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Tuesday, October 24, 2017

A University of Illinois math professor believes that algebra and geometry perpetuate "white privilege" because Greek terms give Caucasians unearned credit for the subject.

But that isn't the professor's only complaint. She also believes that evaluations for math proficiency perpetuates discrimination against minority students, if they do worse than their white counterparts.

Rochelle Gutierrez argues in a newly published math education book for teachers that they must be aware of the identity politics surrounding the subject of mathematics.

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"On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness," she argues with complete sincerity, according to Campus Reform. "Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White."

Gutierrez argues that subjects like algebra and geometry, which relate to arithmetic, also perpetuate racism and white privilege. She worries that "curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans."

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Nobody ever told her that Algebra was invented by Muslims? They tell you that in 7th grade, when you learn to pronounce the word "algebra".

Did she just forget that, or is she just that insane and stupid?

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-24 04:11 PM | Reply

Also, I'm pretty damn sure it was India that invented the zero. For two hundred thousand years, Mankind thought things like: "If you don't have anything, why bother to count it?"

So what about Indian supremacy?

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-24 04:13 PM | Reply

--Also, I'm pretty damn sure it was India that invented the zero

Yes, they are called hindu-arabic numerals.

"Hindu-Arabic numerals, set of 10 symbols -- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0 -- that represent numbers in the decimal number system. They originated in India in the 6th or 7th century and were introduced to Europe through the writings of Middle Eastern mathematicians, especially al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi, about the 12th century."

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-24 04:17 PM | Reply

#1

"The word algebra is a Latin variant of the Arabic word al-jabr. This came from the title of a book, Hidab al-jabr wal-muqubala, written in Baghdad about 825 A.D. by the Arab mathematician Mohammed ibn-Musa al-Khowarizmi."

Seems like she is a little too much the SJW to be around children.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-24 04:31 PM | Reply

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#6 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-24 05:03 PM | Reply

"Yes extreme liberalism is a mental disorder" - #5 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2017-10-24 04:39 PM

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Oops.

#7 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-24 05:03 PM | Reply

"Yes extreme liberalism is a mental disorder"

Cool, now do extreme conservatism.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 05:14 PM | Reply

"you do know that conservatives are richer than liberals and give more to charity, right? "

I did a little digging and these are the top charities:
1. International Brotherhood Of Border Wall Workers
2. Send All The Blacks Back To Africa Foundation
3. American Coalition To Pray The Gay Away
4. Civil War Monument Defense Fund
5. Tiki Chamber of Commerce

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 05:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

believes that algebra and geometry perpetuate "white privilege" because Greek terms give Caucasians unearned credit for the subject.

WOW. There is one huge leap of faith.

#12 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-24 05:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I liked how the article ended: She concludes her argument with the claim that all knowledge is "relational," or is, in other words, relative. "Things cannot be known objectively; they must be known subjectively."

So basically, 2+2 could equal 5 in the right social environment. I'm pretty sure that's why Sandra G. Harding called the Principia Mathematica a "rape manual" back in 1986. Because it actually proves arithmetic is real.

#14 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-24 06:19 PM | Reply

Hans, you do know that conservatives are richer than liberals and give more to charity, right?

Conservatives only give more to charity if churches are counted as charity. Money you give to your church increases its power and influence, so there's self-interest involved that makes it different than giving to a charity.

The Daily Caller is dishonest right wing --------. Find a better source.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-24 06:27 PM | Reply

--The Daily Caller is dishonest right wing --------. Find a better source.

The source is an academic journal that published her comments.

www.infoagepub.com

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-24 06:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Right-wingers are mad that there might be a way to teach math to minorities more effectively.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 06:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The link is Daily Caller. It's a ---- site that spins information dishonestly to support a ------ agenda. You know this.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-24 06:37 PM | Reply

#18

How about this link RCade, it goes straight to the page in the book where she discussed this idiocy:

Building Support for Scholarly Practices in Mathematics Methods

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-24 06:42 PM | Reply

Straight from her book:

The way mathematics operates in our world and the politics that mathematics brings are important for MTEs to consider. On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White. School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans. Perhaps more importantly, mathematics operates with unearned privilege in society, just like Whiteness.
You can't make this ---- up.

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-24 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And what exactly in #19 did you find problematic when it comes to teaching math to kids?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 06:48 PM | Reply

#21

"Perhaps more importantly, mathematics operates with unearned privilege in society, just like Whiteness."

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-24 06:54 PM | Reply

These people are teaching the next generation. Heaven help us.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-24 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And how exactly are you going to defend the sentence in #22 Snoofy?

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-24 06:57 PM | Reply

Agree with it or not the thesis is more than about Whiteness. essentially the author is arguing that mathematics is viewed as apolitical as essential truth, whereby intelligence is measured-i.e. not intelligent in math-not intelligent. Then the author goes on to argue that mathematics is political and the same accommodations should be made for mathematics as compared to more subjective disciplines, ie English. I believe that she is gearing the argument to the method of teaching and not to the objective of correctness-she refers to methods that have been successful for minority students that were terminated for other programs despite success being achieved. I stopped reading at this point.

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-24 07:02 PM | Reply

"Then the author goes on to argue that mathematics is political"

She argues that mathematics should be taught with political conociemento ("knowledge") and that Math Teachers need to politicize math to get away from it's Whiteness. To that point, she argues that there needs to be an understanding of "el mundo zurdo", to teach about a community that is "the left handed world of solidarity among people of color, people who are -----, historically looted, physically challenged and resisting various forms of colonization" by "Whiteness."

It's math, FFS. Don't politicize it, teach the core concepts and let the numbers do their magic.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-24 07:13 PM | Reply

"Then the author goes on to argue that mathematics is political"
She argues that mathematics should be taught with political conociemento ("knowledge") and that Math Teachers need to politicize math to get away from it's Whiteness. To that point, she argues that there needs to be an understanding of "el mundo zurdo", to teach about a community that is "the left handed world of solidarity among people of color, people who are -----, historically looted, physically challenged and resisting various forms of colonization" by "Whiteness."
It's math, FFS. Don't politicize it, teach the core concepts and let the numbers do their magic.
#27 | Posted by Rightocenter

Her point is that the way you teach math (which changes over time) can be taught in different ways and the metrics for success (standardized tests) are detrimental to successful education

#28 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-24 07:20 PM | Reply

I sure hope none of your students end up being engineers, being "taught different ways and metrics" for building bridges, Truthy.

#29 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-10-24 08:19 PM | Reply

"And how exactly are you going to defend the sentence in #22 Snoofy?"

Well, it's got a subject and a verb, tenses are correct, and it conveys an idea.

Sentence don't need no defending.

Why do you think it's impossible that cultural considerations can improve math teaching?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 08:25 PM | Reply

"It's math, FFS. Don't politicize it, teach the core concepts and let the numbers do their magic.
#27 | Posted by Rightocenter"

Core Concepts you say.

Did you think Common Core is political?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 08:26 PM | Reply

I sure hope none of your students end up being engineers, being "taught different ways and metrics" for building bridges, Truthy.
#29 | Posted by cookfish

There is more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to teach math. That is a given for the educated.

The point the author is making is that teachers should use their own judgement (politics) to decide how best to teach students.

The smartest students aren't necessarily the ones doing best on standardized tests.

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-24 08:32 PM | Reply

I sure hope none of your students end up being engineers, being "taught different ways and metrics" for building bridges...

No ----. The last thing any engineer would do is try something different.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-10-24 08:35 PM | Reply

Why do you think it's impossible that cultural considerations can improve math teaching?

That's the same question I had. But we both know that nobody freaking out over this actually read the chapter. They just want to lose their minds because somebody is thinking critically about effects of white privilege.

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-24 09:09 PM | Reply

Or somebody is just an ideological fanatic.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-24 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Don't be so hard on yourself, Null. You're not ideological.

#36 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-24 09:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I like how when I mentioned Common Core it was like Kryptonite for RoC.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 09:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The way mathematics operates in our world and the politics that mathematics brings are important for MTEs to consider. On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White. School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans. Perhaps more importantly, mathematics operates with unearned privilege in society, just like Whiteness."

I think the point she is trying to make--or should be trying to make--is that in American society mathematics is seen as whiteness, but perhaps to be more accurate she should have said male whiteness. There has been the tendency over the years to encourage boys rather than girls to go into math and the sciences. It was generally thought girls weren't good at math and science because they were girls. Perhaps certain minorities aren't encouraged to enter those fields as much as white children are and for similar reasons. Who developed what and when can't be changed and shouldn't be denied. Concentrating on that is counterproductive. Here's a thought: take a look at the book/movie Hidden Figures and include that in your course curriculum for inspiration.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-24 11:53 PM | Reply

#39 raised a valid point. If you really can't see how counterproductive it is to racialize every bloody thing on the planet, including mathematics itself, and calling everthing WP contributed to someone like Trump getting elected, then you might be part of the problem.

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-10-25 09:30 AM | Reply

This is pure rubbish.

Pseudo-intellectuals like this bitter woman should never be allowed into a classroom.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry Snoofy, there was that thingy called the World Series that I had to go to.

Common Core and core math concepts are completely different things, core math concepts have been around since that entitled and privileged Greek bastard embedded "Whiteness" into geometry.

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Sorry Snoofy, there was that thingy called the World Series that I had to go to.

Awesome. This might be the year that ends the drought since the most memorable sports play I ever saw--Kirk Gibson's home run.

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-25 01:21 PM | Reply

But we both know that nobody freaking out over this actually read the chapter.

I read the whole chapter, and it is total BS, it is pretty much summarized in my #27.

STEM should be the least politicized subjects there are. Of course people should work on ways to increase interest in underrepresented communities in STEM curriculum, but to blame this on Whiteness is SJW BS in the extreme.

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 01:23 PM | Reply

Los Doyers!
I can not stop saying that. It's my new "fake news".

My buddy in LA (he's a mexican) tells me that there is a movement of people that think the "Los Doyers" parephenalia is racist and demeaning.
What is wrong with these sjw's? I think I'm going to start to beat those clowns up if I ever meet one in real life. They're total fun cops.

#45 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-25 01:24 PM | Reply

Poor test results, drop outs, crime rates, etc that show minorities in a bad light are always the work of whitey.
We knock up their teens, we keep them from studying, we convince them that being educated is bad...
Nope, nuffin is ever their fault.

Math is racist.

#46 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-25 01:27 PM | Reply

#43

Dude, it was so hot in Chavez Ravine my wife's sunglass case melted in my car. We were sitting on the first base line near home plate and while it was 103 on the field, in the stands it had to be about 110. We went up to the Stadium Club and it was SRO, my wife stayed there while I continued a steady "hydration" regimen at our seats.

When Turner hit that 2 run jack in the 6th I thought everyone was going to lose their minds.

Awesome.

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 01:29 PM | Reply

My buddy in LA (he's a mexican) tells me that there is a movement of people that think the "Los Doyers" parephenalia is racist and demeaning.

That "movement" is mostly white lefties with too much time on their hands. My Hispanic friends have been calling them Los Doyers and the Giants Los Gigantes for decades. I had some old woman come up to one of my clients (who is the GC at Univision) who was wearing a Los Doyers jersey that he bought in the freaking Stadium Store and tell him he was a disgrace to his culture.

------.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 01:35 PM | Reply

"STEM should be the least politicized subjects there are."

I don't think we have the same understanding of what "politics" is.

I think when the government and by extension public schools push STEM, is a political act in and of itself. Do you agree?

I'll give you an example, I got some NSF scholarship money which required taking some stats courses. There were some politics required to made that happen.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 01:38 PM | Reply

"STEM should be the least politicized subjects there are."

I don't think we have the same understanding of what "politics" is.

You're not speaking to the same thing as ROC.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Common Core and core math concepts are completely different things, core math concepts have been around since that entitled and privileged Greek bastard embedded "Whiteness" into geometry."

Wrong on both fronts.

Common Core includes math standards.

Standards of teaching math are constantly evolving; as Common Core demonstrates.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 01:42 PM | Reply

"You're not speaking to the same thing as ROC."

Yes I am.

STEM got politicized the minute government started pushing it.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 01:43 PM | Reply

"Math is racist."

Is a law declaring one gram of crack cocaine weights as much as 100 grams of powder, for sentencing purposes, racist?

It's obviousy not good math, can we at least agree on that?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 01:51 PM | Reply

Snoofy, just because you got grant money doesn't automatically mean that the curricula is politicized.

Common Core is a political movement to push certain subjects.

Core math concepts are how you manipulate numbers and figures to explain how things work.

A triple integral is the least political expression on the planet, but you need to understand core calculus concepts to be able to solve it.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 01:54 PM | Reply

--Common Core is a political movement to push certain subjects.

Collectivist Core is beloved by statists who want all power over everything in Washington, DC.

#55 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-25 01:57 PM | Reply

"Common Core is a political movement to push certain subjects."

STEM is a political movement to push a subset of Common Core subjects.

If we can't agree on that, you need to go back to school.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 01:58 PM | Reply

STEM is a political movement to push a subset of Common Core subjects.

Wrong.

STEM is an acronym that has been used in one form or another since the 1950s, it was originally SME and was coined at MIT, then in the 1990s it was commonly expanded to SMET to add a broader "Technology" aspect and was changed to STEM by the National Science Foundation in 2001.

Since you are still in school, you need to stay there.

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 02:30 PM | Reply

"STEM is a political movement..." - #56 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 01:58 PM

STEM is merely an acronym for science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

#58 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 02:36 PM | Reply

I'm aware of what STEM means.

The push to get more students into STEM fields is supported by political action.

Like that NSF grant I got.

Did you know we have a Department of Education? I wonder if that's political...

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 03:00 PM | Reply

"Collectivist Core is beloved by statists who want all power over everything in Washington, DC."

You could make the same puling complaint about the Uniform Commerce Code.

But you don't, because even you can figure out why harmonizing commerce law is beneficial.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 03:03 PM | Reply

"Snoofy, just because you got grant money doesn't automatically mean that the curricula is politicized."

It means my entry into the program was incentivized by bureaucrats.

Was the creation of the incentive a political act? Yes it was.

LOL @ triple integral. My undergrad is in physics. Yours too?

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 03:06 PM | Reply

"Core math concepts are how you manipulate numbers and figures to explain how things work."

In practice, core math concepts are dictated at the State level by a political entity know as the Board of Education.

You might have heard about things like teaching evolution in biology class? That's a political agenda, not driven by scientific or educational precepts.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 03:10 PM | Reply

#61

BSEE Computer Science for 7 quarters at UCLA until I transferred out of SEAS into the College of Letters and Science to a much softer "science", aka Political Science. Managed to maintain a 3.1 avg through Calculus 33C. Hated every minute of my calc classes.

#59

Now you are just trolling, of course DOE is pushing students into STEM (an acronym), but if you are a physics major then you know that hard science is not political, it is just science. Made it through four quarters of physics as well, a lot more fun but I hardly remember any of it.

#63 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 03:12 PM | Reply

core math concepts are dictated at the State level by a political entity know as the Board of Education.

Now you are just talking out of your --- again, the curricula is mandated by the School Board/State/DOE but the core concepts of math, i.e. that theory named after that privileged Greek dude, were discovered centuries ago.

#64 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 03:15 PM | Reply

"BSEE..." - #63 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 03:12 PM

RoC, my father received his BSEE from Northwestern following WWII, courtesy of the GI Bill.

I have early memories of him putting together Heathkit radios, including this one.

#65 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 03:17 PM | Reply

Snoofy, do you really think that Madhava and Nilakantha, when they were formulating the infinite series or Newton and Leibniz when they were divining fluxional and integral calculus ever thought, "wow, this is intensely political"?

#66 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 03:23 PM | Reply

#65

Cool, my dad got his BSEE, MSME and MS in Math at San Jose State on the GI Bill after Korea, and the GI Bill paid for my law school.

#67 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This Teacher needs to do her part in the Revolution, and make sure students of color are given every advantage to succeed in the classroom, even if that means to grade every minority on a curve.

This isn't about learning it's about equality

#68 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-10-25 03:31 PM | Reply

I didn't get any degrees and I can post on the DR too.

#69 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 03:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here is a video discussing this very same subject

youtu.be

#70 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-10-25 03:41 PM | Reply

#66 Silly, RoC...they were thinking "Holy crap, this is so WHITE!"

#71 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-25 03:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The point the author is making is that teachers should use their own judgement (politics) to decide how best to teach students."

Sounds mostly like she was arguing that teachers should use their own judgement (politics) to decide how best to grade students.

BTW, I looked up her bio. She's not a math teacher. She has a BA from Stanford in Human Biology, and an MA and PhD in Curriculum and Instruction from the University of Chicago. not only does she not have a math or math-related degree...she doesn't even have a BS. She is kinda cute though...

As for the classes she taches, they include:

Teaching Diverse Higher School Students
Urban Schools and Schooling
MST Proseminar (the closest she comes to teaching a real class)
Sociological Perspectives in Math and Science
Social Justice in School and Society

You're an idiot if you trust someone who doesn't even have a math degree to tell you how math should be taught.

#72 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-25 04:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Social Justice in School and Society

No wonder she spouts SJW ---- like "the left handed world of solidarity among people of color, people who are -----, historically looted, physically challenged and resisting various forms of colonization" by "Whiteness."

#73 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 04:21 PM | Reply

This math teacher sounds like she'd fit in here with the other loons..
Except she isn't white as snow like you clowns.

#74 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-25 04:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Except she isn't white as snow like you clowns.

The DR Left Snowflakes exhibiting White Guilt.

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-25 04:39 PM | Reply

On the bus recently there was a 60ish black man who was propounding his belief that the number zero was somehow a built-in threat to black people.

#76 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2017-10-25 07:14 PM | Reply

Are you sure he wasn't talking about Prisoner Zero?

#77 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-10-25 07:33 PM | Reply

"but if you are a physics major then you know that hard science is not political, it is just science"

What's a Superconducting Supercollider?
You know, the thing we didn't build in Waxahatchee, Texas?
Instead, we let the EU take the lead in high energy physics?
Because Republicans didn't think it was worth investing in?

Proof that physics is 100% free of politics.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 07:52 PM | Reply

"the core concepts of math"

This is about how the core concepts of math are presented in a pedagogical setting.
It's not like she's saying geometry needs to be removed from the curriculum, because it's too white.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 07:55 PM | Reply

"Instead, we let the EU take the lead in high energy physics?"

And the EU "let" the US take the lead in pretty much everything else?

Was that a political decision resulting from discussions at Brussels.

"It's not like she's saying geometry needs to be removed from the curriculum, because it's too white."

No. What she was saying is that geometry favors whites, so non-whites shouldn't be expected to achieve the same learning standards, and shouldn't be graded in a manner that would reflect their lack of knowledge on geometry.

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-25 08:08 PM | Reply

#79 I remember when I was in geometry class: the white students inherently understood it due to their white privilege, but blacks, Asians, and Hispanics had to be beaten and chained, in completely inhumane conditions, to get them to learn it by wrote. It was inhuman. How can we let this go on in our fascist, racist county? Has anyone even though about social justice?

#81 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-25 08:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I wonder how Rochelle Gutierrez reconciles the fact that Asians are better at math than whites...maybe she excludes them as an outlier. That happened recently in another DR thread.

Or maybe high performing minorities are granted honorary white status.

#82 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-25 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#77 yes sentinel he was talking about math, did not agree that zero was invented in India and never said the word prisoner. He seemed to think whites were keeping blacks down with zero. When I as an old white guy told him he was a racist I was astonished when the all black ridership all broke out in a good chuckle at that with a few lols. The guy shut up. But now it seems he might be a confused follower of the prof in this article.

#83 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2017-10-26 12:11 AM | Reply

"The guy shut up. But now it seems he might be a confused follower of the prof in this article."

This sounds like something she might want to adopt as part of her curriculum...how the zero concept is white invention intended to oppress minorities.

#84 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-26 10:27 AM | Reply

"What she was saying is that geometry favors whites, so non-whites shouldn't be expected to achieve the same learning standards, and shouldn't be graded in a manner that would reflect their lack of knowledge on geometry."

Where does she say that?

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 01:28 PM | Reply

"I wonder how Rochelle Gutierrez reconciles the fact that Asians are better at math than whites."

How do you reconcile that?

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 01:36 PM | Reply

"Where does she say that?"

Here is where she says that:

"To resolve the intelligence gap, Gutierrez calls on math professors to develop a sense of "political conocimiento," a Spanish term for "political knowledge for teaching."

She concludes her argument with the claim that all knowledge is "relational," or is, in other words, relative. "Things cannot be known objectively; they must be known subjectively."

"How do you reconcile that?"

By concluding that math does not promote white privilege...since it's not whites who are most proficient at math.

Not that it's difficult to argue against someone who feels that mathematical outcomes should be subjective.

#87 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-26 02:48 PM | Reply

"Here is where she says that:
"To resolve the intelligence gap, Gutierrez calls on math professors to develop a sense of "political conocimiento," a Spanish term for "political knowledge for teaching."

Uh..... That does not say grade them easier.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 02:54 PM | Reply

"By concluding that math does not promote white privilege...since it's not whites who are most proficient at math."

Not math.
The way math is taught.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 02:55 PM | Reply

The Weird part about snoofy is that he is not actually a troll: he really believes in what he is saying. The only other time in my life that anyone set off my Weirdar like that (and caused my brain to blow flares and chaff) was when I was in a park about 20 years ago, and I met a Hispanic man walking down the tracks over the railroad bridge who told me was Jesus. That man later turned out to be "the Railroad Killer", a serial murderer who thought that white women where actually demons. He had at least nine victims that we know of.

#90 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-26 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you are doing algebra in university, you already have proven you suck at math.

Why do chinese people DOMINATE in math world wide.
South asians make white americans look like idiots in math AND spelling.

with that said. Math taught in america IS horrible. And people are trying to find a reason. Of course a critical race theory fan will think its race.

#91 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-26 03:41 PM | Reply

"he really believes in what he is saying"

Thanks.

Such naked honesty must be a very difficult thing for you to comprehend!

However, sometimes I'm just saying what others believe, even though I don't really believe it myself. Like anytime there is a mass shooting thread, I try to work in the lie which so many others, especially right-wingers, believe: "Guns keep us safe!"

Heliumrat you're incarcerated yeah?

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 03:43 PM | Reply

However, sometimes I'm just saying what others believe, even though I don't really believe it myself.

Which is why you are a troll.

#93 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-26 03:48 PM | Reply

#92 | Posted by snoofy

"Heliumrat you're incarcerated yeah?"

Don't make me clog your zipper for the rest of your life with my mutant mind power.

#94 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-26 04:00 PM | Reply

I'll take that as a yes.

RoC if quoting something you don't agree with makes you a troll, then we're all trolls.

Trolling should be made of sterner stuff.

Like if you spend half the thread doing it, like Goatman, who still lives in our heads, rent-free.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 04:04 PM | Reply

"Not math. The way math is taught."

No, math...not the way math is taught. Math is by nature not subject to subjectivity. The answer to 4+4 is not situation dependent. The answer is not going to change regardless of race, creed, or color.

#96 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-26 09:05 PM | Reply

"Why do chinese people DOMINATE in math world wide."

It's cultural. Asians seem to trend towards believing that hard work and education are the keys to a good life. More and more Americans think that they key lies with the politicians who is going to give them the most free stuff if you vote for them.

You sound like you know something about these things, so I'm sure you've noticed how many students are studying after hours in the engineering building, versus those in the history building. Yet those students in the history building have been taught that they should be entitled to everything that's coming to those in the engineering building (in return for their hard work), even while the history students spend their evenings getting high and drinking coffee.

#97 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-26 09:09 PM | Reply

More and more Americans think that they key lies with the politicians who is going to give them the most free stuff if you vote for them.

Which is why Republicans are gutting education.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-26 09:13 PM | Reply

"The Weird part about snoofy is that he is not actually a troll: he really believes in what he is saying."

I don't think so. He just enjoys playing the part of the devil's advocate...even if the argument in question is so outlandish that it would not seem to be debatable by rational people.

#99 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-26 10:00 PM | Reply

"Which is why Republicans are gutting education."

That's not always bad though. The City of Baltimore (which hosts generally ------ schools) spends 27% more on public education as nearby Fairfax county, VA (which has some of the best schools in the US). So it begs the question why taxpayers would be willing to pay more while getting less.

#100 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-26 10:05 PM | Reply

"Math is by nature not subject to subjectivity. The answer to 4+4 is not situation dependent."

Perhaps you've heard the expression there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Well, there's also more than one way to teach math.
Do you disagree?

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 10:09 PM | Reply

" He just enjoys playing the part of the devil's advocate...even if the argument in question is so outlandish that it would not seem to be debatable by rational people."

So you don't think I'm a serial killer then?
Man, what's it take to get through to you!

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 10:15 PM | Reply

"The City of Baltimore (which hosts generally ------ schools) spends 27% more on public education as nearby Fairfax county, VA"

It's actually only 12 percent more per student; the 27% figure is revenue, not expenditures, as you'd see if you clicked the links in the Cato piece you're referencing.

You're comparing two very different areas. One is poor and black, the other is rich and white.

BMore: In 2009, the median household income was $42,241 and the median income per capita was $25,707, compared to the national median income of $53,889 per household and $28,930 per capita. In Baltimore, 23.7% of the population lived below the poverty line, compared to 13.5% nationwide.

Fairfax: The median income for a household in the county was $81,050, and the median income for a family was $92,146; in a 2007 estimate, these figures rose to $102,460 and $120,804, respectively. Males had a median income of $60,503 versus $41,802 for females. The per capita income for the county was $36,888... A more recent report from the 2007 American Community Survey indicated that poverty in Fairfax County, Virginia had risen to 4.9%.

More to the point, even if people in Baltmore somehow had the ability to attend school in Fairfax, the people of Fairfax would fight to keep them out, if Ferguson is any lesson.

"As hundreds of school districts across the nation have been released from court-enforced integration over the past 15 years, the number of what researchers call "apartheid schools" -- in which the whtie population is 1 percent or less -- has shot up. The achievemant gap, narrowed during the height of school integration, has widened." comment-news.com

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 10:43 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

You should know by now that MadBomber is a troll.

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-26 11:25 PM | Reply

An anti-integration troll at that.

As opposed to Et_Al, who is an anti-integration Serious Person.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-26 11:31 PM | Reply

"Common Core is a political movement to push certain subjects."
and
"Collectivist Core is beloved by statists who want all power over everything in Washington, DC."

www.thedailybeast.com
"YouTube Trumpkin and Former Milo Intern Kills His Own Dad for Calling Him a Nazi"

"Lane suggested the campaign of online harassment (doxing, and rape and death threats were favored practices) targeting female video-game developers in 2014 was linked to the education standards known as Common Core."

Try not to kill your parents, okay guys?

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-27 12:13 AM | Reply

"Lane found the opportunity for bylines not on Breitbart, but on a website even further to the right, TheRalphRetort.com. Headed by prominent GamerGate leader, Ethan Ralph -- currently serving an eight-month sentence in a Loudon County, Virginia, jail for assaulting a police officer -- the site published Lane's content almost daily."

Which DR poster is Ethan Ralph?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-27 12:16 AM | Reply

#106 Not likely, snoofy. As you told me in another thread, not being a criminal is part of "white privilege". So that means that criminality is determined solely by the color of your skin (unless you're Irish).

#108 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-27 01:00 AM | Reply

"As you told me in another thread, not being a criminal is part of "white privilege"."

Trollolol!

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-27 01:10 AM | Reply

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