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Nancy LeTourneau, Washington Monthly: Let's be honest, the only things most of us know about Congresswoman Frederica Wilson are that she is African American and a rather flamboyant dresser. So I'm not here to defend her record in Congress -- or prior to being elected. But one of the ugliest aspects of what John Kelly did yesterday in his remarks during the press briefing was to attack her personally. As it turns out, his attempts to do so were based on distortions and lies. ... You can make a case that she shouldn't have spoken up about the family's reaction to what Trump said, but the idea that Wilson took aim at something sacred by simply hearing the conversation is an absurd smear.

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We now know that the next thing Kelly said was a lie. He tells a story about being at the dedication of a new FBI field office in Miami in 2015 that was dedicated to two men killed in a firefight in Miami against drug traffickers. "And a congresswoman stood up, and in the long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise, stood up there and all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building, and how she took care of her constituents because she got the money, and she just called up President Obama, and on that phone call he gave the money -- the $20 million -- to build the building. And she sat down, and we were stunned. Stunned that she had done it. Even for someone that is that empty a barrel, we were stunned."

The Miami Herald (and Sun Sentinel video) tell(s) the real story: Thursday night, Wilson said Kelly got the story flat-out wrong. In fact, she said Washington approved the money before she was even in Congress. The legislation she sponsored named the building after Grogan and Dove, a law enacted just days before the ceremony. In 2015, Wilson won praise from Miami Republicans for sponsoring the bill to name the long anticipated federal building after two agents who became legends in local law enforcement. At the dedication ceremony, James Comey, then director of the FBI, lauded Wilson's legislation, which was signed into law by President Barack Obama three days before the April 2015 ceremony. "Rep. Wilson truly did the impossible, and we are eternally grateful," Comey said in his remarks.

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Good find, Tony. Related article: Clinton pitbull, media attack Kelly after Gold Star general defends Trump condolence call - www.foxnews.com

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

a trump surrogate lying? NO

impossible.

#2 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-20 01:44 PM | Reply

"Gold Star general disrespects a gold star widow before her husband is even burried after being disprespected by white supremacist president" - factual headline

#3 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-20 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Again, this is not a trivial point. Look at Kelly's comments and he clearly tries to analogize the naming ceremony to the issue of respect for fallen soldiers and other military personnel. The two FBI agents weren't soldiers. But they died in the line of duty. Their families were there. Children who had barely known their fathers. The clear point of Kelly's attack was that Wilson stood up and made a crass boast about money in the midst of a commemoration of two fallen heroes. In other words, for all her criticism of President Trump, she's really a hypocrite. In fact, she'd been responsible for naming the building after them. Big difference.

Now, this whole ceremony seems like a pretty garden variety federal building dedication. Dignitaries come to town. The local representative is thanked for her work tied to the building. I can't say my impression of Wilson would have been changed dramatically if Kelly's account was accurate. The fact that he seems pretty clearly to have gotten the facts all wrong just solidifies my impression that he went up to that lectern looking to damage Wilson any way he could with at best a pretty flagrant disregard for the facts because he was there to clean up his boss's mess.

Kelly shamed himself with this attack. It was ugly and at least far afield of the fact, intentionally or not. Through it all, whatever President Trump was trying to accomplish in that call, whoever coached him, it seems clear that he deeply upset Johnson's widow and family. Certainly this is a relevant fact Kelly could have taken some note of, even if it was all with the best of intentions on the President's part. He didn't. He ignored all that Trump has done over the course of the week. And at the end of the day that is because Trump is poison. Everyone around him gets damaged. Because he is poison they damage themselves.

Josh Marshall

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-20 01:51 PM | Reply

See also : "John Kelly and the Language of the Military Coup" by Masha Gessen at www.newyorker.com

A summary of points:

Argument 1. Those who criticize the President don't know what they're talking about because they haven't served in the military.

2. The President did the right thing because he did exactly what his general told him to do.

3. Communication between the President and a military widow is no one's business but theirs.

4. Citizens are ranked based on their proximity to dying for their country.

Kelly's last argument was his most striking. At the end of the briefing, he said that he would take questions only from those members of the press who had a personal connection to a fallen soldier, followed by those who knew a Gold Star family. Considering that, a few minutes earlier, Kelly had said most Americans didn't even know anyone who knew anyone who belonged to the "one per cent," he was now explicitly denying a majority of Americans -- or the journalists representing them -- the right to ask questions. This was a new twist on the Trump Administration's technique of shunning and shaming unfriendly members of the news media, except this time, it was framed explicitly in terms of national loyalty. As if on cue, the first reporter allowed to speak inserted the phrase "Semper Fi" -- a literal loyalty oath -- into his question.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-10-20 01:59 PM | Reply

"It stuns me that a member of Congress would have listened in on that conversation. Absolutely stuns me. And I thought at least that was sacred."

I am crying as I type this, and I will keep crying until Kelly is awarded his medal for most dramatic performance.

So the congresswoman wasn't lying as Trump had claimed? It was Trump who lied, and actually lied twice by saying he had proof?

I still think it's funny how Kelly is "stunned" that someone was listening in on a conversation that he was also listening in on.

#6 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2017-10-20 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1
what a pig's article you linked. disgusting.

btw, she wears the hats in remembrance of her grandmother.

#7 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-10-20 03:10 PM | Reply

I still think it's funny how Kelly is "stunned" that someone was listening in on a conversation that he was also listening in on.

Kelly, just like his boss, went off half-cocked without recognition of the factual circumstances and intentionally smeared an elected representative with lies and misinterpretations. Rep. Wilson's relationship with La David began before she was elected to Congress and she remains close with his family. She and others were riding in the limousine heading to the airport to meet La David's remains at the time Trump placed his call to the widow. The widow placed Trump's call on speaker, so everyone in the limo heard the conversation per her actions, not the Congresswoman's.

At the end of the day, the White House personnel speaking on the subject continue to impugn the character of this African-American Congresswoman who has been proven repeatedly correct. And they are doing it by repeating lies and distortions while never actually addressing the circumstances surrounding the deaths of these soldiers more than two weeks after they were ambushed.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-20 03:16 PM | Reply

#1
what a pig's article you linked. disgusting.

You clicked on it? Caveat emptor my friend.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-20 03:17 PM | Reply

"Gold Star general disrespects a gold star widow before her husband is even burried after being disprespected by white supremacist president" - factual headline - #3 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD AT 2017-10-20 01:46 PM
In what way did Gen Kelly disrespect the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson?

#10 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-20 03:50 PM | Reply

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"Related article..." - #1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 01:41 PM

John Kelly Lied About Congresswoman

#11 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-20 04:45 PM | Reply

In what way did Gen Kelly disrespect the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson?

#10 | Posted by Avigdore

Are you calling the mother of the widow a liar?

Despite the protestations of the President, Johnson's mother, Cowanda Jones-Johnson, said Wednesday that Trump called as she and her son's widow, Myeshia, drove to Miami International Airport to meet her son's body. "I was in the car and I heard the full conversation," Jones-Johnson told The Associated Press.

"Not only did he disrespect my son," but he disrespected his wife and me and my husband, she said.

www.nydailynews.com

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-20 07:12 PM | Reply

Wait, I watched the entire video of the phone call on the Washington Post. He never says "we'll he new the risks", or even anything like that! And you can hear both Trump and the wife talking, and it isn't anything at all like what the media is saying! Where the hell are you people getting this? Trump never says "we'll he new the risks". Where the hell did that come from? All he does is praise the guy for his service, bravery, and leadership. At the end of the phone call, they talk about her kids and how well the oldest is doing in college!

You people have gone completely insane.

#13 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-20 09:31 PM | Reply

Link?

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-20 09:55 PM | Reply

HELIUMRAT

"I watched the entire video of the phone call"

Link, please . . . because

" White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said there were no recordings of the call, but explained that Trump's "proof" amounted to there having been "several people in the room from the administration that were on the call, including Chief of Staff John Kelly"

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-10-20 09:57 PM | Reply

#13 If you are referring to this video, then you are talking about a different phone call with a different grieving family:

Listen: Soldier's widow shares her call with Trump

www.washingtonpost.com

(Natasha De Alencar vs Myeshia Johnson)

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-20 10:02 PM | Reply

I just posted the link. Here it is from CNN:

www.cnn.com

#17 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-20 10:03 PM | Reply

#15 The WH also said there is no transcript of the call, but:

Lara Trump Claims to Have Read a Transcript the White House Says Doesn't Exist

www.thedailybeast.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-20 10:04 PM | Reply

#17 That's a different Gold Star family's call from Trump.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-20 10:06 PM | Reply

Gee, you're dumb

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-20 10:08 PM | Reply

"Wait, I watched the entire video of the phone call on the Washington Post."

No, you really didn't.
See #20 if you still have questions.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-20 10:10 PM | Reply

At the end of the phone call, they talk about her kids and how well the oldest is doing in college!

You people have gone completely insane.

This is the fallen soldier in question:

Johnson and three other American soldiers were killed in an ambush in Niger on Oct. 4. He left behind a wife who is six months pregnant and two children, a 2-year-old boy and a 6-year-old girl.

www.washingtonpost.com

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-20 10:13 PM | Reply

Okay, I googled "Trump call to Gold Star widow", and got the audio. So your saying that's a different widow. So what we have to go on is Democratic Rep. Frederica S. Wilson's hearsay about Sgt. La David Johnson.

Okay, I guess that's sort of plausible, so I looked deeper.

I read some People/i> articles about it, and they aren't anywhere near near as hysterical.

For instance, he also called the family of Sgt. Dustin Wright, who was also killed in the Niger attack.

FTA:

Wright's brother, Will, told PEOPLE that his father had an "emotional," 20-minute phone call with Trump and said the president's "comments were appropriate" and his "tone was great."

No, you people are just reactionary. Some Dem says she hears things about Trump, and it's all over the news in seconds because it's negative.

And I still don't think he disrespected the widow.

#23 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-20 10:47 PM | Reply

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#24 | Posted by YAV at 2017-10-20 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So what we have to go on is Democratic Rep. Frederica S. Wilson's hearsay about Sgt. La David Johnson."

It's not hearsay since Wilson actually heard the call, and, no, we don't just have her say so on the topic:

La David Johnson's Mom Says Trump Disrespected Her Son in Phone Call, Confirming Frederica Wilson's Claims

www.newsweek.com

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-20 11:22 PM | Reply

Also, according to Wilson, Johnson's wife was upset:

His call to Ms. Johnson came as she and her two young children were in a limousine at Miami International Airport awaiting a plane carrying the remains of Sergeant Johnson. Mr. Trump spoke for three to five minutes, Ms. Wilson said.

"When she got off the phone, she said, ‘He didn't even know his name. He kept calling him, ‘Your guy,'" Ms. Wilson said of Ms. Johnson. "He was calling the fallen soldier, ‘Your guy.' And he never said his name because he did not know his name. So he kept saying, ‘Your guy. Your guy. Your guy.' And that was devastating to her."

www.nytimes.com

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-20 11:25 PM | Reply

Rat

the issue isn't so much as the initial call to the Johnson's. Dealing with people in that situation is incredibly difficult. Trump SHOULD be trained/coached on what to say and how to say it. Dealing with grief is very difficult, everyone acknowledges that. Based on what the family of the LaDavid say, they were offended by what Trump said. He PROBABLY meant well, but fumbled for the right thing to say. People can understand THAT, to a point.

Trump SHOULD have known LaDavid's name.

The bigger problems are that it reflects a lack of empathy and narcissism that Trump frequently shows and far worse is the surrounding circumstances-stating previous POTUS didn't contact families AND now blaming others for his lack of tact, essentially calling the Johnson's liars and now throwing Kelly under the bus, exploiting HIS family tragedy.

These actions are unbelievably callous to the Johnson family and embarrassing to the office of President.

All he had to do was say (or have a press release) that he regretted the miscommunication with the family, that he truly grieves for their loss and is honored by the sacrifice that LaDavid made. and that would be it.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-20 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wright's brother, Will, told PEOPLE that his father had an "emotional," 20-minute phone call with Trump and said the president's "comments were appropriate" and his "tone was great."

Trump only talked Ms Johnson for 3 to 5 minutes, according to Wilson. I think Trump's call to her was poorly timed. She was on her way to meet her husband's body. Don't forget, his body was not returned with the other three. I don't know if she was knew then or was told later that she couldn't have an open casket, which further upset her. I doubt Trump set out to upset and disrespect her, but he isn't known for his compassion and empathy. Something went badly during that brief phone call. Trump and Kelly would have done better to apologize for Trump's message not coming across in the way he intended it, instead of attacking Wilson and lying about her. Kelly talked about how women are no longer treated with respect, like in the good old days when he was younger. Well, lying about a 75 year old black Congresswoman is extremely disrespectful, so Kelly can take his sentimental reminiscing about the past and shove it where the sun don't shine.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-20 11:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't know if she was knew then = I don't know if she knew then

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-20 11:39 PM | Reply

A man would apologize for the miscommunication and move on.

Welcome to trumpland

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-20 11:39 PM | Reply

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-20 07:12 PM
Are you not literate?
Klifferd's crap: 'Gold Star general disrespects a gold star widow'
My response: 'In what way did Gen Kelly disrespect the widow'
Your weak ---- : 'Trump called as she and her son's widow, Myeshia, drove to Miami International Airport to meet her son's body. "I was in the car and I heard the full conversation," Jones-Johnson told The Associated Press.

"Not only did he disrespect my son," but he disrespected his wife and me and my husband, she said."

One of those things is not like the others. See if you can follow along.

#31 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-21 10:04 AM | Reply

See if you can follow along.

#31 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2017-10-21 10:04 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

The proper course of action is to acknowledge the sacrifice of the life of this soldier. Then apologize to the mother for the obvious pain this must be causing her. Apologize to all servicemembers and let them know that their lives are not worthless from the moment they sign on the line. Let them know their sacrifice will be for America and not for political gain.

Then apologize to everyone for the documented lies.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-21 03:44 PM | Reply

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-21 03:44 PM
What does that have to do with Klifferd saying that Gen. Kelly insulted this widow, or donnerboy having reading comprehension problems?

#33 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-21 07:12 PM | Reply

Everything. The issues are inseparable.

Think when Obama asks the police acted stupidly. The whole of America lost it.

Then the NFL police brutality protests.

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-22 10:42 AM | Reply

Everything. The issues are inseparable. - #34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-22 10:42 AM
What issue? Kliffed said something untrue. Gen Kelly has not insulted Mrs. Johnson, yet Klifferd posts a blatant untruth and someone flags it NW. The issue that people don't understand what is reality and what isn't is the only issue that is inseparable with your list.

#35 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-22 11:22 AM | Reply

Gen Kelly has not insulted Mrs. Johnson, yet Klifferd posts a blatant untruth and someone flags it NW.

General Kelly insulted Mrs. Johnson by his attacks on Rep. Wilson over what she described as Mrs. Johnson's feelings and reactions to Trump's phone call. I believe both Mrs. Johnson and her mother-in-law confirmed that Ms. Wilson had given accurate attributions of their feelings after the call was completed, which is precisely what Kelly attacked in his lying diatribe. Kelly insisted that the congresswoman was wrong to infer that Trump had said things that Kelly himself wouldn't consider offensive, then he further lambasted Wilson for having listened to the call in the first place. The reason Rep. Wilson heard the call was on account of Mrs. Johnson's decision to place it on speakerphone where everyone in the limo could hear the call. Again, this is an indirect rebuke of Mrs. Johnson's decision, one that Kelly isn't entitled to criticize since he himself was listening to the same conversation along with others in the room with Trump when it was made. The receiver owes the giver no deference nor consideration at all, yet Kelly chose to criticize and chastise both the critique of their reception of the call by those hearing it and the widow Johnson's decision to allow others to hear the call in the first place.

Klifferd knows more about the facts than you do, and your insistence that he's wrong has been ignored by most of us incessantly amused at your need to personally challenge everyone who posts something you disagree with, which is certainly your right. And it's our right and decision to ignore most of what you say.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 11:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#35 It would be clear to you if you cared. Try to understand why you don't care about an American dying for his country and watching the commander in chief and general kelly poop all over them.

#37 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-22 12:40 PM | Reply

When you figure out why you don't care, please share. I would like to know.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-22 12:41 PM | Reply

#11 | POSTED BY HANS

Hey Hans, query your time machine and post links and quotes of any of the above posters concerned about honoring the fallen in Benghazi.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-22 12:57 PM | Reply

#39 don't be stupid.

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-22 01:25 PM | Reply

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 11:38 AM
Nice dancing in an attempt to show that "Gold Star general disrespects a gold star widow" except for the point where you actually show that he disrespected her.

#41 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-22 01:48 PM | Reply

#39 don't be stupid.

He can't help it because he is stupid. (see #41)

Anyone else want to waste their time in trying to explain the transitive principle to the oblivious one?

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 01:53 PM | Reply

Rep. Wilson is not above smearing someone herself. In her CNN interview she says that " empty barrel" is a racist term. How does she know this? "We looked it up in the dictionary". Thats a pretty big and shamelessly inaccurate smear of a Gold Star Father...

#43 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-22 02:12 PM | Reply

#39 don't be stupid.
He can't help it because he is stupid. (see #41)
Anyone else want to waste their time in trying to explain the transitive principle to the oblivious one?
#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 01:53 PM

39 & 41 are different people. Someone want to explain numbers "to the oblivious one?"

Tony, you don't insult someone by talking bad about a family friend. And transitive would only apply if Congresswoman Frederica Wilson = the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson. So yeah, I guess someone will try "to explain the transitive principle to the oblivious one".
You're welcome.

#44 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-22 02:19 PM | Reply

- Let's be honest, the only things most of us know about Congresswoman Frederica Wilson...

...Is that in the midst of a widow's most traumatic moment of her life, decided to create a political firestorm, while riding to greet her dead husband.

What a scumbag witch.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-22 02:23 PM | Reply

In her CNN interview she says that " empty barrel" is a racist term. How does she know this?

I think she interprets its use in describing her as being racist because she believes the people criticising her are 'white supremacists' because of their tendency to politically attack women of color as a matter of routine. It doesn't make it true, but one can understand her viewpoint while still disagreeing with her conclusion.

Kelly told demonstrable lies about the congresswoman while ignoring the circumstances surrounding how and why she was with the family when the call was received, and that Wilson was both a mentor and family friend to the deceased long before she became a Congressman. From her point of view, none of the criticism she articulated for the family and herself was political, it was emotional and easily understood from people grieving the unexpected loss of their loved one.

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 02:25 PM | Reply

Political opportunist Wilson and Madd Maxxine should run on a ticket.

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-22 02:25 PM | Reply

"#39 don't be stupid."

It's what he does.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-22 02:31 PM | Reply

This isn't the first time Kelly has called a minority member of Congress an empty barrel; he used the term in reference to Illinois Rep. Luis Gutierrez in September:

"As far as the congressman and other irresponsible members of congress are concerned, they have the luxury of saying what they want as they do nothing and have almost no responsibility," Kelly said. "They can call people liars but it would be inappropriate for me to say the same thing back at them. As my blessed mother used to say ‘empty barrels make the most noise.'"

He concluded, "The congressman has a right to his opinion."

www.foxnews.com

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-22 02:38 PM | Reply

#46 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Nope she said it was a racist term and "we looked it up in the dictionary". Your word salad not withstanding..

#50 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-22 02:40 PM | Reply

#49 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

That makes it a racist term?

#51 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-22 02:41 PM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

No sir, if you would take the time to actually read the circumstances perhaps you wouldn't be so oblvious as to why Klifferd was right from the beginning.

The entire controversy is based upon how the widow received Trump's condolence call, full stop. Everything flows from that origin, so every criticism that Kelly made toward Wilson was a criticism of Myeshia's decisions including having the congresswoman listen in on the call itself, which Kelly said "stunned him" as though he has the right to critique Myeshia's decision.

The entire controversy is about the demeaning of the family's feelings though the Democratic Congresswoman is the pointperson of the focus to deflect that she only told the truth of her firsthand experience of what Myeshia and her mother-in-law felt and said after receiving Trump's phone call. In no way do I think Trump meant to be received that way, but Myeshia's first lament after hanging up was that the President "kept calling him 'your guy, your guy' he doesn't even know his name," and that was on top of the "he knew what he signed up for." Today the President was recorded in an interview claiming that he was nice on the call and that he did say the soldier's name. And he repeated this statement. But he never said the name "La David" while doing so.

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 02:41 PM | Reply

"That makes it a racist term?"

That might make Kelly's use of it a racist term. I'd have to know more about the people Kelly refers to as empty barrels. If he consistently uses the term only to refer to minorities, then, yes, it would be racist the way he is using it. However, if he has used the term to refer to white men and women, then it wouldn't be.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-22 02:49 PM | Reply

Nope she said it was a racist term...

That's all I said. The dictionaries that I checked don't agree with her.

#54 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 02:50 PM | Reply

That's all I said. The dictionaries that I checked don't agree with her.

#54 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Do you?

#55 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-22 02:53 PM | Reply

#53 Lawrence O'Donnell, who grew up in an Irish-Catholic neighborhood near to the one Kelly grew up in at around the same time Kelly did, thought it was racist:

www.youtube.com

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-22 02:54 PM | Reply

#56 There may be regional and/or generational differences as to any racial connotations the phrase might have.

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-22 02:56 PM | Reply

#55

Not important, but honestly I don't know. As Gal noted, so far the only persons we know that he's used this term about publicly are a Hispanic male and a black female Congressperson. But it's a tiny sample. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks other than Kelly, although I do think targets are allowed their opinions on the subject since they're the ones being named.

#58 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 03:01 PM | Reply

every criticism that Kelly made toward Wilson was a criticism of Myeshia's decisions including having the congresswoman listen in on the call itself, which Kelly said "stunned him" as though he has the right to critique Myeshia's decision. - #52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-22 02:41 PM

Even if we pretend to agree with your interpretation that criticizing how a congressperson handles what Kelly considers a sacred event equals criticizing the widow Johnson, that still doesn't equate to disrespecting her. Unless you also want to redefine criticism as disrespect. Keep going round and round, but you've still got no basis for the original statement that Kelly disrespected Mrs. Johnson.

#59 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-22 03:03 PM | Reply

#53 Lawrence O'Donnell, who grew up in an Irish-Catholic neighborhood near to the one Kelly grew up in at around the same time Kelly did, thought it was racist...
#56 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Lawrence O'Donnell is a hyperbolic empty barrel.

#60 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-22 03:21 PM | Reply

although I do think targets are allowed their opinions on the subject since they're the ones being named.
#58 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Ok, do they also just get to make things up as well? You know as well as I do she did not look this up in the dictionary and find it defined as a racist term, but she says she did.

#61 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-22 03:29 PM | Reply

#60 The biggest and the bestest empty barrel is the guy Kelly works for in the WH.

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-22 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Trump first disrespected Johnson by putting him in a situation that was doomed to failure.
No support.
Placing Chad on the list which insulted the Chad military to stop helping USA in boko haram fight
Sending in contractors that didn't do head count and left Johnson behind
Allowing Johnson's body to be mutilated
Then he disrespected Johnson's widow.
Then he tasked Kelly to further disrespect widow.
Then he doesn't have decency to show up at the funeral.

What a horrible person the "moral right" gave power to.

#63 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-23 10:50 AM | Reply

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