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Friday, October 13, 2017

President Donald Trump plans to cut subsidy payments to insurers in his most aggressive move yet to undermine Obamacare after months of unsuccessful repeal efforts on Capitol Hill, according to two sources. The subsidies, which are worth an estimated $7 billion this year and are paid out in monthly installments, may stop almost immediately since Congress hasn't appropriated funding for the program. Scrapping the funding is likely to provide another jolt to the already fragile Obamacare markets. The impact may be cushioned by the fact that many insurers had priced next year's plans higher than they otherwise would have, fearing this decision. Others have already fled the Obamacare markets, which are set to begin open enrollment in Nov. 1 for the 2018 plan year.

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Insurers rely on the subsidies to reduce out-of-pocket costs for low-income Obamacare customers. They're still on the hook to provide the discounted rates to their members under the law, despite no longer receiving the federal funding.

Trump has threatened for months to cut off the payments, deriding them as a "bailout" for insurers. While Republican lawmakers complained the subsidies were never properly appropriated by Congress, many were wary of ending them suddenly.

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The Trump administration will also likely drop an appeal of a lawsuit contesting the legality of the payments, known as cost-sharing reductions. However, a group of Democratic state attorneys general will continue fighting in court to preserve the payments.

Some insurers are also likely sue the Trump administration over the failure to make payments that they believe they're entitled to under the Affordable Care Act.

Trump has argued that Democrats will take the blame if the markets implode, but polling strongly suggests the public will point the finger at Republicans for Obamacare problems under Trump's watch.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 10:28 PM | Reply

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen‏ @RosLehtinen

Cutting health care subsidies will mean more uninsured in my district. @potus promised more access, affordable coverage. This does opposite.
6:53 PM - 12 Oct 2017

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 10:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," she said. "In light of this analysis, the Government cannot lawfully make the cost-sharing reduction payments. ... The bailout of insurance companies through these unlawful payments is yet another example of how the previous administration abused taxpayer dollars and skirted the law to prop up a broken system."'

At least the NYTimes article is honest about the origination of the lack of payments:
The future of the payments has been in doubt because of a lawsuit filed in 2014 by House Republicans, who said the Obama administration was paying the subsidies illegally. Judge Rosemary M. Collyer of the United States District Court in Washington agreed, finding that Congress had never appropriated money for the cost-sharing subsidies.

#3 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-13 08:04 AM | Reply

Wait till premiums shoot up. Then people will really see his -------- of how he cares for the ordinary American for what it really was.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-13 08:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Like Corker, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen‏ is not running for re-election. Those seem to be the only Republicans who are able to speak truth to power:

www.miamiherald.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 08:52 AM | Reply

@3

Some of your fellow posters are going to get sick and die, AVIGDORE. Some of your neighbors too.

Donald Trump is the face of evil.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 09:06 AM | Reply

#6
No one gets out alive.

#7 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-13 09:16 AM | Reply

#7

You first.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 09:26 AM | Reply

The moronic, lying, dotard on Health Care:

We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump said, "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."

Trump boasted via Twitter, "I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid."

Kelly, "We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance."

Price, "I firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that we're going through."

"We have to get rid of the artificial lines around the states," Trump said during the second presidential debate.

On "60 Minutes" Trump said, "I am going to take care of everybody ... Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

Whether these grave offenses are because its too complicated for the moronic, lying, dotard to figure out or whether its just the usual deliberate policy designed to benefit the 1% and hurt the 99% doesn't matter. The effect is the same. More people will die earlier in their lives. The moronic, lying dotard doesn't really care.

#9 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-13 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"We have to get rid of the artificial lines around the states," Trump said during the second presidential debate

So much for the republican position on states rights

#10 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-13 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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#9 I just heard a Trump shill on TV saying Trump's move's on health care are his way of fulfilling campaign promises. BS! as your post demonstrates.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 10:05 AM | Reply

today Obamacare becomes officially Trumpcare.

#12 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-13 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

"today Obamacare becomes officially Trumpcare."

Excellent point. Obamacare isn't failing. Trumpcare is.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 10:29 AM | Reply

Exactly. Lets call this what it is from now on.

This is Trumpcare.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-13 10:38 AM | Reply

I personally know several people who depend on subsidies who voted for Trump. I honestly tried to warn them, they wouldn't listen.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-13 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For the record, he is screwing over the middle class so he can negotiate on getting rid of Obamacare. He is literally having to stop Obamacare from working to make the situation bad enough where people don't want it.

This is literally proof positive that Obamacare works. But we just got stuck with Trumpcare.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-13 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

On "60 Minutes" Trump said, "I am going to take care of everybody ... Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

Oh, he's taking care of everybody. Depends on what the definition of "taking care of" means. For dotard, it apparently means cramming a large rod up their ass and calling it sunshine.

#17 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-13 10:51 AM | Reply

"We have to get rid of the artificial lines around the states," Trump said during the second presidential debate
So much for the republican position on states rights

#10 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2017-10-13 09:55 AM | FLAG:

State's rights is just a useful slogan to get the morons to vote for the GOP.

#18 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-13 10:52 AM | Reply

Once again republicans are following their often repeated playbook

1) choose a program people rely on
2) reduce funding for the program
3) repeatedly Loudly proclaim the program is failing
4) repeatedly loudly proclaim that the program is the cause of our debt
5) wait for the rubes to forget they cut funding
6) get the rubes to put them in office for "change"
7) make the change by defunding the program even further
8) use the money defunded from the program to increase funding to programs they like
9) pretend they merely obeyed the will of the people
10) pick another program

#19 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-13 11:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Millions upon millions are gonna die! Their bodies will pile up in the streets 2-stories high!!" - Dopey Dem Diehards

Here you go, nailbiters: thinkprogress.org

A left leaning article without the drama to calm your frayed nerves - 9,595 people - 17 counties nationwide.

Everybody take a deep breath.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-13 11:04 AM | Reply

And just to be clear, there's only 2 reasons you live in Nevada anyways: You have a gambling problem or you're wanted in another state.

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-13 11:06 AM | Reply

Everybody take a deep breath.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism

That's trump's taint you're sniffing.

Just buy a MAGA hat already.

You're now defending KILLING poor people, so racists can get the black guy cooties off of health care.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-13 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some of your fellow posters are going to get sick and die, AVIGDORE. Some of your neighbors too. - #6 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 09:06 AM

What you are suggesting is the elimination of separate branches of the government. If the Executive branch can spend whatever monies they like, in whatever way they like, without requirements of laws or budgets, then you are just arguing for the elimination of the US as a democratic republic. Yes, people are going to die. They do every day. That is not a sufficient reason to fundamentally change the US into a totalitarian state. And I'm betting, if you stop and think about who the head of that state would be currently, you'd not call for it either. Need a wall built? Just issue the order. Need all undocumented immigrants rounded up? Just issue the order. Need your own personal police force? Just issue the order. Need to pay for people's health-care? Just issue the order.

The legislative sets the budget. They have authorized a budget of $0 for this.
The judicial agrees that without a budgeted payment, it is not legal to make the payments.
You want the executive to ignore those things.

#23 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-13 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#20

9575 unimportant people. Mixed in with the Puerto Ricans, no one will even notice them.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 11:12 AM | Reply

The legislative sets the budget. They have authorized a budget of $0 for this.
The judicial agrees that without a budgeted payment, it is not legal to make the payments.
You want the executive to ignore those things.

#23 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Or get his party to authorize a budget for it... He is the president I thought.

#25 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-13 11:13 AM | Reply

#23

What I'm suggesting is that people do the right thing. Not patch together arguments to justify each and every screwing of the ordinary American public.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 11:14 AM | Reply

"Millions upon millions are gonna die! Their bodies will pile up in the streets 2-stories high!!" - Dopey Dem Diehards
Here you go, nailbiters: thinkprogress.org
A left leaning article without the drama to calm your frayed nerves - 9,595 people - 17 counties nationwide.
Everybody take a deep breath.

#20 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

That literally has NOTHING to do with what Trump just did.

Honestly, why even post it? Trump's move is going to raise premiums nationwide. Millions and millions aren't going to die. But its going to mess up some lives. And yes, some people will inevitably die from not having insurance. Others will simply suffer medically or financially.

All this caused by a President trying to hurt the American people so he can get his way.

You have to be down right retarded to be okay with this.

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-13 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23

Donald Trump is a monster and his motivations are that of a monster.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 11:15 AM | Reply

Once again republicans are following their often repeated playbook
1) choose a program people rely on
2) reduce funding for the program, cut taxes on the 1%
3) repeatedly Loudly proclaim the program is failing
4) repeatedly loudly proclaim that the program is the cause of our debt
5) wait for the rubes to forget they cut funding
6) get the rubes to put them in office for "change"
7) make the change by defunding the program even further, cut taxes again for the 1%
8) use the money defunded from the program to increase funding to programs they like, and cut taxes for the 1%
9) pretend they merely obeyed the will of the people
10) pick another program

#19 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2017-10-13 11:02 AM | FLAG:

Pretty accurate, but I added some steps you missed.

#29 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-13 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sheep pretends to be a Bernie Bro, but if you read what Bernie says on this, and any number of other topics, you will see that Sheep undercuts Bernie's statements much of the time. Sheep's points, do dovetail nicely, however, with Trump and the Kremlin's talking points. Go figure.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Or get his party to authorize a budget for it... He is the president I thought.

#25 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-10-13 11:13 AM | REPLY | FLAG

He couldn't get his Trumpcare through Congress even with McConnell cheating with the rules to make it easy to pass because it was too nasty of a plan while simultaneously being not nasty enough for the GOTP.

#31 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-13 11:19 AM | Reply

You're now defending KILLING poor people, so racists can get the black guy cooties off of health care.
#22 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

My god, Speaks, talk about projection and overreaction. Did you READ the article? no. because it disturbs your "Die!Die!Die!" narrative.

We're talking about insurance and who pays for it. Here, read this- www.dailywire.com - 6.5 Million people paid the fine. They're uninsured because they chose to be. They'd rather buy sneakers, cell phones, and flats screens.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-13 11:19 AM | Reply

You have to be down right retarded to be okay with this.
#27 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

The only thing I'm okay with is single-payer. Everything else is simply a discussion about who will pay insurance companies and how much.

Until we eliminate the middle man (Insurance co.'s) and regulate healthcare costs (providers, healthcare behemoths) we're just wasting time.

InCo's and HCP's have rigged the system. period. They've cornered the market and fixed the prices to their advantage.

Stop drinking the koolaid.

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-13 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Senator Bernie Sanders Discusses Health Care, Puerto Rico And Other Issues

With the U.S. Senate is on recess this week, there has been significant activity from the White House. Vermont Independent Senator Bernie Sanders tells WAMC's North Country Bureau Chief Pat Bradley he is particularly concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order to roll back the Affordable Care Act.

"What Trump has consistently been trying to do is sabotage the Affordable Care Act in every way that he can. And then by making it more difficult for people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act, by cutting back on the kinds of revenue that is coming in through the individual mandate not enforcing that, then he goes around the country and he says oh the Affordable Care Act is collapsing. And that's been his modus operandi from day one. Short term what we have got to do is improve the Affordable Care Act."

wamc.org

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 11:28 AM | Reply

Sheeple: "Until we eliminate the middle man (Insurance co.'s) and regulate healthcare costs (providers, healthcare behemoths) we're just wasting time."

Bernie: "Short term what we have got to do is improve the Affordable Care Act."

See the difference?

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you believe that Trump is paying attention to Bernie Sanders, and looking for ways to implement what Bernie Sanders suggests?

Bernie's plan was single payer. Hillary's plan was fix Obamacare. Trump's plan was dismantle O-care.

Trump won, because DNC fumbled the ball. Now you want to scream about Obamacare? It's over. Obamacare is history.

Because Corky, you, and all your cohorts tanked single-payer as "pie-in-the-sky" impossible. Boy oh boy, don't you wish you could go back?

#36 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-13 11:41 AM | Reply

revenue that is coming in through the individual mandate not enforcing that - #34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 11:28 AM

Do you agree that presidents have discretionary enforcement, or are you opposed to DACA?

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-13 11:44 AM | Reply

Bernie: "Short term what we have got to do is improve the Affordable Care Act."
See the difference?

#35 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

This is one of the things I disagree with Sanders about. In the short term (until at least the end of next year and probably significantly longer), Republicans have control of government and are never going to improve the ACA.

Since nothing can be done to help the ACA in the short term, progressives/liberals/Democrats should be heavily pushing for a much better idea for the long term (AKA universal healthcare). In the end it will be ideas and actions that get progressives back in power. NOT short term fixes, finger pointing and capitulation.

#38 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-10-13 11:45 AM | Reply

"Bernie's plan was single payer. Hillary's plan was fix Obamacare. Trump's plan was dismantle O-care."

She wanted to fix Obamacare, including by lowering the age of Medicare eligibility to 55. This would have made the move toward single player easier because more people would have been on it and would say they liked it.

"Because Corky, you, and all your cohorts tanked single-payer as "pie-in-the-sky" impossible. Boy oh boy, don't you wish you could go back?"

Pie-in-the-sky right now, not forever. The more people who bought into the idea that health care is a right, rather than a privilege, and the more people on Medicare, the easier it would have been to override GOP objections and transition to universal health care.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 12:05 PM | Reply

Because Corky, you, and all your cohorts tanked single-payer as "pie-in-the-sky" impossible. Boy oh boy, don't you wish you could go back?

You think that if Bernie was president right now, we'd be talking about single-payer? I'd think we'd be talking about what shoring up the ACA until the Dems were in charge of all branches of govt again.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#38 I don't see why Dems can't do both. Bernie is certainly trying to.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 12:08 PM | Reply

I don't see why Dems can't do both.

#41 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Because, in the short term, the Democrats and Bernie are powerless.

#42 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-10-13 12:12 PM | Reply

On "60 Minutes" Trump said, "I am going to take care of everybody ... Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

Yeah but last week he said he didn't want to fix people's back problems.
If you want Trump to be nice to you, you have to be nice to him.
It's probably the NFL's fault, for kneeling too much.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-13 12:24 PM | Reply

#36

Trump won because he had massive Russian assistance. No Russia, no Trump. It was only 7O,O00 votes in places the Trump people told them they should go.

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 12:35 PM | Reply

So it turns out that if you wanted to keep health care functioning in this country, you had to vote for Clinton.

Who ever could have guessed, especially after Trump promised over and over again to repeal Obamacare?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-13 12:35 PM | Reply

The legislative sets the budget. They have authorized a budget of $0 for this.
The judicial agrees that without a budgeted payment, it is not legal to make the payments.
You want the executive to ignore those things.

#23 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2017-10-13 11:11 AM

Yes indeed the REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED legislature DELIBERATELY authorized a budget of $0 for this.

The REPUBLICANS are wholly responsible for every penny of rate increases

#46 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-13 01:10 PM | Reply

Trump won, because DNC fumbled the ball. Now you want to scream about Obamacare? It's over. Obamacare is history.
Because Corky, you, and all your cohorts tanked single-payer as "pie-in-the-sky" impossible. Boy oh boy, don't you wish you could go back?

#36 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

This is one of the greatest re-writes of history you've posted on here.

Did you miss all of 2016? Are you really dumb enough to believe Bernie shouting about the ACA on Steroids would have gotten him elected?!

#47 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-13 04:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47 There's no doubt he would have gotten ALL the Bernie voters, Hillary voters, and over half the independents and smothered Trump.

Hillary was rejected because she's a lying sack of Wall Street. But because DNC, we have Trump.

#48 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-13 05:14 PM | Reply

#48

No Russia, no Trump.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 05:45 PM | Reply

what a truly bizarre discussion this is to be having in the united states in the 21st century.
health care for the citizenry made available subject to the artificial rules of manipulated
capitalism. this puts a dollar figure on every ones life.
i would ask anyone on this site, if you can explain why a need for health insurance or for-profit
hospitals exists

#50 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No Russia, no Trump.
#49 | POSTED BY ZED

Wonder who you Dems going to blame when you get trashed during the mid-terms.

#51 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 09:19 PM | Reply

#51

Are you going to start voting, RAY?

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 09:38 PM | Reply

I think Donald is a traitor. Every week that goes by we can be more sure. Hiding such facts to get a transient political advantage is itself treason.

I find amusement in your Rayish sense of political correctness.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 09:42 PM | Reply

Are you going to start voting, RAY?
#52 | POSTED BY ZED

I've been voting none-of-the-above for decades.

I think Donald is a traitor. Every week that goes by we can be more sure. Hiding such facts to get a transient political advantage is itself treason.

That would include the whole political establishment.

I find amusement in your Rayish sense of political correctness.

As the only anarchist on DR, it gives me a unique perspective.

#54 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 09:50 PM | Reply

As the only anarchist on DR, it gives me a unique perspective.
#54 | POSTED BY RAY

i'll take you at your word and ask, do you see the french solution as ultimately the only way
to address the wealth disparity that we face today. i do

#55 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 10:04 PM | Reply

Anarchy is not a unique perspective, RAY. Many people who can't fit into civilized life adopt it.

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 10:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Anarchy is not a unique perspective, RAY. Many people who can't fit into civilized life adopt it.
#56 | POSTED BY ZED

I've adapted quite well thank you.
It's because I am civilized that see the evils and the destructive power of government.
To give so much power to so few is building up to a disaster you can't imagine.

#57 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 10:13 PM | Reply

i'll take you at your word and ask, do you see the french solution as ultimately the only way
to address the wealth disparity that we face today. i do
#55 | POSTED BY ABLOCK

It is my understanding that Macron's popularity is sinking fast. The Eurozone's days are numbered.

As for wealth disparity, the wealthy can afford the kind of government protection that protects and expands their wealth. The rest can't afford the price of entry.

#58 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-13 10:19 PM | Reply

Anarchists are exactly that. They attach as parasites to existing systems. Parasitism is good work, when you can find it.

#59 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-13 10:25 PM | Reply

#58 | POSTED BY RAY

that's what i figured...screw macron', i'm talking madam defarge circa 1785

#60 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 10:28 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY ZED

the united states was founded by anarchists and furnished the template for the french a
few years later. you can only be pushed so hard. eventually you either shoulder the yoke
or try to implement change

#61 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-13 10:48 PM | Reply

"To give so much power to so few is building up to a disaster you can't imagine."

"Give."

What gives someone like Trump power in the first place? Money.

So you're blaming Trump's daddy.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-13 11:30 PM | Reply

Only in Trump world is this considered winning:

Sam Stein‏ @samstein

per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums 20% by 2018 and 25% by 2020. Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,
6:52 PM - 12 Oct 2017

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-14 12:40 AM | Reply

Yep

#64 | Posted by mikebank at 2017-10-14 12:46 AM | Reply

Anarchists are exactly that. They attach as parasites to existing systems. Parasitism is good work, when you can find it.
#59 | POSTED BY ZED

Let me guess. Like the wealthy, you live off of taxpayers like me who work in the market economy.

#65 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 06:23 AM | Reply

What gives someone like Trump power in the first place? Money.
So you're blaming Trump's daddy.
#62 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

"To give so much power to so few is building up to a disaster you can't imagine."

Few is plural. Guess again genius.

#66 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 06:29 AM | Reply

#65

I work, RAY. Remember work?

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 06:50 AM | Reply

I seriously wonder about Trump's negotiation skills. His attempt to bring dems to the bargaining table isn't going to work by sabotaging the ACA won't work because repubs control all the levers of power. People in pain aren't going to look to the powerless for help. They are going to look to those with the power to relieve their suffering. Dems can't relieve their suffering. A competent negotiator would know that.

Furthermore, the right's view of the left is that they are a bunch of "bleeding heart liberals"; that liberals lack mental toughness. They don't understand that liberal positions are based on a sense of fairness as espoused in the constitution, scientific and empirical evidence. They don't understand that liberal positions have been won by decades of sustained effort and will not be undermined by a blip on the timeline.

Trump has seriously under-estimated the mental toughness of the dems and their ability to stay united.

#68 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-10-14 07:02 AM | Reply

Trump has seriously under-estimated the mental toughness of the dems and their ability to stay united.

Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-10-14 07:02 AM | Reply

The 2016 Democratic primary says that's balderdash.

#69 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-14 07:17 AM | Reply

Yes indeed the REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED legislature DELIBERATELY authorized a budget of $0 for this.
The REPUBLICANS are wholly responsible for every penny of rate increases
#46 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-13 01:10 PM

They certainly hold their share of the blame, but you need to spread it around a bit to the folks who wrote and passed this law that allows for discretionary spending be used to fund it. Maybe show them a definition of the word 'discretionary'. Also, no ACA, no rate increase for lack of ACA funds. They either assumed the would always be in power, or that it would be too painful for the House to perform its duty.

#70 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-14 07:30 AM | Reply

The 2016 Democratic primary says that's balderdash.

It's one thing to fight within the family and something altogether different to fight outside the family.

#71 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-10-14 08:08 AM | Reply

I work, RAY. Remember work?
#67 | POSTED BY ZED

You never did say what you do for a living.
Judging by your comments, you have a government job - a complete waste of taxpayer's money.

#72 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 08:42 AM | Reply

This will require the democrats to come to the table and begin actually trying to fix healthcare instead of taking illegal funding to subsidize the program.

Wow, we have a president who is actually doing his job, sitting it back in the lap of congress to really do their job. Dems didn't count on this, it is a total surprise, trump is making them do their jobs, both republicans and democrats.

#73 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-10-14 08:49 AM | Reply

#73

God, you think that Super Tramp is sane.

#74 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 10:23 AM | Reply

#72

Work in the private sector, my man. If you came here more often you'd know what.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 10:25 AM | Reply

#73

Interesting that Three Dimensional Chess Trump is always waiting to be asserted by his cult whenever he does anything spectacularly destructive.

Let me clue you in. For Donald Trump you are a meat puppet waiting to be collateral damage.

#76 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 10:31 AM | Reply

Work in the private sector, my man. If you came here more often you'd know what.
#75 | POSTED BY ZED

I Just gave you a chance to tell me and you didn't take it.

#77 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 11:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Judging by your comments, you have a government job - a complete waste of taxpayer's money.

#72 | POSTED BY RAY

Tell that to all the people being rescued and supported after all the hurricanes and wildfires. Tell that to all the people using our roads and airports. Tell that to all the people depending on accurate weather reports to be able to get to their jobs and do them safely or to escape to safety when disaster heads their way. Tell that to our troops who are the watchers on the wall keeping you safe so you can tell them how worthless they are. Tell that to all the people receiving government benefits they need to survive... like yourself.

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-14 11:30 AM | Reply

"Trump ending subsidies increases premiums 20% by 2018 and 25% by 2020"

Rand Paul let the cat out of the bag in a TV interview yesterday, admitting private insurance has been seeing cost increases of 2%-3%.

When costs go up 3%, but prices go up 23%, it's because actuaries have to price for unforeseen, cataclysmic events. You know...like the government stopping the subsidies on a whim, or creating a new pathway for McInsurance.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-14 11:34 AM | Reply

"This will require the democrats to come to the table and begin actually trying to fix healthcare instead of taking illegal funding to subsidize the program."

Don't kid yourself. Democrats are not going to help the narcissistic manchild tear down Obama's legacy legislation. Republicans don't need Democrats as they control all the levers of government. Trump and the republicans owns the ACA now and will take full responsibility for destroying it.

#80 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-14 11:38 AM | Reply

Tell that to all the people being rescued and supported after all the hurricanes and wildfires. Tell that to all the people using our roads and airports. Tell that to all the people depending on accurate weather reports to be able to get to their jobs and do them safely or to escape to safety when disaster heads their way. Tell that to our troops who are the watchers on the wall keeping you safe so you can tell them how worthless they are. Tell that to all the people receiving government benefits they need to survive... like yourself.
#78 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

All readily available if not supplanted by forced tribute.

Our troops keep us safe? You must have been born yesterday.

#81 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 11:53 AM | Reply

Our troops keep us safe? You must have been born yesterday.
#81 | POSTED BY RAY

Someone must be doing something right. You were born like a hundred years ago yet you are not forced to speak German or worship allah yet.

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-14 12:07 PM | Reply

#77

Yeah, well. I just gave you a chance not to be a jackass.

#83 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 12:10 PM | Reply

"All readily available if not supplanted by forced tribute."

Complete Bullshat.

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-14 12:27 PM | Reply

Someone must be doing something right. You were born like a hundred years ago yet you are not forced to speak German or worship allah yet.
#82 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

As naive as a child. What else can I say.

#85 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 12:28 PM | Reply

#85

You'll find something.

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 12:31 PM | Reply

"government job - a complete waste of taxpayer's money."

Capitalism is a government program.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-14 12:36 PM | Reply

Capitalism is a government program.
#87 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It is now. That's why it's collapsing under the weight of corruption, taxes, laws and regulations.

#88 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 12:49 PM | Reply

"Wow, we have a president who is actually doing his job, sitting it back in the lap of congress to really do their job. Dems didn't count on this, it is a total surprise, trump is making them do their jobs, both republicans and democrats."

President Obama let Congress do their job when they passed ACA, then he let the SC do their job when they jusdged the Constitutionality of it. Now President Trump is not allowing them to do their job, they just voted on repealing ACA and didn't have the votes to do it so he is trying to overrule Congress like a dictator. Trump is saying, you did your job, but I don't like your decision so I am going to undermine the program and take healthcare away from millions on nothing more than a technicality. And you are going to nod your head in approval because you aren't capable of understanding what is going on around you.

#89 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-14 01:55 PM | Reply

"It is now. That's why it's collapsing under the weight of corruption, taxes, laws and regulations."

Except for the little fact that it wasn't collapsing, was actually solvent, growing and becoming more and more popular with the population.

#90 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-14 01:57 PM | Reply

Except for the little fact that it wasn't collapsing, was actually solvent, growing and becoming more and more popular with the population.

#90 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-10-14 01:57 PM | FLAG: Questionable.

By Tom Howell Jr. - The Washington Times - Monday, June 12, 2017
Nearly 2 million people haven't paid for Obamacare coverage they selected during the 2017 enrollment season that ended on Jan. 31, the Trump administration said Monday in a report that argues Americans are clamoring for more affordable options.
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said only 10.3 million of the 12.2 million people who signed up on the Affordable Care Act's exchanges had paid the premiums necessary to keep their coverage as of March 15.

#91 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-14 02:04 PM | Reply

"By Tom Howell Jr. - The Washington Times"

Nuf said. You can't actually believe anything in that rag. Those who do have an excuse, they're f*****g stupid.

#92 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-14 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#92 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-10-14 02:09 PM | FLAG: Funny, as that is exactly what I feel about The Washington {com}Post!

#93 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-14 02:37 PM | Reply

Except for the little fact that it wasn't collapsing, was actually solvent, growing and becoming more and more popular with the population.
#90 | POSTED BY DANNI

Only when you trust official statistics. Never a trustworthy source.

Since I'm famous for my stock market predictions. I'll make a prediction.
Stock prices are going to dizzying heights. Not because the economy is doing well. The smart money is getting into stocks because debt intstruments are getting too risky. Our economy is living on debt, not real growth.

#94 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 02:41 PM | Reply

Both the legislative AND the judicial branch have determined that these unfunded payments aren't legal. Can you all please explain WHY you want this president to have the power to ignore both the legislative and judicial to make these payments?

"a lawsuit filed in 2014 by House Republicans, who said the Obama administration was paying the subsidies illegally. Judge Rosemary M. Collyer of the United States District Court in Washington agreed, finding that Congress had never appropriated money for the cost-sharing subsidies."

Yes, the Obama administration appealed, but then they were replaced with a new administration who will drop that appeal. Appeal or no, the legislative and the judicial say he doesn't have the legal authority to make the payments. Why do you want THIS president to gain MORE power over the will of BOTH other branches of government?

#95 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-14 02:42 PM | Reply

"Yes, the Obama administration appealed, but then they were replaced with a new administration who will drop that appeal. Appeal or no, the legislative and the judicial say he doesn't have the legal authority to make the payments."

You are pretending that the subsidies were not mentioned in the legislation passed by Congress which created ACA which was reviewed by SC and allowed to continue in operation. Your argument is crap. The SC approved the ACA whether you like it or not and now states will go to court to prevent Trump from destroying it. This will be a long court battle which Trump will, as usual, lose. Congress had the power to destroy ACA and refused to do it now Trump is trying to overrule Congress and you think that is Constitutional. Hey what about those Russian sanctions approved by an act of Congress? You won't say anything about that because you would have to admit that Trump is acting against the will of Congress.

#96 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-14 02:50 PM | Reply

"Since I'm famous for my stock market predictions. I'll make a prediction. "

The word is infamous.

"As naive as a child. What else can I say.
#85 | POSTED BY RAY" /

Are you alive? And are you not entertained? You said you were healthy and happy. So healthy you don't even need health care! Lucky you. Sounds like America has fulfilled its contract with you.

Now how about trying to give a helping hand to others and pay respects to the ones who came before you. And say a prayer for the ones to follow.

Take a minute give it a breath. Give it a thought. Your higher self will tell you what you need to do before you go.

#97 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-14 03:39 PM | Reply

Sounds like America has fulfilled its contract with you.

No such thing as a contract. I started out not trusting government when I was young. Sixty years of experience only reinfored that early observation.

Now how about trying to give a helping hand to others and pay respects to the ones who came before you.

I work in manufacturing. That's how I do my part.

On occassions when I'm in a playful mood, I come here. I took me a while to get over the shock of how badly you liberals think.

#98 | Posted by Ray at 2017-10-14 03:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This will be a long court battle which Trump will, as usual, lose...Hey what about those Russian sanctions approved by an act of Congress? You won't say anything about that because you would have to admit that Trump is acting against the will of Congress.

#96 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-14 02:50 PM

What court cases has he lost as president? Try not to count things that have been overturned, please.

The president also has discretionary enforcement of the laws, unless you disagree with President Obama's actions on DACA. If you think the president can ignore (or defer) enforcing the laws for undocumented immigrants to our country, then either you ALSO agree that the president can defer sanctions against Russia, or you're a huge hypocrite. At least be consistent.

#99 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-14 08:19 PM | Reply

EXCLUSIVE: Chelsea Clinton runs from questions about handing back Harvey Weinstein's tainted $250,000 donations - and her father deploys security to keep the Press away

$250,000 could buy many people health insurance.

www.dailymail.co.uk

#100 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-14 08:23 PM | Reply

#100

So weak it makes me think you must be ill.

#101 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 08:38 PM | Reply

#99.

Donald the Russian defers Russian sanctions. Quite natural.

#102 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 08:39 PM | Reply

#100

Chelsea Clinton? Really? That's all you've got?

#103 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 08:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump is not the president. He appears to hate his own countrymen. As time goes by, this is also apparent concerning his defenders.

#104 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-14 08:45 PM | Reply

.......and where's Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman when you REALLY need them???? Talking all that baloney about Obamacare......."Death Panels" and all those terrible things.....etc....etc. The only reps. that are coming out with the truth are the ones that
are retiring......

#105 | Posted by saginawmi at 2017-10-14 11:30 PM | Reply

"No such thing as a contract. "

So what exactly do you think the Constitution is?

Just a piece of paper?

It is a contract between the government and the People.

#106 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-15 12:09 PM | Reply

"If you think the president can ignore (or defer) enforcing the laws for undocumented immigrants to our country, then either you ALSO agree that the president can defer sanctions against Russia, or you're a huge hypocrite. At least be consistent."

The stupidity of your comment risks unpatriotic ideas. Allowing the children of undocumented aliens who brought their young children here to be compared to Russian intervention in our elections is beyond belief. Nobody is that stupid, unless you actually are, in which case I feel sorry for you and everyone in your familty. No one should have to deal with that level of stupidity. It's just sad. Sober up a*****e.

#107 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-15 12:35 PM | Reply

"The stupidity of your comment risks unpatriotic ideas. Allowing the children of undocumented aliens who brought their young children here to be compared to Russian intervention in our elections is beyond belief."

But, interestingly it is exactly what a Russian tool would say in an attempt to deflect and divide us with.

#108 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-15 12:48 PM | Reply

Our Russian President does worry more about young DACA beneficiaries than he does about Russian interference into our elections. Tells us everything we need to know. Personally, I'd accept millions of DACA young folks who work, go to school, obey our laws, try to be good "citizens" over the turncoat pieces of crap who surround the President and including the Russian President.
Also, BTW, Kris Kobach should be in prison. He should be reviled by everyone who believes in democracy. I will be repeating this often, everywhere, til it is common knowledge. Because it is the truth.

#109 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-15 12:59 PM | Reply

"I work in manufacturing." - #98 | Posted by Raystradamus at 2017-10-14 03:58 PM

You work in manufacturing manure, Raystradamus.

That's how you do your part.

#110 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-15 09:41 PM | Reply

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