

ACA is to the left of the system it replaced.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 12:26 PM | Reply

Keep lying Jeff. Danforth and I have shown you countless times that ACA was right winged construct from Nixon til today. Why do you continually do this Jeff?????

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 12:38 PM | Reply

"Run, Bernie, Run! Run, Bernie, Run!"

- cheering heard behind closed doors at the Republican National Committee luncheon

#27 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 12:38 PM | Reply

ACA is to the left of the system it replaced.

What system is that, exactly? The increasingly broken private insurance system wasn't a political idea of the right or left. It was a market.

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-25 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Keep lying Jeff. Danforth and I have shown you countless times that ACA was right winged construct from Nixon til today. Why do you continually do this Jeff?????

#26 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Regardless of your narrative, ACA is to the left of the system it replaced. It was a move to the left.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 12:51 PM | Reply

Regardless of your narrative, ACA is to the left of the system it replaced. It was a move to the left.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 12:51 PM | Reply

No actually it wasn't.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-25 12:52 PM | Reply

#28 You're trying to invalidate the point with an irrelevant statement but... yes. Minimally regulated free market capitalism would be considered "to the right" as opposed to more heavily controlled market capitalism. More government control of the market is a slide to the left. That's pretty much "Political Spectrum 101"

#31 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No actually it wasn't.

#30 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

See #31

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 12:54 PM | Reply

After the way the DNC treated him in 2016 I feel Sanders has no obligation whatsoever to run as a Democrat. His displeasure with the DNC is righteous, regardless of how influential he may now currently be.

#33 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-25 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Rcade- why do you prefer "real Democrats"? What is the value there?

#34 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-25 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 your view is too binary and is outdated.

Both sides have use for government to regulate things, the right just tends to use it for faux religious or otherwise selfish purposes.

"Free market" as a political idea has long been a joke.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-25 01:19 PM | Reply

Both sides have use for government to regulate things, the right just tends to use it for faux religious or otherwise selfish purposes....

#36 | POSTED BY JPW

Ah! The good old we=good/they=bad argument.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 01:25 PM | Reply

#37 Is that the same as Real Democrats/Not Real Democrats?

#38 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 01:38 PM | Reply

All future presidential elections was implied.

#39 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-25 01:42 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Morality isn't subjective, sorry to break it to you.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-25 01:43 PM | Reply

Bernie himself said that the Dem primary was not rigged against him.
#24 | POSTED BY CORKY

And he was wrong. So wrong in fact that the DNC has admitted it in court and lost two chairpersons as a result. Bernie isn't a stubborn fool like some here on the DR however so he is adapting and moving on without the DNC.

Boaz, get out of here. These left threads are no place for someone with your intellectual disabilities.

#41 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-25 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Morality isn't subjective, sorry to break it to you.

#40 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Tribalism is not morality.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 01:48 PM | Reply

Bernie is a smart man.

#43 | Posted by qcp at 2017-10-25 01:48 PM | Reply

- DNC has admitted it in court

Never happened... and the case was thrown out of court.

Bernie was right.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-25 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#44 | POSTED BY CORKY

You don't get it, do you? The case was only thrown out because the DNC did nothing illegal. But the are the democratic party failing to live up to that name. That's the whole point.

#45 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-25 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"ObamaCare , more imperialistic wars IE Libya. More invasion of our privacy"

1. obamacare - agree its a move to the right, but with the understanding that its worth compromising to the right to help more people get insurance.
2. impoerialistic wars IE Libya. - technically Obama took a war (war on terror which has been slowly growing into a full fledged islamist movement) where a million people died in 8 years to something where only 15,000 died. And though we want no killing, especially civilians, the numbers for a war that was impossible to pull out of much much better than the right wing war hawks.
3. More invasion of our privacy. - This is just naive, the authorities have been invading privacy in every way whatever technology of the day allowed.

#46 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-25 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

More so than any other event in the past few decades, the 2016 Democratic fight for the presidential nomination demonstrated that there is a real difference between being a Democrat and being a liberal. And this is true no matter where you stand on the individuals involved. I acknowledge that a person can be both, but such people are the exception, not the rule.

#47 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-25 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Corporate dems hate bernie because he exposes what they are. He demonstrates the difference between saying you're liberal, and actually being liberal. You can not be liberal while taking bribe money from corporate plutocrats.

If the DNC would like to join him in liberalism, I'm sure he'd join the party. As long as they're busy sucking up to wall street, why should he sully his name by joining them?

So far, the DNC has shown they learned nothing from 2016. They need to be punished until they change their behavior.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-25 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Bernie running as an index for congress in Vermont shouldn't change a thing. Considering he's been doing so for years.

Bernie running for POTUS as an independent will splinter the Democratic vote handing the win to the republicans.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-25 02:23 PM | Reply

"... as an independent for congress..."*

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-25 02:24 PM | Reply

Morality isn't subjective, sorry to break it to you.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones

Morality is ABSOLUTELY subjective. There may be nothing MORE subjective than morality. At any given moment in time, what you view as moral is vastly different than what a member of the Taliban views as moral or what a Japanese businessman views as moral. Over a period of time, any one of those 3 people can change their view of what is or is not moral based on the circumstance of the moment. Sorry to break it to you.

#51 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 02:28 PM | Reply

"So far, the DNC has shown they learned nothing from 2016. They need to be punished until they change their behavior." - #48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-25 02:18 PM

To ensure that the GOP continues to hold all the reigns of power until this "lesson" is learned?

Meanwhile, placing more 40-something-year-old Gorsucks on the SCOTUS?

And eliminating more rules that protect consumers?

And continuing to give standing ovations to Trump, House of Harkonnen?

Does the expression "cut off your nose to spite your face" ring a bell?

Any bell?

#52 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 02:32 PM | Reply

Ah! The good old we=good/they=bad argument.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ

Not at all, just a decent summation of reality.

Of course exceptions can be listed, but it's in the ball park.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-25 02:34 PM | Reply

To ensure that the GOP continues to hold all the reigns of power until this "lesson" is learned?

#52 | Posted by Hans

The GOP is in power BECAUSE the DNC hasn't learned.

If they hadn't run a corporate puppet in 2016, there'd be a dem in the white house today.

You can't beat republicans by being republican-lite.

You beat them by being the party of the people, and let the GOP be the party of corporations and billionaires.

The DNC loses because it CLAIMS to the party of the people, while taking bribes from corporations and billionaires. Everyone knows its a sham.

The DNC's corporate loyalty allowed trump to swoop in and claim the populist mantle.

They'll keep losing as long as they keep making the same mistakes.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-25 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The DNC's corporate loyalty allowed trump to swoop in and claim the populist mantle.

That's only half the story, IMO.

The version of "party of the people" they play now is identity politic, victimhood type stuff aimed at small minorities.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-25 02:44 PM | Reply

- the DNC did nothing illegal. But the are the democratic party failing to live up to that name.

Using undemocratic caucuses is what failed to live up to that name.

- there'd be a dem in the white house today.

So, you think Trump would be a Dem? Or that Bernie would have stayed a Dem, lmao.

- the populist mantle.

The rwing populist mantle, which he already had.

You still seem to confuse rwing populists with left wing populists, and those are two very different sets of people and policies.

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-25 02:46 PM | Reply

"If they hadn't run a corporate puppet in 2016..." - #54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-25 02:38 PM

The DNC didn't run anyone.

More than 30,000,000 Americans voted in Democratic primaries and caucuses in 2016, and Hillary Clinton received 55.2% of the vote. At the time of the national convention she had the requisite number of delegates (pledged and the so-called "super") to win the nomination.

"The DNC's corporate loyalty allowed trump to swoop in and claim the populist mantle."

And yet, Hillary Clinton still received 3,000,000 more popular votes than Trump ("populist mantle").

And Democratic candidates for the Senate overall won 53.8% of the popular vote nationwide in 2016 ("populist mantle").

And while the GOP won more popular votes for the US House in 2016 (by 1.1%), they won or retained 51.2% of the seats to the Democrat's 45.5% ("populist mantle").

And in spite of all that, you've missed the real issues with the electoral system in America and, instead, chase a boogeyman.

While never once addressing the "cut off your nose to spite your face" expression.

#57 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 02:55 PM | Reply

You still seem to confuse rwing populists with left wing populists, and those are two very different sets of people and policies.

#56 | Posted by Corky

Some are very different. And some are willing to vote for who ever rejects corporate plutocrat control. In a close election, they would have made all the difference. We'd have president Warren or Sanders if either of them had been the nominee.

We've done this a dozen times corky. But we can do it again if you like. Not all of trump's supporters are racist. Many were just willing to overlook his racism in order to elect a populist. If you continue to ignore that reality, you will continue to lose.

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-25 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- some are willing to vote for who ever rejects corporate plutocrat control

You mean like Trump? No one else on the planet buh-lieves that Trump won because of disgruntled Bernie voters.

He won the EC because of less than 80k votes across 3 Rust Belt states; not Bernie voters, but voters who afterwards said that they voted for Trump because they were, "oppressed", which caused their "cultural anxiety". You tell me if that isn't a racist sentiment.

And no, we aren't going to do this again. Your absolute declarations that Bernie definitely would have beaten Trump are not worth taking seriously. No one knows that, not even you and your, "I'll take my vote and throw it away!" ego.

Or did you vote for Trump? Now I wonder.

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-25 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He won the EC because of less than 80k votes across 3 Rust Belt states; not Bernie voters, but voters who afterwards said that they voted for Trump because they were, "oppressed", which caused their "cultural anxiety". You tell me if that isn't a racist sentiment.

#59 | Posted by Corky

Again, you keep your blinders on and focus SOLELY on the racist trump supporters. It makes you look like you CHOOSE ignorance.

Your argument that bernie wouldn't fare better is based on the fallacy that NO voters were simply anti establishment yet non-racist.

Keep it up though. Guess you like losing.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-25 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

= based on the fallacy that NO voters were simply anti establishment yet non-racist.

Based on the fact that those less than 80k Rust Belt voters were not Bernie voters.... we know this because they told us after why they voted for Trump.

Which is what I said, not the Strawman you erected.

Which is pretty, "ignorant".

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-25 03:40 PM | Reply

Bernie knows a ship full of rats when he see one.

#61, for instance.

#62 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 03:42 PM | Reply

- It makes you look like you CHOOSE ignorance.

He's PAID to ACT ignorant.

Big difference.

#63 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 03:43 PM | Reply

Ronald Reagan:

-Gave Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants
-Negotiated with Terrorists (Traded Arms for Hostages with Iran)
-Raised Taxes on a Large Scale Four Times (After Initially Lowering Them)
-Negotiated with the "Evil Empire" without Pre-conditions
-Made a Decision to "Cut and Run" From Lebanon After Our Troops Were Attacked

Barack Obama:

-Escalated the Afghanistan War (Added 30,000 More Troops)
-Has Ordered Drone Strikes (Assassinations) on US Citizens Outside the Country
-Gave Drug Companies Near Monopoly Power by Barring Imports, Extending Patents and Not Allowing the Government to Negotiate Better Prices
-Funneled Billions into the Biggest Banks in the Country After They Crashed the Economy
-Stacked Deficit Commission with Fiscal Conservatives
-Lowered Taxes Significantly (Stimulus Bill)
-Ordered Increased Offshore Drilling Before BP Spill

Obama was to the right of Reagan

#64 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-25 04:58 PM | Reply

A lot of us are lifelong Democrats who like voting for real Democrats better than temporary ones.

POSTED BY RCADE AT 2017-10-25 12:38 PM | REPLY

Ok. Moment of truth. I'm a life long Democrat. Twenty nine years next month. Bernie Sanders wasn't treated fairly by the superdelegates and I don't blame him for parting. As far as Hillary goes, she sealed her fate. Trying to blame her loss on gossip perpetuated by the likes of Fox News is lame. The Democratic Party was fractured and a large part of it was due to the wars, dishonesty, the Clinton Foundation reclusiveness, smashing phones, and the collusion against Sanders..

I supported Obama solely on ending the wars, in a white, middle class neighborhood in South Louisiana, WITH SIGNS IN MY YARD. Not only did the wars not end, We killed Gadaffi, invaded Syria and now have to deak with NOKA.

Screw this. I'm out. Maybe we can regroup and find common ground in '20.

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-10-25 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Had Bernie been nominated, he would have been correctly smeared as a communist sympathizer and out of touch with the economic realities of, um, reality.

He would have lost, and made voters question the judgement and sanity of the Democrat Party. In much the same way that voters now ask the same questions of the republican party...including republican elected officials.

It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

#66 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-25 07:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Had Bernie been nominated, he would have been correctly smeared as a communist sympathizer and out of touch with the economic realities of, um, reality.

#66 | Posted by madbomber

A "communist sympathizer?" The cold war ended 20 years ago, McCarthy.

What are the economic realities of reality? The ones where we keep cutting taxes for the rich because they keep telling us someday it'll help everyone else, despite 30 years of evidence to the contrary?

The ones where the US can't manage as efficient of a health care system as every other first world nation because we're just so exceptional?

Maybe the ones where our students graduate into a lifetime of debt?

Are those the economic "realities" you feel inspired to protect?

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-25 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Second, the DNC today is full of Bernie supporters. The chair works with him often and the vice chair Keith Ellison was a big Bernie campaign official. Bernie being against the DNC now would be shooting himself in the foot.
#25 | Posted by rcade at 20

Except for the fact Keith Ellison kicked off all Bernie supporters from the rules committee just recently

#68 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-10-25 08:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I mean the DNC not Keith Ellison

#69 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-10-25 08:51 PM | Reply

D.N.C. Chair Purges Dissenters in Surprise Shake-Up
Sanders loyalists and Ellison supporters were among the officials ousted amid an ongoing intra-party feud.

In a move that exacerbated the vast intra-party rift exposed during last year's presidential primary between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez has stripped a number of longtime party officials of their "at-large" delegate status or leadership positions, while appointing a slate of 75 new members that include Clinton campaign veterans, lobbyists, and neophytes.

Perez revealed his picks this week, ahead of the D.N.C.'s first meeting since he was elected chairman. Upon perusing it, progressive party members were incensed to find that he had demoted a number of veteran delegates who'd backed either Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison in his bid for party chairman against Perez, or Sanders in 2016.

www.vanityfair.com

#70 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-10-25 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#70 I wonder if they are not bothering with Bernie since he isn't really, and never was, committed to progressive progress.

#71 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-25 09:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

On a positive note:

Dave Weigel‏ @daveweigel

DNC passes resolution officially rejecting "corporate donors" that conflict w platform -- long-standing Berniecrat priority.
7:57 AM - 20 Oct 2017

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-25 09:32 PM | Reply

#70 I wonder if they are not bothering with Bernie since he isn't really, and never was, committed to progressive progress.

#71 | Posted by BruceBanner

If bernie wasn't, then NO ONE is.

Anyone who supports the goldman sachs candidate can't lecture progressives about progressiveness.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-25 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also on a positive note:

'Wellstone way' hailed as key for battered Democratic Party

When U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison and former Vice President Walter Mondale spoke at the University of Minnesota Sunday, an event timed to the 15th anniversary of the death of Minnesota political icon Paul Wellstone, the subject was how Democrats could regain their lost mojo... .

The way out of the wilderness and back to mattering could be found, it was suggested at the event, by going the "Wellstone way," a mix of economic populism and grassroots organizing.

www.southernminn.com

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-25 09:35 PM | Reply

'A lot of us are lifelong Democrats who like voting for real Democrats better than temporary ones.'

Wow, what's it like to be part of the problem?
Not even a double take, this is straight up how you feel. No wonder the democrats are coming up with inspiring slogans like 'hey have you seen the other guys?'

#75 | Posted by Kreator at 2017-10-25 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Anyone who supports the goldman sachs candidate can't lecture progressives about progressiveness.
#73 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Lol - Says the Clinton voter.

#76 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 09:47 PM | Reply

"A "communist sympathizer?" The cold war ended 20 years ago, McCarthy."

And WWII ended 71 years before Trump was elected...yet that hasn't stopped him from being accused of being a National Socialist, has it?

"What are the economic realities of reality?"

The reality is that Bernie's economic platform assumed that higher taxes on some income earners and increased benefits for others would not affect economic behavior. That's the type of forecast you produce when you know your constituents are too illiterate on the subject to raise questions.

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-25 09:53 PM | Reply

#78 Sheeple

He voted for Clinton over Trump.

In fairness, Speaks was strongly in the Bernie camp and as recently as today was castigating the DNC for giving preferential treatment to Clinton over Sanders.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 09:54 PM | Reply

Sheep, I'm pretty sure Speaks has a Bernie tattoo on his lower back.

#79 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-25 10:00 PM | Reply

Headline should read fake socialist gets caught lying again.

#80 | Posted by Tor at 2017-10-25 10:51 PM | Reply

70 I wonder if they are not bothering with Bernie since he isn't really, and never was, committed to progressive progress.

#71 | Posted by BruceBanner at 20

your nuts and a conservative

User Info

BruceBanner

Seniority: 207

Party: None

Ideology: Conservative

Dont bother giving me a lecture about progressives you're a self admitted conservative

As I said before your a Rockefeller Repub

#81 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-10-25 10:58 PM | Reply

Punchy,

Has it ever occurred to you that Banner might not have been truthful labeling himself as a conservative?

Here, I'll help you out:

101CHAIRBORNE

Jim Rockford.

Seniority: 12

Party: Democrat

Ideology: Other

#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:05 PM | Reply

Little, if anything, in Banner's posting history suggests he fits the label of conservative.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:06 PM | Reply

Has it ever occurred to you that Banner might not have been truthful labeling himself as a conservative?
#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 20

BruceBanner has stated more then once in the nooner he is a conservative

#84 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-10-25 11:14 PM | Reply

"I wonder if they are not bothering with Bernie since he isn't really, and never was, committed to progressive progress."

I think a lot of folks would disagree with you on that.

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-25 11:20 PM | Reply

BruceBanner has stated more then once in the nooner he is a conservative

#84 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

His posting history contradicts this.

Banner is left of center. If he is being genuine my guess is that he hangs with a crowd that is WAY left of center and he thus feels like a conservative.

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 11:30 PM | Reply

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-2

His posting history is that of a neo-liberal who at one time would have been called a Rockefeller Repub but being there is no room in the repub party for
such people he now stands with neo-liberal conservative Dems

#87 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-10-25 11:42 PM | Reply

Punchy,

I see the totality of his posts differently. There is some overlap on a Venn Diagram, but there is also disagreement.

I think the one thing we can both agree on is that we don't want to make him angry because we won't like it when he's angry.

#88 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-26 12:14 AM | Reply

"Lol - Says the Clinton voter."

Speaks is a Clinton voter? Wow, that's news to me. I thought he voted for Stein. Speaks is an ardent Bernie supporter and an ardent Hillary detractor. From my perspective, the difference between you and Speaks is that Speaks doesn't give Trump a free pass the way you do.

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-26 12:25 AM | Reply

Gal,

Speaks is a Clinton voter out of pragmatism - voted Clinton over Trump. During the primary Speaks was an ardent Sanders supporter and has been extremely consistent regarding this. Speaks has pointy of faults but when it comes to this the consistency is steadfast.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-26 12:31 AM | Reply

"pointy" (sic) = plenty

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-26 12:32 AM | Reply

Bernie blew it. He's as relevant as John Kerry at this point. Less, even.

#92 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-10-26 12:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie blew it. He's as relevant as John Kerry at this point. Less, even.

#92 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

I disagree. He seems to have cultivated a left-wing version of the Tea Party on the left. The question is whether or not it's sustainable. Time will tell.

#93 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-26 12:48 AM | Reply

- give Trump a free pass the way you do.

Apparently you've never read my posts.

I call out hypocritical progressive centrists pretending to be liberals.

And mass hysteria/fear/division driven politics.

#94 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-26 12:50 AM | Reply

He voted for Clinton over Trump.
In fairness, Speaks was strongly in the Bernie camp and as recently as today was castigating the DNC for giving preferential treatment to Clinton over Sanders.
#78 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Speaks voted for 'lesser evil' and helped to continue a flawed system of 'nothing can be done, so I'll give into it' mentality.

That's what they want - for us to give up. I won't be a party to it, nor will I console those who do.

#95 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-26 12:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Little, if anything, in Banner's posting history suggests he fits the label of conservative.

He's a conservative democrat. He and I clashed more than a few times during the primaries. A few of his opinions stood out strongly conservative to me and when confronted (and once I checked his user page) he admitted to be conservative.

There are differing degrees of conservatism. Bruce happens to be one of the few conservative democrats left.

And when you got moderate conservative democrats running for office. It makes it easier for moderate conservatives to vote for them.

Despite what some may believe. Hillary was a moderate. Obama was a moderate. Bill was a moderate.

Bernie was a liberal. Which is why the DNC hated him. It exposed them as fraud liberals.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-26 01:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#87 & 88

From my perspective he's a left leaning centrist. He leans left of center just as far as I learn to the right of center.

Just give him some corndogs and he won't get angry, and hulk out Jeffj.

#97 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-26 01:09 AM | Reply

Seriously show of hands.

Who is really surprised by this news of Bernie ?

#98 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-26 01:10 AM | Reply

Despite what some may believe. Hillary was a NWO. Obama was a Liberal Democrat. Bill was a NWO.
Bernie was an extremely left wing liberal. Which is why the DNC hated him. It exposed them as frauds.

#96 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

FTFY

#99 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-26 01:15 AM | Reply

Obama was a Liberal Democrat.

Absurd.

What, in your opinion, made Obama a liberal?

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-26 01:20 AM | Reply

"Speaks is a Clinton voter out of pragmatism - voted Clinton over Trump."

Okay, that makes sense. Speaks cares about what happens to people in our country today, unlike Sheeple who considers anyone hurt under a Trump presidency to be collateral damage in his war on the DNC.

#101 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-26 01:27 AM | Reply

What, in your opinion, made Obama a liberal?
#100 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

He's black. There. I said it.

#102 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-26 02:11 AM | Reply

There are differing degrees of conservatism. Bruce happens to be one of the few conservative democrats left.

In all sincerity, I agree.

But what do I know. This coming from a guy that eats breadsticks with his milk shake.

So there's that.

#103 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-26 02:12 AM | Reply

What, in your opinion, made Obama a liberal?
#100 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

He's black. There. I said it.
#102 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

In all seriousness. I was thinking that same thing.

Well. Makes sense.

I guess. Despite being a moderate conservative president for eight years. He was really a liberal, because he was black.

💩💩💩

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-26 02:40 AM | Reply

Bernie made a mistake.

#105 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-26 07:53 AM | Reply

What, in your opinion, made Obama a liberal?

#100 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

The policies, an executive orders that he endorsed and passed.

104 & 102 Smh Lmao wow you two. Careful in this current climate someone might take you seriously on that. Or agree Smh.

We haven't seen a true conservative in the WH in several decades so I understand your perspective that he was a moderate. He isn't though.

#106 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-26 08:17 AM | Reply

"What, in your opinion, made Obama a liberal?"

I never thought he was that liberal. Presidents are usually cast as more extreme while in office but they get moved back to the middle in the rear view mirror. I see comments about GWB from the extreme left here indicating they realize, now, that he wasn't that extreme of a conservative.

This is always a problem with extreme partisans who think the world is coming to an end because the other party occupies the WH.

#107 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-26 08:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The superdelegate system was designed to prevent any grassroots candidate from being nominated and it should surprise no one that that was the outcome. DNC email leaks revealed that the Democratic leadership rigged the primary using many of the same techniques Republicans use during the general election. Brazile fed Hillary debate questions and ultimately DWS had to resign. These scandals were a problem for Hillary but not determinate. 99% of the time the largest campaign chest win elections Clintons had the largest war chest of any candidate in any party. Where things really went South for Hillary was their computer polling guru was not as well rooted in reality as Trump's. Coupled with Republican voter suppression and the peculiar weaknesses of the electoral college, which invites vote tampering, in the age of computerized voting district modeling.

Republicans control the voting process in 2/3rds of all States. 25% of all ballots have no paper trail. Russian meddling is likely real, but money and Republican voter suppression and other crimes dwarf Russian efforts in flipping outcomes in favor of the minority party.

The Trump family depends on Russia for financing. No secret there. But it will be interesting to see if any key Republican campaign managers conspired with Russia in 2016. It is inconceivable that Russia had a greater illicit influence than Republicans. In the USA, big money and big propaganda aren't even considered to be the illicit undermining of free and fair elections that they are.

#108 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-26 09:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DACA
PPACA's mandate on what must be included in a policy and that each person must purchase a policy
repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell
raising minimum wage (govt contractors)
his energy policy of increased renewables SHOULD be a conservative position but the tax existing and subsidizing new isn't conservative
promising to shutter GITMO

aren't particularly conservative positions

#109 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-26 09:57 AM | Reply

Basically he's running as an Indy but will still work and most often vote with Democrats. This is a cosmetic issue unless brand names mean a lot to you.

Imagine the furor if he runs for president as an Indy.

#110 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-26 10:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Rcade- why do you prefer "real Democrats"? What is the value there?

I prefer real Democrats because I prefer the Democratic Party agenda. We've been a much more successful, tolerant and prosperous nation under Democrats than Republicans.

Democrats have a proven track record of getting ---- done. We have a network of support that includes officials at all levels with a history of accomplishments.

Third party outsiders don't. Third parties in this country can't even get House members elected. They haven't shown they can build a movement. They're mostly good at building excuses.

For the person who said my position is because I favor party over country, I cordially invite you to go to hell. Anyone who believes that about me after all these years on the Retort is invited to ---- the ------- ---- off, today and twice on Sundays.

#111 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-26 10:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Thanks for replying to my question. I was not asking obnoxiously. I do think that in Bernie's case he has a track record that makes him different.

#112 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-26 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lol - Says the Clinton voter.

#76 | Posted by SheepleSchism

LOL says the guy who can't tell the difference between catching a cold or getting AIDS.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-26 12:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is always a problem with extreme partisans who think the world is coming to an end because the other party occupies the WH.

#107 | Posted by eberly

That's not what is happening today.

Intelligent people of all political stripes think the world could come to an end because a mental patient occupies the white house.

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-26 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I forgot to add...the partisans will always insist "this time it's different".

Now, to a more objective eye.......yes, it is different with Trump. Not necessarily with policy but with everything else.

#115 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-26 12:44 PM | Reply

yes, it is different with Trump. Not necessarily with policy but with everything else.

#115 | Posted by eberly

And which party put him in there, and is unwilling to hold him accountable for his behavior?

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-26 12:51 PM | Reply

This is always a problem with extreme partisans who think the world is coming to an end because the other party occupies the WH.

A sentiment like this normalizes Trump. He's not a normal president. People aren't so strongly opposed to him because he belongs to the other party. We're opposed because he's a dangerous, reckless, mentally unwell and unqualified person who constantly does things no president would ever do. A lot of Republicans agree with us on this.

As a Democrat I would've hated somebody like Rubio or Jeb Bush being president. But it would have been the normal hate, because the president would have acted like a president.

The hate I have for what Trump is doing as president is considerably higher than that. I don't go a day without wincing at what he's doing to this country and what he might do next. If I was religious I'd be praying he doesn't blunder into a nuclear war.

#117 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-26 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I vote for candidates based on their positions on issues, not whether they pin a (D) after their name.

If Bernie is the best candidate I will vote for him.

I would even vote for a republican if they ran on the old republican platform that the current GOP thinks is almost communism

#118 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-26 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

With the fact that trump ran on lies and the repbs cheered, it should be no problem for Bernie.

#119 | Posted by bat4255 at 2017-10-26 06:37 PM | Reply

The hate I have for what Trump is doing as president is considerably higher than that. I don't go a day without wincing at what he's doing to this country and what he might do next. If I was religious I'd be praying he doesn't blunder into a nuclear war.

#117 | POSTED BY RCADE

I am not religious. But I "pray" every day we get one more day without one of our generals having to tackle Trump to prevent him from starting a nuclear war. We are closer to creating that reality than anytime since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

We have a madman in the Whitehouse but Sheeple wants us to "calm down".

I am calm. Like the calm before the storm. Winter is coming. I feel it in my bones. Sometimes I feel like a lost voice in the wilderness. A stranger in a strange land.

Bernie was the closest thing we have had to bringing sanity back to our politics and we decided not to go that path. Then a portion of us fell for the Russian and Trump created propaganda that Clinton was "evil". And so now here we are with a madman in the Whitehouse.

Welcome to Fantasyland. I hope you all enjoy the ride.

We have spent 500 years building this Theme Park we call America.

It may end up being a very short ride for many of us.

#120 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-27 05:49 AM | Reply

I don't oppose Trump because he ran as a republican. I oppose Trump because he is acting in a purely self interested manner and doing things that hurt most Americans and hurt our nation as a whole.

I also do not vote against or for anyone because of party. It just so happens that the republican PLATFORM is predicated on destroying many of the things that make America great.

If republicans come up with ideas that help make America a better place for everyone I will vote for them. Telling me that if we do more of the same BS we've been trying for 40 years that has done nothing for anyone except a select few is not going to win my vote.

#121 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-27 11:23 AM | Reply

"The hate I have for what Trump is doing as president is considerably higher than that. I don't go a day without wincing at what he's doing to this country and what he might do next. If I was religious I'd be praying he doesn't blunder into a nuclear war."

I understand your feelings about Trump but do you recognize how corrupt our election process has been made by Republicans and how voter suppression gave Trump his victory? I honestly believe Democrats need to boycott all elections to demonstrate that we do not believe, any longer, that America is actually a democracy with free and fair elections. Our elections are about as free and fair as they are in Russia. We look like fools lining up at the polls. I won't be doing it again until we fix our democracy. Kris Kobach should be in prison along with all of his co-conspirators in the GOP.

#122 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-27 11:32 AM | Reply

"If republicans come up with ideas that help make America a better place for everyone I will vote for them."

And if pigs learn to fly I'll believe that is possible.

#123 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-27 11:35 AM | Reply

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