Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, October 13, 2017

In the wake of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, most Americans -- regardless of party -- favor tightening restrictions on firearms, according to a new NPR/Ipsos poll. ... Eight-in-10 Americans told the pollsters they favor bans on assault weapons, high-capacity ammunition magazines and "bump stocks," an accessory used by the Las Vegas shooter that allows a semi-automatic rifle to fire like an automatic weapon. Eight-in-10 likewise said they favor a federal database to track all gun sales. On each of these questions, majorities of Democrats, independents and Republicans all were in favor of the restrictions to some degree.

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"But I have a right to shoot 100 rounds per second!!" - Weepy Assault Rifle Owners

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-13 04:37 PM | Reply

@therealdonaldtrump

Eight-in-10 Americans are LOSERS!

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-13 04:39 PM | Reply

Most want it, but .01% don't.

Guess who will win.

#3 | Posted by bat4255 at 2017-10-13 04:51 PM | Reply

America: Promoting Democracy Around the World While Failing to Implement it Here.

#4 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-13 04:53 PM | Reply

bans on assault weapons,

Shows how stupid most people are. You have to pass a hard background check and buy a special tax stamp to own one right now.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-13 05:34 PM | Reply

The spin effect.

Ipsos headline and lede: Majority of Americans Hold Incorrect Assumptions about Guns

In the latest Ipsos poll on behalf of NPR, a majority of Americans struggle with gun-related knowledge questions. Only 8% are able to answer 7 or more knowledge questions correctly, out of a total of 10. Americans' misperceptions lie in the estimated number of guns per capita (21% correct), the decline in gun deaths (20% correct), and whether or not the U.S. regularly conducts research on gun deaths (29% correct).

#6 | Posted by et_al at 2017-10-13 05:39 PM | Reply

Link: www.ipsos.com

#7 | Posted by et_al at 2017-10-13 05:42 PM | Reply

bans on assault weapons,

Shows how stupid most people are. You have to pass a hard background check and buy a special tax stamp to own one right now.

#5 | Posted by Sniper

So how'd the vegas shooter get his, stupid?

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-13 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shows how stupid most people are.

Especially people like you, who don't know the difference between an "assault weapon" and an "assault rifle".

Hint: They are not the same thing.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-10-13 05:55 PM | Reply

Shows how stupid most people are.
Especially people like you, who don't know the difference between an "assault weapon" and an "assault rifle".
Hint: They are not the same thing.

#9 | POSTED BY REDIAL

but the hole they leave in your body will be approximately the same...it's an argument without
a difference used only to confuse the subject

#10 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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the horse is out of the barn folks...a few hundred dead men women and children mean squat
when compared to the continued viability of a multi billion dollar business. capitalism at it's
finest, and if you disagree vehemently enough they'll shoot your ass

#11 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

78% of Americans do not own a gun.

19% of Americans own 50% of all the guns in America.

3% of Americans own the remaining 50% of all the guns in America.

www.washingtonpost.com

www.wpr.org

www.usatoday.com

www.theguardian.com

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-13 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Let's start with every gun the vegas shooter used?!

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-13 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-10-13 06:24 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1: All polls from left leaning sites; of course I believe them, I do, I do, I do -- just as I believed the polls that Hillary was a shoo-in for the presidency.

#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-13 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

NEWSWORTHY 1: All polls from left leaning sites; of course I believe them, I do, I do, I do -- just as I believed the polls that Hillary was a shoo-in for the presidency.

#14 | Posted by MSgt

Following the con man's lead, polls which are negative are fake, polls which are positive are gospel.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-13 07:15 PM | Reply

Shows how stupid most people are.
Especially people like you, who don't know the difference between an "assault weapon" and an "assault rifle".
Hint: They are not the same thing.
#9 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Redial demonstrating how stupid some people are; so focused on a minute technical difference between two weapons that he fails to see they are both designed to do one thing; kill.

#16 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-13 07:32 PM | Reply

Meanwhile Trump signed an executive order allowing police to load up on military equipment.

Doesn't take a genius to see how this is going to turn out when Democrats and Republicans have their pensions and entitlements cut off.

#17 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 07:38 PM | Reply

Meanwhile Trump signed an executive order allowing police to load up on military equipment.

Doesn't take a genius to see how this is going to turn out when Democrats and Republicans have their pensions and entitlements cut off.

#17 | Posted by Ray

Doesn't take a genius to see that idiots who think both parties are the same are idiots. If those idiots had voted against trump, trump wouldnt be able to load police up with military equipment.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-13 08:02 PM | Reply

Doesn't take a genius to see that idiots who think both parties are the same are idiots. If those idiots had voted against trump, trump wouldnt be able to load police up with military equipment.
#18 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You assume Hillary wouldn't do the same. I don't.
The militarization of the police has been an ongoing project under both parties.

#19 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You assume Hillary wouldn't do the same. I don't.
The militarization of the police has been an ongoing project under both parties.

#19 | Posted by Ray

Once again, you think you've got it all figured out, but you're just pathetically ignorant to anyone with a brain.

www.usatoday.com
Obama bans some military equipment sales to police.

Get that? Obama BANS it, trump removes the ban. If that's THE SAME to you, then you're dumb enough to be... well... a libertarian. Or anarchist. Or whatever you're calling it today.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-13 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Once again, you think you've got it all figured out, but you're just pathetically ignorant to anyone with a brain.

I knew about Obama. Hillary is not Obama.

Again, unlike you genius, I don't assume Hillary would continue the Obama policy. I don't know. And neither do you.

#21 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 08:34 PM | Reply

Doesn't take a genius to see that idiots who think both parties are the same are idiots. If those idiots had voted against trump, trump wouldnt be able to load police up with military equipment.
#18 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

They both worship the same god: the state. Two religions. Same god.

#22 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 08:37 PM | Reply

I knew about Obama. Hillary is not Obama.

Again, unlike you genius, I don't assume Hillary would continue the Obama policy. I don't know. And neither do you.

#21 | Posted by Ray

You said BOTH PARTIES. Then I proved you were wrong.

This is the problem with simplistic world views. They fall apart under the slightest scrutiny.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-13 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

12: If we decide to focus on the mental state of gun wielders, instead of the guns, perhaps we could focus on those who feel the need to have their own personal frickin' armory.

Like Stephen Paddock and his ilk, for example.

#24 | Posted by woe_is_W at 2017-10-13 09:04 PM | Reply

You said BOTH PARTIES. Then I proved you were wrong.

This? "The militarization of the police has been an ongoing project under both parties."

That's true. I don't believe for a second that it stopped under Obama.

This is the problem with simplistic world views. They fall apart under the slightest scrutiny.

I feel humbled by your eminence.

#25 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 09:08 PM | Reply

12: If we decide to focus on the mental state of gun wielders, instead of the guns, perhaps we could focus on those who feel the need to have their own personal frickin' armory.

Great idea. Let's start with the military.

#26 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 09:09 PM | Reply

26: huh?
There is no personal armory in the military, that I know of

#27 | Posted by woe_is_W at 2017-10-13 09:16 PM | Reply

That's true. I don't believe for a second that it stopped under Obama.

#25 | Posted by Ray

Did I say it stopped?

He pulled it in the right direction, now trump is pulling it in the wrong direction.

Obama pulled the drug war in the right direction, trump is pulling in the wrong direction.

Obama pulled private prisons in the right direction, trump is pulling in the wrong direction.

It takes a moron to say both sides are the same with evidence like that.

But because the dems aren't able to instantly make problems better, you say they're just like the republicans, who purposefully make them worse.

Demanding perfection is childish. Just like libertarianism.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-13 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

i live in gun central USA. every one around here has firearms. you have hunters and you have

the gun guys. the las vegas shooter was a gun guy. these people see a gun as a way to recapture

something they feel they've lost. if you were around a lot of gun guys one of the first things you'd

notice is that they're predominantly white men. 99% white men around here and it's a common

lament about what's been lost in the last 50 years. civil rights for women and people of color

are often sited as the reason "we're in the shape we're in". i can't tell you how many times i've

heard conversations like, well if he'd been usin' this instead of that he coulda' took out a lot

more, and from there the conversation gets into the weeds about rpm jacketed or soft nose etc.

if asked why would you talk about that, they explain it's all hypothetical. the vegas shooter had

some demons for sure but i truly believe he was just another fed up white guy who decided to

do a "mark david chapman". it'll not only continue to happen but you can bet there is more than

one out there that watched it and knows that, hell he coulda' taken out a bunch more than that.

we will see it again

#29 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 09:44 PM | Reply

"we will see it again"

We can count on that.

#30 | Posted by woe_is_W at 2017-10-13 09:48 PM | Reply

26: huh?
There is no personal armory in the military, that I know of
#27 | POSTED BY WOE_IS_W

That's not the point.

#31 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 09:52 PM | Reply

It takes a moron to say both sides are the same with evidence like that.
#28 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It takes a moron to believe anything politicans say.

Demanding perfection is childish. Just like libertarianism.

It takes a pathological person not see the evils in government.

#32 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 09:55 PM | Reply

It takes blinders to not see that libraries are good.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-13 10:54 PM | Reply

let me offer a suggestion to all you folks that want comprehensive gun control.

get together with 2 or 3 friends and go to a gun show. the more anti gun you are, the more
you need to do this.

you don't have to interact with any of the dealers..just cruise around and when you see some
people at an exhibit being given a demo explanation, stand there and listen.

check out the cross section of attendees subject just to visuals

you'll probably not change your view but you'll damn well have a better understanding of
why meaningful gun control is dead and stinkin'

#34 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 11:07 PM | Reply

The Second Amendment prohibits the most meaningful gun control measures.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-13 11:10 PM | Reply

The Second Amendment prohibits the most meaningful gun control measures.
#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

citizens united and a conservative supreme court. it's an amendment so it can be changed

#36 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 11:28 PM | Reply

But until it is changed, the most effective gun control measures are not legal.

The shootings will continue.

Might as well start celebrating them, since they are a reflection of our freedom guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-13 11:32 PM | Reply

if we were to fall into a serious depression i could see a trend by suicidal men who'd lost
everything, decide to go out in a blaze of glory..and take as many as possible with them

#38 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-14 12:08 AM | Reply

It's what the Founders wanted.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-14 12:28 AM | Reply

"3% of Americans own the remaining 50% of all the guns in America."

You're making the DR gun fondlers feel inadequate.

And the NRA thanks you for your motivational marketing strategy.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-14 01:08 AM | Reply

So how'd the vegas shooter get his, stupid?

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You are in a special class spe. He had no automatic rifles.

#41 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-14 12:55 PM | Reply

Especially people like you, who don't know the difference between an "assault weapon" and an "assault rifle".

Hint: They are not the same thing.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL

Enlighten me red.

#42 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-14 12:56 PM | Reply

Redial demonstrating how stupid some people are; so focused on a minute technical difference between two weapons that he fails to see they are both designed to do one thing; kill.

#16 | Posted by IndianaJones

So is a knife.

#43 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-14 12:58 PM | Reply

Obama bans some military equipment sales to police.

Get that? Obama BANS it, trump removes the ban. If that's THE SAME to you, then you're dumb enough to be... well... a libertarian. Or anarchist. Or whatever you're calling it today.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

o'bummer did it with an executive order. Trump just voided an executive order.

#44 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-14 01:00 PM | Reply

The Second Amendment prohibits the most meaningful gun control measures.

#35 | Posted by snoofy

The first amendment prohibits the most meaningful speech control measures.

#45 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-14 01:04 PM | Reply

citizens united and a conservative supreme court. it's an amendment so it can be changed

#36 | Posted by ABlock

You can only change amendments? That is news to me.

#46 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-14 01:05 PM | Reply

"3% of Americans own the remaining 50% of all the guns in America."

#40 | Posted by snoofy

And that number came right out of your hip pocket.

#47 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-14 01:07 PM | Reply

It takes a pathological person not see the evils in government.

#32 | Posted by Ray

And it takes a moron to not recognize the lesser of two evils.

NO GOVERNMENT isn't an option for anyone with a brain.

Might as well propose "immortality for all!"

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-14 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

o'bummer did it with an executive order. Trump just voided an executive order.

#44 | Posted by Sniper

No surprise you completely missed to point of that argument.

The point was dems and repubs are not the same.

Driving your car to a parking lot and driving it into the ocean are both DRIVING, but they are not the same.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-14 01:12 PM | Reply

"but the hole they leave in your body will be approximately the same...it's an argument without a difference used only to confuse the subject"

The hole would be the same regardless of whether you're using a single shot rifle or a machine gun. The rounds they use are exactly the same...most of the time. Most guns that create really big holes are bolt-action. That means single-shot for you dolts whose knowledge of guns comes out of Hollywood.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-14 01:17 PM | Reply

"but the hole they leave in your body will be approximately the same...it's an argument without a difference used only to confuse the subject"

The hole would be the same regardless of whether you're using a single shot rifle or a machine gun. The rounds they use are exactly the same...most of the time. Most guns that create really big holes are bolt-action. That means single-shot for you dolts whose knowledge of guns comes out of Hollywood.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-14 01:17 PM | Reply

"The Second Amendment prohibits the most meaningful gun control measures."

No it absolutely does not. Very wrong decisions by the SC prevent meaningful gun control measures. There is that phrase "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," is disregarded by super conservative Justices who come to the court with an agenda which is not in any sense "originalism." They claim that's what they are but they are liars and "corporate personhood" is the perfect example of something the original framers of the Constitution would never have stood for. The SC committed a coup in our country and we are suffering ever since, Mitch McConnell just extended the power of that coup by illegally refusing to allow President Obama to exercise his Presidential, Constitutional duty, of appoint a SC Justice. May Mitch McConnell burn in hell for it and other crimes he has committed as a politician. He is probably the worst person to ever sit as Senate Majority Leader. He definitely is in my lifetime.

#52 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-14 01:17 PM | Reply

It's also worth pointing out that our useless millennials, who came out largely in support of progressive causes, remain the demographic most skeptical of gun control measures.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-14 01:20 PM | Reply

There is that phrase "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," is disregarded by super conservative [SC] Justices ...

The entire Ninth Circuit, in this case, through it's historical analysis, can you say "originalism," concludes the right to bear arms belongs to the "people" not the militia. Must be that liberal agenda at work.

... illegally refusing to allow President Obama to exercise his Presidential, Constitutional duty, of appoint a SC Justice.

Illegally? How so? Can you point to a law or Senate rule that requires a vote on an appointment? President Obama exercised his power of appointment yet you wrongly assume that appointment equates confirmation. It doesn't.

That said, Merrick deserved a vote but was screwed out if it.

#54 | Posted by et_al at 2017-10-14 02:30 PM | Reply

"There is that phrase "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," is disregarded by super conservative [SC] Justices ..."

The first ten amendments, aka The Bill Of Rights, are rights of 'the individual' [aka We The People] [not rights of a militia]. When written the militia consisted of citizens [individuals] with their own arms, who came together to form a militia to fight. Afterwards they disband and return home - with their own arms.

#55 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-14 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NO GOVERNMENT isn't an option for anyone with a brain.
Might as well propose "immortality for all!"
#48 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

So you expect me to let morons like you tell me how to live my life. I don't think so.

#56 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 02:56 PM | Reply

"So you expect me to let morons like you tell me how to live my life. I don't think so."

You are told how to live your life by several levels of government already so why do you think a nut like you should be necessarily allowed to own a machine gun? I don't think so. Ray, do you oppose background checks?

#57 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-14 03:01 PM | Reply

You are told how to live your life by several levels of government already so why do you think a nut like you should be necessarily allowed to own a machine gun? I don't think so. Ray, do you oppose background checks?

Wrong question. I think the military should be dispanded, police work privatized and DC turned into a museum.

Giving politicians that much power is asking for abuses long underway. Government crimes against the people far surpasses street crime by several orders of magnititude.

#58 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 03:09 PM | Reply

Redial demonstrating how stupid some people are; so focused on a minute technical difference between two weapons...

Sorry, but the difference between a fully automatic weapon that is very difficult to obtain and a semi-automatic weapon you can buy at the hardware store is not a "minute technical difference".

#59 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-10-14 03:11 PM | Reply

Oh I wish the Government would enforce the existing settled illegal immigration laws like you libs want them to enforce new gun laws.

#60 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-14 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sorry, but the difference between a fully automatic weapon that is very difficult to obtain and a semi-automatic weapon you can buy at the hardware store is not a "minute technical difference".

#59 | POSTED BY REDIAL

my post on DT was, as far as i could tell, during the ensuing 8 hrs after the incident, the ONLY
posting that said in was most probably a bump stock equipped semi-auto.and that includes
every site i visited that was reporting on the incident
i can pull the post up if you're in doubt
i forget who it was that while holding forth on various aspects of gun trivia, assured me that it was in fact a fully auto. he could tell from the sound
since then the BS on different news outlets has been ridiculous...one of my particular favorites
is that he had placed himself in such a strategic location and had established "kill zones" that
he must have had military training. evidently none of these dumb ass have ever been deer
hunting.
believe me when i say that from his location, if he'd been truly competent and knowledgable
about firearms..semi auto, sub sonic ammo and a silencer and he could've dropped twice as
many.

#61 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-14 04:11 PM | Reply

All that is fascinating, but has nothing to do with my point.

That being that an assault rifle and an assault weapon are two different things.

#62 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-10-14 04:57 PM | Reply

#62 | POSTED BY REDIAL

yeah...and a dick and a -------- are two different things but have you noticed sometimes
it's hard to tell the difference

#63 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-14 05:04 PM | Reply

#62 | POSTED BY REDIAL

i apologize... what's your point. a rifle isn't a weapon? one will kill you and the other won't?
are you suggesting a legal definition that precludes ownership of one and not the other?

#64 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-14 05:08 PM | Reply

Redial demonstrating how stupid some people are; so focused on a minute technical difference between two weapons...

Sorry, but the difference between a fully automatic weapon that is very difficult to obtain and a semi-automatic weapon you can buy at the hardware store is not a "minute technical difference".

#59 | POSTED BY REDIAL

the point i was trying to make was maybe lost in my verbosity...the difference between a hard
to obtain full auto and a semi auto equipped with a bump stock is negligible at best

#65 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-14 05:24 PM | Reply

#65

Then address the technological evasion of the law. Make bump stocks subject to the NFA.

#66 | Posted by et_al at 2017-10-14 05:28 PM | Reply

Then address the technological evasion of the law. Make bump stocks subject to the NFA.
#66 | POSTED BY ET_AL

ryan said this week that it was worth discussing in the future..in other words, ain't gonna happen

#67 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-14 05:49 PM | Reply

...are you suggesting a legal definition that precludes ownership of one and not the other?

Exactly. Sniper (back in #5) said "You have to pass a hard background check and buy a special tax stamp to own one right now.", referring to assault weapons.

That is simply not true in most states. You can buy a pretend army gun in almost any gun store with no more effort than buying a handgun.

#68 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-10-14 06:37 PM | Reply

#68 | POSTED BY REDIAL

and you're exactly right...i know close to 20 guys down here who own over the counter AR's
and most have been equipped with bump stocks, totally legal...and consider the source (5)

#69 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-14 06:47 PM | Reply

#68 | POSTED BY REDIAL

$99 Bump Stock Works!....if you haven't seen this then check it out on youtube

#70 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-14 06:52 PM | Reply

Oh I wish the Government would enforce the existing settled illegal immigration laws like you libs want them to enforce new gun laws.

#60 | POSTED BY FEDERALIST

Why? Because that lets you avoid criticizing the corporations you worship while bagging on the immigrants who are responding to a market created by your corporate overlords?

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-15 03:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the problem with simplistic world views. They fall apart under the slightest scrutiny.

#23 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I agree with Ray on this point (about both parties being complicit). The only scrutiny I need is to look at who voted to pass the Patriot Act, which gave legality to the neurosis of sacrificing humanity's freedom for the illusion of safety. Both parties unanimously voted for it, and the subsequent related legislations.

The 'gun nuts' use this as a reason to 'stockpile guns' (i.e. the whole structure is crumbling). This is also why Trump was elected. These uneducated, unenlightened fools may not be able to articulate their fears or even to understand them, but, they can see that something is not right. On that point, they are correct.

Even though they do not have the ability to look at historical precedence, smart people can, and should, but do not. Just a casual look, by an intelligent person, would show you how every major empire has crumbled under similar circumstances. Gun ownership is incorrectly seen by them as being the last thing to stop that from happening. It is only ironic and coincidental that they are actually helping to feed the destruction of the empire.

#72 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-10-15 07:17 AM | Reply

"When written the militia consisted of citizens [individuals] with their own arms, who came together to form a militia to fight. Afterwards they disband and return home - with their own arms."

When written, it was a "duty" of all citizens to help hunt down runaway slaves, don't ever pretend that wasn't a significant part of the 2nd amendment or the entire Constitution.

#73 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-15 09:44 AM | Reply

"When written, it was a "duty" of all citizens to help hunt down runaway slaves, don't ever pretend that wasn't a significant part of the 2nd amendment or the entire Constitution."

If you have a problem with the constitution then work to change it.

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-10-15 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If you have a problem with the constitution then work to change it."

We did stupid. It was the 15th Amendment. We don't need to change the constitution we just need to enforce it.

#75 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-15 12:30 PM | Reply

"So you expect me to let morons like you tell me how to live my life."

Capitalism is a government program.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-15 12:33 PM | Reply

We did stupid. - #75 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-15 12:30 PM

Nice

#77 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-15 02:22 PM | Reply

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-13 06:24 PM
Now tell us what % of gun owners commit gun violence.
How about what % of guns are used illegally.

You said BOTH PARTIES. Then I proved you were wrong.
This is the problem with simplistic world views. They fall apart under the slightest scrutiny.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-13 08:57 PM
Then allow me to disprove that simplistic world view. President Clinton (I assume you'll agree is a Democrat),
militarized the police force. Obama undoing the actions of the last Dem president doesn't undo the fact that they were done by a Dem president.

The SC committed a coup in our country and we are suffering ever since, - #52 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-14 01:17 PM
This isn't the forum to discuss the ACA, danni.

#78 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-15 02:39 PM | Reply

"When written the militia consisted of citizens [individuals] with their own arms, who came together to form a militia to fight. Afterwards they disband and return home - with their own arms."
When written, it was a "duty" of all citizens to help hunt down runaway slaves, don't ever pretend that wasn't a significant part of the 2nd amendment or the entire Constitution.

#73 | POSTED BY DANNI

Slave patrols were emphatically not the militia. The states wanted to preserve their militias in case they had to defend themselves against a foreign power or against some president who became a tyrant. Thus the Second Amendment promised that the states could keep their well-regulated militias. (See a discussion of this in my article "A Well Regulated Militia.") Sometimes the militia acted as a slave patrol; sometimes militia service might include slave-patrol duty, but they were emphatically not the same thing.

Paul Finkelman (pssst he's a leftist)

#79 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-15 02:44 PM | Reply

I am sure I agree with Hartmann about many aspects of public policy and the need for significant and reasonable firearms regulation. I suspect he might agree with my writings on the pro-slavery aspects of the Constitution. But, sadly, good public policy will not be helped by constructing a factually incorrect and misleading history of the Second Amendment that does not exist, writing about slave rebellions that never happened and totally misunderstanding the nature of the ratification of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Paul Finkelman, Ph.D

#80 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-15 02:45 PM | Reply

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