Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, October 19, 2017

Mohammad Hanif in Karachi, Pakistan: This country has a poor record of protecting its religious minorities, but we outdo ourselves when it comes to Ahmadis. Members of the sect insist on calling themselves Muslims, and we mainstream Muslims insist on treating them like the worst kind of heretics. The day I wrote this piece, a small headline in a newspaper informed me that an Ahmadi lawyer, his wife and two-year-old child had been shot dead by gunmen at home, for being Ahmadis. Killings like this have happened so many times that the story wasn't even the main news. On May 28, 2010, some 90 Ahmadis were killed during attacks on two mosques in Lahore. No public official attended the funerals. You would think that the government, law enforcers and the courts would do something about such sustained acts of brutality. But they are too hard at work. I learned from another recent headline that a district court near Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, had sentenced three Ahmadi men to death for blasphemy.

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I think this op-ed give us insight into the 'real' Pakistan, - the one you don't hear about from most news sources.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-19 12:27 PM | Reply

Here ------, ------, ------...here boy!! You want the stick? Go get it!

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-19 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

They need liberation and democracy. and McDonalds. Boeing. McDonnell-Douglas. Blackwater. etc.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-19 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Come now Mustang, everyone knows that JTosserMain lives in "Texas"...

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-19 01:22 PM | Reply

everyone knows that JTosserMain lives in "Texas"...

Darn right, pardner.

YEEEEHAAAWWWW!!!!!

Git along lil doggie!!!!

#5 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-19 01:26 PM | Reply

This article really sheds light on just how hypocritical and narrow minded the typical Pakistani is. For example, I never knew that a Pakistani actually has to make a hate-filled bigoted dishonest declaration UNDER OATH in order to get a passport. Think about that. It would be like if in the US you had to declare under oath that blacks are inferior to whites in order to qualify for a passport.

#6 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-19 02:09 PM | Reply

This article really sheds light on just how hypocritical and narrow minded the typical Pakistani is.

I wouldn't necessarily say, "sheds light".

Pakistan. Like the rest of the Middle East. Is ruled by fundamentally religious conservatives.

Religious conservatives are hypocritical and narrow minded.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-19 02:14 PM | Reply

The US should have a rule that it will not accept people traveling into this country on a passport from any nation that requires the individual to make a racist hate-filled declaration against another group of people in order to qualify for the passport. Let's get rid of Pakistani tourists and business people for once and for all. If they want to immigrate here and renounce their hate-filled country of origin, then that is different. But we don't need casual hate promoting people making the US a vacation destination.

#8 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-19 02:19 PM | Reply

#8

Careful, Moder8, you may have a Hawaii District Court judge striking down your post as an unconstitutional faith based suggestion since the ----- are mostly Muslim.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-19 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The US should have a rule that it will not accept people traveling into this country on a passport from any nation that requires the individual to make a racist hate-filled declaration against another group of people in order to qualify for the passport."

What a stupid, victim punishing idea.

Did your Zionist masters put you up to this, or are you just trying to impress then?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-19 02:41 PM | Reply

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It is not faith based discrimination. Rather, it is to protect those of all faiths from discrimination in their home countries.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-19 02:48 PM | Reply

Did your Zionist masters put you up to this, or are you just trying to impress then?

Nawwww.... he's trying to impress ME. (maybe he wants me to give him a REAL job?)

Zionists are too smart to hire a dime store "lawyer" like this guy.

Here.. watch me puncture his weak "arguments".

blacks are inferior to whites

Black men no longer die of natural causes. Well, they do... I guess "death by cop" is a natural cause for them now.

will not accept people traveling into this country on a passport from any nation that requires the individual to make a racist hate-filled declaration against another group of people

Oh good. Ban everyone from India too.

Caste System......

Pakistani tourists

What "tourists"?

Pakistanis go to Dubai, Australia and China.

Nobody is lining up to go to the US with it's mass shootings.

BTW, here are other three points, the dime store "lawyer" didn't think of....

1. Not just Pakistan... MOST Muslim majority countries have declared Ahmedi non-Muslims.

2. The American "Nation of Islam" is Ahmedi... always has been. Go protect their rights, if you like them so much.

3. Pakistan just got elected to the UN Human Rights Council.

OOPS!

#12 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-19 03:02 PM | Reply

Have a nice day.

Tremain out....

#13 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-19 03:02 PM | Reply

What a stupid, victim punishing idea.

Victim? How are they victims? Because we wont let them into our country?

They already have a country, let them stay there..

Nobody is lining up to go to the US with it's mass shootings.

Um, our airport entry points say differently. Your(Pakistan), or any other "Stan" country has no incoming immigration policy, because no one but afghani's are trying to go there..

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-19 04:07 PM | Reply

If any hate-filled Pakistanis don't like it they can't take it up with the New York Times. Because I don't see or hear any Pakistanis suggesting the article is wrong in any way.

#15 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-19 04:15 PM | Reply

I don't see or hear any Pakistanis suggesting the article is wrong in any way.

Who said the article is wrong?

The simple fact is, nobody cares.

our airport entry points say differently

Go and stand at your airport, maggot. Tell me how many Pakistanis you spot.

None.

USA is a dangerous country (mass shootings without warning) and the USA is a racist/bigot country (Trump Trump Trump)... only a mental patient would go there when they can go to far better places a lot closer to home.

Your(Pakistan), or any other "Stan" country has no incoming immigration policy

It does.

Immigration is not allowed unless you marry a Pakistani. Sorry.

And I'm from Texas.... nanny nanny boo boo! LOL

#16 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-19 04:32 PM | Reply

3. Pakistan just got elected to the UN Human Rights Council.

That doesn't mean anything. Saudi Arabia was on the UN human rights council. The Saudis don't even consider women to be humans or deserving of rights.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-19 04:40 PM | Reply

The Saudis don't even consider women to be humans or deserving of rights.

They're going to drive and run over people now... just like other wemin all over the world.

That doesn't mean anything.

In the world of diplomacy, it means everything. (even for Saudi Arabia)

#18 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-19 04:45 PM | Reply

and run over people now

Which reminds me.... posting a new thread....

Everyone has GOT to see it.

#19 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-19 04:47 PM | Reply

I guess if you are a narrow minded enough and hate filled enough person to get all bent out of shape because of the religious beliefs of Ahmadis then really you have no business coming to the US in the first place. We believe in freedom of religion and tolerance for those with different religious beliefs than our own. Obvious Pakistan has the opposite, more primitive mind-set.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-19 04:48 PM | Reply

4.bp.blogspot.com

#21 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-19 04:57 PM | Reply

In a way, the article kind of makes a person understand just what type of ----------- hypocrite the typical Pakistani Muslim really is. Sad, actually. Primitive. Even barbaric. I'm glad nobody I care for has any reason to visit that country.

#22 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-19 05:02 PM | Reply

Sad...Primitive.....Even barbaric......

i.ytimg.com

OOPS!!!

#23 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-19 05:05 PM | Reply

For those of you who are not bigoted, hate filled Muslim Pakistanis, below is a link explaining what it means to be Ahmadi. Very interesting. Think of them as the Jehovah's Witnesses of Christian sects.

en.wikipedia.org

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-19 05:28 PM | Reply

I can understand stealin', robbin' raping and murder...why you'd beat your wife or kid...kick the dog but
I cannot understand religion. everybody in the world has seen a cell phone and an airplane. atavistic herd
instinct is all i can figure. for me, the most ignoble death i could suffer would be to be killed for blasphemy

#25 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-19 06:28 PM | Reply

Less like Jehovah's Witnesses and more like Muslims that reject the worst parts associated with Islam.

"Ahmadiyya adherents believe that Ahmad appeared in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice, and peace. They believe that upon divine guidance he divested Islam of fanatical and innovative beliefs and practices by championing what is, in their view, Islam's true and essential teachings as practised by Muhammad and the early Islamic community.[12] Thus, Ahmadis view themselves as leading the revival and peaceful propagation of Islam."

#26 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-19 06:40 PM | Reply

more like Muslims that reject the worst parts associated with Islam.

Say hi to Danni... the new recruiter for Nation of Islam.

As I said before, Nation of Islam, murderous thugs, are all Ahmedi. Which is why Malcolm X split with them. Which is why he was killed.

From the American perspective, that's all we need to know about these people and their beliefs.

Going down the Ahmedi rabbit hole will take you to the depths of black-white relations.

Less like Jehovah's Witnesses

Exactly like Mormons (fake Christians).

#27 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:41 AM | Reply

And if they don't like living in Pakistan, they can always move to Saudi... oh wait.... Saudis also think they aren't Muslim.

So they can move to Malaysia.... oh wait.... not there either....

Maybe Turkey.... hell no....

Tell you what... get them all to move to the US. They can hang out with their Nation of Islam buddies and make their women wear the burka (Ahmedi women are more oppressed than Saudi women.... it's in their "bible").

Ahmedi are the Pakistani version of Chinese "falun gung"... remember that BS?

#28 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:46 AM | Reply

Anyway... not much anyone can do about it except display fake outrage.

As if our own country doesn't have enough problems..... Maybe we ... specially dime store "lawyers" and people like "cpl" BOAZ ..... should find a way to fix what happened in Vegas???

#29 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:49 AM | Reply

"As I said before, Nation of Islam, murderous thugs, are all Ahmedi."

Wasn't it just last week the Nation of Islam killed 90 people...

I'm not really a fan of them or their ideology, it's not like they're out killing those who they don't regard as being religiously pure.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-20 04:11 AM | Reply

it's not like they're out killing

That's because FBI and such have them castrated.

Let the Nation of Islam run this country.... then you'll see.

Wasn't it just last week the Nation of Islam killed 90 people...

No, I think that was a retired .. white Christian.... accountant from Vegas.

Next week it'll be someone else.

#31 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 04:23 AM | Reply

Anyway, whatever. The fact is, Ahmedi in Pakistan are FAR LESS PERSECUTED than blacks in America.

That's a bit hard to digest.

We should work harder to solve our own problems first.

#32 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 04:31 AM | Reply

Great nations always have some minority they can poop on.

Pakistan has Ahmedis.

USA started with native Americans (killed 96% of them) and now they have blacks.

This is how great nations become great. (unfortunately)

#33 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 04:33 AM | Reply

"Anyway, whatever. The fact is, Ahmedi in Pakistan are FAR LESS PERSECUTED than blacks in America."

Really? So we can expect an Ahmedi to get elected Prime Minister sometime here in the near future?

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-20 10:15 AM | Reply

Muslim majority countries generally abuse religious minorities. It's not an excuse to abuse Muslims where they are the minority. But it would be cool if once in a while someone tried to do something about the problem or at least acknowledge that it is a real problem.

#35 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-20 10:56 AM | Reply

Really?

Really.

we can expect an Ahmedi to get elected Prime Minister sometime here in the near future?

Here?

In Texas?

Texas has Prime Ministers?

If you meant in Pakistan, then no.... they can't have a non-Muslim Prime Minister or President. No Christians, Jews, Hindus, Ahmedis or whatevers.

Just like Isreal. A non-Jew can't be Prime Minister.

Part of the Constitution in both cases, I'm afraid.

#36 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 10:56 AM | Reply

Muslim majority countries generally abuse religious minorities

Nonsense.

The Ahmedi will not be "abused" if they stop pretending they are "Muslim".

The Government does not abuse them ever.

Ahmedis were created by the British to try and control the concept of Jihad, when they had an Empire going. It's a well known fact that the founder of this new religion was a front man for the British Occupation of India.

Now that the British have shrunk to a tiny little island nation, there is no need for these seditious bastards.

#37 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 11:02 AM | Reply

Also... Pakistan got rid of the Freemasons in the 70s.

Crushed them in a single generation and took all their property and money..... ran them out of Pakistan. Can't have devil worshipers in a Muslim country (see how just one of them killed over 70 people in Norway).

The Ahemdis will be absorbed/assimilated in no more than 3 generations. The process has started since the 80s.

Their "religion" will be history in a few decades. Their kids won't even know their ancestors were agents of the British Occupation a long time ago.

#38 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 11:07 AM | Reply

"Crushed them in a single generation and took all their property and money..... ran them out of Pakistan. Can't have devil worshipers in a Muslim country (see how just one of them killed over 70 people in Norway)."

Did they stick them in special "camps?"

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-20 12:25 PM | Reply

"Their "religion" will be history in a few decades. Their kids won't even know their ancestors were agents of the British Occupation a long time ago."

Pakistan only exists because the British gifted it to the Muslims...

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-20 12:27 PM | Reply

And maybe they were wrong to do so. Maybe with a few camps and a little crushing, the Brits would have ensured that the residents of the country now known as Pakistan wouldn't have known that their ancestors has practiced the religion of an occupying army that forced the beliefs upon them.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-20 12:29 PM | Reply

Also... Pakistan got rid of the Freemasons in the 70s.
Crushed them in a single generation and took all their property and money..... ran them out of Pakistan. Can't have devil worshipers in a Muslim country (see how just one of them killed over 70 people in Norway).
The Ahemdis will be absorbed/assimilated in no more than 3 generations. The process has started since the 80s.

Nice tolerance of other viewpoints. Glad you are in "Texas" where you belong.

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 12:32 PM | Reply

Did they stick them in special "camps?"

Of course not.

Pakistan only exists because the British gifted it to the Muslims...

LOL. The Brits did everything to not let it happen but then they weren't given much of a choice.

Maybe with a few camps and a little crushing, the Brits would have ensured

If the Brits had stayed on, they would all have been slaughtered.

Indian leaders promised the British to not create trouble during WW2... in fact, they promised the Indian people would serve in the war on the British side, IF the British promised to frak off back to their miserable island after the war.

Both sides kept that promise, more or less.

#43 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 12:39 PM | Reply

Nice tolerance of other viewpoints.

I am the most tolerant person you will ever meet.

I tolerate retarded Trumpists every day.

#44 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 12:45 PM | Reply

What I don't understand is HOW THE HELL did the Nation of Islam decide to be Ahmedi???

Ahmedis are an Indian/Pakistan/Britain thing. They had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with black Americans.

But that's what happened. Nation of Islam started as Ahmedi and it is still Ahmedi. (which is why no Muslim leader wants to go near them)

Forever the troublemakers.

#45 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 12:53 PM | Reply

Re #37 - why say " nonsense" and then affirm my point in the very next sentence? Trying to BS your way around this just makes it seem like the only religious freedom you care about is your own. And you are hardly unique in that regard.

#46 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-20 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Ahmedi Belief System, in detail:

carm.org

This is not fake.

You want this to be part of America? It sure as Hell isn't going to be allowed to be part of Pakistan.

Enjoy.

#47 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 12:59 PM | Reply

why say " nonsense" and then affirm my point in the very next sentence?

Ahmedis are not persecuted as long as they stay Ahmedi.

They get into trouble when they pretend to be Muslims.

They also like to play the victim now and then.

Hope I have cleared the confusion....

#48 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 01:01 PM | Reply

Religious freedom involves allowing them to self identify as Muslim. You can't even grasp the concept, it seems.

#49 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-20 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I tolerate retarded Trumpists every day.

But Freemasons and Ahmedis should burn in hell.

Hypocrite.

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 01:29 PM | Reply

"Hypocrite"

Tu quoque is a logical fallacy.
Find a sensible reason for your "outrage."

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-20 01:32 PM | Reply

"I tolerate retarded Trumpists every day."

If you're lucky the Trumpists continue to tolerate you.

Or maybe they'll decide to treat you the way ----- treat the Ahmedi.

But I guess you don't have room to complain if that ever happens.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-20 01:38 PM | Reply

I don't think it will though. Even the most uncivilized USan is subject to civility in a way that seems to be absent on Paki-stan.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-20 01:39 PM | Reply

Religious freedom involves allowing them to self identify as Muslim. You can't even grasp the concept, it seems.

There has to be a limit on FREEDUMB. When there is no limit on FREEDUMB, you get Vegas, Sandy Hook, Collumbine, etc.

"My mind is so open, my brains fell out"

Or maybe they'll decide to treat you the way ----- treat the Ahmedi.

Trumpists... without exception... are kinda dumb. I can run rings around them.

Even the most uncivilized USan is subject to civility in a way... bla bla bla

Yeah yeah yeah.... I get your fake outrage.

#54 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 01:51 PM | Reply

I can't believe that Tremain is actually defending and attempting to justify the horrific persecution of the Ahmadis. It is really offensive. Ahmadis are being murdered in Pakistan under color of law due to the intolerant attitudes of Pakistanis. It is horrendous. At this point I consider Tremain's posts to be hate speech. They should be deleted. It would be like if another poster argued in favor black slavery.

#55 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-20 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

the horrific persecution of the Ahmadis.... .. are being murdered.... horrendous .... I consider...

From dime store "lawyer" to drama queen. You have quite the repertoire.

hate speech. They should be deleted. It would be like if another poster argued in favor black slavery.

The fact is, Ahmedis have been declared non-Muslim all Muslim majority nations.

Nobody will persecute them as long as they self-identify as "ahmedi". They are a different religion and have all the rights and protections of.. Christians.. for example.

As long as they don't call themselves "Muslims".

Nobody is saying they should be jailed or shot or killed like dogs the way black people in America are.

Please don't attempt to mislead.

#56 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:02 PM | Reply

Also, if Ahmedis are SOOOOOOO persecuted... they are free to leave Pakistan.

Why do they stay?

Obviously because they like it there.

BTW, your sorry little article is an OPINION piece.

Not news. LOL

#57 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:07 PM | Reply

Tremain, you are a disgrace. Shame on you. Why can't you have the dignity, the honor and the morality to acknowledge that Pakistan's treatment of Ahmadis is outrageous? All you have is hatred.

#58 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-20 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tremain, you are a disgrace.

No, you are a disgrace.

You only posted this to get my attention. And you got it.

Why complain now? Because I made you look stupid?

Whatever.

I have said all I wanted to say. Deal with it.

#59 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:15 PM | Reply

Find a sensible reason for your "outrage."

#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-10-20 01:32 PM

Nice knee-jerk attack, read what JTosseRigelmain is saying about "Crushing [the Freemasons] in a single generation and took all their property and money" and how the "Ahmadi will be assimilated in a generation" and tell me that he is tolerant by any definition of the word.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 02:19 PM | Reply

You are like a fish on the hook. Can't break free. Your hatred of the Ahmadis reveals more about you than a 10000 obfuscating posts in which you deny it. Sorry dude. You are the lowest form of scum there is. A quasi-Nazi who is proud of it.

#61 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-20 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Because I look stupid and intolerant?

Whatever.

I have said all I wanted to say. Deal with it.

#59 | POSTED BY JTOSSERIGELMAIN AT 2017-10-20 02:15 PM

FTFY, now go away to your little pit of hatred.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 02:21 PM | Reply

and how the "Ahmadi will be assimilated in a generation"

I said 3 generations.... maybe 4.

And very gently too.

When their kids in school are given proper Muslim textbooks and not Ahmedi textbooks, the problem will go away by itself.

It's been remarkably successful so far.

#63 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:22 PM | Reply

You are the lowest form of scum there is.

You have been using personal abuse against me since a few posts now.

Taking quite a chance, no?

#64 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:24 PM | Reply

now go away to your little pit of hatred.

I never left Texas.

#65 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:25 PM | Reply

How come Jtremain can't convince anybody he lives in texas?

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-20 02:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I convinced everyone when I posted pics in the Nooner.

You must have missed it.

#67 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:29 PM | Reply

you did?

who?

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-20 02:34 PM | Reply

you did?

who?

#68 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2017-10-20 02:34 PM

Klifferd.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 02:39 PM | Reply

Ahmadis are Muslim. Always will be. It is that simple. The fact that hate filled bigots can't accept the fact is beside the point.

#70 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-20 02:46 PM | Reply

lol. Don't involve me in the DR vs J Tremain.

That's your guys issue.

Dr. Abdus Salam who is Pakistan's only nobel prize winning scientist was an Ahmadi and he personally helped my father, when he was a physics PhD student, get an elevated position when he came to the USA in 1970. (via Italy where Salam was doing his work)

My family is very friendly toward Ahmadis.

#71 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-20 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ahmadis are Muslim.

Sez the non-Muslim....

#72 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:49 PM | Reply

I convinced everyone when I posted pics in the Nooner.
You must have missed it.

#67 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN

Who did you convince? Proof or it didn't happen....Hell, Sniper wouldn't even fall for that....

#73 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-20 02:54 PM | Reply

The DR vs J Tremain.

A fine title for a legal-thriller movie.

Will feature at least two American-car-chases!

#74 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:55 PM | Reply

Who did you convince?

Allah.

#75 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 02:57 PM | Reply

It isn't even true that they would be left alone if they stopped claiming to be Muslims. In some countries they would probably use anti-apostasy laws against them at that point. And the harassment would continue as always.

#76 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-20 03:04 PM | Reply

Allah.

#75 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN

Is that one of your goats names? Sorry J_TREMAIN couldn't pass that one up.....

But seriously no one thinks you're from Texas, why bother pretending?

And WTH what's with all the Hate towards Ahmadis? Do you have unpleasant history with Ahmadis?

#77 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-20 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It isn't even true that they would be left alone if they stopped claiming to be Muslims.

99.99% are left alone.

If they weren't the US would have said something.

#78 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:10 PM | Reply

Do you have unpleasant history with Ahmadis?

I have a pleasant history with them actually and I don't hate them.

However, that doesn't change the fact most of the Muslim world regards them as a cult.

no one thinks you're from Texas

When I have Allah convinced, why would I waste my energy on anyone else?

#79 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:16 PM | Reply

#71

Sorry Kliff, couldn't resist.

My wife and I are friends with an Ahmadi couple who live in Santa Monica, she is an eye doctor at UCLA. Awesome people and they consider themselves to be Muslim.

JTosseRigelMain's hatred is both disgusting and telling as to who he truly is.

#80 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 03:18 PM | Reply

My wife and I are friends with an Ahmadi couple

Me and my future wife (whoever the hell she might be) are friends with a Martian couple.

Absolutely smashing people!

#81 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:21 PM | Reply

"USA started with native Americans (killed 96% of them) and now they have blacks."

23 Buffalo Soldiers received the Medal of Honor during the Indian Wars. (Ironic, no?)

#82 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-20 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Me and my future wife (whoever the hell she might be)

Daddy hasn't set that up yet?

Hope she is as bigoted as you are, for her sake.

#83 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 03:24 PM | Reply

she is an eye doctor at UCLA

Thats BS, btw.

Ahmedi wives are not allowed to have jobs (unlike mainstream Islam).

Nice try!

#84 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:24 PM | Reply

#83 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Does not get sarcasm

#85 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:27 PM | Reply

Ahmedi wives are not allowed to have jobs (unlike mainstream Islam).

They live in LA, what can I say. As a "Texan" you should know that certain prehistoric restrictions that exist in your beloved Pakistan are ignored here.

#86 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 03:36 PM | Reply

According to you, they are ignoring one of the strictest rules of their cult.

I have never heard of that happening.

Like I said, nice try!

certain prehistoric restrictions that exist in your beloved Pakistan

Wives not allowed to work outside the kitchen or the bedroom is not a Pakistani or American restriction.

It is a restriction of their own cult.

#87 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:43 PM | Reply

The British were behind the creation of the Ahmedi cult. It was done to remove Jihad from Islam.

The easiest way to do that, is to make sure the women are made useless and always under the control of the "man of the house". It's how the WAHABI cult controls the Saudi people.... to make sure they don't rise against the King.

Ahmedi wives have ZERO rights.

Understand now?

#88 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:47 PM | Reply

UCLA doctor my butt......

#89 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:48 PM | Reply

It is what it is, ------. They said that they are Ahmadi (I had never heard of it before), he is an internist at St. Johns, she is an eye doctor at UCLA.

Matters not to me, but then again I am not a bigot.

#90 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 03:49 PM | Reply

I like how Rigel is making declarative statements regarding people he's never even met.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-20 03:50 PM | Reply

Yeah yeah yeah ... good for them if they can ignore their cult.

However, as this is coming from a suspect source (you), I remain highly skeptical.

I am not a bigot.

I wish Ahmedis didn't treat their wives like slaves.

If that makes me a bigot, so be it.

#92 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 03:52 PM | Reply

#91

IKR, their son plays club volleyball on an 18's team in the same club that my son plays on the 17's, we originally met at tournaments in Orange County and became friendly with them at the Boys National Championships in Columbus OH this summer. Super cool people, we see then every once and a while at practices and grab dinner while the boys are with their teams.

#93 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 03:55 PM | Reply

I like how Rigel is making declarative statements regarding people he's never even met.
#91 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

The very DNA of the DR is built upon that.

#94 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I like how Rigel is making declarative statements regarding people he's never even met."

is that any different from statements Zed makes about people?

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-20 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's pretty much the same thing.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-20 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

93

"Stop lying!!! You're making me look bad!!!"

-RigelTossingoff

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-20 03:59 PM | Reply

If that makes me a bigot, so be it.

No, what makes you a bigot is your previous 20+ posts where you call the Ahmadi "murderous thugs", say they will be "assimilated", that they are a cult and should be persecuted if they call themselves Muslim, that they are like the Falun Gong, that the Freemasons were satanists, that the ----- "Crushed [the Freemasons] in a single generation and took all their property and money", that the Mormons are fake Christians...those things.

#98 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 04:01 PM | Reply

It's funny how when one of the DR Left goes off the reservation and is forced to show their true colors their compatriots run for the hills.

#99 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 04:03 PM | Reply

ROC: Newsflash - ------ is not part of the DR Left. In fact that scumbag has frequently bragged about being a Republican and how all Pakistanis in America are Republican. ------'s scumminess though transcends political affiliation. Just a despicable human being. Morally, a total piece ----.

#100 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-20 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

New movie!

s1.postimg.org

#101 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-20 04:09 PM | Reply

It's funny how when one of the DR Left goes off the reservation

J_TosseRigel is neither the DR left or DR right.

Despite our differences. We all love America, but have different points of view on certain aspects of how the government functions.

J_TosseRigel is a conservative Pakistani troll who cleverly convinced everyone he's a Texan.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 04:11 PM | Reply

------ is a -----. Even the left is wary of him.

Nobody believes anything he says.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-20 04:12 PM | Reply

Moder8-

I have seen mostly that he identifies Left and posts like one, but I agree that he is a total POS

#104 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 04:12 PM | Reply

#102

Obviously Clowny is confused over the terms "cleverly", "convinced" and "everyone."

#105 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 04:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This started in #66 when I asked why it seems nobody believes he lives in Texas.

Shart comes along and says everyone believes him.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-20 04:16 PM | Reply

Obviously Clowny is confused over the terms "cleverly", "convinced" and "everyone."

#105 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Well he did leave collge early to become drafted by the Texans.

#107 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-20 04:24 PM | Reply

I have seen mostly that he identifies Left and posts like one, but I agree that he is a total POS

He is a lefty. By Pakistani standards.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 04:30 PM | Reply

Obviously Clowny is confused over the terms "cleverly", "convinced" and "everyone."

Sarcasm is hard to convey.

But. I gave you a funny flag in hopes you understood I was being sarcastic and were playing off of that.

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 04:31 PM | Reply

Shart comes along and says everyone believes him.
#106 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Try reading that again with your sarcasm filter on.

You can do it Beverly, I believe in you!

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 04:37 PM | Reply

Sarcasm is hard to convey.
But. I gave you a funny flag in hopes you understood I was being sarcastic and were playing off of that.

#109 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
no one thinks you're from Texas
When I have Allah convinced, why would I waste my energy on anyone else?

#79 | POSTED BY no one thinks you're from Texas
When I have Allah convinced, why would I waste my energy on anyone else?

#79 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN

Oh Thank goodness!!! I thought for a minute maybe you were J_TREMAIN's Allah....

#111 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-20 04:38 PM | Reply

Giggle, Giggle at this whole thread bashing the goat banger..

****smiles**** and goes and gets more popcorn....

- Boaz

#112 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-20 04:42 PM | Reply

However, that doesn't change the fact most of the Muslim world regards them as a cult.

There are many religions here in the U.S. that a lot of people consider a cult.

Christians think the Mormons are a cult. Everyone thinks Scientology is a cult. But you don't see us trying to breed them out or harassing them because of their religion.

That is why Pakistan is a lessor nation than the U.S. and always will be...

#113 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-20 04:43 PM | Reply

I thought for a minute maybe you were J_TREMAIN's Allah...

I will neither confirm nor deny this statement.

#114 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 04:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#109

Fair enough, thought your post was weird but with now I understand it.

#115 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 04:47 PM | Reply

On one hand I'm sure I'd hate Ahmadi's because they surely smell, wipe their ass with their bare hand, and bugger animals, on the other hand I'm sure I'd hate the Ahmad's.

#116 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-20 04:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

------ and I got off on the wrong foot because of his 9/11 trolling when he first got here. Since then, I've come to appreciate his more subtle trolling. Plus when he first got here certain lefties instinctively kissed his ass no matter how horrible he was being and it was funny to watch him troll them until they all turned on him over the years. The stuff they actually took offense to wasn't nearly ad bad as the stuff they initially defended. Don't always agree with him, like in this case, but he's still entertaining if you don't take it too seriously.

#117 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-20 05:02 PM | Reply

"The day I wrote this piece, a small headline in a newspaper informed me that an Ahmadi lawyer, his wife and two-year-old child had been shot dead by gunmen at home, for being Ahmadis. Killings like this have happened so many times that the story wasn't even the main news. On May 28, 2010, some 90 Ahmadis were killed during attacks on two mosques in Lahore. No public official attended the funerals. You would think that the government, law enforcers and the courts would do something about such sustained acts of brutality. But they are too hard at work. I learned from another recent headline that a district court near Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, had sentenced three Ahmadi men to death for blasphemy."

Nuf said.

#118 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-20 06:01 PM | Reply

"'It's a beautiful thing': Ahmadi Muslims find strength at UK gathering"

www.theguardian.com

#119 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-20 06:33 PM | Reply

"Have a nice day.
Tremain out....
#13 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN"

But see Post Nos. 16, 18, 19, 21, 23, 27, 28, 29, 31, 32, 33, 36, 37, 38, 43, 44, 45, 47, 48, 54, 56, 57, 59, 63, 64, 65, 67, 72, 74, 75, 78, 79, 81, 84, 85, 87, 89, 92, and 101.

Out indeed.

#120 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-10-20 07:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Let us try not to conflate the two separate issues. 1) The despicable treatment of Ahmadis by the Pakistani people; and 2) how much fun it is ragging on that POS currently using the handle JTremain. Both issues are reason enough to post on this thread. But they are separate.

#121 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-20 07:31 PM | Reply

"Both issues are reason enough to post on this thread. But they are separate."

So true! Personally, I love to refute his arguments about his own nation which he should know about but apparently doesn't. I think the experience of living in Texas (ha ha) has dumbed him down about his native country.

#122 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-20 07:50 PM | Reply

Um..Danni,

He doesn't live in Texas..

#123 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-20 09:11 PM | Reply

I love to refute his arguments

If name-calling is now known as "refuting" then yeah.....

He doesn't live in Texas..

And you aren't here either.

You are still a hostage in Afghanistan, posting from inside the trunk of a taliban car, waiting for the Pakistan Army to shoot out the tires.

#124 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-21 01:24 AM | Reply

how much fun it is ragging on that POS currently using the handle JTremain.

And yet... transparent one..... I made you look like the dime store ambulance chaser that you are.

No wonder you lose all your cases.

Have fun trying to get a handle on me..... hahahahahahahahaha

#125 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-21 01:28 AM | Reply

s1.postimg.org

#126 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-10-21 01:32 AM | Reply

"I made you look like the dime store ambulance chaser that you are.
#125 | Posted by J_Tremain"

I thought he did criminal defense...?

#127 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-10-21 05:04 PM | Reply

127 comments on this thread. Yall got trolled hard.

Ahmadis are a highly educated sect RightOCenter, so the wife being a doctor has no doubts in my mind.

There is only one Ahmadi I think is trash. He's this guy named Kashif Chaudhry. I hate him even more cause we share the same first name. haha

#128 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-22 11:46 AM | Reply

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