Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, October 12, 2017

President Donald Trump lashed out at Puerto Rico, where 84 percent of the territory remains without power after Hurricane Maria, warning residents on Thursday that he may abandon relief efforts. Trump's latest attack appeared to blame the Puerto Rican government for laying the groundwork for a difficult recovery. He also quoted Sharyl Attkinson, a TV host with the conservative Sinclair Broadcast Group, to criticize Puerto Rico's "total lack of accountability."

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Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Maria first made landfall, many residents say they have yet to see signs of federal aid, and more than 6,000 people are living in shelters. Despite the ongoing devastation, Trump has frequently lauded the federal government's response to the crisis as "amazing" and "tremendous."

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) responded to Trump's tweets on Thursday, asking why the president treats Puerto Ricans differently from other Americans struck by natural disasters.

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So I guess those lazy Puerto Ricans will soon find themselves on their own because why would they expect their federal government to continue to help them rebuild a complete island and infrastructure destroyed by unprecedented natural disasters at a time when taxes need to be cut for millionaires and billionaires?

And pay off your debts to Wall Street you deadbeats!

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-12 08:48 AM | Reply

And for those who didn't know, this was one of organized labor's response to the ongoing crisis in Puerto Rico: Labor Relief Flight

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-12 08:54 AM | Reply

Donald's pissed because no one treats him as good over PR. So he'll act as good in another way, by ruining people.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-12 08:55 AM | Reply

Good equals god, you arrogant machine.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-12 08:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I hope the Puerto Ricans who left the island and moved to FL turn the state blue.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 09:04 AM | Reply

Let's note for context that as of yesterday, more than 80% of Puerto Rico is still without power, three weeks after Hurricane Maria hit. What's more, roughly a third of the island's American residents do not yet have access to clean water.

It's against this backdrop that the president thought it'd be a good idea to blame Puerto Ricans and starting laying the groundwork for a weaker response to the island's disaster.

"We will be with you every single day," at least until Donald Trump feels like he's seen enough.

All of this, of course, only adds insult to injury – in a rather literal sense. In the immediate aftermath of the deadly storm, the president focused his attention on money the island owes to Wall Street. In the days that followed, Trump lashed out at San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz and blasted Puerto Ricans as wanting "everything to be done for them."

The morning of his visit to the island, the president said Puerto Ricans "have to give us more help." After arriving, Trump chided locals for hurting the U.S. budget and told them they hadn't suffered a "real catastrophe."

It culminated in the president admonishing the "politically motivated ingrates" on the island.

As best as I can tell, he's made no similar comments about any other Americans who've suffered from natural disasters this year.

Steve Benen

Why doesn't he just call them "island n-words" and get over with it. His base gets the message already. FEMA stayed active in New Orleans for years after Katrina. Puerto Ricans should start preparing for FEMA's withdrawal after 3 weeks?

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-12 09:08 AM | Reply

Maybe Russia expressed interest in some real-estate?

#7 | Posted by Lohocla at 2017-10-12 09:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1


Samantha Bee Breaks Down America's 100-Year History Of Screwing Puerto Rico
www.huffingtonpost.com

...The American government's slow response to the humanitarian crisis in Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria is actually nothing new.

On Wednesday's "Full Frontal," Samantha Bee explained that the way President Donald Trump "helped" storm-ravaged Puerto Ricans followed a 100-year-old pattern.

"If you're shocked by this, then you are not Puerto Rican," said Bee. "Truth is, we've been treating them like the unwelcome nephew under America's stairs for more than a century."

Aided by "Hamilton" star Javier Muñoz, who has family on the island, Bee then dissected the island's history of "getting screwed with their pantaloones on by the United States." ...


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-10-12 10:12 AM | Reply

You think White Supremacist in Chief was actually going to help brown people once it was out of the news cycle?

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-12 10:14 AM | Reply

He's a child and Puerto Rico is not giving him his participation ribbon fast enough.

#10 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-12 11:05 AM | Reply

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He told Congress that the power of the purse is in the House and it's up to them to use it.

#11 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-10-12 11:19 AM | Reply

Donald Trump is mean and crazy. Maybe there's no difference. This is his punishment on his own people for not getting his ego stroked fast and hard enough. He was hoping to come.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-12 12:39 PM | Reply

Nah, he's planning to snatch up some real estate on the cheap for a new Trump Resort. Their misery contributes to his future profits.

#13 | Posted by Daniel at 2017-10-12 12:45 PM | Reply

Trump Hates the Porta Ricans for their Freedumbzz

#14 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-12 12:55 PM | Reply

"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"

- Orwell

#15 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-12 12:57 PM | Reply

This threat to pull FEMA and the military out of a disaster-wrecked part of the country is a complete, unforgivable, incandescent outrage that should disqualify a president from continuing to hold the office.

That it won't shows how degraded our country has already become after nine months of Trump.

WAKE THE ---- UP TRUMPERS. QUIT SUPPORTING THIS AND DEMAND A CHANGE. HE IS DESTROYING THE NATION.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-12 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 11

[...] What did he say?

They can't stay there forever.

That is true. Never has FEMA stayed forever after a disaster. They'll stay as long as law and common sense allows.

And what is also true?

That Congress has power of the purse and they must decide on the financial relief for Puerto Rico.

What is also true is that Puerto Rico is not a State. It is a territory with it's own government. There are some restrictions that are in place because of that structure. Puerto Rico may be ripe for Statehood now - or last the vote for it.

#17 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-10-12 01:20 PM | Reply

- That it won't shows how degraded our country has already become after nine months of Trump.

Trump is a one man desensitizing machine. He's Ayn Rand on orange steroids. Puerto Rico doesn't matter. Black lives don't matter. Poor sick people don't matter. Average Americans don't matter. His own staff and Cabinet don't matter.

All that matters is the self; as Rand said, the "other" (person) didn't matter to her Superman, which belief is where he got his strength.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-12 01:22 PM | Reply

Agree. Things are degrading very quickly. Disturbingly quickly.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-12 01:22 PM | Reply

Trump is an evil excuse for human being.

#20 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-12 01:23 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is having a nervous breakdown. You can just tell he's spinning out of control.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-10-12 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What did he say?
They can't stay there forever.
That is true. Never has FEMA stayed forever after a disaster.
#6 | POSTED BY PETROUS

You moron, why do you so willingly ignore the bit where trump said FEMA will be there as long as neeeded in Texas? Thanks for reminding me how willful ignorance elected this idiot.

#22 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-12 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

The governor of Puerto Rico just called Trump a "racist" on live television. Not the may of San Juan, the governor that Trump and the right has been praising.

It is on like Donkey Kong.

(PS) There were two threads already posted on the Backpage before Danni's. Would you please consolidate the replies into this one?)

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-12 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

trump is fascinating in a macabre sort of way..cult of personality..takes
mark david chapmans' reason/excuse and fashions it into a life plan

#24 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-12 01:25 PM | Reply

What did he say? They can't stay there forever.

Making excuses for what he said is depraved.

There's nothing normal or remotely defensible about a president threatening to pull FEMA out of a disaster area two weeks after the disaster struck.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-12 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

They can't stay there forever.

That is true. Never has FEMA stayed forever after a disaster. They'll stay as long as law and common sense allows.

And what is also true?

#17 | Posted by Petrous

What is also true - he didn't say that for texas or florida. Just for the place filled with brown people.

He's a racist, and anyone who supports him is either racist, stupid, or both.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#14

Especially when he had promised to stay in Texas as long as it took... or as long as they stayed red and not blue like PR.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-12 01:31 PM | Reply

His statement of threatening to pull out FEMA was a statement of fact.
They can't stay there forever. They will be pulled out.

There's no need to excuse what is going to be a fact. FEMA will leave.

#28 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-10-12 01:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump is stupidly blunt.

#29 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-10-12 01:33 PM | Reply

You have no brain, petrous...and no soul.

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-10-12 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re#6 - do you really think he was just being obvious and literal here? We all get that anything involving "forever" is impossible. Invoking "forever" is almost never done literally. When someone says "you can't stay here forever" it means they want you gone sooner rather than later.

And to the extent he is misunderstood it is his own fault for mainly communicating via a tool that was designed for idiots who need to know when celebrities go to the dentist or what they are feeding their dogs. Twitter is not supposed to be used to run America and you shouldn't have to be told that.

#31 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-12 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 | POSTED BY SULLY

I bet we're stuck with a basket of deplorable in this country forever.

#32 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-12 01:37 PM | Reply

This reminds me of an Onion headline:

"US Marines To Withdraw From Vietnamese Girl"

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-12 01:37 PM | Reply

He never said the same thing about Texas or Florida or the Virgin Islands. Why is that?

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 01:38 PM | Reply

WAKE THE ---- UP TRUMPERS. QUIT SUPPORTING THIS AND DEMAND A CHANGE. HE IS DESTROYING THE NATION.

#5 | POSTED BY RCADE

all caps from the boss...must signify something
more phone calls or is it finally time to take to the streets? I vote for the street 'cause trump
is a frontman for a regressive legislative coalition that's harming everyone. if it were just
trump we'd be hearing from the majority of republicans AND democrats

#35 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-12 01:39 PM | Reply

His statement of threatening to pull out FEMA was a statement of fact. They can't stay there forever. They will be pulled out.

FEMA is still helping people in Florida over a year after Hurricane Matthew.

FEMA was helping people in Louisiana three years after Katrina.

Your defense is ridiculous. Trump threatening to pull out of Puerto Rico after two weeks is not an acknowledgement that nothing in life is forever.

No president has ever said what he just did to Americans suffering a great disaster two weeks after it happened while there is still massive suffering. If you can't acknowledge that you're being strategically dense because you can't defend Trump on any rational grounds.

#36 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-12 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

None of you understand Trump on this one, so let me try to explain his thinking.

Global warming, which is being controlled by the Chinese as a secret weapon to help the Little Rocket Man, is a problem for Americans. Since Puwhereto Reekho isn't inhabited by Americans (Americans aren't that darkly shaded and they speak American, not... taco-talk) it's the only way to protect Americans is to make the oceans rise up in Puwhereto Reekho, thereby keeping the ocean from rising anywhere else.

You should all be thanking him and his bigly IQ.

#37 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-10-12 01:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

It wasn't Puerto Rico's FEMA to begin with.

~ Boaz

#38 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-10-12 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

FEMA can't stay in PR forever because the sun will eventually go red dwarf and engulf the Earth!

Sincerely

Petrous

#39 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-12 01:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Trump is stupidly blunt.

#29 | Posted by Petrous

And those who still support him or dont see his racism are bluntly stupid.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 01:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If they are honest, this is how most of his supporters would reply.

Benghazi!

#41 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-12 02:03 PM | Reply

U.S. officials have privately acknowledged that Puerto Rico is facing a massive food shortage amid an escalating humanitarian crisis, a new report claims. The news comes as the island continues to face staggering water and power shortages and growing anger among its citizens that the U.S. government has not done enough.

Officials working with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) say that only 200,000 meals per day are being provided by the government, according to the Guardian. That small allotment is meant to feed more than 2 million people, with many of the meals made in a "military ready-to-eat" style that can be challenging to digest over an extended period of time, the publication reported.

According to the disaster-relief nonprofit World Central Kitchen, the organization's agreement with FEMA expired on Tuesday, ending the mere 20,000 meals per day it had been supplying, which was outlined in its contract. It could be weeks before a new contract materializes, part of the federal rules FEMA insists it must follow. Some say that slowness is being exacerbated by a lack of preparedness, as much as by apathy.

"There is no urgency in the government response to this humanitarian crisis. They have all the officials and armed guards at headquarters, but they have no information about the island," World Central Kitchen founder José Andrés told the Guardian. "They don't even have a map they can share about who needs food. FEMA is over-paying and it is under-delivering."

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-12 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

His statement of threatening to pull out FEMA was a statement of fact. They can't stay there forever. They will be pulled out.

Yes, everyone knows FEMA won't be there one million years from now. Context. Trump is clearly saying he doesn't want FEMA there much longer, or else he wouldn't have written it at all.

#43 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2017-10-12 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional (English: Armed Forces of National Liberation, FALN) was a Puerto Rican clandestine paramilitary organization that, through direct action, advocated complete independence for Puerto Rico.

Funny, there is nothing more that most sensible Americans want than independance for Puerto Rico.

#44 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 02:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Apparently even Obama

Obama commutes FALN member Oscar López Rivera's prison sentence.
(Updated 7:24 PM ET, Wed January 18, 2017)

www.cnn.com

#45 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 02:21 PM | Reply

"His statement of threatening to pull out FEMA was a statement of fact"

Trump coulda just used a condom before he did that to Puerto Rico.

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-10-12 02:31 PM | Reply

Why the hell will Trump care of that island, he does not own any Golf Course or Trump Property. Why wasting his energy which he will not earn 1 cent also...Good Idea Trump, you spend more money in Florida, where all your money is in.,

#47 | Posted by material07310 at 2017-10-12 02:32 PM | Reply

Where is JeffJ to tell us FEMA is doing such a bang up job? He read it on their website himself!

#48 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-12 02:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If Trump were honest he would say the following... I don't oppose helping Puerto Rico because of all the money that island cost us. I oppose helping Puerto Rico because most of the people there are brown. And brown people don't love me the way people Texas and Mississippi love me.

#49 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-12 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

righteous indignation...factional humour...statistical quotes...i'm rubber and you're glue..

is this all we have? any suggestions besides furiously typing. real change or just conversation?

#50 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-12 02:55 PM | Reply

An entire thread full of people who have never even thought about Puerto Rico even once in their lives, suddenly concerned, because Trump.

Where have you guys been back when they were getting scammed by Wall Street during Obama's reign?

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

An entire thread full of people who have never even thought about Puerto Rico even once in their lives, suddenly concerned, because Trump.

Where have you guys been back when they were getting scammed by Wall Street during Obama's reign?

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Getting scammed by wall street is a different level of problem from not having electricity, water, or food.

That was business as usual. This is a humanitarian disaster.

Bernie lost. Boo hoo. I wanted him to win too.

But I didn't lose my brain and start defending trump simply because he hated hillary too.

Bernie would be disgusted by your constant trump defending/deflecting.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where have you guys been back when they were getting scammed by Wall Street during Obama's reign?

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Where were you? We were there when Obama tried to help them. But, he did not start that dumpster fire. Check your history book or google for details.

Making excuses for what he said is depraved.

This is why they are called Deplorable.

Because they say deplorable things.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 03:13 PM | Reply

#52 The Trump Delirium Fever has reached epidemic proportions. You people have lost your minds over this election.

Because of that, Dem's will lose the next 2 election cycles. maybe more.

#54 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#53 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

The outrage is faux because Trump. Otherwise, you could point me to the DR's Go-Fund-Me page for Haiti and Dominican Republic.

#55 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:16 PM | Reply

I'm more concerned about Americans losing their lives in PR than losing an election. How high does the death toll have to hit before republicans notice Trump doesn't care?

#56 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-12 03:18 PM | Reply

Dear President Trump,

Aren't you forgetting to start WWIII first??? Your polls suggest you need this. Trump before country. As for colonies, those people don't count, being lazy and all. Trump needs to admonish Pence immediately for promising not to abandon Puerto Rico. The nerve of that guy. Lets get our priorities straight here.

#57 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-12 03:22 PM | Reply

#52 The Trump Delirium Fever has reached epidemic proportions. You people have lost your minds over this election.
Because of that, Dem's will lose the next 2 election cycles. maybe more.

#54 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

How's PeeTUS' approval rating?

#58 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-12 03:23 PM | Reply

- I'm more concerned about Americans losing their lives

How about non-Americans? not in Puerto Rico - dying in Haiti, Dominican Republic, all over Africa, etc?

What about human beings suffering all over the planet because of American exceptionalism and trade routes?

Any concern for them?? Or are we limiting our outrage to Trump and Trump alone?

#59 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:23 PM | Reply

Where have you guys been back when they were getting scammed by Wall Street during Obama's reign?

#51 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Are you really comparing people dying of starvation, dehydration and disease to PR having bond issues?

#60 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-12 03:25 PM | Reply

How's PeeTUS' approval rating?
#58 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

It will be 1% when he wins in 2020. What will that matter considering Dem's entire plan is to scream into the microphone.

#61 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:25 PM | Reply

Otherwise, you could point me to the DR's Go-Fund-Me page for Haiti and Dominican Republic.

#55 | Posted by SheepleSchism

What a load of MALARKY. Why are you so desperate to depend that effing moron and his effing moronic statements? No one even knew Go-fund-me existed in 2010.

There is this little tidbit about Haiti that might help highlight the difference in Trump's ability to respond to a disaster and Obama's.

After an earthquake shattered Haiti's capital on Jan. 12, 2010, the U.S. military mobilized as if it were going to war.

Before dawn the next morning, an Army unit was airborne, on its way to seize control of the main airport in Port-au-Prince. Within two days, the Pentagon had 8,000 American troops en route. Within two weeks, 33 U.S. military ships and 22,000 troops had arrived. More than 300 military helicopters buzzed overhead, delivering millions of pounds of food and water.

www.washingtonpost.com

#62 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 03:26 PM | Reply

It has been 3 weeks since Maria hit PR and there are still US citizens without food and water. This shouldn't be partisan, it's a humanitarian tragedy. Hospitals have no little if any power, people are dying from waterborne disease that is easily treatable with drugs because people are drinking whatever water they can find because relief efforts haven't reached them yet. We have a huge military and countless helicopters and support vessels. The extent of PR's needs was known before the storm hit and here we are 3 weeks later as people continue simply trying to survive while people play politics with their lives.

If it's only Democrats that see something horribly wrong with the insufficiency of the federal government's response to a battered island, then what does that say about the Republicans who continue to claim that everything is going swimmingly and that the Puerto Ricans need to do more for themselves beyond their daily struggle to survive without food, water and electricity?

#63 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-12 03:27 PM | Reply

Are you really comparing people dying of starvation, dehydration and disease to PR having bond issues?
#60 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

No, I'm saying that people have been dying of starvation, dehydration and disease prior to the hurricane and that it's only an issue now because Trump says "FEMA can't stay forever".

Let me know when you're concerned about Haiti and what's happening there.

#64 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:27 PM | Reply

RE #62

depend = defend

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 03:30 PM | Reply

Let me know when you're concerned about Haiti and what's happening there.

#64 | Posted by SheepleSchism

No problem. You let us know when Haiti becomes an American Territory like Puerto Rico, ok?

#66 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#64
Let me know when Haitians become American Citizens, and Haiti becomes a US Territory.

Your pretense to be a Bernie supporter is an affront to Senator Sanders and all he stands for.

#67 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-10-12 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What about human beings suffering all over the planet because of American exceptionalism and trade routes?

Any concern for them?? Or are we limiting our outrage to Trump and Trump alone?

#59 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Quit trying to deflect the discussion.

We are talking about Trump and Puerto Rico on this thread because this is a thread about Trump and the moronic things he is saying about Puerto Rico.

You us want to talk about those other things with you then start another thread dummy.

#68 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 03:38 PM | Reply

SS, you jackass, the people in Puerto Rico are Americans. The people in Haiti are Haitians. Hope that wasn't too much of a newsflash for you. Jackass.

#69 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-12 03:38 PM | Reply

You let us know when Haiti becomes an American Territory like Puerto Rico, ok?
#66 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Is that the prerequisite for caring about human beings who are suffering?

#70 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:38 PM | Reply

"#52 The Trump Delirium Fever has reached epidemic proportions." - #54 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:14 PM

Looks like SheepleSchism is as liberal as Nulli Quisling is supposed to be.

#71 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-12 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'Hell to pay' over water, food deliveries, Puerto Rico governor warns - www.reuters.com

Rossello said drinking water supplies have been restored to nearly 60 percent of the island but some areas in the north remained at around 20 percent nearly three weeks after Hurricane Maria hit the U.S. territory.

The government was delivering food and water supplies to municipalities but people in some areas said they were not receiving them from local authorities.

Rossello told a news briefing in San Juan he ordered an investigation of water distribution after receiving complaints.


Once again, Reuters clears up the hysteria created by CNN, MSNBC, et. al.

#72 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:40 PM | Reply

Everything that's been reported about deaths in Puerto Rico is at odds with the official count

We took a look at the numbers, and they didn't add up.

www.vox.com

Members of Congress want a federal audit of the official Puerto Rico death toll

"The American people deserve to know what's happening to their fellow US citizens in Puerto Rico."

www.vox.com

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 03:44 PM | Reply

White House committed to helping Puerto Rico recover from hurricane - www.reuters.com

"Reuters is coddling the nazi!!"

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:45 PM | Reply

#52 The Trump Delirium Fever has reached epidemic proportions. You people have lost your minds over this election.

Because of that, Dem's will lose the next 2 election cycles. maybe more.

#54 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Is that the delirium where your hatred of hillary makes you pathetically blind to the fact that trump is the worst president in history?

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Looks like SheepleSchism is as liberal as Nulli Quisling is supposed to be.
#71 | POSTED BY HANS

I care about all people, even those who aren't draped in an American flag.

Your Outrage Du Jor is all Trump flavored. It's not triggered by human suffering. - unless Trump can be blamed.

#76 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:49 PM | Reply

Is that the prerequisite for caring about human beings who are suffering?

#70 | Posted by SheepleSchism

What does that have to do with anything?

You think Trump or his Trumpsters care about human beings who are suffering?

Once again, Reuters clears up the hysteria created by CNN, MSNBC, et. al.

#72 | Posted by SheepleSchism

CNN and MSNBC are reporting the same thing.

Except they noted that the 20% in the north have still not yet received ANY water. So if it is ok with you that 20% of the country dies of dehydration or disease then I guess that is good news.

There is no "hysteria" here other than your hysterical attempts at defending a moron.

#77 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump has set out to destroy America and inflict as much pain and suffering on our citizens as he can.

Pretty much what one would expect from a Russian Asset.

#78 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-10-12 03:52 PM | Reply

It's not triggered by human suffering. - unless Trump can be blamed.

#76 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Trump is supposedly in charge. Trump is the one saying these moronic things.

Who do you suggest we blame? "Crooked Hillary"?

#79 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 03:53 PM | Reply

-makes you pathetically blind to the fact that trump is the worst president in history?
#75 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I can see that quite clearly. What YOU can't see, is the real enemy - partisan political jingoism and herd mentality.

Good luck winning hearts and minds. The DNC sure doesn't give a rats ass.

#80 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:53 PM | Reply

"Reuters is coddling the nazi!!"

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Reuters is coddling Nulli?

#81 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 03:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Good luck winning hearts and minds."

Back atcha.

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 03:56 PM | Reply

Here are the ongoing efforts of US veterans working independently in Puerto Rico, reaching people who've seen no help from FEMA or any other aspect of the relief efforts. They update their progress daily and are well worth viewing if one wants a small slice of reality from Puerto Rico unfiltered by any media concerns whatsoever.

Jason Maddy and his crew of veterans in PR

#83 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-12 03:56 PM | Reply

20% in the north have still not yet received ANY water.
#77 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

And if you read the article, you'd have learned that it's a local distribution problem, not the failure of FEMA or Trump.

#84 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:56 PM | Reply

#83 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

How does it go? Your anecdotal experience is yadda-yadda-yadda?

#85 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:57 PM | Reply

And if you read the article, you'd have learned that it's a local distribution problem, not the failure of FEMA or Trump.

#84 | Posted by SheepleSchism

That did not stop Obama from getting relief to the Haitians

And there is a distribution problem probably because those remote sites cannot be accessed.

Are all the helicopters broke?

#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 04:02 PM | Reply

And if you read the article, you'd have learned that it's a local distribution problem, not the failure of FEMA or Trump.

#84 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2017-10-12 03:56 PM |

So who was supposed to locally ditribute it, where are they, how do you communicate with them, How are they supposed to get from where they are to where the supplies are, etc etc etc

The local distribution in Houston came from Dallas and San Antonio where the phones were working and the roads were open. There is no such place in PR

#87 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-12 04:04 PM | Reply

- I'm more concerned about Americans losing their lives
How about non-Americans? not in Puerto Rico - dying in Haiti, Dominican Republic, all over Africa, etc?
What about human beings suffering all over the planet because of American exceptionalism and trade routes?
Any concern for them?? Or are we limiting our outrage to Trump and Trump alone?

#59 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2017-10-12 03:23 PM | REPLY

This hurricane did not affect any of them. This thread is about the hurricane. Focus.

#88 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-12 04:06 PM | Reply

And if you read the article, you'd have learned that it's a local distribution problem,

Because roads have been destroyed and bridges washed-out from the hurricane, and you expect locals to rebuild them by themselves? With what heavy equipment and supplies? Got asphalt? Earthmovers? Steel?

media.wired.com
c.o0bg.com
c.o0bg.com

You need to stop being such a moron. The head of the military response said the island looks like it was hit by an atom bomb. No island can rebuild itself from such devastation without the immense support of others and resources that must be imported because they obviously weren't on the island when it was hit by the hurricane.

Your points are lunacy, but that's nothing new for our expectations of you are about the same as those we hold for the President.

Even you can figure out how miniscule that is....

#89 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-12 04:08 PM | Reply

Only Trump and Trump sycophants think everything has been done perfectly. That's because some people are actually concerned with doing a good job and helping people instead of merely being concerned with claiming to be doing a good job and patting themselves on the back:

Robinson* said last week that she thinks "there will be some lessons we can learn" about the Puerto Rico relief effort, noting that there was a lack of clarity, at first, about what was needed.

"You have to understand," she said, "what is happening on the ground so you don't add to the burden, but to make sure you put the right capability and capacity."

Air Force Gen. Lori Robinson, the chief of U.S. Northern Command

www.washingtonpost.com

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 04:09 PM | Reply

"And if you read the article, you'd have learned that it's a local distribution problem,"

Also a problem because of a lack of fuel:

The general* described the military's relationships on the ground in Puerto Rico as "great," but added that it's "different than the relationship we had in Texas and it's different than the relationship we had in Florida." The military is responding to requests as they come, but as Trump visited Tuesday, the general said he did make a specific pitch to senior administration officials.

"If I could do one thing to make a big difference here, I would flood this place with fuel, both gasoline and diesel," Buchanan said. "Because right now, people don't have gas, and it's hard to get back to work if you can't drive to work. ... We've got a lot coming in, and we're just going to keep pushing hard on it."

*Army Lt. Gen. Jeffrey S. Buchanan

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 04:13 PM | Reply

Well, doesn't this just blow up the media's narrative? Metro a media outlet on the island just dropped a bombshell.

That the U.S. Attorney in San Juan just opened an investigation local mayors around Puerto Rico who have reportedly been withholding supplies from residents.

But not all residents. According to the shocking report, "constituents who had voted for them" are getting all the aid they need.

ussanews.com

#92 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 04:16 PM | Reply

And if you read the article, you'd have learned that it's a local distribution problem, not the failure of FEMA or Trump.

#84 | Posted by SheepleSchism

It's been THREE WEEKS. How long will they sit around and wait to solve their "local distribution problem" while people are dying? How long could YOU last without food and water?

You send in rescue helicopters with relief supplies IMMEDIATELY. Then you figure out your "local distribution problems". You do NOT wait three weeks for the local government (that was also completely devastated) to figure out what to do. It's been THREE WEEKS.

Thirsty dehydrated people cannot drink your deplorably weak excuses.

#93 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 04:16 PM | Reply

And if you read the article, you'd have learned that it's a local distribution problem, not the failure of FEMA or Trump.

This excuse is not acceptable. We expect the federal government to deliver the relief that is needed when local authorities cannot. That's the whole point of FEMA. It does what is necessary when the expense or the need is so great that a state cannot do it sufficiently.

Every other disaster-torn part of the U.S. got help, not excuses. Trump is blowing it.

#94 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-12 04:24 PM | Reply

How long could YOU last without food and water?

#93 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Average is about 3 days without water, around 3 weeks to a month without food.

#95 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 04:24 PM | Reply

#92 Yes, I heard a report on that yesterday on NPR:

How Aid Is Being Delivered To Those In Need In Puerto Rico

In some areas of Puerto Rico, the situation has become desperate. The U.S. military has moved to take charge of getting the aid directly to people in need, even if it means bypassing local authorities that have a history of inefficiency and mismanagement.

www.npr.org

The US military is now taking charge to make sure aid gets to the people:

GJELTEN: Reyes and other U.S. officials here say most Puerto Rican mayors are doing what they can to serve their people. But one reason for deploying U.S. soldiers in each municipality is that some local officials are not all that trustworthy.

REYES: Well, we have some people that are not cooperating. But we will make sure we get the commodities to the people that are actually in need.

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 04:28 PM | Reply

The head of the military response said the island looks like it was hit by an atom bomb. No island can rebuild itself from such devastation without the immense support of others and resources that must be imported because they obviously weren't on the island when it was hit by the hurricane.

Your points are lunacy #89 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

How soon should a nation hit by "an atom bomb" - as you quoted- have electricity, cell phone coverage, streets, water, food, shelter, and infrastructure?

Stop being a moron. It's going to take years, not days or weeks. The 'local distribution' problem I cited from the Reuters article implies there are black market operators or outright thieves stealing supplies in the remote areas. That's not a FEMA caused issue, nor is it a Trump failure.

In addition to that, there's this article from WaPo - www.washingtonpost.com - Notice the headline, "How the island's troubled finances, weak electrical infrastructure and a Category 4 hurricane plunged 3.4 million people into an ongoing power blackout."

Maybe you should read that article and get back to us on what's happening there, that predated the hurricane.

#97 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 04:30 PM | Reply

"Well, doesn't this just blow up the media's narrative? "

I don't think it does. Critics have been saying that a general should have been put in charge and more troops brought in sooner. Now that that is happening, conditions on the island are slowly starting to improve. Instead of discounting the mayor of SJ, maybe Trump should have been questioning the governor of PR, who is the one to oversee all the mayors. Instead Trump praised the governor because the governor praised him.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 04:34 PM | Reply

Thirsty dehydrated people cannot drink your deplorably weak excuses.
#93 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Every other disaster-torn part of the U.S. got help, not excuses. Trump is blowing it.
#94 | POSTED BY RCADE

Gal Tuesday to the rescue!

The US military is now taking charge to make sure aid gets to the people:
GJELTEN: Reyes and other U.S. officials here say most Puerto Rican mayors are doing what they can to serve their people. But one reason for deploying U.S. soldiers in each municipality is that some local officials are not all that trustworthy.
REYES: Well, we have some people that are not cooperating. But we will make sure we get the commodities to the people that are actually in need.

#96 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

You see guys? While you were busy gutting Trump, Gal found pertinent info. Hopefully this will help calm some of the hysteria.

But I doubt it. Trump fever is contagious, and there's no known cure.

#99 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 04:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trumplesheepskin has laid on an extra layer of Cheeto Chapstick today it would seem.

#100 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-10-12 04:37 PM | Reply

Instead Trump praised the governor because the governor praised him.

#98 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Trump likes praise like Shagga likes axes.

www.youtube.com

#101 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 04:38 PM | Reply

"the Reuters article implies there are black market operators or outright thieves stealing supplies in the remote areas."

There are looters and thieves in every disaster.

Thieves cannot steal supplies from military helicopters. That is why you send in the military and give the initial aid directly to the people in need.

It's been three weeks.

Enough with your weak tea "local distribution problem" excuses.

#102 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 04:39 PM | Reply

there's no known cure.

#99 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Yes, there is.

#103 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 04:40 PM | Reply

This threat to pull FEMA and the military out of a disaster-wrecked part of the country is a complete, unforgivable, incandescent outrage that should disqualify a president from continuing to hold the office.
That it won't shows how degraded our country has already become after nine months of Trump.
WAKE THE ---- UP TRUMPERS. QUIT SUPPORTING THIS AND DEMAND A CHANGE. HE IS DESTROYING THE NATION.
#16 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-12 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

I blame the entire Republican establishment for this obscene monstrosity of an administrations behavior toward the poorest and most needy, particularly during crisis. They STILL are attempting to stuff "tax cuts" like the estate tax for the wealthiest while simultaneously removing all other facets of social protections to the poorest. They never intend on health care for all citizens or even citizenry for all denizens. The island, like many are nearly entirely low-income other than the GMO crop-owners from the mainland. I'm certain they are insured and will be paid FIRST because Monsonto needs it's blood money.

Just like Dumbya we are subject to police militarization mismanaged, NAZI's mismanaged, hurricanes mismanaged, now the EPA is being utterly dismantled in lieu of cheaper energy.. which happens to be supplied by Republican establishment enablers, if not their outright owners.

Hillary could have made more of an effort because she would only be dodging the Republican establishment issues and not multiple investigations into possible acts of treason, so that may play a part in drawing attention in the offensive directions Trump continually relies upon.

Maybe Republicans should be made illegal before they are openly hunted on the streets? Can you imagine the months of YouTube banning as starving masses raze assets of major Republican enablers? It might make a great movie if it weren't actually becoming our future.

#104 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2017-10-12 04:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Gal Tuesday to the rescue!

The US military is now taking charge to make sure aid gets to the people:
GJELTEN: Reyes and other U.S. officials here say most Puerto Rican mayors are doing what they can to serve their people. But one reason for deploying U.S. soldiers in each municipality is that some local officials are not all that trustworthy.
REYES: Well, we have some people that are not cooperating. But we will make sure we get the commodities to the people that are actually in need.

THREE WEEKS LATER.

After an earthquake shattered Haiti's capital on Jan. 12, 2010, the U.S. military mobilized as if it were going to war.

Before dawn the next morning, an Army unit was airborne, on its way to seize control of the main airport in Port-au-Prince. Within two days, the Pentagon had 8,000 American troops en route. Within two weeks, 33 U.S. military ships and 22,000 troops had arrived. More than 300 military helicopters buzzed overhead, delivering millions of pounds of food and water.

www.washingtonpost.com

#105 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 04:43 PM | Reply

"That's not a FEMA caused issue, nor is it a Trump failure."

It is FEMA and Trump's failure for not recognizing what the problem was sooner and taking steps to correct it. Instead FEMA officials, Trump and the governor held a "pat themselves on the back" photo op to reassure everyone that everything was "fantastic" and going according to plan.

#106 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 04:44 PM | Reply

"After an earthquake shattered Haiti's capital on Jan. 12, 2010, the U.S. military mobilized as if it were going to war."

Just what General Honore said, weeks ago, that the Trump administration and FEMA should have done.

#107 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"After an earthquake shattered Haiti's capital on Jan. 12, 2010, the U.S. military mobilized as if it were going to war."
Just what General Honore said, weeks ago, that the Trump administration and FEMA should have done.

#107 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Were there two other earthquakes that struck the United States right before that one?

Puerto Rico was the third Hurricane.

#108 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 04:53 PM | Reply

Yes, there is.
#103 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

No, Donner, there's not. 90% of this thread is Trump Delirium Fever brought on by a tweet. Just like every other thread.

No amount of accurate reporting can cure that. The problem is, you call Trump a liar, then believe every tweet like it's gold.

#109 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem is, you call Trump a liar, then believe every tweet like it's gold.

#109 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 04:55

He's the president. He shouldn't open his mouth except to help his countrymen. He's a liar because he's insane.

#110 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-12 05:00 PM | Reply

Some people are such morons. People are literally starving and with out water - this isn't about the electrical grid but PURE humanitarian aid period. PR waa hit by 2 - count them 2 major Hurricanes. It just so happens Maria was a direct and devastating blow.

The problem is FEMA is not delivering aid. Just look around the internet for the evidence. It's everywhere - new posts and stories even today WEEKS after aid should have been pooring in. It's so bad organizations that help 3rd world countries are moving in. So far it's private citizen volunteers doing it. FEMA AND the Military are simply a debacle in PR on a scale even more grand than Bush's New Orlean's Katrina disaster.

#111 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-10-12 05:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

90% of this thread is Trump Delirium Fever brought on by a tweet.
#109 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Pardon us for being pissed that Trump is pissing on people starving and getting sick in PR because he's a narcissistic -------.

#112 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-12 05:03 PM | Reply

Yes, there is.
#103 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

No, Donner, there's not. 90% of this thread is Trump Delirium Fever brought on by a tweet. Just like every other thread.

No amount of accurate reporting can cure that. The problem is, you call Trump a liar, then believe every tweet like it's gold.

#109 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I believe you have misdiagnosed me Dr Schism.

I don't believe one damn thing that moron says no matter how he says it.

There are two cures I can name off the top of my head.

Best Cure #1 Impeach Trump and thereby save America and the world.

Cure #2 Hold Trump accountable for EVERYTHING he says and does. (since Cure #1 is not available until after the investigations are done)

And that is what we are doing here. Holding Trump accountable.

Sorry if that hurts your widdle feelings.

#113 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sheepleschism, I usually see a point in your devil's advocate positions. But I'm having trouble seeing it this time. Let's say all your objections and counterpoints in this thread are true--and hold that thought for a moment.

1. What do any of those objections/counterpoints have to do with Trump actively being an ------- and threatening Puerto Rico?

2. Why are you shifting blame off of Trump when he was the one who started this latest twitter meme in the first place?

"Electric and all infrastructure was disaster before hurricanes," Trump wrote on Twitter in a series of posts. "Congress to decide how much to spend. We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!"

#114 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-10-12 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, Donner, there's not. 90% of this thread is Trump Delirium Fever brought on by a tweet. Just like every other thread.
No amount of accurate reporting can cure that. The problem is, you call Trump a liar, then believe every tweet like it's gold.

#109 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2017-10-12 04:55 PM | REPLY

The White house has already stated that Trump's tweets are "official statements

www.cnn.com

140 characters from him can change official policy

#115 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-12 05:10 PM | Reply

"Pardon us for being pissed that Trump is pissing on people starving and getting sick in PR because he's a narcissistic -------."

stop it. nobody is pissed.

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-12 05:16 PM | Reply

Again Sheepleschite, your pretense of being a Bernie supporter is ---------. You are an affront to everything Senator stands for.
With every post you demonstrate nothing but false cover and deflection for Trump.

#117 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-10-12 05:18 PM | Reply

"140 characters from him can change official policy"

or not. doesn't mean it will

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-12 05:19 PM | Reply

Just to add a little fuel to the fire:

today's aid $35 Billion aid package sent $30 Billion in direct aid to Houston, Florida, and CA while merely LOANING PR $4.9 Billion to add to their debt

#119 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-12 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What do any of those objections/counterpoints have to do with Trump actively being an ------- and threatening Puerto Rico?"

That's why I've pretty much stayed off this thread. I can argue that his tweet is being over interpreted, it's not a real threat, etc...

but it doesn't change the fact he is an ------- for saying it. I don't believe the resources of FEMA in PR are being threatened.

I believe Trump is an -------.

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-12 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

stop it. nobody is pissed.

#116 | Posted by eberly

speak for yourself.

www.youtube.com

#121 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 05:36 PM | Reply

Are you really comparing people dying of starvation, dehydration and disease to PR having bond issues?
#60 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
No, I'm saying that people have been dying of starvation, dehydration and disease prior to the hurricane and that it's only an issue now because Trump says "FEMA can't stay forever".
Let me know when you're concerned about Haiti and what's happening there.
#64 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

...Did you forget the people of PR are US CITIZENS?!

#122 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-12 05:40 PM | Reply

Funny how every time the death toll in California rises by one it is a national headline but when the death toll in PR rises (45 now and the plague hasn't hit yet) it doesn't even make the front page

#123 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-12 05:45 PM | Reply

SheepJism,

Wall Street's collapse of the global economy began on Bush's watch. Republican operators from Wall Street, running our Treasury Department and Federal Reserve, have been in charge continuously through Clinton, Bush, Obama and now Trump. They pushed the decision to bail themselves out and dodge jail for their crimes and all four of these Presidential chumps, beholding to Wall Street, bought it.

FEMA persistently claims it is unable to reach destitute Puerto Rican towns that Rachell Maddows camera crew reached quickly and easily. The roads in question were clear. FEMA is lying, making excuses for being inept. They are in the business of shuffling paper.

#124 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-12 05:52 PM | Reply

"Your Outrage Du Jor [sic] is all Trump flavored." - #76 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:49 PM

These days they all are, for reason.

Why aren't yours, faux liberal?

#125 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-12 05:59 PM | Reply

1. What do any of those objections/counterpoints have to do with Trump actively being an ------- and threatening Puerto Rico?
2. Why are you shifting blame off of Trump when he was the one who started this latest twitter meme in the first place?

#114 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

1) Nothing at all. Trump is a moron. PR would be devastated no matter who was in office, and the recovery would be slow, painful, and sporadic - made even more difficult by the conditions that existed prior to the hurricane.

2) I'm shifting no blame from Trump for making erratic tweets - he's a moron - erratic tweets are now expected. They have absolutely nothing to do with actual help on the ground.

"Sheepleschism, I usually see a point in your devil's advocate positions."

Good call. And I see the points in anti-Trump threads - actually I agree with most. The issue I have is the wild-eyed hysteria that runs rampant with every tweet and CNN article. People are acting just as crazy as Trump, but somehow are unable to see that.

It's funny how the simple act of trying to call out BS makes me a racist, misogynist, nazi, Trump lover. haha.

#126 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why aren't yours, faux liberal?
#125 | POSTED BY HANS

You see Madscientist? haha. I'm a faux liberal because I refuse to participate in mass hysteria.

lol. This is why Democrats will continue to lose elections. It's #sad, really.

Our country could be so much better. but, hysteria. haha

#127 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 06:24 PM | Reply

#125 | POSTED BY HANS

Here's a plan, Hans. Come up with and forward candidates promoting platforms and policies that Americans want.

It'll be a landslide. Should you choose to continue the path of name calling, labeling, racist division, identity politics, and nazi hunting?

It'll be 2024 before you get rid of Trump. I'm betting that mass hysteria continues.

#128 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I'm a faux liberal because I refuse to participate in mass hysteria." -= #127 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 06:24 PM

You do nothing here but support and defend Trump.

That's why you're a faux liberal.

#129 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-12 06:35 PM | Reply

"It'll be 2024 before you get rid of Trump." - #128 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 06:28 PM

You're satisfied with Trump. Otherwise it would be "It'll be 2024 before we get rid of Trump."

That's why you're a faux liberal.

#130 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-12 06:37 PM | Reply

"...makes me a racist, misogynist, nazi, Trump lover." - #126 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 06:22 PM

Stop acting that way, faux liberal.

haha.

#131 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-12 06:39 PM | Reply

Sheeple is a faux liberal now? I've always seen him as a common sense liberal, which are very rare indeed on this site. And I probably disagree with him half the time. There are many that claim to be liberals but are nothing more than radical leftist that are no better than radical right wingers, just in the opposite extreme.

#132 | Posted by Daniel at 2017-10-12 06:51 PM | Reply

"I've always seen him as a common sense liberal..." - #132 | Posted by Daniel at 2017-10-12 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Now Comes the Part Where We Throw Our Heads Back and Laugh!

Just like with Nulli Quisling: It is only the rightwingers who claim people like that are liberals.

#133 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-12 06:53 PM | Reply

--faux liberal

Synonym for "progressive"

#134 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-12 07:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Liberal Party campaign slogan in the next election will be, "We can do better."

HANS motto: "As Long as There Is Death, There Is Hope"

#135 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 07:40 PM | Reply

"HANS motto..." - #135 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 07:40 PM

You have that motto in quotes, as if I actually said that.

Care to provide a citation?

Or did you just make it up, like your president makes stuff up?

#136 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-12 07:48 PM | Reply

Have trouble recognizing sarcasm?

#137 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Synonym for "progressive"
#134 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

A Purity Pony Progressive. If you don't subscribe to their brand of hysteria, you're a nazi coddler.

#138 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's funny, because you say that. But it's empirically not true. The Nazi coddlers are the idiots who defend Trump like you and Nulli. You tell us it's OK that he calls them very fine people. That makes you a Nazi sympathizer whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

#139 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-12 10:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#139 I want liberal politicians with liberal policies that work for everybody. As opposed to BS'ing the rubes while backdooring Wall Street and Global Militarism.

But now, you guys are doubling down on the strategy that cost the Presidency once already. This whole thing is a bad move. really bad.

#140 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 11:32 PM | Reply

"#139 I want liberal politicians with liberal policies that work for everybody."

Oh, you want Hillary.

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-12 11:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is classic abuser manipulation:

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

The wonderful people of Puerto Rico, with their unmatched spirit, know how bad things were before the H's. I will always be with them!
5:01 AM - 13 Oct 2017

"I swear, honey, I'll never -------------------------------- you again. Believe me!"

#142 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-13 10:49 AM | Reply

Hillary is as liberal as Goldman Sachs

#143 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-13 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The right wing in America has gone so far right that they think a corporatist like Hillary is a liberal.

#144 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-13 11:05 AM | Reply

"Hillary is as liberal as Goldman Sachs"

Difficult statement to parse, but I'm pretty sure GS offers exquisite health care, a retirement plan with company match, long and short term disability, maternity leave, and so on.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-13 12:30 PM | Reply

#139 I want liberal politicians with liberal policies that work for everybody. As opposed to BS'ing the rubes while backdooring Wall Street and Global Militarism.
But now, you guys are doubling down on the strategy that cost the Presidency once already. This whole thing is a bad move. really bad.

#140 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Actually, if you bothered to read any of the analytics about who voted and for who, you'd know the issue was one of excitement on the Dem side. Because we didn't nominate a Purity Pony, we instead nominated a troubled politician who had been hammered in the media, many Dems stayed home. And what certainly didn't help was that many Dems thought staying home was fine because Hillary was sure to win.

You need to learn to read before posting such drivel on here.

#146 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-13 04:50 PM | Reply

Purity Pony
#146 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

LoL, sure, okay Corky.

Go ahead and run another Centrist Wall Street military globalist.

You folks will never learn.

#147 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-13 05:19 PM | Reply

The Liberal Party campaign slogan in the next election will be, "We can do better."
HANS motto: "As Long as There Is Death, There Is Hope"
#135 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-12 07:40 PM

I dunno, that seems too simple to be reliably a liberal concept. But don't worry - as forecast by some of the braintrust you should prepare for an inevitable Republican round-up and BBQ. I think "Ride 'em, Rope 'em, Rep-BQ!" or perhaps "Skewer fat ones to cap the ends" or maybe "Meet Your God Right Now". If you want death/hope slogans from the Democrat morons that transformed "I'm with stupid" into "I'm with Her", then we both might actually be on the right track, sorry.

As for Puerto Rico - the bag'o'snakes arrives today. I'm almost curious how it will foist it's voucher system upon them.

But people are right - PR doesn't process oil, but they did a large percentage of pharmaceutical manufacturing which appears to increase in value during holocaust events, like banking and military contractors. I wonder what sectors are not wise to rebuild in this mess?

Where are the Musk home power units?!

#148 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2017-10-13 09:20 PM | Reply

Turning his back on responsibilities is his main MO. Marriage, businesses, contracts, treaties, The man has never kept a promise on purpose in his life.

#149 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-13 09:26 PM | Reply

#139 I want liberal politicians with liberal policies that work for everybody. As opposed to BS'ing the rubes while backdooring Wall Street and Global Militarism.
But now, you guys are doubling down on the strategy that cost the Presidency once already. This whole thing is a bad move. really bad.
#140 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM
Actually, if you bothered to read any of the analytics about who voted and for who, you'd know the issue was one of excitement on the Dem side. Because we didn't nominate a Purity Pony, we instead nominated a troubled politician who had been hammered in the media, many Dems stayed home. And what certainly didn't help was that many Dems thought staying home was fine because Hillary was sure to win.
You need to learn to read before posting such drivel on here.
#146 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-13 04:50 PM

Oh, I thought it was the electoral vote that mattered anyway? Since votes were essentially thrown away by that party I really don't understand any confusion on your behalf.

Also, the fact is Hillary isn't progressive enough to be recognized as anything even close to effective against a bombastic Trump. That remains true to this moment, dude. Even with his snorting into the microphone, creeping around the debate platform and outright defying "fact-based" media while she had plenty of chances to outright shame him - she "kept decorum" and failed to appear presidential enough to transform anything other than her script writer. What a joke. Trump will continue to consume this nation because the gatekeepers are continually behind the curve.

#150 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2017-10-13 09:28 PM | Reply

Turning his back on responsibilities is his main MO. Marriage, businesses, contracts, treaties, The man has never kept a promise on purpose in his life.
#149 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-13 09:26 PM

He seems to be able to keep his mouth shut about the alleged Russian investments thus far? It's requiring some manner of investigations to disclose anything useful, I hear. Don't be blinded by his appearance - he will merely confirm what you already feel. He didn't raise those kids, btw. This was his what, seventh start/stop running as POTUS? He's been empire building in the hopes of achieving what appears to have been set in his lap deliberately.

#151 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2017-10-13 09:34 PM | Reply

"Go ahead and run another Centrist Wall Street military globalist."

Hasn't every Democrat President since FDR been one of those?

And hasn't every Republicans President been one too?

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-13 11:05 PM | Reply

Only 6000 out of millions, I can see where the discuss comes from like nothing is being done.

#153 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-10-14 10:00 AM | Reply

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