Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, October 23, 2017

Axios "mapped out which drugs cause the most problems in each state, according to the number of sentences given out for each drug-related crime." Florida leads in powder cocaine, Ohio in heroin, Maine in crack and Texas in marijuana. Axios observes, "The U.S. as a whole has a meth problem, while marijuana crime sentences were relatively low in 2016 except for Texas, New Mexico and Arizona."

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#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-10-23 12:56 AM | Reply

wait...who says that DRUGS are a problem, other than being over-priced?

#2 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-10-23 12:58 AM | Reply

Wow, look at that clear line between meth and heroin. The West prefers meth and the East prefers Heroin.

I like the old fashioned location I'm at, where the map shows a night of yayo with friends is much more preferable than getting crunchy meth teeth or heroin holes all over our skin.

#3 | Posted by humtake at 2017-10-23 11:45 AM | Reply

These based on sentencing, not for usage. For example, California and the rest of the west coast doesn't bust people for pot anymore, but hugely cracks down on meth, just like Texas, NM and AZ crack down on Marijuana more than other states.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-23 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

there wasn't any meth until the government put the kibosh on benzedrine/dexedrine...people
love amphetamines

heroin addiction was only a problem for the addict and people they robbed which wasn't that
many in the overall scheme of things. its resurgence and huge increase is a direct result of
pharma and doctors flooding the communities with oxy.

see how it works...big biz creates a problem and when reigned in, customers find a substitute
in the black market. then law enforcement gets all righteous. stupid laws get rushed through
and in the end it's the same old story. poor people got to go to jail

#5 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-23 12:54 PM | Reply

Not sure how sentencing equals a problem, especially in the case of marijuana.

They also forgot to include alcohol.

#6 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-23 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Interesting how Opium use goes up after the US invation of Afghanistan.

#7 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-23 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All those idiot texas still passionately pursuing the war on weed I see.

Conservatism and common sense are enemies.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Interesting how Opium use goes up after the US invation of Afghanistan.

#7 | Posted by klifferd

Dubya. The disaster that keeps on destroying.

Trump's damages will be even wider and longer lasting.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All those idiot texasans still passionately pursuing the war on weed I see.

#8 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It's all about the money Speaks... civil asset forfeiture

#10 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-23 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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It's all about the money Speaks... civil asset forfeiture

#10 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

And as always, if something is evil, repubs excel at it. Especially the ones in texas.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 02:24 PM | Reply

www.theregister.co.uk (on the back page)

Seems pretty bipartisan to me Speaks

#12 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-23 02:31 PM | Reply

Seems pretty bipartisan to me Speaks

#12 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

False equivalence is all republicans have left.
www.newyorker.com
"we plan to develop policies to increase forfeitures," Sessions told a crowd of law-enforcement officials in Minneapolis in July, previewing a federal directive to undo the Obama Administration's mild constraints on the practice. "

Dems trying to reduce something bad. Republicans trying to increase something bad.

Same thing with the war on drugs. Anyone who smokes weed and voted for trump is a fool.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 02:38 PM | Reply

#13 Good thing I'm not a republican then..

"Obama Administration's mild constraints on the practice!!!!" Does this sound like they did much REALLY!

Are you really that partisan to think either side cares?

#14 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-23 02:47 PM | Reply

Regardless Speaks I think (correct me if I'm wrong), we both agree it's all about the money and forfeitures at least, and that is not a good thing for any private citizen.

#15 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-23 02:56 PM | Reply

Are you really that partisan to think either side cares?

#14 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

It's not partisan. It's objectivity. If one side is bad and the other side is WORSE, you go with the side that is bad. Not say "well they're exactly the same!"

Private prisons, the drug war, civil asset forfeiture, all TERRIBLE things that both parties have participated in, but dems have been moving in a better direction on them. Repubs want to keep going in a worse direction.

It's not partisan to state that reality. It's stupidity to ignore it.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Private prisons, the drug war, civil asset forfeiture, all TERRIBLE things that both parties have participated in, but dems have been moving in a better direction on them. Repubs want to keep going in a worse direction.

Sounds like you like smoke blown up your a__.....

Care to prove that either side actually did something effective to do way with any of that? It's a shell game Speaks, they just move stuff around to appear to make progress.It's stupidity to ignore it.

#17 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-23 03:49 PM | Reply

Yeah. Obama said some branch of Federal law enforcement would stop using private prisons. Holder directed Federal prosectors to not introduce the weight of drugs to avoid tying judges hands on sentences that are weight-based. Obama directed Holder not to go after pot in states that made it legal.

There's more but you'll just ignore it.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-23 04:00 PM | Reply

#18 www.youtube.com

Shell Game in Progress Snoofy. Then what happened?

#19 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-23 04:50 PM | Reply

Private prisons, the drug war, civil asset forfeiture, all TERRIBLE things that both parties have participated in, but dems have been moving in a better direction on them. Repubs want to keep going in a worse direction.

Sounds like you like smoke blown up your a__.....

Care to prove that either side actually did something effective to do way with any of that? It's a shell game Speaks, they just move stuff around to appear to make progress.It's stupidity to ignore it.

#17 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

I just told you the difference. I gave you the facts. And your response: "nuh uh!"

From this point out, your ignorance isn't my problem, it's your own choice.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

*Then what happened?"

Then Trump and Sessions undid what Obama and Holder did.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-23 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 Oh so nothing effective, ok....

#20 The only facts that you presented was one we agreed on. Both parties are to blame for it, point fingers at one side and not the other if you want, doesn't change they both played a part.

#22 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-23 06:31 PM | Reply

#20 The only facts that you presented was one we agreed on. Both parties are to blame for it, point fingers at one side and not the other if you want, doesn't change they both played a part.

#22 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

I acknowledged they both played a part. Then I presented facts about dems making new efforts in a better direction, and repubs working to stop those efforts.

You want to ignore the last part and focus on the first part, because you want to live in an imaginary world where dems are just as bad as repubs.

Again, false equivalence is all repubs have any more.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 06:46 PM | Reply

"#21 Oh so nothing effective, ok...."

Where'd you get the notion that sentencing guidelines have no effect?
Not in this reality.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-23 07:06 PM | Reply

"Then I presented facts about dems making new efforts in a better direction, and repubs working to stop those efforts."

LOL. hardly.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 07:15 PM | Reply

LOL. hardly.

#25 | Posted by eberly

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

You can bring facts to a republican, but you can't make them listen.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 07:20 PM | Reply

You can claim you invented water but you're still a douchebag.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 07:23 PM | Reply

You can claim you invented water but you're still a douchebag.

#27 | Posted by eberly

Your frequent need to resort to personal attacks only underlines your inability to make a winning argument.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 07:27 PM | Reply

You can bring facts to a republican, but you can't make them listen.
#26 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

There's a big assumption that the speaker knows what a fact is and what it means.

#29 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 07:46 PM | Reply

Your frequent need to resort to personal attacks only underlines your inability to make a winning argument.

#28 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You use personal attacks often. Just sayin'

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 07:53 PM | Reply

"Your frequent need to resort to personal attacks "

Lemme guess.....you don't consider your juvenile retort I responded to as a personal attack, right?

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 08:04 PM | Reply

Speak, clean up your own act before you cry about mine.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 08:04 PM | Reply

You use personal attacks often. Just sayin'

#30 | Posted by JeffJ

I use a lot of attacks against abstract morons.

For example: If you think climate change is a hoax, you're a moron.

You'll rarely find me simply insulting someone in place of a legitimate rebuttal of their argument.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 08:16 PM | Reply

Lemme guess.....you don't consider your juvenile retort I responded to as a personal attack, right?

#31 | Posted by eberly

It wasn't. Simple statement of facts again.

Just as I'd provided facts about elements of systemic injustice that dems were turning in the right direction, and repubs were fighting to turn in the wrong direction.

Instead of an argument against that point, all you had was personal attacks.

But if you have examples of republicans engaging in positive criminal justice reform i'd LOVE to hear them.

If you don't, I expect more name calling and dodging.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 08:20 PM | Reply

Looking Back: President Obama's Historic Efforts to Roll Back the Drug War and Tackle Mass Incarceration
www.drugpolicy.org

But I guess he didn't do enough, so that's the same as doing nothing, for some of you.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-23 08:21 PM | Reply

I use a lot of attacks against abstract morons.

So when I say all liberals are morons, liberals shouldn't take it as a personal attack.

I feel much better now.

#36 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 08:25 PM | Reply

But if you have examples of republicans engaging in positive criminal justice reform i'd LOVE to hear them.

Rand Paul, Tim Walberg bring forfeiture reform to the 115th Congress thehill.com

Civil asset forfeiture battle pits bipartisan coalition against police unions -- and the White House www.dallasnews.com

#37 | Posted by et_al at 2017-10-23 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So when I say all liberals are morons, liberals shouldn't take it as a personal attack.

#36 | Posted by Ray

The guy who says NO GOVERNMENT is the solution to our problems will be laughed at by everyone, morons included.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 08:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"I feel much better now." - #36 | Posted by Raystradamus at 2017-10-23 08:25 PM

"I masurbate every time you call me Raystradamus." - #24 | Posted by Raystradamus at 2017-09-16 10:00 PM
I'm sure you're ecstatic now, Raystradamus.

#39 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 08:33 PM | Reply

The guy who says NO GOVERNMENT is the solution to our problems will be laughed at by everyone, morons included.
#38 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I would argue that anyone who believes in government rule by force of arms is a useful idiot.

I can accept being laughed at by morons.

#40 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's Hans scratching his balls again.

#41 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 08:41 PM | Reply

There's Hans scratching his balls again.

#42 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 08:41 PM | Reply

That war on drugs is working great! Just like the war on poverty. The libs love wars that do nothing and cost a lot of money and employ large amounts of Government employees.

#43 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 08:44 PM | Reply

34

Funny flag. You really deserve it

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 08:45 PM | Reply

"You'll frequently find me simply insulting someone in place of a legitimate rebuttal of their argument."

FT

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 08:46 PM | Reply

That war on drugs is working great! Just like the war on poverty. The libs love wars that do nothing and cost a lot of money and employ large amounts of Government employees.

#43 | Posted by Federalist

Obama took steps to weaken the drug war. Trump and Sessions are taking steps to strengthen it. Blue states are legalizing left and right. If ending the drug war is your priority, you're voting for the wrong party.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 08:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We are from the Government and we are here to help. LOL

#47 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 08:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Funny flag. You really deserve it

#44 | Posted by eberly

We need a new flag for when someone clearly can't muster a decent retort.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 08:47 PM | Reply

48

We'll call it "speakstupid"

Great idea.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 08:48 PM | Reply

I would argue that anyone who believes in government rule by force of arms is a useful idiot.

I can accept being laughed at by morons.

#40 | Posted by Ray

Unless you think murderers should be free to walk among us and slaughter at will, you believe in government rule by force too.

Is that what you're advocating?

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 08:48 PM | Reply

That war on drugs is working great! Just like the war on poverty.

Ain't the truth. Just about every government program excerbates the problems promoted to solve.

War on Terror = more terrorists
War on Poverty = more poverty
War on drugs = more drugs
War on drug prices = higher drug prices.
War on college tuition = higher college tuition

Etc. etc.

#51 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
The drug law has been going on since Kennedy was President.
You want to make a change? Secure our borders.

#52 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 08:49 PM | Reply

"There's Hans scratching his balls again." - #41 | Posted by Raystradamus at 2017-10-23 08:41 PM

I'm not the one claiming self-satisfaction, Raystradamus.

That would be you.

#53 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 08:49 PM | Reply

You'll rarely find me simply insulting someone in place of a legitimate rebuttal of their argument.

#33 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It depends on the subject.

If it's progressive "solutions" to man-made carbon emissions the insults fly early and often and frequently without a legitimate rebuttal - many of the rejoinders are: "You're just a brainwashed idiot."

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 08:49 PM | Reply

"The drug law has been going on since Kennedy was President." - #52 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 08:49 PM

Clearly demonstrating you have zero clue as to history.

#55 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 08:50 PM | Reply

Unless you think murderers should be free to walk among us and slaughter at will, you believe in government rule by force too.

Is that what you're advocating?

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
I have never seen a law stop a murder. Laws deal with the result. Proper parenting stops murders.

#56 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 08:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This isn't a complaint about Democrats but Bill Clinton escalated the war in drugs immensely.

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 08:52 PM | Reply

Unless you think murderers should be free to walk among us and slaughter at will, you believe in government rule by force too.

Glad you brought that up. What we have now is a system of police and military that kill at will. They have a veritable license to kill.

#58 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 08:52 PM | Reply

Seriously Hans.

Your posts are really stupid. If you have an IQ above 80, I would never know it.

#59 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How many times did that moronic florida troll post that "raystradamus" link so far?

#60 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-23 08:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The drug law has been going on since Kennedy was President.
You want to make a change? Secure our borders.

#52 | Posted by Federalist

haha because a big wall is going to stop drugs from entering the country or stop people from wanting them? You are delusional.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:02 PM | Reply

"Your posts are really stupid." - #59 | Posted by Raystradamus at 2017-10-23 08:57 PM

So says the author of this gem:

"Smallpox disappeared on its own. There is more it than what I can recall at this time." - #159 | Posted by Raystradamus at 2017-06-26 10:10 PM

#62 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:02 PM | Reply

I have never seen a law stop a murder. Laws deal with the result. Proper parenting stops murders.

#56 | Posted by Federalist

The threat of jail prevents countless crimes.

Jesus christ you really have a problem with the most basic logic don't you?

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:03 PM | Reply

"This isn't a complaint about Democrats but Bill Clinton escalated the war in drugs immensely."

Bill and Congress both.

Not to be left out, the decade prior, the Supreme Court decided there was a drug epidemic, and the appropriate response was increased police powers, which is just nonsense. Because an epidemic is a medical event, not a law enforcement event. But then, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

The whole government is complicit in the Drug War. Obama was the one faint glimmer of hope in the past forty years.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-23 09:04 PM | Reply

This isn't a complaint about Democrats but Bill Clinton escalated the war in drugs immensely.

#57 | Posted by eberly

Yeah 20 years ago. And recently dems have been abandoning that approach en masse, while repubs head in the wrong direction. As usual, repubs will take decades to admit what dems already know.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:04 PM | Reply

#62 | POSTED BY HANS

Smallpox WAS disappearing on its own. The vaccine was stopped because it was causing smallpox.

Of course you believe whatever -------- they tell you.

#66 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:06 PM | Reply

It depends on the subject.

If it's progressive "solutions" to man-made carbon emissions the insults fly early and often and frequently without a legitimate rebuttal - many of the rejoinders are: "You're just a brainwashed idiot."

#54 | Posted by JeffJ

Those insults arrive after dozens of posts or they're accompanied by links and supported arguments.

And it's hardly even an insult. Anyone who denies climate change is in fact a brainwashed idiot.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:06 PM | Reply

""Your posts are really stupid." - #59 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 08:57 PM

So says the author of this latest gem:

"Smallpox WAS disappearing on its own. The vaccine was stopped because it was causing smallpox." - #66 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:06 PM

#68 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:09 PM | Reply

Hans

Because you are stupid, I can't convince you you are stupid.

I could direct you to sources outside the mainstream, but it would offend you.

#69 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:13 PM | Reply

"Smallpox WAS disappearing on its own. The vaccine was stopped because it was causing smallpox." - #66 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:06 PM

Smallpox has been recorded in the human population for over 3,000 years. To put that in perspective the city of Rome was founded just shy of 3,000 years ago in 753 BC. The last natural case of smallpox occurred in Somalia in 1977, and since then there have only ever been accidental exposures to smallpox in a laboratory setting.

Until its eradication in 1979, smallpox was "one of the world's most feared diseases," and rightly so. The disease has a relatively high fatality rate of 30% percent.

The process of eradicating smallpox was long and complicated, requiring the coordinated efforts of people around the globe. Not every disease can be eradicated; it just so happened that smallpox has many characteristics that lend ease to eradication. The incubation period, the time between initial infection and visible symptoms, is relatively short, which prevents the disease from spreading undetected. The symptoms are also very distinctive, allowing for easy identification of smallpox patients. The World Health Organization put in place a "ring vaccination" method whereby vaccines weren't given only to infected people, but also to anyone who may have been exposed to an infected person. "Ring vaccination" effectively hindered the mass spread of smallpox since officials were able to isolate and treat affected areas early. In remote areas, World Health Organization workers tracked down infected persons by showing locals pictures of people with smallpox symptoms and asking if they had seen anyone with them.

source

Oops.

#70 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#70 | POSTED BY HANS

You'll always be a dimwit. You're citing mainstream sources.

#71 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:15 PM | Reply

"You're citing mainstream sources." - #71 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:15 PM

I'm citing nature.com.

You're just too stupid to know that.

Oops.

#72 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm citing nature.com.
You're just too stupid to know that.

Nature is a mainstream source, genius.

#73 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:18 PM | Reply

"You're citing mainstream sources." - #71 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:15 PM

And you've cited nothing but the voices in your head.

But you're just too stupid to know that.

Oops.

#74 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Nature is a mainstream source..." - #73 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:18 PM

Anything that doesn't match the voices in your head is a "mainstream" source.

Meanwhile, you've cited nothing.

But you're just too stupid to know that.

Oops.

#75 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:21 PM | Reply

I have better things to do than to argue with a moron.

#76 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have better things to do than to argue with a moron." - #76 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:23 PM

The voices in your head finally told you to give it up.

Wise move, idiot.

Meanwhile...

The global eradication of smallpox
And...
Epidemiologist Who Helped Eradicate Smallpox Dies
Oops.

#77 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:27 PM | Reply

#76 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 09:23 PM

So, where are your citations, ray?

Meanwhile, here are some more...

The World Health Organization Smallpox Eradication Programme

Smallpox is the only major human disease to have been eradicated.

And...
Global Smallpox Eradication
Oops...

#78 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:32 PM | Reply

Anyone who smokes weed and voted for trump is a fool.
#13 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Or Obama, the second time.

#79 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-23 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Or Obama, the second time." - #79 | Posted by self-admitted liar and faux liberal at 2017-10-23 09:33 PM

Apparently, you preferred Romney and Ryan.

Figures.

#80 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:35 PM | Reply

#55 | Posted by Hans
The attorney general went after the Mafia and the drug trade.
Try to keep up.
Robert F. Kennedy.

#81 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 09:37 PM | Reply

"Try to keep up." - #81 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 09:37 PM

Harry J. Anslinger

Try to keep up.

Oops.

#82 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:39 PM | Reply

The threat of jail prevents countless crimes.

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
Working great with drugs!
Nice try.

#83 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 09:39 PM | Reply

Anything that doesn't match the voices in your head is a "mainstream" source.

Meanwhile, you've cited nothing.

But you're just too stupid to know that.

Oops.

#75 | Posted by Hans
Just because you hear voices dosen't mean everyone does.

#84 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 09:40 PM | Reply

Those insults arrive after dozens of posts or they're accompanied by links and supported arguments.
And it's hardly even an insult. Anyone who denies climate change is in fact a brainwashed idiot.

#67 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I was referring to the progressive solutions proposed to deal with a warming globe. Anytime any challenge is issued to left-wing orthodoxy on that subject you immediately and always castigate it as polluter talking-points being spewed by brainwashed idiot sheep. Those insults come early and preemptively.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 09:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Just because you hear voices dosen't mean everyone does." - #84 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 09:40 PM

You believe that smallpox was disappearing on its own?

If so, you're hearing the same voices in your head as ray.

Oops.

#86 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:42 PM | Reply

Ray,

A couple of sources to substantiate your smallpox claim would be nice to have.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 09:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
The wall is only part of it. Deport illegals, stop Western Union transfer for illegals and stop all social services for illegals.

#88 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 09:43 PM | Reply

#86 | Posted by Hans
Did I mention smallpox?
The thread is about drug problems.
Try to have your voices stay on topic.

#89 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 09:45 PM | Reply

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
The wall is only part of it. Deport illegals, stop Western Union transfer for illegals and stop all social services for illegals.

#88 | Posted by Federalist

How does that stop the drug war?

Are you racist enough to think that drugs come from minorities?

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:46 PM | Reply

"A couple of sources to substantiate your smallpox claim would be nice to have." - #87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 09:43 PM

Chances are, they would be people like Wakefield, NaturalNews dot com, Dr. Weil, Dr. Sears, globalresearch dot ca, HealthImpactNews dot com, and Sherri Tenpenny.

Discredited charlatans.

Which is why he doesn't provide sources.

#91 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:50 PM | Reply

A couple of sources to substantiate your smallpox claim would be nice to have.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ

You're asking for a mature intellectual response from someone who just said police don't stop murders and we'd be better off without government of any sort.

We'd all be better off just ignoring this fool.

There's left wingnuts, there's right wingnuts, and then there's ray.

It's just so hard to ignore him because he's such low hanging fruit. There's something so tempting about a moron who makes obviously widely inaccurate declarations while claiming to see the truth that no one else can see.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:51 PM | Reply

--Are you racist enough to think that drugs come from minorities?

acidmuncher.files.wordpress.com

#93 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-23 09:51 PM | Reply

"Did I mention smallpox?" - #89 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-23 09:45 PM

Context is apparently above your intellectual level.

If you can't follow it, do yourself a favor and don't comment.

You're welcome.

Or are you just butt hurt that I impeached your absurd comment that the drug was "has been going on since Kennedy was President"?

#94 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:53 PM | Reply

I was referring to the progressive solutions proposed to deal with a warming globe. Anytime any challenge is issued to left-wing orthodoxy on that subject you immediately and always castigate it as polluter talking-points being spewed by brainwashed idiot sheep. Those insults come early and preemptively.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ

Because your polluter propaganda comes early and often. You spew whatever exxon's latest argument is, no matter how many of their previous arguments have been abandoned as factually untrue.

Which is all part of the polluter's con - keep injecting doubt so that people like you argue we shouldn't do anything until we know everything about everything.

#95 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jeff, that stupid ------------ will never get it.

You're wasting your time.

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 09:54 PM | Reply

--Are you racist enough to think that drugs come from minorities?

acidmuncher.files.wordpress.com

#93 | Posted by nullifidian

He said to win the drug war we have to get rid of illegals. You sure you want to jump in on his side of this one?

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jeff, that stupid ------------ will never get it.

You're wasting your time.

#96 | Posted by eberly

The dumber eberly feels, the meaner his insults get.

#98 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-23 09:56 PM | Reply

"...that stupid ------------ will never get it." - #96 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 09:54 PM

That could be the new Ashton stamp.

#99 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-23 09:56 PM | Reply

--I was referring to the progressive solutions proposed to deal with a warming globe.

No one knows the extent of the warming by the end of the century. The models and forecasts are all over the map. The "solutions" depend upon whether one advocates the most extreme forecast or the mildest forecast for MMGW And that makes most of these debates over CGW pointless..

#100 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-23 10:02 PM | Reply

You define "polluter propaganda" as anything you disagree with.

Get over yourself.

#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 10:05 PM | Reply

#87 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

whale.to

whale.to

https://www.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895/ref=sr_1_1? s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1508810795&sr=1-1&keywords=dissolving+illusions+by+suzanne+humphries

www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

#102 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 10:07 PM | Reply

"I could direct you to sources outside the mainstream"

The same ones which claim 90% of cancers cure themselves?

And it turns out the trick is easy! Simply redefine "cancer" as any and all pre-cancerous cells!!! IOW, if you're over 5 years old, you too can claim to be a "cancer survivor"!

Ray is not only a gullible idiot, his medical "advice" is downright dangerous.

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-23 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#102

Ooooh, look at that! Ray linked to books, written by other kooks. Why if that's not peer-reviewed proof, WHAT IS???

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-23 10:11 PM | Reply

"...his medical "advice" is downright dangerous."

Only if someone takes it.

#105 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-23 10:15 PM | Reply

Ray is not only a gullible idiot, his medical "advice" is downright dangerous.
#103 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The same ones which claim 90% of cancers cure themselves?

It's biologically impossible for mainstream toxic medicines to cure anything. They are designed to keep you chronically sick. That's why the drug industry is so profitable.

It's your life, sucker.

#106 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 10:15 PM | Reply

#102 | POSTED BY RAY

Thank you for the citations.

#107 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 10:21 PM | Reply

"It's biologically impossible for mainstream toxic medicines to cure anything."

Stupid is as stupid does.

"It's your life, sucker."

And I've followed the science, not the kooks.

#108 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-23 10:23 PM | Reply

"Thank you for the citations."

What citations? Those were links to books written by other idiots.

Were there ANY peer-reviewed science articles linked? NO?

Might as well link to books proving BigFoot. Sorry...citations. Sheesh.

#109 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-23 10:24 PM | Reply

"Only if someone takes it."

Hopefully no one is that stupid, but telling folks not to go to the doctor as a general default, and that 90% of cancers cure themselves, is as dangerous as those idiots who rail against vaccines. All it takes is a few equally gullible morons to put the rest of us in actual danger.

#110 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-23 10:28 PM | Reply

And I've followed the science, not the kooks.
#108 | POSTED BY DANFORT

I just cited a biological fact. It is impossible for poisons to cure disease.

Do you grasp what poison is?

Every one has toxic side effects well documented in the literature.

#111 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 10:28 PM | Reply

"It's biologically impossible for mainstream toxic medicines to cure anything. "

Do you state this as a certified biologist, or a certified kook?

"I just cited a biological fact. It is impossible for poisons to cure disease."

It's possible for the poison to kill the cause, without killing the host. The fact it doesn't "cure" the disease is word-parsing.

"Do you grasp what poison is?"

I certainly do. Are you actually so stupid as to be suggesting ALL medicines are poison?

#112 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-23 10:32 PM | Reply

Were there ANY peer-reviewed science articles linked? NO?

They all subscrbe to the same belief system.
You have to think for yourself.
You have to grasp the significance of being administered poison.

#113 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 10:32 PM | Reply

Are you actually so stupid as to be suggesting ALL medicines are poison?
#112 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Name one without toxic side effects.

It's possible for the poison to kill the cause, without killing the host.

No. Because almost all diseases are dietary related and a consquence of a buildup of toxins.

#114 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 10:37 PM | Reply

Why do I get the feeling the ray sells or takes colloidal silver?

#115 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-10-23 10:49 PM | Reply

"It is impossible for poisons to cure disease."

A low dose poison that is fatal to an unwanted microorganism but only harmful to you can cure disease.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-23 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I was referring to the progressive solutions proposed to deal with a warming globe. "

Enough about that.

What are the right-wing solutions proposed to deal with a warming globe, JeffJ?

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-23 11:06 PM | Reply

"Name one without toxic side effects."

Why? Your definition of "toxic" comes from the same dictionary that defines pre-cancerous cells as "cancer".

#118 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-23 11:14 PM | Reply

"It is impossible for poisons to cure disease."

That is --------.

Pollution is a poison.

Humans are a disease.

Pollution can kill humans.

Poison can cure disease.

#119 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-23 11:41 PM | Reply

What are the right-wing solutions proposed to deal with a warming globe, JeffJ?

#117 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Investments in new energy R&D.

Planning to take advantage of the positive aspects of a warmer planet.

Taking measures to cope with the negative aspects of a warmer planet.

Focusing economic policy on wealth creation which makes the points i just listed more affordable.

Some of the most commonsense proposals I've seen can be found here:

http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com

This is a quick read:

www.amazon.com

#120 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 11:41 PM | Reply

They all subscrbe to the same belief system.

So you're saying it comes down to belief?

Not exactly scientific. And yet RCADE still allows you to spout such dangerous, if not disastrous, drivel.

Mark against the DR as well as you, I suppose.

#121 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-23 11:42 PM | Reply

Investments in new energy R&D.

Is that true? When B. Hussein attempted that, he was ridiculed by the Right for supporting unproven technologies by ignoring the R&D aspect to B. Hussein's investment.

#122 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-23 11:44 PM | Reply

#122

Obama was fast-tracking loans to cronies peddling existing, poor-performing technologies.

#123 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 11:50 PM | Reply

Cronies? Like who?

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 12:18 AM | Reply

"Some of the most commonsense proposals I've seen can be found here:"

Proposals?
Those are a dime a dozen.
What have right-wingers actually done about global warming?
Anything?

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 12:20 AM | Reply

#124

Solyndra

#125 you asked a question and I answered it.

#126 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 12:21 AM | Reply

Who is Obama's crony at Solyndra?

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 12:27 AM | Reply

"What have right-wingers actually done about global warming?"

One of the wrote a book, as best I can tell.
No legislation has even been proposed, correct?
You understand I'm asking for actual action, right?
Is there any, yes or no?

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 12:28 AM | Reply

"Investments in new energy R&D."

Which bills in the House and Senate are you referring to, or is that not actually a thing that's happened?

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 12:29 AM | Reply

"Planning to take advantage of the positive aspects of a warmer planet."

Which planning group(s) are working on this, and who is on them?

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 12:29 AM | Reply

"Taking measures to cope with the negative aspects of a warmer planet."

Which measures have been taken, and which only stand as proposals yet to be enacted, and what are the bill numbers?

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 12:30 AM | Reply

"Focusing economic policy on wealth creation which makes the points i just listed more affordable."

That's not a response to the question, unless you've got some wealth creation strategies in which the aforementioned wealth is earmarked to mitigate global warming, which you don't.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 12:32 AM | Reply

Worth asking Snoofy's questions again:

"Who is Obama's crony at Solyndra?"

Since you brought it up.

#133 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-24 12:46 AM | Reply

#133

Obama's entire energy policy was about preferential treatment to "green energy" producers.

He and his party got a LOT of political support and donations from the various groups who wanted to see these policies implemented.

#134 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 12:58 AM | Reply

Obama was fast-tracking loans to cronies peddling existing, poor-performing technologies.

#123 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-23 11:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your rubbish posting that Wind and Solar are ineffective is duly noted but still wrong nonetheless.

#135 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-24 01:00 AM | Reply

"Obama's entire energy policy was about preferential treatment to "green energy" producers. "

I don't think you know what "entire" means.

"He and his party got a LOT of political support and donations from the various groups who wanted to see these policies implemented."

Which begs the question: Who is Obama's crony at Solyndra?

#136 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-24 01:02 AM | Reply

I don't think you know what "entire" means.

Sure I do. His "entire" energy policy was preferential toward green energy and punitive toward carbon-based energy.

Which begs the question: Who is Obama's crony at Solyndra?

#136 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

He picked winners and losers. In this case, he lavished preferential treatment to one industry over another. The entire industry was his crony - from the environmental lobbyists, to hucksters selling carbon offsets, to producers of green energy.

If you are looking for an individual crony, Jeffrey Immelt is the most obvious.

#137 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:06 AM | Reply

"Obama's entire energy policy was about preferential treatment to "green energy" producers. "

I guess you missed that whole Deepwater Horizon thing.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 01:07 AM | Reply

"The entire industry was his crony"

You're a ------- moron. Obama isn't even an energy guy.

Grow up.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 01:08 AM | Reply

"He and his party got a LOT of political support and donations from the various groups who wanted to see these policies implemented."

That's how it works.
You like it that way.
Remember Citizens United?

You're incapable of speaking cogently and without negative hyperbole about Obama, or his policies.
Then you put on rose colored glasses for anything a Republican does.
I'm surprised you aren't tired of your own -------- by now, honestly.

#140 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 01:11 AM | Reply

#139

Obviously your beef is with my use of the word "crony". I've explained what I meant by it here:

His "entire" energy policy was preferential toward green energy and punitive toward carbon-based energy.

If "crony" is inaccurate, pick another term that fits that definition.

#141 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:12 AM | Reply

You're incapable of speaking cogently and without negative hyperbole about Obama, or his policies.
Then you put on rose colored glasses for anything a Republican does.
I'm surprised you aren't tired of your own -------- by now, honestly.

#140 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

That's stupid and so are you.

#142 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:13 AM | Reply

Should say, "anything a Republican does or doesn't do."

Like the things you said right-wingers are doing about global warming

Which, after careful review, was "Somebody wrote a book."

Seriously you're a half-wit.

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 01:14 AM | Reply

Also, look in the fricking mirror. What you accused me of is exactly what you do on a constant basis when it pertains to policies you are opposed to. Seriously, grow up.

#144 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:15 AM | Reply

"What you accused me of is exactly what you do on a constant basis when it pertains to policies you are opposed to."

That's a lie too!
You just can't help yourself.
Here's what Obama did with respect to energy policy: Exactly what he campaigned on.
Including, since you seem to have forgotten, expanded deep water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 01:17 AM | Reply

"What you accused me of is exactly what you do on a constant basis when it pertains to policies you are opposed to. "

--------, I don't find some book on Amazon and try to pass it off as right-wing action, when there is no action, because right-wingers don't even believe in global warming.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 01:19 AM | Reply

"Obviously your beef is with my use of the word "crony."

Actually my beef is the thing that encompass that.
But your inability to actually name a specific crony is indicative of the pathology, where you make unsubstantiated claims, then try to re-define what you were saying when you get called on your --------.

You do realize most of what you're saying is --------, right?
Your answer about right-wing global warming was --------, you can acknowledge that there was no policy, no action, no nothing in your response, right? Can you do that?

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 01:23 AM | Reply

In terms of actual policy, right-wingers (Republicans) have done very little in regards to addressing global warming. The only thing they've done, with much Dem support, was push ethanol.

Left-wingers, push policies that will, at best, have a negligible effect on the rate of warming but will be disastrously expensive and harm the poor and middle class the most.

#148 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:31 AM | Reply

Including, since you seem to have forgotten, expanded deep water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

#145 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

He also slowed to a crawl just about ALL other expansions in drilling.

#149 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:32 AM | Reply

#147 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Calm down.

You get off on weird tangents. I briefly lost my connectivity and a clarifying post was delayed until after I restarted my Mac. Relax.

#150 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:33 AM | Reply

"What you accused me of is exactly what you do on a constant basis when it pertains to policies you are opposed to. "
----
--------, I don't find some book on Amazon and try to pass it off as right-wing action, when there is no action, because right-wingers don't even believe in global warming.

#146 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This is what I was referring to:

You're incapable of speaking cogently and without negative hyperbole about Obama, or his policies....

#140 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#151 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:36 AM | Reply

But your inability to actually name a specific crony

I did that with #137.

#152 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:37 AM | Reply

that's what i thought. noone can answer #2.
...or #1 for that matter.

#153 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-10-24 01:39 AM | Reply

#148 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Solar does neither.

Be more specific or sign your own death warrant. (jest...all in jest)

#154 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-24 01:40 AM | Reply

that's what i thought. noone can answer #2.
...or #1 for that matter.

#153 | POSTED BY ICHIRO

#2 is crap and #1 is piss :-)

#155 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:40 AM | Reply

Beach,

Solar is niche energy that works in very limited applications.

#156 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:42 AM | Reply

Solar is niche energy that works in very limited applications.
#156 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Are you ignoring it's potential? You are the one touting conservative's interest in financing R&D, are you not?

Solar is a massive success in Southwest. Doesn't mean it's a panacea, but definitely the answer to some areas just as thermal is an answer for Iceland or hamster (see 'human') wheels are an answer for North Korea (see what I did there)?

#157 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-24 01:48 AM | Reply

Are you ignoring it's potential?

No.

Given that the sun is such an enormous source of energy, of course the potential is there. Existing technology is underwhelming and until that radically changes solar will be a bit-player in the energy market.

#158 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:51 AM | Reply

Solar is niche energy that works in very limited applications.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:42 AM | Reply

time.com

Renewable Energy Continues to Beat Fossil Fuels

www.scientificamerican.com

Wind and Solar Growth Outpace Gas

More than half of electricity generation capacity added to the U.S. grid in 2016 came from renewable resources

www.bloomberg.com

Wind and Solar Are Crushing Fossil Fuels
Record clean energy investment outpaces gas and coal 2 to 1.

MY WORDS FOLLOW

JeffJ's arguments against Solar and Wind.

www.youtube.com

#159 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-24 01:51 AM | Reply

Wind and Solar Growth Outpace Gas

Do you think that proves a point?

Wind and solar occupy such a small percentage of total energy output in this country that a doubling of their use wouldn't even dent the usage of fossil fuels used to power the global economy.

Jesus.

At least understand what it is you are hyping. Get back to me when wind and solar comprise 20% of energy production; hopefully we will both still be alive if/when that happens.

#160 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:56 AM | Reply

At least understand what it is you are hyping. Get back to me when wind and solar comprise 20% of energy production; hopefully we will both still be alive if/when that happens.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:56 AM | Reply

www.sciencealert.com

The World's on Track to Get 26% of Its Power From Renewables by 2020

#planetgoals
FIONA MACDONALD
9 OCT 2015

It's no secret that renewable energy sources such as solar and wind are getting cheaper and more efficient by the day, and as a result, countries around the world are increasingly beginning to embrace the technology. In fact, there's now more capacity for renewable energy being added each year than coal, natural gas, and oil combined, which is a really huge deal.

Even better, a new report by the International Energy Agency (IEA) suggests that this trend isn't going to slow down any time soon. Taking into account projections for the global economy, energy market and fossil fuel prices over the next five years, the study predicts that the planet will get 26 percent - more than a quarter! - of its energy from renewable sources by 2020.

www.youtube.com

#161 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-24 02:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.zmescience.com

According to the Renewables Global Status Report (GSR) from REN21, roughly a fifth of the world's electrical power production now comes from renewable sources. To be more precise, in 2013 renewable energy accounted for 22% of the global energy mix, up from 21% in 2012 and 18% in 2007.

The International Energy Agency says renewable energy could make up over a quarter of global electricity generation by 2020 thanks to the rapid deployment of wind and solar energy, as well as new hydro. A report by Frankfurt School UNEP Centre and Bloomberg New Energy Finance says carbon-free renewable power plants in 2014 surpassed 100,000 megawatts of capacity for the first time. A year before, in 2013, it seems like interest in renewable energy surpassed conventional energy sources for the first time as 143 gigawatts of renewable electricity capacity were added, compared with 141 gigawatts in new plants that burn fossil fuels.

#162 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-24 02:08 AM | Reply

Laura,

The problem with #161 is that it does't mention nuclear power at all.

#163 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 02:10 AM | Reply

The problem with #161 is that it does't mention nuclear power at all.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 02:10 AM | Reply

Nuclear power isn't renewable. OOPSIE DAISY and it's highly dangerous to boot.

Nuclear power proposed as renewable energy. ... The most common fuel used in conventional nuclear fission power stations, uranium-235 is "non-renewable" according to the Energy Information Administration, the organization however is silent on the recycled MOX fuel.

#164 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-24 02:16 AM | Reply

Laura,

The problem with #161 is that it does't mention nuclear power at all.

#163 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 02:10 AM | Reply | Flag

BTW The trouble with this statement it has NOTHING to do with your criterion you stated.

At least understand what it is you are hyping. Get back to me when wind and solar comprise 20% of energy production; hopefully we will both still be alive if/when that happens.

#160 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 01:56 AM | Reply | Fl

#165 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-24 02:23 AM | Reply

BTW The trouble with this statement it has NOTHING to do with your criterion you stated.

I was trying to figure out where nuclear fell on the chart of 'renewables' vs 'non-renewables'.

Your source was vague and generalized.

i was looking for specifics.

#166 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 02:40 AM | Reply

There are 449 nuclear power plants currently in operation (and growing). There have been three itsy, bitsy problems. Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima (but that was a triple melt-down). So let's say 5 meltdowns per 449 reactors, or a 1.11% chance of failure.

As a mutant, I find that less than acceptable. Radiation will only increase our numbers, as humanity dies out. What we need to do is build less reliable, cheaper reactors. Maybe from China.

#167 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-24 02:43 AM | Reply

i was looking for specifics.
#166 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Hamster wheels, JEFF. Just like I said.

#168 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-24 02:44 AM | Reply

BTW The trouble with this statement it has NOTHING to do with your criterion you stated.

I was trying to figure out where nuclear fell on the chart of 'renewables' vs 'non-renewables'.

Your source was vague and generalized.

i was looking for specifics.

#166 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 02:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

No you weren't. Your criterion was quite specific Wind and Solar compromising 20% of total energy production. They do and now you want to move the goalposts. Funny dat be.

#169 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-24 02:44 AM | Reply

Laura,

Natural gas = 33.8%
Coal = 30.4%
Nuclear = 19.7%
Renewables (total) = 14.9%
Hydropower = 6.5%
Wind = 5.6%
Biomass = 1.5%
Solar = 0.9%
Geothermal = 0.4%
Petroleum = 0.6%
Other gases = 0.3%
Other nonrenewable sources = 0.3%
Pumped storage hydroelectricity = -0.2%4

www.eia.gov

The renewable number was higher than I expected.

#170 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 02:48 AM | Reply

Nuclear power plants provided 11% of the world's electricity production in 2014.

In 2017, wind was 8% in America, solar 2%.

But what does this have to do with America's drug problem?

Oh, that's right, statistics are like drugs. Well, at least to 33.4% of the population.

#171 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-24 02:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#170 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

My point was that you're giving credit to conservatives for supporting and touting R&D all the while --------- renewables industries supported by the left and already established, which is the EXACT R&D we should be supporting now that it is beholden to the free market.

My friend works for an algae bio-fuel company that was recently bought out by a more capable coporation. She and coworkers are pissed because of increased micromanagement but also encouraged the tech might finally take off with larger coffers available.

#172 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-24 03:04 AM | Reply

Michigan definitely has a drug problem.

I'm out.

#173 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2017-10-24 11:18 AM | Reply

He also slowed to a crawl just about ALL other expansions in drilling.

#149 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-10-24 01:32 AM | REPLY

money.cnn.com

The U.S. was pumping just 5.1 million barrels per day when Obama took office in January 2009, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
Fast forward to April and the U.S. produced 8.9 million barrels per day. That's an incredible 74% increase. In fact, in 2015, the U.S. pumped the most oil in 43 years.
The U.S. is now the world's No. 1 petroleum producer when you count not just crude but also liquified natural gas. If you limit the ranking to just crude oil, the U.S. still comes in No. 3, just narrowly behind Russia and Saudi Arabia.

#174 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-24 12:15 PM | Reply

#174

Thank horizontal drilling for that. As for natural gas, thank fracking (2 things Obama was unable to stop). The land-lease approval process was slowed to a crawl under Obama. Deliberately. The increase in production was in spite of Obama, not because of him.

#175 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-24 12:53 PM | Reply

If this article were truthful, it would acknowledge the #1 single most abused drugs in all 50 States in America are prescription medications such as Vicodin, Xanax, Oxycodone, and 'sedatives' in general. White middle class America is addicted to anti-anxiety medication.

#176 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-24 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#176 see post #4 at the way beginning....

Plus I don't think the Federal Gov will mess with Vicodin, Xanax, Oxycodone, and 'sedatives' in general. A zoned out populace is a happy populace.

#177 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-24 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When I was in college I knew a girl who had seemingly unlimited access to Xanax (she had issues). They really seemed to do nothing for me. Then one day, I ate a bunch of the little bastards and drank a six pack. Blacked out for the entirety of Apocalypse Now then went to a bar and shot an eight on the basketball machine. My friend had the high score on that machine and shot a Xanax fueled zero. Only time I ever beat him. The whole time we both thought everything was happening in slow motion. The moral? Take Valium instead.

#178 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-24 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

whale.to - #102 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 10:07 PM

Whale.to is a website run by English pig farmer John Scudamore.[1] Scudamore has a long history of trying to insert links to his website on Wikipedia under the username Whaleto, but a few years ago this was put to an end when someone added whale.to to a spam block list. This means no one can link to it in any Wikipedia article, which led to Scudamore whining about being suppressed (obviously) by the "Church of Satan."[2] It is a notorious dumping ground for all things pseudoscientific... as well as a few other things. Like the complete text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, documentations of Illuminati mind control plots, and articles about the Catholic world conspiracy.[3] It contains every (and we do mean every) half-baked pseudoscientific theory ever concocted.

Shockingly, it was used as a source by the plaintiffs in the Autism omnibus trial, and it has seen increasing use as a "source" by anti-vaccinationists and propagators of the vaccine-autism "connection" (which should be a clue right there to the validity of their claims).

source

Oops.

amazon.com - #102 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 10:07 PM

Andreas Moritz is a cancer quack

Note that he has absolutely no credentials or expertise in medicine; he calls himself a "medical intuitive". Yet he is dispensing dangerous, defeatist advice on how to manage cancer, such as recommending against chemotherapy. Have you had a loved one die of cancer? It was their fault. Do you have or have you had cancer? It's your own damn fault for being so negative.

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amazon.com - #102 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-23 10:07 PM

15. Unvaccinated Children, by Richard Moskowitz, MD

The diseases are not that bad and if they occur they should be treated with homeopathic nostrums. ...

"...any child whose sibling or parent previously contracted poliomyelitis, or a severe or complicated case of measles or whooping cough or any of the other diseases listed, should not receive the vaccine prepared against that illness."
From Always in error, never in doubt
This is the absolute nuttery Raystradamus is pushing here.

#179 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-24 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Solar is niche energy that works in very limited applications.
#156 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Yeah, the tiny "niche" called "anything that uses electricity."

#180 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 02:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@JeffJ... I do hope you see my #179 in this thread (re: your #87 and #107 in this same thread).

#181 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-24 02:54 PM | Reply

"The renewable number was higher than I expected."

Tell me more about liberal policies that will do little, but cost a lot.
You have an abundance of ignorance.
You should fix that.

#182 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Big Pharma and their lobbyists have caused immeasurable harm on Americans, the US healthcare system, and a generation of zombified kids and soccer moms, the opioid crisis, and contributed to the rise of homelessness across the country.

Only an ignorant or evil person could possibly back them up.

#183 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-24 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Only an ignorant or evil person could possibly back them up."

That's like saying only an ignorant or evil person could support the US military that killed all those Iraqi women and children and then let ISIS take over.

#184 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-24 03:18 PM | Reply

So long as marijuana is schedule 1 at the federal level, but also non-efficable for any ailment according to the AMA the police will be social predators feeding an unfair, un-Constitutional farce of a judicial and medical culture. I will not weep when DC finally gets stoned.

Obama re-enforced dispensary raids and repeatedly LAUGHED at even legitimate newspeople bringing up the topic of de-criminalization. They ignored their own online petition submissons. The sad fact is that neither party take the addiction issue as a medical-first condition.

#185 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2017-10-24 07:50 PM | Reply

music for JeffJ
youtu.be

#186 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-10-24 07:53 PM | Reply

Regarding energy, meanwhile the fact that hemp seed oil will make a Diesel engine run with no treatment of the oil other than filtration has been ignored for decades when it could have greatly improved the energy crisis. And growing hemp improves the soil.

#187 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2017-10-25 03:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@JeffJ... I do hope you see my #179 in this thread (re: your #87 and #107 in this same thread).

#181 | POSTED BY HANS

Yes, I did.

Thank you.

#188 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 10:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the absolute nuttery Raystradamus is pushing here.
#179 | POSTED BY HANS

By mainstream standards, of course.
Yet health costs keep rising and Americans are getting sicker.

#189 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-25 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"By mainstream standards, of course." - #189 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-25 04:29 PM

As opposed to your absolute nuttery standards, of course, Raystradamus.

I mean, seriously, one of your "sources" is a Web site (whale.to) run by a pig farmer.

Seriously.

#190 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 04:37 PM | Reply

I mean, seriously, one of your "sources" is a Web site (whale.to) run by a pig farmer.
Seriously.
#190 | POSTED BY HANS

You should be embarrassed. What is obvious to a pig farmer is beyond your intellect.
BTW, three of those sources I named are MDs who see the damage vaccines are doing. You conviently ignored them.

You are defending a system that is failing badly. It's making Americans poorer and sicker at same time.
That's exactly what toxic medicines are designed to do.
American should be getting healthier for their money, not sicker.
There is no money in health. So the industry ignores it. Once they get you hooked on medications, the know you'll be a customer for life.

#191 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-25 07:26 PM | Reply

"What is obvious to a pig farmer..." - #191 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-25 07:26 PM

Glad you confirmed he's a pig farmer.

Saves a lot of work on my part.

"...three of those sources I named are MDs..."

By mainstream standards, of course. /snark

"You conviently [sic] ignored them."

Pig farmers and impeached (by your own words) MDs?

Glad you confirmed that.

Saves a lot of work on my part.

You're a champ, Raystradamus

#192 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 08:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I like Ray quite a bit.

Having said that, for the first time I clicked this:

Raystradamus

That is some seriously funny ----, regardless of how I feel about Ray personally.

Well done, Hans.

#193 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 08:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Well done, Hans." - #193 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 08:46 PM

Thanks my friend, JeffJ...

#194 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 09:03 PM | Reply

That site is wild, JeffJ:

"Only people speaking the language of known conflict have now become the entire housing military.„ -- Moneywar
One of Mao's favorite...

#195 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 09:07 PM | Reply

"Am I addicted to the Drudge Retort?"

Some common symptoms:

Loss of sleep
Fantasizing about other posters' sweaty, hairy bodies.
Structuring your day around being able to post first on the Nooner.
Broken promises and/or beer bottles.
Elevated blood pressure
Your handle is AFKABL2
Believing that the internets is serious business
Using the "bigger man" argument

"It's 4:34 in the morning and you're still arguing...„ - -- AmericanUnity, on the ravages of addiction.

#196 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-25 09:11 PM | Reply

#196 You forgot, "Has terabytes of posts stored on external SSD, sorted by poster and subject"

#197 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 09:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thanks my friend, JeffJ...
#194 | POSTED BY HANS

I hope you brushed your teeth after that one.

#198 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 09:19 PM | Reply

"Am I addicted to the Drudge Retort?"

I'm thinking a score card:

1 point: per plonked someone/got plonked.
1 point: Deliberately misspelled a politician's name.
2 points: Deliberately misspelled a DR Addict's name.
3 points: Complained about moderation.
5 points: posted in the Nooner.
5 points: Exchanged personal email communication with Dear Leader.
10 points: knows what wargames.com is.
15 points: called into the Drudge Retort Radio Show.
20 points: made/somebody made a thread about a DR Addict.
25 points: Goatman! He lives rent-free in your head.
100 points: per username.

#199 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-25 09:35 PM | Reply

Jeff

That is some seriously funny ----, regardless of how I feel about Ray personally.

It's the highest compliment Hans can make. The jerk thinks it bothers me.

About fifty years ago, I found a book, "Food is Your Best Medicine". The title resonated.
As I improved my diet over the years, my health improved. Today I don't even get colds.

Our bodies have very specific dietary requirements. They are self regulating and self healing. They have a built in intelligence.
It's an extremely complex system composed of about 7 trillion calls and about an equal amount of microbes.
Most diseases are dietary related. Disease is our body's way of telling us we are doing something wrong and the way our body defends itself. Correct the dietary issue and the symptoms go away because the body has no more need to defend itself.

Only our body can heal itself. Big Pharma medicines only add to the toxic overload. Superfically they seem to cure disease, but all they do is block the symptoms caused by our body trying to heal itself. The toxins remain in the body to cause disease somewhere else at a later time.

There is no way in hell can allopathic medicines replace what right food does for our healh.

Big Pharma is one of the most corrupt special interests in this country. They are literally getting away with mass murder.

#200 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-25 09:43 PM | Reply

Big Pharma is one of the most corrupt special interests in this country. They are literally getting away with mass murder.
#200 | POSTED BY RAY

Newsworthy.

#201 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-25 09:45 PM | Reply

Ray,

I agree with a fair amount of that. But diet isn't everything. My mom contracted polio at an extremely young age. Fortunately, she has bulldog tenacity and her mom was a slave-driver when it came to getting her to do her exercises. It didn't have any lasting effect, but I have an uncle (married one of my mom's sisters) who was in the same hospital at the exact same time for polio - he spent his entire life in a wheelchair.

I have some health issues. For starters, my kidneys don't sufficiently eliminate uric acid from my body. As a result, until I started taking a preventative, I'd have occasional debilitating gout flare-ups. I also have an over-active immune-system. As a result of that I have plaque-psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis. Humira has taken care of the psoriasis, but I've developed some immunity to it and I frequently suffer from soreness that ranges from slightly-annoying to nearly debilitating. I have researched all sorts of dietary approaches and none of them have worked. The only thing I've isolated is that asparagus is a gout-trigger for me. Asparagus. That royally sucks. I have a cousin who has a gout affliction. His ONLY trigger is shellfish. Shellfish. He has not had a single gout flareup in over 5 years (he used to have them all of the time) since he cut shellfish out of his life.

#202 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 10:06 PM | Reply

Ray,

Going further....

In order for your take on the healthcare industry to be true...

*What you are suggesting is a global conspiracy with competing geopolitics...almost EVERYBODY is either in on it, or is an unquestioning dupe
*It flies in the face of your libertarian/market-based philosophy - that NOBODY will sell the truth and provide healthcare that produces desired outcomes
*How much of health problems in 1st world countries are the direct result of obesity (poor diet and lack of exercise), which have nothing to do with the healthcare industry?

How many major afflictions have been eradicated through vaccination? Smallpox, measles, mumps, anthrax, polio, etc, etc.

If we were to look at smallpox in a vacuum, yeah, maybe I could sign on to your theory that it has been eradicated in spite of vaccinations. But, when looking that vaccinations in their entirety, come on, man! WAY too much evidence supporting the effectiveness of vaccinations.

I try to be as open-minded as possible. I usually enjoy fringe-viewpoints. I have really enjoyed your us.bible site back when I used to poke around it. I generally (but certainly not always) agree with your Libertarian views regarding government. On this specific issue i think you are far more wrong than you are right. Malaria was eradicated in this country through the aggressive use of poison (DDT).

#203 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-25 10:27 PM | Reply

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